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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Passion Art on Feb 22, 2012 3:00:34 GMT 1, Agreed!! I'd love to see this.
Agreed!! I'd love to see this.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by achtungbono on Feb 22, 2012 11:14:57 GMT 1, bah
too many responses overnight - what I will do it copy and load it up here and you can print it off or whatever
cheers
bah
too many responses overnight - what I will do it copy and load it up here and you can print it off or whatever
cheers
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by eschiff on Feb 22, 2012 11:29:36 GMT 1, wicked, thanks! When i bought an older banksy a few months back the seller had the original receipt...was disheartening to see as the buyer!
wicked, thanks! When i bought an older banksy a few months back the seller had the original receipt...was disheartening to see as the buyer!
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 11:44:25 GMT 1, which version do you have - as there were several - one from when the show opened, another half way through, and then the final version towards the end. The price list was amended as more and more works were added later - partly due to works being caught up at customs in Israel and also works were created on the spot at the ghetto
which version do you have - as there were several - one from when the show opened, another half way through, and then the final version towards the end. The price list was amended as more and more works were added later - partly due to works being caught up at customs in Israel and also works were created on the spot at the ghetto
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by achtungbono on Feb 22, 2012 12:05:22 GMT 1, opening I suppose
opening I suppose
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 12:32:29 GMT 1, it was a great trip nevertheless
it was a great trip nevertheless
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by sal on Feb 22, 2012 13:34:39 GMT 1, the idea to set this up in Bethlehem so people HAVE TO face the reality everyone loves having opinion about, is something I admire since I 1st heard of this...
the idea to set this up in Bethlehem so people HAVE TO face the reality everyone loves having opinion about, is something I admire since I 1st heard of this...
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Deleted on Feb 22, 2012 14:16:43 GMT 1, the idea to set this up in Bethlehem so people HAVE TO face the reality everyone loves having opinion about, is something I admire since I 1st heard of this...
Indeed! Next SG in Iran or Syria for those same reasons would be nice!
the idea to set this up in Bethlehem so people HAVE TO face the reality everyone loves having opinion about, is something I admire since I 1st heard of this... Indeed! Next SG in Iran or Syria for those same reasons would be nice!
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by maadbeats on Feb 22, 2012 15:24:56 GMT 1, the idea to set this up in Bethlehem so people HAVE TO face the reality everyone loves having opinion about, is something I admire since I 1st heard of this... Indeed! Next SG in Iran or Syria for those same reasons would be nice! no chance of any Americans making it to those two places. I would think the feelings would be mutual for the Brits.
the idea to set this up in Bethlehem so people HAVE TO face the reality everyone loves having opinion about, is something I admire since I 1st heard of this... Indeed! Next SG in Iran or Syria for those same reasons would be nice! no chance of any Americans making it to those two places. I would think the feelings would be mutual for the Brits.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by sal on Feb 22, 2012 15:48:22 GMT 1, the idea to set this up in Bethlehem so people HAVE TO face the reality everyone loves having opinion about, is something I admire since I 1st heard of this... Indeed! Next SG in Iran or Syria for those same reasons would be nice!
I see your point mate, but it's not the same situation there.. or even similar when you think of it... plus, as maadbeats said, those places are pretty much no access zones @ the moment...
sadly, there are other places in the world worth organizing similar events at (refugee camps, slums, working camps, landfills, amazon rain forest, etc)..
the idea to set this up in Bethlehem so people HAVE TO face the reality everyone loves having opinion about, is something I admire since I 1st heard of this... Indeed! Next SG in Iran or Syria for those same reasons would be nice! I see your point mate, but it's not the same situation there.. or even similar when you think of it... plus, as maadbeats said, those places are pretty much no access zones @ the moment... sadly, there are other places in the world worth organizing similar events at (refugee camps, slums, working camps, landfills, amazon rain forest, etc)..
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lover on Feb 23, 2012 16:07:30 GMT 1, I agree sal- Israel is a democratic country with an elected government surounded by neighbours that dont want her existence......
I agree sal- Israel is a democratic country with an elected government surounded by neighbours that dont want her existence......
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by rottenredrooster on Feb 23, 2012 17:45:46 GMT 1, I agree sal- Israel is a democratic country with an elected government surounded by neighbours that dont want her existence......
Just because Britain and the U.S. along with there colonial stooges support the occupation doesn't make it right.
It think it is fair to say that the Israeli government have inflicted far more terror on to it's neighbours than they have on to 'her' as you put it.
Here's an example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacre
I guess the continued airstrikes and murdering by Israel is of course okay as long as they are 'democratic' in terms of election (thats debatable by the way).
I agree sal- Israel is a democratic country with an elected government surounded by neighbours that dont want her existence...... Just because Britain and the U.S. along with there colonial stooges support the occupation doesn't make it right. It think it is fair to say that the Israeli government have inflicted far more terror on to it's neighbours than they have on to 'her' as you put it. Here's an example en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sabra_and_Shatila_massacreI guess the continued airstrikes and murdering by Israel is of course okay as long as they are 'democratic' in terms of election (thats debatable by the way).
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lover on Feb 24, 2012 0:14:24 GMT 1, i could give you many examples on both sides> people got to realise that its not a 1 sided cause and certainly not a 1 sided solution.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1978-bus-attack01.jpg
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by anodyne13 on Feb 24, 2012 0:24:59 GMT 1, I'll say this - - Governments with no clear separation of Church and State are generally sh*tty, and that is fundamently their own fault.
I'll say this - - Governments with no clear separation of Church and State are generally sh*tty, and that is fundamently their own fault.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by boatyyy on Feb 24, 2012 0:32:35 GMT 1, ^one can argue that most govts have no clear separation of church & state... one can look at the US currency (In God We Trust) as a fundamental example; just food for thought..
^one can argue that most govts have no clear separation of church & state... one can look at the US currency (In God We Trust) as a fundamental example; just food for thought..
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by rottenredrooster on Feb 24, 2012 1:19:32 GMT 1,
Would have a case if zones were never illegally occupied. Unfortunately the terror inflicted on to the Palestinian people by both the Israeli's and lack of support from their Arab counterparts had to result in violent action as there is no other alternative.
The highlighting of the plight in Palestine by Banksy et al, from what I can see was to not expose this crap of two sides to every story but was to accentuate the plight of the Palestinian people.
Would have a case if zones were never illegally occupied. Unfortunately the terror inflicted on to the Palestinian people by both the Israeli's and lack of support from their Arab counterparts had to result in violent action as there is no other alternative. The highlighting of the plight in Palestine by Banksy et al, from what I can see was to not expose this crap of two sides to every story but was to accentuate the plight of the Palestinian people.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Deleted on Feb 24, 2012 1:27:50 GMT 1, In regards to my previous comment: i would never consider holding a SG in either Syria or Iran at the moment... Although Iran is a very nice country to travel through as the people there are the most kind and open minded you will meet anywhere. Never forget these people live in a regime they do not support...
In regards to my previous comment: i would never consider holding a SG in either Syria or Iran at the moment... Although Iran is a very nice country to travel through as the people there are the most kind and open minded you will meet anywhere. Never forget these people live in a regime they do not support...
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by Deleted on Feb 24, 2012 9:55:50 GMT 1, Would have a case if zones were never illegally occupied. Unfortunately the terror inflicted on to the Palestinian people by both the Israeli's and lack of support from their Arab counterparts had to result in violent action as there is no other alternative. The highlighting of the plight in Palestine by Banksy et al, from what I can see was to not expose this crap of two sides to every story but was to accentuate the plight of the Palestinian people.
Indeed. And what an eye opener it was, the hospitality shown by Palestinians was immeasurably more impressive than the teenagers armed with an attitude and semi automatic assault rifles just a "stones throw" away.
Here's a little montage of the trip
Would have a case if zones were never illegally occupied. Unfortunately the terror inflicted on to the Palestinian people by both the Israeli's and lack of support from their Arab counterparts had to result in violent action as there is no other alternative. The highlighting of the plight in Palestine by Banksy et al, from what I can see was to not expose this crap of two sides to every story but was to accentuate the plight of the Palestinian people. Indeed. And what an eye opener it was, the hospitality shown by Palestinians was immeasurably more impressive than the teenagers armed with an attitude and semi automatic assault rifles just a "stones throw" away. Here's a little montage of the trip
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by eschiff on Feb 24, 2012 10:21:15 GMT 1, think there's been some horrible things done on both sides...
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Munich_massacre
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lover on Feb 24, 2012 11:31:02 GMT 1, I sometimes wonder why most people in the UK blame Israel. Did they not give back Gaza a few years back? And did this not just give Hamas a greater area to fire rockets at Israel?
It is possible to make peace with a terrorist organisation thats manifesto says they will not stop the attack until Israel no longer exists?
Many questions- very difficult answers
I sometimes wonder why most people in the UK blame Israel. Did they not give back Gaza a few years back? And did this not just give Hamas a greater area to fire rockets at Israel?
It is possible to make peace with a terrorist organisation thats manifesto says they will not stop the attack until Israel no longer exists?
Many questions- very difficult answers
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by balibob on Feb 24, 2012 12:49:44 GMT 1, ^ most are neither pro either side, but as always, the more extreme the view, the more vocal. Its a bit like who can shout the loudest, or my dad's bigger than your dad.
^ most are neither pro either side, but as always, the more extreme the view, the more vocal. Its a bit like who can shout the loudest, or my dad's bigger than your dad.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by nacional on Feb 24, 2012 13:02:18 GMT 1, and a scan of the pricelist please!!!!!
and a scan of the pricelist please!!!!!
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by balibob on Feb 24, 2012 13:06:07 GMT 1, ^well said.
^well said.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by rottenredrooster on Feb 24, 2012 13:08:15 GMT 1, ^ most are neither pro either side, but as always, the more extreme the view, the more vocal. Its a bit like who can shout the loudest, or my dad's bigger than your dad.
Or perhaps it is important to highlight the hundreds of thousands that have been victim to the occupation.
^ most are neither pro either side, but as always, the more extreme the view, the more vocal. Its a bit like who can shout the loudest, or my dad's bigger than your dad. Or perhaps it is important to highlight the hundreds of thousands that have been victim to the occupation.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by eschiff on Feb 24, 2012 13:11:04 GMT 1, or the hundred and thousands that are under constant threat from the terror organisations that are based in palestine and supported by their neighbors.
or the hundred and thousands that are under constant threat from the terror organisations that are based in palestine and supported by their neighbors.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by rottenredrooster on Feb 24, 2012 13:18:09 GMT 1, or the hundred and thousands that are under constant threat from the terror organisations that are based in palestine and supported by their neighbors.
Depends what you define as a terror organisation.
Like I said before, I'm sure Banksy et al didn't go there to highlight the supposed suffering of the Israeli people. They went to Palestine, to protest against the illegal wall put their by the Israelis and the constant harassment and murder by the Israelis of the Palestinian people.
It is extremely odd, for a person to collect urban art which is generally anti-establishment and then vow their support for murderous political machines. I don't see any art by street artists supporting Israel, Britain, the U.S.
At the end of the day, if occupations were happening around the world then these organisations which you proclaim to be 'terrorists' wouldn't exist and if they did you might actually have some ground with your argument.
This argument about their neighbours supporting them is absolute bollocks. Egypt traded with Israel and closed the border, all of the neighbouring Arab countries while they may not like Israel, certainly don't help their Palestinian brothers as much as the could.
or the hundred and thousands that are under constant threat from the terror organisations that are based in palestine and supported by their neighbors. Depends what you define as a terror organisation. Like I said before, I'm sure Banksy et al didn't go there to highlight the supposed suffering of the Israeli people. They went to Palestine, to protest against the illegal wall put their by the Israelis and the constant harassment and murder by the Israelis of the Palestinian people. It is extremely odd, for a person to collect urban art which is generally anti-establishment and then vow their support for murderous political machines. I don't see any art by street artists supporting Israel, Britain, the U.S. At the end of the day, if occupations were happening around the world then these organisations which you proclaim to be 'terrorists' wouldn't exist and if they did you might actually have some ground with your argument. This argument about their neighbours supporting them is absolute bollocks. Egypt traded with Israel and closed the border, all of the neighbouring Arab countries while they may not like Israel, certainly don't help their Palestinian brothers as much as the could.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by rottenredrooster on Feb 24, 2012 13:47:40 GMT 1,
If you want to examine facts...
Israel supplied arms to support apartheid. The also sold weapons to Loyalist death squads.
Also interesting that you got your facts from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
Syria has murdered Palestinian refugees.
Quite frankly I think it is a case of what 'King' Fahd, propped up by the British said:
"Next To Jews, We Hate Palestinians The Most"
If you want to examine facts... Israel supplied arms to support apartheid. The also sold weapons to Loyalist death squads. Also interesting that you got your facts from the Israeli Ministry of Foreign Affairs. Syria has murdered Palestinian refugees. Quite frankly I think it is a case of what 'King' Fahd, propped up by the British said: "Next To Jews, We Hate Palestinians The Most"
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by balibob on Feb 24, 2012 13:56:25 GMT 1, ^ Facts from the man that on his previous rant that said Gandhi supported violence and murder. Can we have a look at the pice list please before this thread gets locked.
^ Facts from the man that on his previous rant that said Gandhi supported violence and murder. Can we have a look at the pice list please before this thread gets locked.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by rottenredrooster on Feb 24, 2012 14:00:30 GMT 1, ^ Facts from the man that on his previous rant that said Gandhi supported violence and murder. Can we have a look at the pice list please before this thread gets locked.
Yes, anyway you're right lets get on with the art talk.
^ Facts from the man that on his previous rant that said Gandhi supported violence and murder. Can we have a look at the pice list please before this thread gets locked. Yes, anyway you're right lets get on with the art talk.
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