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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by valeha on Dec 10, 2007 0:44:20 GMT 1, hey shogun, cut and paste the link, it should work.
hey shogun, cut and paste the link, it should work.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by shogun on Dec 10, 2007 11:52:21 GMT 1, hey shogun, cut and paste the link, it should work.
Thanks for that - sometimes the simplest solutions work
hey shogun, cut and paste the link, it should work. Thanks for that - sometimes the simplest solutions work |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by kiy on Dec 10, 2007 14:50:05 GMT 1, While not defending any one person or country I think it's important to remember that there are good and bad people in all countries. I'm an American and while I'm certainly aware of my country's role and reputation in international politics, I always find it refreshing when traveling that 99% of people understand the difference between a country's politics and the people that live there. I'd hate to see this turn into an Israeli (as in the average joe that lives there) bashing thread.
People from every country are not the same.....some intresting reading from the BBc News wesite today...
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7136068.stm
While not defending any one person or country I think it's important to remember that there are good and bad people in all countries. I'm an American and while I'm certainly aware of my country's role and reputation in international politics, I always find it refreshing when traveling that 99% of people understand the difference between a country's politics and the people that live there. I'd hate to see this turn into an Israeli (as in the average joe that lives there) bashing thread. People from every country are not the same.....some intresting reading from the BBc News wesite today... news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/7136068.stm |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by valeha on Dec 10, 2007 18:20:27 GMT 1, ok call me slow, but you know the banksy dove, is there hard to make out arabic writing on the left wing? I can read basic arabic, ie when it's not all nice and arty, but I can't make out any words, but can see some vague letters.
Has this already been pointed out?
(oh and if is, cam someone tell me what it says)
Thanks
V
ok call me slow, but you know the banksy dove, is there hard to make out arabic writing on the left wing? I can read basic arabic, ie when it's not all nice and arty, but I can't make out any words, but can see some vague letters.
Has this already been pointed out?
(oh and if is, cam someone tell me what it says)
Thanks
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by corblimeylimey on Dec 10, 2007 19:05:14 GMT 1, While not defending any one person or country I think it's important to remember that there are good and bad people in all countries. I'm an American and while I'm certainly aware of my country's role and reputation in international politics, I always find it refreshing when traveling that 99% of people understand the difference between a country's politics and the people that live there. I'd hate to see this turn into an Israeli (as in the average joe that lives there) bashing thread.
Nearly always the case isn't it, I'm sure Cubans are really nice people, but America (not Americans) won't do business with them. I'm sure your average Iraqi, or Iranian is fine too, the world over humans are much of a muchness, some good, some bad/criminal it's government decisions that cause the most trouble. You must bear in mind that in most countries it's the population that chooses the government, but often this isn't a real free choice, the political systems don't always work, take the US as an example, it seems you only have two political parties (right wing & slightly less right wing ;D), that it also seems that to be in politics in the U.S you need to be very very wealthy, all the presidents are millionaires.
As I said before this thread and peoples opinions aren't a racist view about Jews, it's more concerning The Israeli authorities and possibly certain Israeli's who think they have a right or should occupy Palestinian land with their settlements.
While not defending any one person or country I think it's important to remember that there are good and bad people in all countries. I'm an American and while I'm certainly aware of my country's role and reputation in international politics, I always find it refreshing when traveling that 99% of people understand the difference between a country's politics and the people that live there. I'd hate to see this turn into an Israeli (as in the average joe that lives there) bashing thread. Nearly always the case isn't it, I'm sure Cubans are really nice people, but America (not Americans) won't do business with them. I'm sure your average Iraqi, or Iranian is fine too, the world over humans are much of a muchness, some good, some bad/criminal it's government decisions that cause the most trouble. You must bear in mind that in most countries it's the population that chooses the government, but often this isn't a real free choice, the political systems don't always work, take the US as an example, it seems you only have two political parties (right wing & slightly less right wing ;D), that it also seems that to be in politics in the U.S you need to be very very wealthy, all the presidents are millionaires. As I said before this thread and peoples opinions aren't a racist view about Jews, it's more concerning The Israeli authorities and possibly certain Israeli's who think they have a right or should occupy Palestinian land with their settlements. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by BONGO on Dec 10, 2007 20:43:54 GMT 1, ISRAEL HAS WEIGHTED DEMOCRATIC MODEL TO AVOID DOMINEERING TENDANCIES, HENCE THE UBUIQUITY OF HUNG KNESSET AND ENDLESS CHANGES OF RULING PARTIES.
WITHIN ISRAEL, THERE ARE A GAMUT OF POLITICAL PARTIES FROM LEFT TO EXTREME RIGHT.
MEDIA ALSO RANGES FROM RIGHT THRO TO HAA'RETZ LEFT/ LIBERAL PUBLICATION
BONGO THINK THAT ISRAEL HAS A FAR WIDER RANGE WITHIN ITS POLITCAL SPECTRUM THAN
USA.
BONGO ALSO KNOW THAT NOT EVERYONE IN ISRAEL SUPPORTS HARD LINE TACTICS AND POLICES
ISRAEL HAS WEIGHTED DEMOCRATIC MODEL TO AVOID DOMINEERING TENDANCIES, HENCE THE UBUIQUITY OF HUNG KNESSET AND ENDLESS CHANGES OF RULING PARTIES.
WITHIN ISRAEL, THERE ARE A GAMUT OF POLITICAL PARTIES FROM LEFT TO EXTREME RIGHT.
MEDIA ALSO RANGES FROM RIGHT THRO TO HAA'RETZ LEFT/ LIBERAL PUBLICATION
BONGO THINK THAT ISRAEL HAS A FAR WIDER RANGE WITHIN ITS POLITCAL SPECTRUM THAN
USA.
BONGO ALSO KNOW THAT NOT EVERYONE IN ISRAEL SUPPORTS HARD LINE TACTICS AND POLICES
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by paulypaul on Dec 10, 2007 20:49:47 GMT 1, ISRAEL HAS WEIGHTED DEMOCRATIC MODEL TO AVOID DOMINEERING TENDANCIES, HENCE THE UBUIQUITY OF HUNG KNESSET AND ENDLESS CHANGES OF RULING PARTIES. WITHIN ISRAEL, THERE ARE A GAMUT OF POLITICAL PARTIES FROM LEFT TO EXTREME RIGHT. MEDIA ALSO RANGES FROM RIGHT THRO TO HAA'RETZ LEFT/ LIBERAL PUBLICATION BONGO THINK THAT ISRAEL HAS A FAR WIDER RANGE WITHIN ITS POLITCAL SPECTRUM THAN USA. BONGO ALSO KNOW THAT NOT EVERYONE IN ISRAEL SUPPORTS HARD LINE TACTICS AND POLICES
Cock on, Bongo. Few 'open' democratic systems operate a political spectrum as narrow as that which exists in the US...
ISRAEL HAS WEIGHTED DEMOCRATIC MODEL TO AVOID DOMINEERING TENDANCIES, HENCE THE UBUIQUITY OF HUNG KNESSET AND ENDLESS CHANGES OF RULING PARTIES. WITHIN ISRAEL, THERE ARE A GAMUT OF POLITICAL PARTIES FROM LEFT TO EXTREME RIGHT. MEDIA ALSO RANGES FROM RIGHT THRO TO HAA'RETZ LEFT/ LIBERAL PUBLICATION BONGO THINK THAT ISRAEL HAS A FAR WIDER RANGE WITHIN ITS POLITCAL SPECTRUM THAN USA. BONGO ALSO KNOW THAT NOT EVERYONE IN ISRAEL SUPPORTS HARD LINE TACTICS AND POLICES Cock on, Bongo. Few 'open' democratic systems operate a political spectrum as narrow as that which exists in the US... |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by numusic on Dec 11, 2007 23:21:24 GMT 1, Ghetto Fabulous
Uploading images here..pissed drunk.. hic.. more later ! stunning place, beautiful country, beautiful people, amazing place and amazing art !
flickr.com/photos/nuart/sets/72157603435212817/
Peace
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by mcnuts on Dec 11, 2007 23:26:25 GMT 1,
total star nu cheers for the snaps.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by BunnyBoiler on Dec 11, 2007 23:34:23 GMT 1,
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by teatwosugars on Dec 11, 2007 23:41:19 GMT 1,
Good work fella! +
I'm very jealous. Wish I was out there. Not only for the experience and the art etc, but also for the 'chicks with guns'  ;D
Good work fella! + I'm very jealous. Wish I was out there. Not only for the experience and the art etc, but also for the 'chicks with guns' ;D |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lee100 on Dec 11, 2007 23:41:34 GMT 1, wow whats the story behind this ?
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by ยฎat on Dec 12, 2007 1:07:47 GMT 1, That IS the story.
You see things like that constantly... i certainly did yesterday and today
That IS the story.
You see things like that constantly... i certainly did yesterday and today
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 12, 2007 10:24:36 GMT 1,
No he didn't but there is a Banksy directly opposite from the hotel he stayed in in Bethlehem.
He also made a point of saying that the FCO and he are stressing that travel to Bethlehem and Jericho is safe.
And it is. As houses...as long as you're not Palestinian. Don't be nervous for god's sake.
As for the chicks with guns, all conscripts to the Israeli army have to keep their guns with them...even when off duty because losing it could land you in serious shit.
No he didn't but there is a Banksy directly opposite from the hotel he stayed in in Bethlehem. He also made a point of saying that the FCO and he are stressing that travel to Bethlehem and Jericho is safe. And it is. As houses...as long as you're not Palestinian. Don't be nervous for god's sake. As for the chicks with guns, all conscripts to the Israeli army have to keep their guns with them...even when off duty because losing it could land you in serious shit. |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by dkla on Dec 13, 2007 20:27:56 GMT 1, Thank you for getting back. Nuart's pics are pretty great. Hmmm Toxic Mary, Happy Copper or that Wizard of Oz dealio? Or perhaps a Dove print, I guess we wont know until we know. Which one do you think it'll be? Well, good luck to you when it finally comes out. Talk to you later,
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Thank you for getting back. Nuart's pics are pretty great. Hmmm Toxic Mary, Happy Copper or that Wizard of Oz dealio? Or perhaps a Dove print, I guess we wont know until we know. Which one do you think it'll be? Well, good luck to you when it finally comes out. Talk to you later,
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by westley on Dec 13, 2007 20:59:06 GMT 1, Hi is there a banksy in the window of the ghetto the the only pic i can find of the gorilla is at distance and you can not see any thing
anyone know a good link to the pic ?
Hi is there a banksy in the window of the ghetto the the only pic i can find of the gorilla is at distance and you can not see any thing
anyone know a good link to the pic ?
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 14, 2007 18:52:49 GMT 1, Hi is there a banksy in the window of the ghetto the the only pic i can find of the gorilla is at distance and you can not see any thing anyone know a good link to the pic ?
There is but those who've been to Bethlehem are not at liberty to disclose what the new Banksy is just yet...at least I don't think so.
Plane two and a half hours late at take off...now in freezing London.
Big up to all the boys (and girl) we met out there.
+1 going all your ways.
If you're on your way out, contact Jalal Askara...he and his son drove around a few peeps along the walls, took you to places to eat etc etc. Do stress to the locals exactly how much some of the work inside is worth.... May motivate them to start chipping bits off the wall to flip on eBay!
Jalal's number is +972 522 365 703.
And do pay a visit to the inside of the Jacir Palace Hotel. It puts Saddam Hussein's palace to shame. And make the effort to see Beit Sahour and Beit Jala...a refugee camp and border town respectively. It's where the bulk of Bethlehemites live.
And as you're going thru Israel, have a Hannukah donut. Mmmmm.
Also recommend the falafel place off Manger Sq next to the Open Bethlehem office. A nice family run outfit with a monster of a bodybuilder doing the cooking when his dad isn't.
The gallery and the bids and the prints are SECONDARY here. The real show is the experience and the wall. Tell us if the catapult leaves as we know when it was set up....
Hi is there a banksy in the window of the ghetto the the only pic i can find of the gorilla is at distance and you can not see any thing anyone know a good link to the pic ? There is but those who've been to Bethlehem are not at liberty to disclose what the new Banksy is just yet...at least I don't think so. Plane two and a half hours late at take off...now in freezing London. Big up to all the boys (and girl) we met out there. +1 going all your ways. If you're on your way out, contact Jalal Askara...he and his son drove around a few peeps along the walls, took you to places to eat etc etc. Do stress to the locals exactly how much some of the work inside is worth.... May motivate them to start chipping bits off the wall to flip on eBay! Jalal's number is +972 522 365 703. And do pay a visit to the inside of the Jacir Palace Hotel. It puts Saddam Hussein's palace to shame. And make the effort to see Beit Sahour and Beit Jala...a refugee camp and border town respectively. It's where the bulk of Bethlehemites live. And as you're going thru Israel, have a Hannukah donut. Mmmmm. Also recommend the falafel place off Manger Sq next to the Open Bethlehem office. A nice family run outfit with a monster of a bodybuilder doing the cooking when his dad isn't. The gallery and the bids and the prints are SECONDARY here. The real show is the experience and the wall. Tell us if the catapult leaves as we know when it was set up.... |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by numusic on Dec 14, 2007 19:28:19 GMT 1, Hi is there a banksy in the window of the ghetto the the only pic i can find of the gorilla is at distance and you can not see any thing anyone know a good link to the pic ? There is but those who've been to Bethlehem are not at liberty to disclose what the new Banksy is just yet...at least I don't think so. Plane two and a half hours late at take off...now in freezing London. Big up to all the boys (and girl) we met out there. +1 going all your ways. If you're on your way out, contact Jalal Askara...he and his son drove around a few peeps along the walls, took you to places to eat etc etc. Do stress to the locals exactly how much some of the work inside is worth.... May motivate them to start chipping bits off the wall to flip on eBay! Jalal's number is +972 522 365 703. And do pay a visit to the inside of the Jacir Palace Hotel. It puts Saddam Hussein's palace to shame. And make the effort to see Beit Sahour and Beit Jala...a refugee camp and border town respectively. It's where the bulk of Bethlehemites live. And as you're going thru Israel, have a Hannukah donut. Mmmmm. Also recommend the falafel place off Manger Sq next to the Open Bethlehem office. A nice family run outfit with a monster of a bodybuilder doing the cooking when his dad isn't. The gallery and the bids and the prints are SECONDARY here. The real show is the experience and the wall. Tell us if the catapult leaves as we know when it was set up....
Ditto that.. hello you  you got back safely then. I got stuck in Frankfurt, 12 hours traveling. Well worth it though hey, mate
Hi is there a banksy in the window of the ghetto the the only pic i can find of the gorilla is at distance and you can not see any thing anyone know a good link to the pic ? There is but those who've been to Bethlehem are not at liberty to disclose what the new Banksy is just yet...at least I don't think so. Plane two and a half hours late at take off...now in freezing London. Big up to all the boys (and girl) we met out there. +1 going all your ways. If you're on your way out, contact Jalal Askara...he and his son drove around a few peeps along the walls, took you to places to eat etc etc. Do stress to the locals exactly how much some of the work inside is worth.... May motivate them to start chipping bits off the wall to flip on eBay! Jalal's number is +972 522 365 703. And do pay a visit to the inside of the Jacir Palace Hotel. It puts Saddam Hussein's palace to shame. And make the effort to see Beit Sahour and Beit Jala...a refugee camp and border town respectively. It's where the bulk of Bethlehemites live. And as you're going thru Israel, have a Hannukah donut. Mmmmm. Also recommend the falafel place off Manger Sq next to the Open Bethlehem office. A nice family run outfit with a monster of a bodybuilder doing the cooking when his dad isn't. The gallery and the bids and the prints are SECONDARY here. The real show is the experience and the wall. Tell us if the catapult leaves as we know when it was set up.... Ditto that.. hello you you got back safely then. I got stuck in Frankfurt, 12 hours traveling. Well worth it though hey, mate |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 14, 2007 19:43:56 GMT 1, There is but those who've been to Bethlehem are not at liberty to disclose what the new Banksy is just yet...at least I don't think so. Plane two and a half hours late at take off...now in freezing London. Big up to all the boys (and girl) we met out there. +1 going all your ways. If you're on your way out, contact Jalal Askara...he and his son drove around a few peeps along the walls, took you to places to eat etc etc. Do stress to the locals exactly how much some of the work inside is worth.... May motivate them to start chipping bits off the wall to flip on eBay! Jalal's number is +972 522 365 703. And do pay a visit to the inside of the Jacir Palace Hotel. It puts Saddam Hussein's palace to shame. And make the effort to see Beit Sahour and Beit Jala...a refugee camp and border town respectively. It's where the bulk of Bethlehemites live. And as you're going thru Israel, have a Hannukah donut. Mmmmm. Also recommend the falafel place off Manger Sq next to the Open Bethlehem office. A nice family run outfit with a monster of a bodybuilder doing the cooking when his dad isn't. The gallery and the bids and the prints are SECONDARY here. The real show is the experience and the wall. Tell us if the catapult leaves as we know when it was set up.... Ditto that.. hello you you got back safely then. I got stuck in Frankfurt, 12 hours traveling. Well worth it though hey, mate
I heard you were hallucinating when you finally got home. Jeez...what a shite flight back. All good now I hope.
And stay away from them nasty stacks of chairs...!
There is but those who've been to Bethlehem are not at liberty to disclose what the new Banksy is just yet...at least I don't think so. Plane two and a half hours late at take off...now in freezing London. Big up to all the boys (and girl) we met out there. +1 going all your ways. If you're on your way out, contact Jalal Askara...he and his son drove around a few peeps along the walls, took you to places to eat etc etc. Do stress to the locals exactly how much some of the work inside is worth.... May motivate them to start chipping bits off the wall to flip on eBay! Jalal's number is +972 522 365 703. And do pay a visit to the inside of the Jacir Palace Hotel. It puts Saddam Hussein's palace to shame. And make the effort to see Beit Sahour and Beit Jala...a refugee camp and border town respectively. It's where the bulk of Bethlehemites live. And as you're going thru Israel, have a Hannukah donut. Mmmmm. Also recommend the falafel place off Manger Sq next to the Open Bethlehem office. A nice family run outfit with a monster of a bodybuilder doing the cooking when his dad isn't. The gallery and the bids and the prints are SECONDARY here. The real show is the experience and the wall. Tell us if the catapult leaves as we know when it was set up.... Ditto that.. hello you you got back safely then. I got stuck in Frankfurt, 12 hours traveling. Well worth it though hey, mate I heard you were hallucinating when you finally got home. Jeez...what a shite flight back. All good now I hope. And stay away from them nasty stacks of chairs...! |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by ยฎat on Dec 14, 2007 19:53:24 GMT 1, The gallery and the bids and the prints are SECONDARY here. The real show is the experience and the wall....
Agree with that... ive talked more about the experience and what I saw than my purchase since i got back..
And PM me info on this new one... must have gone up wednesday or later as I left on tuesday...
The gallery and the bids and the prints are SECONDARY here. The real show is the experience and the wall.... Agree with that... ive talked more about the experience and what I saw than my purchase since i got back.. And PM me info on this new one... must have gone up wednesday or later as I left on tuesday... |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by alvington89 on Dec 14, 2007 20:46:52 GMT 1, Nu,
Just had a look through your set of snaps. Very interesting.
The photo of the 2 girls with assualt rifles is very disturbing in it's assumed normality.
Nu,
Just had a look through your set of snaps. Very interesting.
The photo of the 2 girls with assualt rifles is very disturbing in it's assumed normality.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by numusic on Dec 14, 2007 21:24:44 GMT 1,
www.youtube.com/NUART07
A quick photo montage for your entertainment.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by numusic on Dec 14, 2007 21:30:49 GMT 1, Nu, Just had a look through your set of snaps. Very interesting. The photo of the 2 girls with assualt rifles is very disturbing in it's assumed normality.
Kids with guns, makes you think very carefully about your chat up lines
Nu, Just had a look through your set of snaps. Very interesting. The photo of the 2 girls with assualt rifles is very disturbing in it's assumed normality. Kids with guns, makes you think very carefully about your chat up lines |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by stuey09 on Dec 15, 2007 17:28:37 GMT 1, Just got back in and am way too knackered to type anything sensible, so just a big thumbs up to all those I met over there and to those who provided the fantastic pre travel advice. An amazing experience.
Just got back in and am way too knackered to type anything sensible, so just a big thumbs up to all those I met over there and to those who provided the fantastic pre travel advice. An amazing experience.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by stuey09 on Dec 15, 2007 23:10:51 GMT 1, Just a few things worth mentioning to those still thinking about going over. If you possibly can, then do it.
From a street art perspective it is a very worthwhile experience. The art on the wall and surrounding area is at worst good, but in general it is magnificent. Due to the scale of some works you will have to see it in the flesh to appreciate it, but also to fully get it, you'll have to put it in the context of the surroundings. The work within the SG shop will have you drooling - personal favourite being Peter Kennard and Cat Phillip's Soldier 1. Also there are still plenty of the excellent Flag prints available and it is a superb image.
However, above and beyond the great art, is the opportunity to have a look for yourself at what is going on over there, rather than reading about it. It wasn't too difficult getting into the country, except for one member of staff at Heathrow everyone that I dealt with was polite and reasonably friendly. So I think the earlier posts of intimidation and latex gloves are no longer such an issue as they're now used to us going over.
Not going to harp on about the politics of the place, it's up to each to make up their own mind, but better seeing it for yourself than getting the BBC's version.
So if work commitments allow, book it, pack it and fuck off over to SG. You'll love it.
Just a few things worth mentioning to those still thinking about going over. If you possibly can, then do it.
From a street art perspective it is a very worthwhile experience. The art on the wall and surrounding area is at worst good, but in general it is magnificent. Due to the scale of some works you will have to see it in the flesh to appreciate it, but also to fully get it, you'll have to put it in the context of the surroundings. The work within the SG shop will have you drooling - personal favourite being Peter Kennard and Cat Phillip's Soldier 1. Also there are still plenty of the excellent Flag prints available and it is a superb image.
However, above and beyond the great art, is the opportunity to have a look for yourself at what is going on over there, rather than reading about it. It wasn't too difficult getting into the country, except for one member of staff at Heathrow everyone that I dealt with was polite and reasonably friendly. So I think the earlier posts of intimidation and latex gloves are no longer such an issue as they're now used to us going over.
Not going to harp on about the politics of the place, it's up to each to make up their own mind, but better seeing it for yourself than getting the BBC's version.
So if work commitments allow, book it, pack it and fuck off over to SG. You'll love it.
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by lover on Dec 16, 2007 1:49:58 GMT 1, It is unfortunate that its necessary for national service in a country that is and has been under attack since its formation. Forget all the issues you may have seen, but until a people/religion love themselves more than they hate another people/religion there will not be piece in the region. The Hamas manifesto says they will not stop until they can march freely to the Mediterranean sea. Take from that what you wish, but I take from that they will never accept a 2 state solution. You can not blame one side in the situation, but you can not expect less security at an airport where they are under constant threat. Good night god bless to you all. Peace to the world
It is unfortunate that its necessary for national service in a country that is and has been under attack since its formation. Forget all the issues you may have seen, but until a people/religion love themselves more than they hate another people/religion there will not be piece in the region. The Hamas manifesto says they will not stop until they can march freely to the Mediterranean sea. Take from that what you wish, but I take from that they will never accept a 2 state solution. You can not blame one side in the situation, but you can not expect less security at an airport where they are under constant threat. Good night god bless to you all. Peace to the world
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by monstris on Dec 16, 2007 14:46:41 GMT 1, It is unfortunate that its necessary for national service in a country that is and has been under attack since its formation. Forget all the issues you may have seen, but until a people/religion love themselves more than they hate another people/religion there will not be piece in the region. The Hamas manifesto says they will not stop until they can march freely to the Mediterranean sea. Take from that what you wish, but I take from that they will never accept a 2 state solution. You can not blame one side in the situation, but you can not expect less security at an airport where they are under constant threat. Good night god bless to you all. Peace to the world
this thread has already had a middle east debate so let's not go there please.
we could harp on about the hope in the country during the barak years which was flushed down the pan...how israel holds all the cards being the more powerful of the two...how killing leads to more killing no matter who you are...how being born is a political statement...how your average secular tel avivian couldn't give a fuck and just wants to get on with life.... but let's not.
just get your backsides over there before the 24th if you want to see the ghetto show. if you want the wall experience, go over at any time. it's 15 mins from jerusalem, the checkpoint is a bit of a hassle (i don't like having to get my passport out) which is why i drive over through beit jala (other forum members will say the checkpoint is no issue but i've gone thru too many of them in too many countries in my time and they bring me out in a rash).
as mentioned before, the ghetto is secondary to the experience. talk to the locals but avoid that shyster selling you beads and keffiyeh by the wall....
It is unfortunate that its necessary for national service in a country that is and has been under attack since its formation. Forget all the issues you may have seen, but until a people/religion love themselves more than they hate another people/religion there will not be piece in the region. The Hamas manifesto says they will not stop until they can march freely to the Mediterranean sea. Take from that what you wish, but I take from that they will never accept a 2 state solution. You can not blame one side in the situation, but you can not expect less security at an airport where they are under constant threat. Good night god bless to you all. Peace to the world this thread has already had a middle east debate so let's not go there please. we could harp on about the hope in the country during the barak years which was flushed down the pan...how israel holds all the cards being the more powerful of the two...how killing leads to more killing no matter who you are...how being born is a political statement...how your average secular tel avivian couldn't give a fuck and just wants to get on with life.... but let's not. just get your backsides over there before the 24th if you want to see the ghetto show. if you want the wall experience, go over at any time. it's 15 mins from jerusalem, the checkpoint is a bit of a hassle (i don't like having to get my passport out) which is why i drive over through beit jala (other forum members will say the checkpoint is no issue but i've gone thru too many of them in too many countries in my time and they bring me out in a rash). as mentioned before, the ghetto is secondary to the experience. talk to the locals but avoid that shyster selling you beads and keffiyeh by the wall.... |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by numusic on Dec 16, 2007 16:53:17 GMT 1, Just a few things worth mentioning to those still thinking about going over. If you possibly can, then do it. From a street art perspective it is a very worthwhile experience. The art on the wall and surrounding area is at worst good, but in general it is magnificent. Due to the scale of some works you will have to see it in the flesh to appreciate it, but also to fully get it, you'll have to put it in the context of the surroundings. The work within the SG shop will have you drooling - personal favourite being Peter Kennard and Cat Phillip's Soldier 1. Also there are still plenty of the excellent Flag prints available and it is a superb image. However, above and beyond the great art, is the opportunity to have a look for yourself at what is going on over there, rather than reading about it. It wasn't too difficult getting into the country, except for one member of staff at Heathrow everyone that I dealt with was polite and reasonably friendly. So I think the earlier posts of intimidation and latex gloves are no longer such an issue as they're now used to us going over. Not going to harp on about the politics of the place, it's up to each to make up their own mind, but better seeing it for yourself than getting the BBC's version. So if work commitments allow, book it, pack it and f**k off over to SG. You'll love it.
spot on mate, my experience exactly ! sorry we missed each other bro.. didn't have time to get back in and out of Bethlehem. Did you hook up with Martin and Leon ?
Just a few things worth mentioning to those still thinking about going over. If you possibly can, then do it. From a street art perspective it is a very worthwhile experience. The art on the wall and surrounding area is at worst good, but in general it is magnificent. Due to the scale of some works you will have to see it in the flesh to appreciate it, but also to fully get it, you'll have to put it in the context of the surroundings. The work within the SG shop will have you drooling - personal favourite being Peter Kennard and Cat Phillip's Soldier 1. Also there are still plenty of the excellent Flag prints available and it is a superb image. However, above and beyond the great art, is the opportunity to have a look for yourself at what is going on over there, rather than reading about it. It wasn't too difficult getting into the country, except for one member of staff at Heathrow everyone that I dealt with was polite and reasonably friendly. So I think the earlier posts of intimidation and latex gloves are no longer such an issue as they're now used to us going over. Not going to harp on about the politics of the place, it's up to each to make up their own mind, but better seeing it for yourself than getting the BBC's version. So if work commitments allow, book it, pack it and f**k off over to SG. You'll love it. spot on mate, my experience exactly ! sorry we missed each other bro.. didn't have time to get back in and out of Bethlehem. Did you hook up with Martin and Leon ? |
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Banksy's Santas Ghetto Bethlehem, by ejvaze on Dec 16, 2007 17:09:22 GMT 1, Just a few things worth mentioning to those still thinking about going over. If you possibly can, then do it. From a street art perspective it is a very worthwhile experience. The art on the wall and surrounding area is at worst good, but in general it is magnificent. Due to the scale of some works you will have to see it in the flesh to appreciate it, but also to fully get it, you'll have to put it in the context of the surroundings. The work within the SG shop will have you drooling - personal favourite being Peter Kennard and Cat Phillip's Soldier 1. Also there are still plenty of the excellent Flag prints available and it is a superb image. However, above and beyond the great art, is the opportunity to have a look for yourself at what is going on over there, rather than reading about it. It wasn't too difficult getting into the country, except for one member of staff at Heathrow everyone that I dealt with was polite and reasonably friendly. So I think the earlier posts of intimidation and latex gloves are no longer such an issue as they're now used to us going over. Not going to harp on about the politics of the place, it's up to each to make up their own mind, but better seeing it for yourself than getting the BBC's version. So if work commitments allow, book it, pack it and f**k off over to SG. You'll love it.
Well said Stu
and Oh monstris well said too
Now the rest of you remember it finishes on the 24th so GET GOING and have a great experience
Just a few things worth mentioning to those still thinking about going over. If you possibly can, then do it. From a street art perspective it is a very worthwhile experience. The art on the wall and surrounding area is at worst good, but in general it is magnificent. Due to the scale of some works you will have to see it in the flesh to appreciate it, but also to fully get it, you'll have to put it in the context of the surroundings. The work within the SG shop will have you drooling - personal favourite being Peter Kennard and Cat Phillip's Soldier 1. Also there are still plenty of the excellent Flag prints available and it is a superb image. However, above and beyond the great art, is the opportunity to have a look for yourself at what is going on over there, rather than reading about it. It wasn't too difficult getting into the country, except for one member of staff at Heathrow everyone that I dealt with was polite and reasonably friendly. So I think the earlier posts of intimidation and latex gloves are no longer such an issue as they're now used to us going over. Not going to harp on about the politics of the place, it's up to each to make up their own mind, but better seeing it for yourself than getting the BBC's version. So if work commitments allow, book it, pack it and f**k off over to SG. You'll love it. Well said Stu and Oh monstris well said too Now the rest of you remember it finishes on the 24th so GET GOING and have a great experience |
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you got back safely then. I got stuck in Frankfurt, 12 hours traveling. Well worth it though hey, mate 
