Feral Things
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Feral Things on May 18, 2016 19:01:22 GMT 1, here's a question. Is art meant to be pretty? Nope! It's the ugly horror of Goya's etchings and Francis Bacon's paintings that convey their messages and make them so brilliantly, compelling.
The thing that I love the most about Os Gêmeos' work is that it shows real people living real lives, with all the awkwardness and imperfections that entails. Personally, the muralists that paint pieces featuring women that conform to the stereotypical idea of beauty do nothing for me; they feel soulless and I have no connection with these works. Although Os Gêmeos' characters might be yellow and stylised they feel far more human and more real to me. They have obviously painted plenty of 'pretty' subjects but my favourite canvas of theirs is of a newly married couple; he's got a mono-brow and she's on the dumpy-side. They might not be the 'prettiest' couple but they positively ooze love and commitment and it's an incredible painting...unfortunately, I can't find a photo of it right now and this is as close as I could find.
Incidentally, Os Gêmeos took part in an exhibition in Manchester back in 2004 and the works that were sold were flipped straight away; unsurprisingly, they were less than pleased! I wish these prints were more affordable too but unfortunately the reason they aren't (and one of the reasons why they haven't had a UK exhibition since) is the minority of people who have perpetuated this culture of flipping ever since.
here's a question. Is art meant to be pretty? Nope! It's the ugly horror of Goya's etchings and Francis Bacon's paintings that convey their messages and make them so brilliantly, compelling. The thing that I love the most about Os Gêmeos' work is that it shows real people living real lives, with all the awkwardness and imperfections that entails. Personally, the muralists that paint pieces featuring women that conform to the stereotypical idea of beauty do nothing for me; they feel soulless and I have no connection with these works. Although Os Gêmeos' characters might be yellow and stylised they feel far more human and more real to me. They have obviously painted plenty of 'pretty' subjects but my favourite canvas of theirs is of a newly married couple; he's got a mono-brow and she's on the dumpy-side. They might not be the 'prettiest' couple but they positively ooze love and commitment and it's an incredible painting...unfortunately, I can't find a photo of it right now and this is as close as I could find. Incidentally, Os Gêmeos took part in an exhibition in Manchester back in 2004 and the works that were sold were flipped straight away; unsurprisingly, they were less than pleased! I wish these prints were more affordable too but unfortunately the reason they aren't (and one of the reasons why they haven't had a UK exhibition since) is the minority of people who have perpetuated this culture of flipping ever since.
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docean
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New Os Gêmeos print, by docean on May 18, 2016 19:01:24 GMT 1, they're having a show in NYC later this year.
my source says very likely another print. no indication of image or price.
they're having a show in NYC later this year.
my source says very likely another print. no indication of image or price.
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gravity1
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New Os Gêmeos print, by gravity1 on May 18, 2016 19:24:53 GMT 1, And in 3rd place for the 3rd grade art contest....
And in 3rd place for the 3rd grade art contest....
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 19:25:59 GMT 1, technically, if you buy it, only 98 other people have it and show me an Os G canvas of that size for that price, and I will gladly buy it instead. Don't get me wrong the twins are REAL ARTIST. compared to a lot of what i see being sold on this site and elsewhere is mind boggling to me but 6K for a piece of paper with a signature is insanity. prints don't not have the substance a canvas does. nor the value on a resale. for me as an artist you shouldn't place yourself in a bracket where only one class of people can buy your work. even Picasso made pieces affordable to the less fortunate.
technically, if you buy it, only 98 other people have it and show me an Os G canvas of that size for that price, and I will gladly buy it instead. Don't get me wrong the twins are REAL ARTIST. compared to a lot of what i see being sold on this site and elsewhere is mind boggling to me but 6K for a piece of paper with a signature is insanity. prints don't not have the substance a canvas does. nor the value on a resale. for me as an artist you shouldn't place yourself in a bracket where only one class of people can buy your work. even Picasso made pieces affordable to the less fortunate.
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eschiff
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New Os Gêmeos print, by eschiff on May 18, 2016 19:27:47 GMT 1, they're having a show in NYC later this year. my source says very likely another print. no indication of image or price.
I've seen the work from the show and its stunning. All was priced between 120k and 250k and now is sold out. I wasn't told about a print but not saying there won't be.
I think this print is extraordinary. I think the twins are the most successful artists to come from South America in some time. Anyone who has spent time in Brazil will surely have seen their work everywhere. And for those saying its a yellow cartoon need to do some research. Its traditional Brazilian folk imagery.
Recently their canvasses at auction have done quite well so to question their market seems at best naive and at worst bitter. Sure, it's weird not to release the image beforehand but arguing about price comes down to arguing about individual circumstances.
they're having a show in NYC later this year. my source says very likely another print. no indication of image or price. I've seen the work from the show and its stunning. All was priced between 120k and 250k and now is sold out. I wasn't told about a print but not saying there won't be. I think this print is extraordinary. I think the twins are the most successful artists to come from South America in some time. Anyone who has spent time in Brazil will surely have seen their work everywhere. And for those saying its a yellow cartoon need to do some research. Its traditional Brazilian folk imagery. Recently their canvasses at auction have done quite well so to question their market seems at best naive and at worst bitter. Sure, it's weird not to release the image beforehand but arguing about price comes down to arguing about individual circumstances.
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sin
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New Os Gêmeos print, by sin on May 18, 2016 19:35:04 GMT 1, I got one question will a print you spent 5K on that 99 other people own be worth anything in the next 5-10 years? and why spend that much money on a print oppossed to the original canvas? im not trying to offend anyone I just dont understand why would a person spend that much on piece of paper. question 1 no one know, no one ever knows, people guess, sometimes they are right and other times they are wrong. like gambling, if you are buying art with money you need, its probably the wrong place for you to spend money. do i personally think the twins are a safe enough bet, yes. i have my own set of rules for these decisions, however, since I rarely sell anything, the short term economic value doesnt mean a lot to me and the long term economic value to me isnt that big of a concern either.
there are a slew of prints that are worth far more now than they were 5 - 10 years ago. so the question here is would a print by the twins follow that trend. id say that it holding its value is likely, but as i said its speculation at best.
question 2. trust me, if i could afford a canvas by Os Gemeous Id buy one. However that ship has long sailed for me. Buying this print allowed me to have something by them, that I like, in my collection. i could buy originals by other artists for the same price, but ultimately, be it paper, canvas, etc, most art is worth in raw materials a slight slight fraction of its cost.
I got one question will a print you spent 5K on that 99 other people own be worth anything in the next 5-10 years? and why spend that much money on a print oppossed to the original canvas? im not trying to offend anyone I just dont understand why would a person spend that much on piece of paper. question 1 no one know, no one ever knows, people guess, sometimes they are right and other times they are wrong. like gambling, if you are buying art with money you need, its probably the wrong place for you to spend money. do i personally think the twins are a safe enough bet, yes. i have my own set of rules for these decisions, however, since I rarely sell anything, the short term economic value doesnt mean a lot to me and the long term economic value to me isnt that big of a concern either. there are a slew of prints that are worth far more now than they were 5 - 10 years ago. so the question here is would a print by the twins follow that trend. id say that it holding its value is likely, but as i said its speculation at best. question 2. trust me, if i could afford a canvas by Os Gemeous Id buy one. However that ship has long sailed for me. Buying this print allowed me to have something by them, that I like, in my collection. i could buy originals by other artists for the same price, but ultimately, be it paper, canvas, etc, most art is worth in raw materials a slight slight fraction of its cost.
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sin
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New Os Gêmeos print, by sin on May 18, 2016 19:36:11 GMT 1, And in 3rd place for the 3rd grade art contest....
Dont forget, Cy Twombly get the same shade and his piece are prominently held is the most prestigious institutions in the world.
And in 3rd place for the 3rd grade art contest.... Dont forget, Cy Twombly get the same shade and his piece are prominently held is the most prestigious institutions in the world.
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Petrusino
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Petrusino on May 18, 2016 19:38:03 GMT 1, I know, for some people 7200 euro is nothing. I understand those people that already have in their home three or four Banksy prints, a big painting by Futura, a pair of originals by Swoon, maybe some Kaws too, others by Retna, etc etc. but if you does not already own this type of valuable art in your home this print is absolutely a crazy purchase....it's like buying stocks when they have reached the top of their value; not the best investment you could have done imo. Better to invest on some originals
I know, for some people 7200 euro is nothing. I understand those people that already have in their home three or four Banksy prints, a big painting by Futura, a pair of originals by Swoon, maybe some Kaws too, others by Retna, etc etc. but if you does not already own this type of valuable art in your home this print is absolutely a crazy purchase....it's like buying stocks when they have reached the top of their value; not the best investment you could have done imo. Better to invest on some originals
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mla
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New Os Gêmeos print, by mla on May 18, 2016 19:43:52 GMT 1, Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment?
There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest.
Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment?
There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest.
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 19:44:56 GMT 1, I got one question will a print you spent 5K on that 99 other people own be worth anything in the next 5-10 years? and why spend that much money on a print oppossed to the original canvas? im not trying to offend anyone I just dont understand why would a person spend that much on piece of paper. question 1 no one know, no one ever knows, people guess, sometimes they are right and other times they are wrong. like gambling, if you are buying art with money you need, its probably the wrong place for you to spend money. do i personally think the twins are a safe enough bet, yes. i have my own set of rules for these decisions, however, since I rarely sell anything, the short term economic value doesnt mean a lot to me and the long term economic value to me isnt that big of a concern either. there are a slew of prints that are worth far more now than they were 5 - 10 years ago. so the question here is would a print by the twins follow that trend. id say that it holding its value is likely, but as i said its speculation at best. question 2. trust me, if i could afford a canvas by Os Gemeous Id buy one. However that ship has long sailed for me. Buying this print allowed me to have something by them, that I like, in my collection. i could buy originals by other artists for the same price, but ultimately, be it paper, canvas, etc, most art is worth in raw materials a slight slight fraction of its cost. I can digg what you saying whole heartily. I wouldnt say its a slew of prints but there are prints out there that are worth more than they were at press some of it i wouldnt even consider art but thats my opinion and for another thread.
I got one question will a print you spent 5K on that 99 other people own be worth anything in the next 5-10 years? and why spend that much money on a print oppossed to the original canvas? im not trying to offend anyone I just dont understand why would a person spend that much on piece of paper. question 1 no one know, no one ever knows, people guess, sometimes they are right and other times they are wrong. like gambling, if you are buying art with money you need, its probably the wrong place for you to spend money. do i personally think the twins are a safe enough bet, yes. i have my own set of rules for these decisions, however, since I rarely sell anything, the short term economic value doesnt mean a lot to me and the long term economic value to me isnt that big of a concern either. there are a slew of prints that are worth far more now than they were 5 - 10 years ago. so the question here is would a print by the twins follow that trend. id say that it holding its value is likely, but as i said its speculation at best. question 2. trust me, if i could afford a canvas by Os Gemeous Id buy one. However that ship has long sailed for me. Buying this print allowed me to have something by them, that I like, in my collection. i could buy originals by other artists for the same price, but ultimately, be it paper, canvas, etc, most art is worth in raw materials a slight slight fraction of its cost. I can digg what you saying whole heartily. I wouldnt say its a slew of prints but there are prints out there that are worth more than they were at press some of it i wouldnt even consider art but thats my opinion and for another thread.
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alexbristol
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New Os Gêmeos print, by alexbristol on May 18, 2016 19:45:31 GMT 1, I've always thought the banksy collab from better out then in would make a wonderful screenprint. 0% chance of that happening but a fan can dream!
I'm with you on that the Image was outstanding I'm guessing this print will be near enough impossible to get my grubby mitts on
I've always thought the banksy collab from better out then in would make a wonderful screenprint. 0% chance of that happening but a fan can dream! I'm with you on that the Image was outstanding I'm guessing this print will be near enough impossible to get my grubby mitts on
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FЯ
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New Os Gêmeos print, by FЯ on May 18, 2016 19:54:44 GMT 1, Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs.
Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs.
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Lroy on May 18, 2016 19:55:05 GMT 1, This is charity...
This is charity...
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sakyamuni
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New Os Gêmeos print, by sakyamuni on May 18, 2016 19:55:35 GMT 1, back to art... found this picture I took from their show in Milano in 2010 if I remember right...
back to art... found this picture I took from their show in Milano in 2010 if I remember right...
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Lroy on May 18, 2016 19:57:54 GMT 1, Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. yeah buy Royston a roman Villa in WSM with view on the sea...
Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. yeah buy Royston a roman Villa in WSM with view on the sea...
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Lroy on May 18, 2016 19:58:31 GMT 1, back to art... found this picture I took from their show in Milano in 2010 if I remember right...
thats good !
back to art... found this picture I took from their show in Milano in 2010 if I remember right...
thats good !
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eschiff
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New Os Gêmeos print, by eschiff on May 18, 2016 20:01:54 GMT 1, Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs.
Makes me laugh every time someone tries to flog a googley eyed fish as art so glad we can amuse each other.
Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. Makes me laugh every time someone tries to flog a googley eyed fish as art so glad we can amuse each other.
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 20:02:27 GMT 1, Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work.
Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work.
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Eric Pause
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Eric Pause on May 18, 2016 20:04:22 GMT 1, Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. "Os Gêmeos" is just "The Twins" in Portuguese. I find it easier to say in English than comically mispronouncing it in Portuguese.
Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. "Os Gêmeos" is just "The Twins" in Portuguese. I find it easier to say in English than comically mispronouncing it in Portuguese.
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Howard Johnson on May 18, 2016 20:06:32 GMT 1, Congrats to everyone that scored. Don't care for the image myself but then again I just dropped huge money on some abstract snoopy illustrations so I fully embrace the "to each there own" principle. For those who are complaining about the price, be happy for the artists who can command these prices. Its good for urban art overall, and in the smallest of ways it ups the cache of each of our collections.
Regarding the price, its kind of funny that people (myself included on occasion) complain about the price of artwork like artists should do us a favor and allow it to be accessible. You'd never complain about not being able to afford a BMW like the company has some sort of obligation to the consumer to make affordable products. Art is a luxury item. Only the rich will be able to afford blue chip artwork. Thats a simple principle we all seem to forget in this day and age of endless print releases.
Congrats to everyone that scored. Don't care for the image myself but then again I just dropped huge money on some abstract snoopy illustrations so I fully embrace the "to each there own" principle. For those who are complaining about the price, be happy for the artists who can command these prices. Its good for urban art overall, and in the smallest of ways it ups the cache of each of our collections.
Regarding the price, its kind of funny that people (myself included on occasion) complain about the price of artwork like artists should do us a favor and allow it to be accessible. You'd never complain about not being able to afford a BMW like the company has some sort of obligation to the consumer to make affordable products. Art is a luxury item. Only the rich will be able to afford blue chip artwork. Thats a simple principle we all seem to forget in this day and age of endless print releases.
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 20:08:02 GMT 1, Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. "Os Gêmeos" is just "The Twins" in Portuguese. I find it easier to say in English than comically mispronouncing it in Portuguese. Thanks for clearing that up. you beat me to the post. Its always someone in the threads that brings bad energy to peaceful thread.
Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. "Os Gêmeos" is just "The Twins" in Portuguese. I find it easier to say in English than comically mispronouncing it in Portuguese. Thanks for clearing that up. you beat me to the post. Its always someone in the threads that brings bad energy to peaceful thread.
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Steph Rat Catcher on May 18, 2016 20:13:56 GMT 1, Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. yeah buy Royston a roman Villa in WSM with view on the sea... i was thinking a nose hair trimmer!
Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. yeah buy Royston a roman Villa in WSM with view on the sea... i was thinking a nose hair trimmer!
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mla
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New Os Gêmeos print, by mla on May 18, 2016 20:19:01 GMT 1, Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work. I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free.
For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product.
If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression.
Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work. I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free. For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product. If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression.
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BKBOI
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New Os Gêmeos print, by BKBOI on May 18, 2016 20:24:03 GMT 1, Looks like this release made sure that people who wanted one got one. No movement at all on Ebay. Congratulations on those that bought to frame. You will not regret picking up a print made in Idem Paris.
Looks like this release made sure that people who wanted one got one. No movement at all on Ebay. Congratulations on those that bought to frame. You will not regret picking up a print made in Idem Paris.
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sin
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New Os Gêmeos print, by sin on May 18, 2016 20:26:25 GMT 1, its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work. I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free. For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product. If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression. It may be situational bias, but the people I am close with, like me, buy for a different reason. Art is not an investment. If I was able to make back 1/2 of what I spent, but enjoyed the work while I had it, then thats more than I can hope for. I understand that other people see art as an investment, but its just never seemed enjoyable to me from that lens. I collect art because I love it. I am privileged to be able to do it and my only dream is to take all this work, build a museum around it and let other people enjoy these things, and learn about the movement that I love. If Im not going to sell it, why does the price ever really matter.
Cost of the work / number of days I reasonably have left on the planet / was it worth x to see it every day... then lets do it.
Once it gets up over $2K+ I start to add other variables, and I have a list of wants, but its never... well I believe the value will grow by x over the next period of time so ill buy it. Meh, seems shallow considering how important art is to me.
its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work. I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free. For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product. If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression. It may be situational bias, but the people I am close with, like me, buy for a different reason. Art is not an investment. If I was able to make back 1/2 of what I spent, but enjoyed the work while I had it, then thats more than I can hope for. I understand that other people see art as an investment, but its just never seemed enjoyable to me from that lens. I collect art because I love it. I am privileged to be able to do it and my only dream is to take all this work, build a museum around it and let other people enjoy these things, and learn about the movement that I love. If Im not going to sell it, why does the price ever really matter. Cost of the work / number of days I reasonably have left on the planet / was it worth x to see it every day... then lets do it. Once it gets up over $2K+ I start to add other variables, and I have a list of wants, but its never... well I believe the value will grow by x over the next period of time so ill buy it. Meh, seems shallow considering how important art is to me.
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Coach on May 18, 2016 20:28:52 GMT 1, Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work.
Well said Tommy.
Maybe stop looking at art as if it were an investment? There are much safer places to put your money if you are looking to truly invest. its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work. Well said Tommy.
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Coach on May 18, 2016 20:29:49 GMT 1, back to art... found this picture I took from their show in Milano in 2010 if I remember right...
thats good !
I agree mate. That's a cracker.
back to art... found this picture I took from their show in Milano in 2010 if I remember right...
thats good ! I agree mate. That's a cracker.
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Karl Read
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Karl Read on May 18, 2016 20:32:45 GMT 1, Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. "Os Gêmeos" is just "The Twins" in Portuguese. I find it easier to say in English than comically mispronouncing it in Portuguese. Yes, means "The Twins" in Portuguese. Os Gemeos is pronounced "Ows jemios" (that's actually hard to spell out.)
Makes me laugh everytime someone refers to them as the twins like they are mates with them. personally everytime says 'the twins' im reminded of a pair of boobs. "Os Gêmeos" is just "The Twins" in Portuguese. I find it easier to say in English than comically mispronouncing it in Portuguese. Yes, means "The Twins" in Portuguese. Os Gemeos is pronounced "Ows jemios" (that's actually hard to spell out.)
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New Os Gêmeos print, by Deleted on May 18, 2016 20:37:45 GMT 1, its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work. I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free. For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product. If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression. are you an artist? it is the true mark of an artist. If you establish a relationship with that artist then you will understand where im coming from. I feel strong about my abilities in this craft and so do other well known artist and collectors in the field but it doesn't stop me from giving away pieces to collectors and friends who appreciate my work. I don't value my artwork by monetary value because money has no substance my work does. I value my artwork by the viewers appreciation of it. a true artist will continue to paint if he or she is homeless, broke, or sick and i've been all 3 the yet I still paint.
its funny you say that because most not all collectors say they buy art as an investment. Im an artist and have been since i can remember. I live to paint I don't paint to live. many artist paint to live. A true artist will give you their work just for the appreciation of it. no matter how big his/her name is. I acquired a serious collection that way. My personal opinion buy what you like and try to establish a relationship with the artist you support. You acquire better and more original pieces that way. A real artist values his collectors more than he values his work. I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free. For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product. If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression. are you an artist? it is the true mark of an artist. If you establish a relationship with that artist then you will understand where im coming from. I feel strong about my abilities in this craft and so do other well known artist and collectors in the field but it doesn't stop me from giving away pieces to collectors and friends who appreciate my work. I don't value my artwork by monetary value because money has no substance my work does. I value my artwork by the viewers appreciation of it. a true artist will continue to paint if he or she is homeless, broke, or sick and i've been all 3 the yet I still paint.
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mla
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New Os Gêmeos print, by mla on May 18, 2016 20:45:14 GMT 1, I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free. For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product. If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression. are you an artist? it is the true mark of an artist. If you establish a relationship with that artist then you will understand where im coming from. I feel strong about my abilities in this craft and so do other well known artist and collectors in the field but it doesn't stop me from giving away pieces to collectors and friends who appreciate my work. I don't value my artwork by monetary value because money has no substance my work does. I value my artwork by the viewers appreciation of it. a true artist will continue to paint if he or she is homeless, broke, or sick and i've been all 3 the yet I still paint. I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free.
That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur.
I agree with your assertion that many collectors buy for "investment" purposes, however misguided that may be, however, I do not agree with the fact that the mark of "true artist" is that they give their work away for free. For me, a true artist is one who separates the creation process from the monetization process. They are driven to create and they do so, sometimes experimenting wildly, without a care as to the saleability of the end product. If an artist feels strongly about their abilities within their chosen craft, they should value their time and commitment to their pursuit of expression. are you an artist? it is the true mark of an artist. If you establish a relationship with that artist then you will understand where im coming from. I feel strong about my abilities in this craft and so do other well known artist and collectors in the field but it doesn't stop me from giving away pieces to collectors and friends who appreciate my work. I don't value my artwork by monetary value because money has no substance my work does. I value my artwork by the viewers appreciation of it. a true artist will continue to paint if he or she is homeless, broke, or sick and i've been all 3 the yet I still paint. I am not an artist, but I do connect with the artists I'm drawn to wherever possible and I would never dream of taking their hard work for free. That's fine if you don't assign a monetary value to your work, but to me, that is the difference between a professional and an amateur.
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