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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2016 21:22:37 GMT 1,
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by darwin on Jun 4, 2016 21:51:28 GMT 1, Migrants from the EU do get special priority because we are a member of the EU.
That's the deal. We signed up for it.
Migrants from the EU do get special priority because we are a member of the EU.
That's the deal. We signed up for it.
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by 11 on Jun 4, 2016 21:58:58 GMT 1, are you actually suggesting refugees are migrants?
are you actually suggesting refugees are migrants?
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Daniel Silk on Jun 4, 2016 22:00:12 GMT 1, Migrants from the EU do get special priority because we are a member of the EU. That's the deal. We signed up for it.
Do you think Migrants who are members of the EU should have priority over non EU Migrants?
This of course includes UK Migrants going to live in other European countries, should they have priority in EU countries over those who want to Migrant from non EU countries?
Migrants from the EU do get special priority because we are a member of the EU. That's the deal. We signed up for it. Yep, so the question to people is - Do you think Migrants who are members of the EU should have priority over non EU Migrants? This of course includes UK Migrants going to live in other European countries, should they have priority in EU countries over those who want to Migrant from non EU countries? |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by met on Jun 5, 2016 1:26:05 GMT 1, On a side note I do find frustrating how people have the general opinion that if you are wealthy you must be bad/take advantage of people/have more than you deserve. I am not wealthy but all the wealthy people I know are wealthy because they work extremely hard and love their work. I am certain that's not the case for everyone but to presume that if someone is successful they must be taking advantage of people is a cruel and really wrong. here you go ;-) www.spectator.co.uk/2014/05/power-really-does-corrupt-heres-scientific-proof/
Although I find this whole thread pretty futile and would question the underlying motivations in starting it, the above article was very interesting (even more so coming from The Spectator).
The fact that differences in status, power and wealth lead to differences in prevailing emotions and behaviour in people was of no real surprise to me.
However, what I did find fascinating was the evidence showing how individuals may be so easily and quickly susceptible to the influences of privilege and inequality. The experiments with the rigged Monopoly games serve to illustrate the speed at which people can be corrupted — regardless of their upbringing or cultural, economic or educational backgrounds.
My favourite line has got to be, "See how the weasel mind turns luck into a well-earned triumph?"
It already accompanies the above article, but I'm re-posting the TEDx Talk (The Science of Greed by Paul K. Piff) to encourage more people to watch that video and read the article:
On a side note I do find frustrating how people have the general opinion that if you are wealthy you must be bad/take advantage of people/have more than you deserve. I am not wealthy but all the wealthy people I know are wealthy because they work extremely hard and love their work. I am certain that's not the case for everyone but to presume that if someone is successful they must be taking advantage of people is a cruel and really wrong. here you go ;-) www.spectator.co.uk/2014/05/power-really-does-corrupt-heres-scientific-proof/Although I find this whole thread pretty futile and would question the underlying motivations in starting it, the above article was very interesting (even more so coming from The Spectator). The fact that differences in status, power and wealth lead to differences in prevailing emotions and behaviour in people was of no real surprise to me. However, what I did find fascinating was the evidence showing how individuals may be so easily and quickly susceptible to the influences of privilege and inequality. The experiments with the rigged Monopoly games serve to illustrate the speed at which people can be corrupted — regardless of their upbringing or cultural, economic or educational backgrounds. My favourite line has got to be, "See how the weasel mind turns luck into a well-earned triumph?"It already accompanies the above article, but I'm re-posting the TEDx Talk ( The Science of Greed by Paul K. Piff) to encourage more people to watch that video and read the article: |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 1:55:02 GMT 1, Migrants from the EU do get special priority because we are a member of the EU. That's the deal. We signed up for it. Yep, so the question to people is - Do you think Migrants who are members of the EU should have priority over non EU Migrants? This of course includes UK Migrants going to live in other European countries, should they have priority in EU countries over those who want to Migrant from non EU countries?
Migrants from the EU do get special priority because we are a member of the EU. That's the deal. We signed up for it. Yep, so the question to people is - Do you think Migrants who are members of the EU should have priority over non EU Migrants? This of course includes UK Migrants going to live in other European countries, should they have priority in EU countries over those who want to Migrant from non EU countries? As the EU was for Europeans to travel live and work freely in Europe and European countries passports have the words European Union on them. One would think that Europeans migrating to other EU countries would have priority. In reality it's not always the case. Some european countries have been known to discriminate against european migrants and favour non european migrants. I don't know if that is due to some hidden agenda by the EU itself or the agenda of some countries and departments who choose to ignore EU laws when it suits them. |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Daniel Silk on Jun 5, 2016 14:24:16 GMT 1, are you actually suggesting refugees are migrants?
No, Refugees is a much more complex question.
Example of what this question is about -
Should a French Migrant be able to go to Spain, easier than a Migrant from America, Morocco or any other Non EU country?
are you actually suggesting refugees are migrants? No, Refugees is a much more complex question. Example of what this question is about - Should a French Migrant be able to go to Spain, easier than a Migrant from America, Morocco or any other Non EU country? |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by .dappy on Jun 5, 2016 15:04:04 GMT 1, ... isn't this just another way of Leave Britain delibrately using the word 'migrant' but really referring to refugees and vice versa depending on the 'viewpoint' they are expressing?
... and delibrately confusioning the matter with economic migrants ...
... isn't this just another way of Leave Britain delibrately using the word 'migrant' but really referring to refugees and vice versa depending on the 'viewpoint' they are expressing?
... and delibrately confusioning the matter with economic migrants ...
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Daniel Silk on Jun 5, 2016 15:35:28 GMT 1, ... isn't this just another way of Leave Britain delibrately using the word 'migrant' but really referring to refugees and vice versa depending on the 'viewpoint' they are expressing? ... and delibrately confusioning the matter with economic migrants ...
If you want to talk of Refugees then a similar question could be asked.
Should Refugees from within the EU get priority over Refugees from the rest of the World? Including Syria, Iran, Iraq
The point is, why do so many people seem to think that people within the EU should have priority over those from outside the EU? Migrant, Refugee, Expat, Tourist
... isn't this just another way of Leave Britain delibrately using the word 'migrant' but really referring to refugees and vice versa depending on the 'viewpoint' they are expressing? ... and delibrately confusioning the matter with economic migrants ... If you want to talk of Refugees then a similar question could be asked. Should Refugees from within the EU get priority over Refugees from the rest of the World? Including Syria, Iran, Iraq The point is, why do so many people seem to think that people within the EU should have priority over those from outside the EU? Migrant, Refugee, Expat, Tourist |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by .dappy on Jun 5, 2016 16:29:39 GMT 1, ... refugees from within the EU? uhmmmm!
... refugees from within the EU? uhmmmm!
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Daniel Silk on Jun 5, 2016 16:45:20 GMT 1, ... refugees from within the EU? uhmmmm!
Exactly! This is not about refugees.
... refugees from within the EU? uhmmmm! Exactly! This is not about refugees. |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Daniel Silk on Jun 5, 2016 16:53:21 GMT 1, Dappy  You and Me live in the UK.
Why should we have total freedom to Migrant to any other EU country when people from outside the EU don't have that freedom also?
Dappy You and Me live in the UK. Why should we have total freedom to Migrant to any other EU country when people from outside the EU don't have that freedom also? |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by darwin on Jun 5, 2016 17:27:12 GMT 1, Dappy You and Me live in the UK. Why should we have total freedom to Migrant to any other EU country when people from outside the EU don't have that freedom also?
You have just answered your own question - because we're in the EU and they're not.
Dappy You and Me live in the UK. Why should we have total freedom to Migrant to any other EU country when people from outside the EU don't have that freedom also? You have just answered your own question - because we're in the EU and they're not. |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Daniel Silk on Jun 5, 2016 17:34:31 GMT 1, Dappy You and Me live in the UK. Why should we have total freedom to Migrant to any other EU country when people from outside the EU don't have that freedom also? You have just answered your own question - because we're in the EU and they're not.
So why not give those outside the EU the same freedom?
Dappy You and Me live in the UK. Why should we have total freedom to Migrant to any other EU country when people from outside the EU don't have that freedom also? You have just answered your own question - because we're in the EU and they're not. So why not give those outside the EU the same freedom? |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by darwin on Jun 5, 2016 17:59:49 GMT 1, You have just answered your own question - because we're in the EU and they're not. So why not give those outside the EU the same freedom?
Because they're not paying into the EU system. Freedom doesn't come for free.
You have just answered your own question - because we're in the EU and they're not. So why not give those outside the EU the same freedom? Because they're not paying into the EU system. Freedom doesn't come for free. |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Daniel Silk on Jun 5, 2016 18:42:44 GMT 1, So why not give those outside the EU the same freedom? Because they're not paying into the EU system. Freedom doesn't come for free.
So why not give those outside the EU the same freedom? Because they're not paying into the EU system. Freedom doesn't come for free. BBC - "Countries pay money into the EU budget and receive money back in the form of EU spending. It is therefore possible to work out which countries are net contributors and which net beneficiaries." |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Coach on Jun 5, 2016 18:57:09 GMT 1, Because they're not paying into the EU system. Freedom doesn't come for free. BBC - "Countries pay money into the EU budget and receive money back in the form of EU spending. It is therefore possible to work out which countries are net contributors and which net beneficiaries."
You cannot compare say Germany or UK to countries like Latvia or Lithuania in such a way. It should be by % of gdp.
Because they're not paying into the EU system. Freedom doesn't come for free. BBC - "Countries pay money into the EU budget and receive money back in the form of EU spending. It is therefore possible to work out which countries are net contributors and which net beneficiaries." You cannot compare say Germany or UK to countries like Latvia or Lithuania in such a way. It should be by % of gdp. |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by darwin on Jun 5, 2016 19:04:44 GMT 1, Because they're not paying into the EU system. Freedom doesn't come for free. BBC - "Countries pay money into the EU budget and receive money back in the form of EU spending. It is therefore possible to work out which countries are net contributors and which net beneficiaries."
Quite.
Again, you've sort of answered your own question. What you're looking there, in that table, is a closed network. Or a "club"' if you will.
If you are in the club, you are on the inside.
Therefore, if there is an "inside" it must follow that there is an "outside", no?
If the freedoms you describe were to exist, it would probably have to involve the breakup of EU altogether.
That's all I got.
Because they're not paying into the EU system. Freedom doesn't come for free. BBC - "Countries pay money into the EU budget and receive money back in the form of EU spending. It is therefore possible to work out which countries are net contributors and which net beneficiaries." Quite. Again, you've sort of answered your own question. What you're looking there, in that table, is a closed network. Or a "club"' if you will. If you are in the club, you are on the inside. Therefore, if there is an "inside" it must follow that there is an "outside", no? If the freedoms you describe were to exist, it would probably have to involve the breakup of EU altogether. That's all I got. |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Daniel Silk on Jun 5, 2016 19:33:10 GMT 1, So the ability to pay into the EU system doesn't seem stack up as reason for gaining the freedom to migrant within the EU. So why discriminate against other countries outside the EU? Why not allow them equal rights of freedom to move into and around all EU countries.
So the ability to pay into the EU system doesn't seem stack up as reason for gaining the freedom to migrant within the EU. So why discriminate against other countries outside the EU? Why not allow them equal rights of freedom to move into and around all EU countries.
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 19:44:40 GMT 1, So the ability to pay into the EU system doesn't seem stack up as reason for gaining the freedom to migrant within the EU. So why discriminate against other countries outside the EU? Why not allow them equal rights of freedom to move into and around all EU countries.
Africa, China, USA, Mars, Jupiter, Alpha Centauri, The Milky Way, are not part in Europe.
So the ability to pay into the EU system doesn't seem stack up as reason for gaining the freedom to migrant within the EU. So why discriminate against other countries outside the EU? Why not allow them equal rights of freedom to move into and around all EU countries. The name Europe gives a clue. Africa, China, USA, Mars, Jupiter, Alpha Centauri, The Milky Way, are not part in Europe. |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 20:03:35 GMT 1, Because they're not paying into the EU system. Freedom doesn't come for free. BBC - "Countries pay money into the EU budget and receive money back in the form of EU spending. It is therefore possible to work out which countries are net contributors and which net beneficiaries."
Because they're not paying into the EU system. Freedom doesn't come for free. BBC - "Countries pay money into the EU budget and receive money back in the form of EU spending. It is therefore possible to work out which countries are net contributors and which net beneficiaries." Thats an odd graph in as much as France gets money from the EU and so do other countries. It only shows countries contributions not what they recive. I heard France takes out more from the EU than it contributes ? |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Deleted on Jun 5, 2016 20:29:53 GMT 1, You have just answered your own question - because we're in the EU and they're not. So why not give those outside the EU the same freedom?
That would make for an interesting few decades
Would be handy to have a fast forward machine..................... Nope fucked up, rewind, lets try again a little differently
You have just answered your own question - because we're in the EU and they're not. So why not give those outside the EU the same freedom? Are you asking if you think anyone that lives anywhere in the world should be able to live anywhere else in the world, no hassles etc, and get the good or bad available from that country? That would make for an interesting few decades Would be handy to have a fast forward machine..................... Nope fucked up, rewind, lets try again a little differently |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by agu on Jun 5, 2016 21:35:34 GMT 1, Not sure I understand the original question. In the UK? When you say migrant, do you mean refugees, asylum seekers or economic migrants? If you mean economic migrants, there are already visa agreements in place for people outside of the EU.
I am pro economic migration. You are more like to work for a migrant han have your job taken. I am certainly pro refugee and asylum seekers, we have a moral responsibility to help these people. We should encourage select the economic migrants to help build the economy, and open our boards and hearts for those that need our support. I am "luke warm" about accepting anyone just because they are a member of a trading club, in a complex world blanket rule of "anyone in unlimited amounts from within a line" does not work.... which I understand to be the point of Mr Silks rather interesting question.
Not sure I understand the original question. In the UK? When you say migrant, do you mean refugees, asylum seekers or economic migrants? If you mean economic migrants, there are already visa agreements in place for people outside of the EU. You make a good point. As have many people on this thread (nods to Ploppi re: sale of arms). The subject and the reasons for migration are complex. Can UK do more YES. HOW many and WHO gets more complex? There is no simple answer. . I am pro economic migration. You are more like to work for a migrant han have your job taken. I am certainly pro refugee and asylum seekers, we have a moral responsibility to help these people. We should encourage select the economic migrants to help build the economy, and open our boards and hearts for those that need our support. I am "luke warm" about accepting anyone just because they are a member of a trading club, in a complex world blanket rule of "anyone in unlimited amounts from within a line" does not work.... which I understand to be the point of Mr Silks rather interesting question. |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Daniel Silk on Jun 6, 2016 20:11:48 GMT 1, Do you think this is correct -
The UK Government are under increasing pressure to reduce the total migration numbers entering the country, but due to EU laws they can't actually stop Migrants coming in from other countries within the EU. So, with the only numbers it has some control over being migrants from non EU countries, they tighten those rules to reduce those numbers to try and lower the total figures.
Do you think this is correct -
The UK Government are under increasing pressure to reduce the total migration numbers entering the country, but due to EU laws they can't actually stop Migrants coming in from other countries within the EU. So, with the only numbers it has some control over being migrants from non EU countries, they tighten those rules to reduce those numbers to try and lower the total figures.
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Coach on Jun 8, 2016 19:37:55 GMT 1, Because they're not paying into the EU system. Freedom doesn't come for free. BBC - "Countries pay money into the EU budget and receive money back in the form of EU spending. It is therefore possible to work out which countries are net contributors and which net beneficiaries."
It was mentioned on radio 4 today that the most up to date figures show that France now contributed more than the UK.
Because they're not paying into the EU system. Freedom doesn't come for free. BBC - "Countries pay money into the EU budget and receive money back in the form of EU spending. It is therefore possible to work out which countries are net contributors and which net beneficiaries." It was mentioned on radio 4 today that the most up to date figures show that France now contributed more than the UK. |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Deleted on Jun 8, 2016 22:23:52 GMT 1, It's actually the taxpayers who contribute to the EU budget and the Dutch contribute more per head than any other country.
How the money is redistributed and who it actually benefits is often a mystery.
It's actually the taxpayers who contribute to the EU budget and the Dutch contribute more per head than any other country.
How the money is redistributed and who it actually benefits is often a mystery.
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by iamzero on Jun 10, 2016 18:44:35 GMT 1, There seems to be an awful lot of posts and discussions about "immigrants" lately. Maybe the EU referendum is stoking a lot of fear in the UK as Trump is in the US.
Ironic that you pose this question here and then when showed what kind of fear is being stoked in the UK you lazily brand me racist and right wing. Shame on you for attacking the messenger. Not a bother... I'll happily accept an apology via PM.
There seems to be an awful lot of posts and discussions about "immigrants" lately. Maybe the EU referendum is stoking a lot of fear in the UK as Trump is in the US. Ironic that you pose this question here and then when showed what kind of fear is being stoked in the UK you lazily brand me racist and right wing. Shame on you for attacking the messenger. Not a bother... I'll happily accept an apology via PM. |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 18:50:40 GMT 1, are you actually suggesting refugees are migrants? No, Refugees is a much more complex question. Example of what this question is about - Should a French Migrant be able to go to Spain, easier than a Migrant from America, Morocco or any other Non EU country?
are you actually suggesting refugees are migrants? No, Refugees is a much more complex question. Example of what this question is about - Should a French Migrant be able to go to Spain, easier than a Migrant from America, Morocco or any other Non EU country? Yes |
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Should all Migrants be treated Equally?, by Deleted on Jun 10, 2016 19:06:04 GMT 1, Two guys who make good points and documentaries. Darcus Howe, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darcus_Howe made a documentary about racism in Birmingham. His documentary has been banned from Youtube for not complying with Youtube rules.
Trevor Phillips en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Phillips Trevor Phillips was the chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality during the Blair government and he said this amongst other things.
"Multiculturalism has become a ‘racket’ in many parts of the country, with self-styled community leaders battling for funds which prop up their authority and entrench segregation."
Whether its mass immigration into Germany, or any European country. Some people are making a fortune out of it. When the local mayors and police and politicians of various European countries cover up crimes or blame the victims. The truth is that they are siding with criminals and they are profiting from covering these type of crimes up. As far as I am concerned, any politician or police etc who cover up crimes, are criminals themselves.
The same people making money and covering up these type of crimes are behind stoking the fires of right wing nationalism in order to discredit the truth coming out.
I don't care where people come from as long as they behave themselves.
Two guys who make good points and documentaries. Darcus Howe, en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Darcus_Howe made a documentary about racism in Birmingham. His documentary has been banned from Youtube for not complying with Youtube rules. Trevor Phillips en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trevor_Phillips Trevor Phillips was the chairman of the Commission for Racial Equality during the Blair government and he said this amongst other things.
"Multiculturalism has become a ‘racket’ in many parts of the country, with self-styled community leaders battling for funds which prop up their authority and entrench segregation."
Whether its mass immigration into Germany, or any European country. Some people are making a fortune out of it. When the local mayors and police and politicians of various European countries cover up crimes or blame the victims. The truth is that they are siding with criminals and they are profiting from covering these type of crimes up. As far as I am concerned, any politician or police etc who cover up crimes, are criminals themselves.
The same people making money and covering up these type of crimes are behind stoking the fires of right wing nationalism in order to discredit the truth coming out.
I don't care where people come from as long as they behave themselves.
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