Ottomatik
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Brexit & Pricing - , by Ottomatik on Jun 16, 2016 4:08:20 GMT 1, If this comes across as patronising, i don't care.. I dont think those sort of people should be allowed to vote as their opinions are ill informed.
I can't even........ Wow. You're one self righteous chap, aren't ya?
If this comes across as patronising, i don't care.. I dont think those sort of people should be allowed to vote as their opinions are ill informed. I can't even........ Wow. You're one self righteous chap, aren't ya?
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nex
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Brexit & Pricing - , by nex on Jun 16, 2016 5:06:41 GMT 1, If this comes across as patronising, i don't care... i think it is funny that those who are in the unskilled jobs in this country are mostly the ones feeling hard done by and voting to exit. However they are digging their own graves by being so ill informed and for the most part, racist. They will be the very first ones to find themselves in a recession and jobless. Banging your chest shouting engeeerrrrlandd is all very well, but those people will be the first to moan again when they are all f**ked. i dont think those sort of people should be allowed to vote as their opinions are ill informed. im in, but i sort of want it to go tits up to show all those morons what they did. Ill informed? Theres some pretty big sweeping generalisations in there mate.... You clearly believe leaving the EU will f*cks**t up for people, yet it could be argued ANY change is better than the current status quo in GB. With the sustained attack on lower class living by the Govt is it any surprise these so-called ill informed types have had enough...? Politicians aren't working FOR the Average Joes. They are working against them. If leaving the EU gives hope that there could be change for the better, why would you want to keep it the way it is, when for the average working class family things are getting harder and harder?? Perhaps, by and large, the Banksy Forum is hardly a microcosm of Brit society. Theres lots of lovely lolly being waved around here, afterall.
do you think boris Johnson and farage are for the average Joe ?
If this comes across as patronising, i don't care... i think it is funny that those who are in the unskilled jobs in this country are mostly the ones feeling hard done by and voting to exit. However they are digging their own graves by being so ill informed and for the most part, racist. They will be the very first ones to find themselves in a recession and jobless. Banging your chest shouting engeeerrrrlandd is all very well, but those people will be the first to moan again when they are all f**ked. i dont think those sort of people should be allowed to vote as their opinions are ill informed. im in, but i sort of want it to go tits up to show all those morons what they did. Ill informed? Theres some pretty big sweeping generalisations in there mate.... You clearly believe leaving the EU will f*cks**t up for people, yet it could be argued ANY change is better than the current status quo in GB. With the sustained attack on lower class living by the Govt is it any surprise these so-called ill informed types have had enough...? Politicians aren't working FOR the Average Joes. They are working against them. If leaving the EU gives hope that there could be change for the better, why would you want to keep it the way it is, when for the average working class family things are getting harder and harder?? Perhaps, by and large, the Banksy Forum is hardly a microcosm of Brit society. Theres lots of lovely lolly being waved around here, afterall. do you think boris Johnson and farage are for the average Joe ?
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misterx
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Brexit & Pricing - , by misterx on Jun 16, 2016 5:35:40 GMT 1, Ill informed? Theres some pretty big sweeping generalisations in there mate.... You clearly believe leaving the EU will f*cks**t up for people, yet it could be argued ANY change is better than the current status quo in GB. With the sustained attack on lower class living by the Govt is it any surprise these so-called ill informed types have had enough...? Politicians aren't working FOR the Average Joes. They are working against them. If leaving the EU gives hope that there could be change for the better, why would you want to keep it the way it is, when for the average working class family things are getting harder and harder?? Perhaps, by and large, the Banksy Forum is hardly a microcosm of Brit society. Theres lots of lovely lolly being waved around here, afterall. do you think boris Johnson and farage are for the average Joe ? Aren't they politicians? See above.
Ill informed? Theres some pretty big sweeping generalisations in there mate.... You clearly believe leaving the EU will f*cks**t up for people, yet it could be argued ANY change is better than the current status quo in GB. With the sustained attack on lower class living by the Govt is it any surprise these so-called ill informed types have had enough...? Politicians aren't working FOR the Average Joes. They are working against them. If leaving the EU gives hope that there could be change for the better, why would you want to keep it the way it is, when for the average working class family things are getting harder and harder?? Perhaps, by and large, the Banksy Forum is hardly a microcosm of Brit society. Theres lots of lovely lolly being waved around here, afterall. do you think boris Johnson and farage are for the average Joe ? Aren't they politicians? See above.
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Brexit & Pricing - , by spencerlee on Jun 16, 2016 6:01:31 GMT 1, Freerange is right. Somehow all the problems in this country seem to be now blamed on the EU and immigrants. Everything I have read suggests Brexit will be a disaster, but there are swathes of people chanting BRITAIN FIRST and clinging onto this 'extra' 350 million we will magically have. I heard Boris on the radio and he was making it up as he went along. If we leave this will be a terrible place.
In answer to the question about this 'asset class'. Yes, UK people will have more sales to overseas in the short term as the pound will slump. A minor victory really.
Freerange is right. Somehow all the problems in this country seem to be now blamed on the EU and immigrants. Everything I have read suggests Brexit will be a disaster, but there are swathes of people chanting BRITAIN FIRST and clinging onto this 'extra' 350 million we will magically have. I heard Boris on the radio and he was making it up as he went along. If we leave this will be a terrible place.
In answer to the question about this 'asset class'. Yes, UK people will have more sales to overseas in the short term as the pound will slump. A minor victory really.
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nex
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Brexit & Pricing - , by nex on Jun 16, 2016 6:35:52 GMT 1, do you think boris Johnson and farage are for the average Joe ? Aren't they politicians? See above.
Oops yes the point I was clumsily making is I don't know how anyone could place those two at the front of an argument which would help the working class (not that you were)
do you think boris Johnson and farage are for the average Joe ? Aren't they politicians? See above. Oops yes the point I was clumsily making is I don't know how anyone could place those two at the front of an argument which would help the working class (not that you were)
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misterx
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Brexit & Pricing - , by misterx on Jun 16, 2016 7:37:48 GMT 1, IMO i don't think thats what the working class ARE thinking.
Boris means nothing to the average person who is finding it harder and harder to make ends meet. Even basic needs...
I think Britains economic choices, at the expense of the Little Guy, is what will cause people to vote OUT.
People are pissed off, their standard of living is dropping.
They want change. They demand change. They are desperate.
Along comes a referendum which gives the Little Guy a chance to stick it to the Govt, regardless of whether it makes sense to you or I.
I can understand that.
IMO i don't think thats what the working class ARE thinking.
Boris means nothing to the average person who is finding it harder and harder to make ends meet. Even basic needs...
I think Britains economic choices, at the expense of the Little Guy, is what will cause people to vote OUT.
People are pissed off, their standard of living is dropping.
They want change. They demand change. They are desperate.
Along comes a referendum which gives the Little Guy a chance to stick it to the Govt, regardless of whether it makes sense to you or I.
I can understand that.
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spencerlee
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Brexit & Pricing - , by spencerlee on Jun 16, 2016 7:52:12 GMT 1, The Little Guys are being whipped into a frenzy by the rich media owners and politicians telling them the EU is the cause of all our problems. The public are swayed into voting out, which WILL make life worse for all of us...so it's stupid. Sadly, they will only see this after the event if it happens.
Any room in Australia for me?
The Little Guys are being whipped into a frenzy by the rich media owners and politicians telling them the EU is the cause of all our problems. The public are swayed into voting out, which WILL make life worse for all of us...so it's stupid. Sadly, they will only see this after the event if it happens.
Any room in Australia for me?
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Brexit & Pricing - , by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 8:32:07 GMT 1, I try not to get involved in these threads as it always deteriorates into a row but when someone disses chas and dave.......
The majority of People will generally vote on what affects/affected them personally and not the greater good. More so because the so called professionals bicering have no idea on the impact themselves and hence most voters are ill advised. Most people I speak to at varying levels of education are voting on the back of one maybe 2 items. If I speak to friends from the east end the majority are voting on immigration as they feel negatively impacted by it. If I speak to city types they are voting remain, based on keeping their jobs. I'm still deciding personally, but Bob Geldof sticking his nose in hasn't done remain any favours. Anyway if you're in a polling station and hear someone in a booth saying IP DIP DO... it's probably me.
I try not to get involved in these threads as it always deteriorates into a row but when someone disses chas and dave.......
The majority of People will generally vote on what affects/affected them personally and not the greater good. More so because the so called professionals bicering have no idea on the impact themselves and hence most voters are ill advised. Most people I speak to at varying levels of education are voting on the back of one maybe 2 items. If I speak to friends from the east end the majority are voting on immigration as they feel negatively impacted by it. If I speak to city types they are voting remain, based on keeping their jobs. I'm still deciding personally, but Bob Geldof sticking his nose in hasn't done remain any favours. Anyway if you're in a polling station and hear someone in a booth saying IP DIP DO... it's probably me.
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Brexit & Pricing - , by FЯ on Jun 16, 2016 9:19:25 GMT 1, IMO i don't think thats what the working class ARE thinking. Boris means nothing to the average person who is finding it harder and harder to make ends meet. Even basic needs... I think Britains economic choices, at the expense of the Little Guy, is what will cause people to vote OUT. People are pissed off, their standard of living is dropping. They want change. They demand change. They are desperate. Along comes a referendum which gives the Little Guy a chance to stick it to the Govt, regardless of whether it makes sense to you or I. I can understand that. if they are pissed at their standard of living now, wait until the cuts are made if you vote out.
IMO i don't think thats what the working class ARE thinking. Boris means nothing to the average person who is finding it harder and harder to make ends meet. Even basic needs... I think Britains economic choices, at the expense of the Little Guy, is what will cause people to vote OUT. People are pissed off, their standard of living is dropping. They want change. They demand change. They are desperate. Along comes a referendum which gives the Little Guy a chance to stick it to the Govt, regardless of whether it makes sense to you or I. I can understand that. if they are pissed at their standard of living now, wait until the cuts are made if you vote out.
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misterx
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Brexit & Pricing - , by misterx on Jun 16, 2016 9:24:47 GMT 1, The Little Guys are being whipped into a frenzy by the rich media owners and politicians telling them the EU is the cause of all our problems. The public are swayed into voting out, which WILL make life worse for all of us...so it's stupid. Sadly, they will only see this after the event if it happens. Any room in Australia for me? We DO have a spare room!
Bring yer art!
The Little Guys are being whipped into a frenzy by the rich media owners and politicians telling them the EU is the cause of all our problems. The public are swayed into voting out, which WILL make life worse for all of us...so it's stupid. Sadly, they will only see this after the event if it happens. Any room in Australia for me? We DO have a spare room! Bring yer art!
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Brexit & Pricing - , by misterx on Jun 16, 2016 9:32:03 GMT 1, IMO i don't think thats what the working class ARE thinking. Boris means nothing to the average person who is finding it harder and harder to make ends meet. Even basic needs... I think Britains economic choices, at the expense of the Little Guy, is what will cause people to vote OUT. People are pissed off, their standard of living is dropping. They want change. They demand change. They are desperate. Along comes a referendum which gives the Little Guy a chance to stick it to the Govt, regardless of whether it makes sense to you or I. I can understand that. if they are pissed at their standard of living now, wait until the cuts are made if you vote out. Does anyone actually know what the ramifications will be with any conviction?
Seeing as its never happened before?
IMO i don't think thats what the working class ARE thinking. Boris means nothing to the average person who is finding it harder and harder to make ends meet. Even basic needs... I think Britains economic choices, at the expense of the Little Guy, is what will cause people to vote OUT. People are pissed off, their standard of living is dropping. They want change. They demand change. They are desperate. Along comes a referendum which gives the Little Guy a chance to stick it to the Govt, regardless of whether it makes sense to you or I. I can understand that. if they are pissed at their standard of living now, wait until the cuts are made if you vote out. Does anyone actually know what the ramifications will be with any conviction? Seeing as its never happened before?
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Brexit & Pricing - , by FЯ on Jun 16, 2016 9:39:19 GMT 1, if they are pissed at their standard of living now, wait until the cuts are made if you vote out. Does anyone actually know what the ramifications will be with any conviction? Seeing as its never happened before? well they need to get back that £30bn they would lose somewhere.
and it certainly is not coming from those who are digging their own grave!
if they are pissed at their standard of living now, wait until the cuts are made if you vote out. Does anyone actually know what the ramifications will be with any conviction? Seeing as its never happened before? well they need to get back that £30bn they would lose somewhere. and it certainly is not coming from those who are digging their own grave!
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Brexit & Pricing - , by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 9:58:16 GMT 1, Where is Met when he is needed most, he will sort this out once and for all
Where is Met when he is needed most, he will sort this out once and for all
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Number48
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Brexit & Pricing - , by Number48 on Jun 16, 2016 10:21:26 GMT 1, if they are pissed at their standard of living now, wait until the cuts are made if you vote out. Does anyone actually know what the ramifications will be with any conviction? Seeing as its never happened before?
Short term carnage, recession unavoidable, consumer confidence shattered, many businesses shut down, government change, UK adopts broad protectionist immigration policies with the hope of maintaining the benefits associated with membership of the free market (pipe dream) export prospects improved due to the weak pound - Europe begins the long road of dismantlement and we take a big step back -
Long term everything levels out and we get used to the new norm - wealthy remain wealthy, poor remain poor, immigrants have children and become British, more people stay home and holiday in the UK, tourism as an export increases, longer q's at airports - sun goes down moon comes up - Banksy still doesn't relaese another general print, STIK auctions for £1M at Phillips for a damaged Liberty - The for sales thred is shut off again for a month or so....
It will all be fine but on balance I think there is a compelling argument to remain -
if they are pissed at their standard of living now, wait until the cuts are made if you vote out. Does anyone actually know what the ramifications will be with any conviction? Seeing as its never happened before? Short term carnage, recession unavoidable, consumer confidence shattered, many businesses shut down, government change, UK adopts broad protectionist immigration policies with the hope of maintaining the benefits associated with membership of the free market (pipe dream) export prospects improved due to the weak pound - Europe begins the long road of dismantlement and we take a big step back - Long term everything levels out and we get used to the new norm - wealthy remain wealthy, poor remain poor, immigrants have children and become British, more people stay home and holiday in the UK, tourism as an export increases, longer q's at airports - sun goes down moon comes up - Banksy still doesn't relaese another general print, STIK auctions for £1M at Phillips for a damaged Liberty - The for sales thred is shut off again for a month or so.... It will all be fine but on balance I think there is a compelling argument to remain -
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Brexit & Pricing - , by Deleted on Jun 16, 2016 10:42:36 GMT 1, It wont be fine in Scotland if the vote is to leave as we will then be faced with yet another independence referendum and that was torture. Even the YES voters in our referendum were totally f@cked off by the outright lies and rhetoric (of both sides) come 18th September 2014.
It wont be fine in Scotland if the vote is to leave as we will then be faced with yet another independence referendum and that was torture. Even the YES voters in our referendum were totally f@cked off by the outright lies and rhetoric (of both sides) come 18th September 2014.
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bigv
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Brexit & Pricing - , by bigv on Jun 18, 2016 18:29:48 GMT 1, <quote>There is a reason why the Chinese are making fake Italian handbags and the Italians aren’t making fake Chinese ones. This European culture, without question or argument, is the greatest, most inventive, subtle, profound, beautiful and powerful genius that was ever contrived anywhere by anyone and it belongs to us. Just look at my day job — food. The change in food culture and pleasure has been enormous since we joined the EU, and that’s no coincidence. What we eat, the ingredients, the recipes, may come from around the world, but it is the collective to and fro of European interests, expertise and imagination that has made it all so very appetising and exciting.</quote>
I think the European culture part of this wrong, it's western culture that Brexit is looking to preserve. Same goes for America and Trump. He's not my ideal candidate, but he's far and away better than Hillary. Multi-culturalism, as envisioned by liberal Europe and liberal America, has failed and it's because other cultures, by and large, are not assimilating into the culture they're coming to. Western civilization made it possible for different cultures to exist peacefully with one another, and now the unending immigration from societies and cultures that do not value the freedom of speech, the freedom of assembly, the freedom of religion, and many more things we take for granted is threatening to overturn centuries of progress in the name of making us, and subjecting us to, what they're "fleeing".
I know this not on the subject of art per se, but look at it through this lens. The beautiful renaissance masterpieces, the thought provoking commentary of graffiti art, and beauty of the female form in general are at risk of being banished in the name of being offensive to certain groups of people. Is this an advocation against closing the door to all immigrants and refugees, no it isn't. But the western world needs to get a handle on this situation before it gets out of control because political correctness kills and unfortunately, Europe is more politically correct than most places (except blue state college campuses in the US). People are finally realizing that it is not in their personal best interest to commit their taxes to a cause that threatens their existence in the not too distant future. </rant>
<quote>There is a reason why the Chinese are making fake Italian handbags and the Italians aren’t making fake Chinese ones. This European culture, without question or argument, is the greatest, most inventive, subtle, profound, beautiful and powerful genius that was ever contrived anywhere by anyone and it belongs to us. Just look at my day job — food. The change in food culture and pleasure has been enormous since we joined the EU, and that’s no coincidence. What we eat, the ingredients, the recipes, may come from around the world, but it is the collective to and fro of European interests, expertise and imagination that has made it all so very appetising and exciting.</quote>
I think the European culture part of this wrong, it's western culture that Brexit is looking to preserve. Same goes for America and Trump. He's not my ideal candidate, but he's far and away better than Hillary. Multi-culturalism, as envisioned by liberal Europe and liberal America, has failed and it's because other cultures, by and large, are not assimilating into the culture they're coming to. Western civilization made it possible for different cultures to exist peacefully with one another, and now the unending immigration from societies and cultures that do not value the freedom of speech, the freedom of assembly, the freedom of religion, and many more things we take for granted is threatening to overturn centuries of progress in the name of making us, and subjecting us to, what they're "fleeing".
I know this not on the subject of art per se, but look at it through this lens. The beautiful renaissance masterpieces, the thought provoking commentary of graffiti art, and beauty of the female form in general are at risk of being banished in the name of being offensive to certain groups of people. Is this an advocation against closing the door to all immigrants and refugees, no it isn't. But the western world needs to get a handle on this situation before it gets out of control because political correctness kills and unfortunately, Europe is more politically correct than most places (except blue state college campuses in the US). People are finally realizing that it is not in their personal best interest to commit their taxes to a cause that threatens their existence in the not too distant future. </rant>
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Brexit & Pricing - , by Daniel Silk on Jul 2, 2016 17:45:39 GMT 1, next.ft.com/content/a5442bd8-3eb4-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a
“Brexit has created a ridiculous opportunity … [and] international investors are swooping in. Anything that is A-grade quality is pretty much unaffected,” said Philip Hoffman, founder and chief executive of the Fine Art Group, an art investment and advisory firm."
next.ft.com/content/a5442bd8-3eb4-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a“Brexit has created a ridiculous opportunity … [and] international investors are swooping in. Anything that is A-grade quality is pretty much unaffected,” said Philip Hoffman, founder and chief executive of the Fine Art Group, an art investment and advisory firm."
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Brexit & Pricing - , by iamzero on Jul 3, 2016 1:07:11 GMT 1, <quote>There is a reason why the Chinese are making fake Italian handbags and the Italians aren’t making fake Chinese ones. This European culture, without question or argument, is the greatest, most inventive, subtle, profound, beautiful and powerful genius that was ever contrived anywhere by anyone and it belongs to us. Just look at my day job — food. The change in food culture and pleasure has been enormous since we joined the EU, and that’s no coincidence. What we eat, the ingredients, the recipes, may come from around the world, but it is the collective to and fro of European interests, expertise and imagination that has made it all so very appetising and exciting.</quote> I think the European culture part of this wrong, it's western culture that Brexit is looking to preserve. Same goes for America and Trump. He's not my ideal candidate, but he's far and away better than Hillary. Multi-culturalism, as envisioned by liberal Europe and liberal America, has failed and it's because other cultures, by and large, are not assimilating into the culture they're coming to. Western civilization made it possible for different cultures to exist peacefully with one another, and now the unending immigration from societies and cultures that do not value the freedom of speech, the freedom of assembly, the freedom of religion, and many more things we take for granted is threatening to overturn centuries of progress in the name of making us, and subjecting us to, what they're "fleeing". I know this not on the subject of art per se, but look at it through this lens. The beautiful renaissance masterpieces, the thought provoking commentary of graffiti art, and beauty of the female form in general are at risk of being banished in the name of being offensive to certain groups of people. Is this an advocation against closing the door to all immigrants and refugees, no it isn't. But the western world needs to get a handle on this situation before it gets out of control because political correctness kills and unfortunately, Europe is more politically correct than most places (except blue state college campuses in the US). People are finally realizing that it is not in their personal best interest to commit their taxes to a cause that threatens their existence in the not too distant future. </rant>
Great post well written.
<quote>There is a reason why the Chinese are making fake Italian handbags and the Italians aren’t making fake Chinese ones. This European culture, without question or argument, is the greatest, most inventive, subtle, profound, beautiful and powerful genius that was ever contrived anywhere by anyone and it belongs to us. Just look at my day job — food. The change in food culture and pleasure has been enormous since we joined the EU, and that’s no coincidence. What we eat, the ingredients, the recipes, may come from around the world, but it is the collective to and fro of European interests, expertise and imagination that has made it all so very appetising and exciting.</quote> I think the European culture part of this wrong, it's western culture that Brexit is looking to preserve. Same goes for America and Trump. He's not my ideal candidate, but he's far and away better than Hillary. Multi-culturalism, as envisioned by liberal Europe and liberal America, has failed and it's because other cultures, by and large, are not assimilating into the culture they're coming to. Western civilization made it possible for different cultures to exist peacefully with one another, and now the unending immigration from societies and cultures that do not value the freedom of speech, the freedom of assembly, the freedom of religion, and many more things we take for granted is threatening to overturn centuries of progress in the name of making us, and subjecting us to, what they're "fleeing". I know this not on the subject of art per se, but look at it through this lens. The beautiful renaissance masterpieces, the thought provoking commentary of graffiti art, and beauty of the female form in general are at risk of being banished in the name of being offensive to certain groups of people. Is this an advocation against closing the door to all immigrants and refugees, no it isn't. But the western world needs to get a handle on this situation before it gets out of control because political correctness kills and unfortunately, Europe is more politically correct than most places (except blue state college campuses in the US). People are finally realizing that it is not in their personal best interest to commit their taxes to a cause that threatens their existence in the not too distant future. </rant> Great post well written.
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Brexit & Pricing - , by Deleted on Jul 3, 2016 1:22:34 GMT 1, next.ft.com/content/a5442bd8-3eb4-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a“Brexit has created a ridiculous opportunity … [and] international investors are swooping in. Anything that is A-grade quality is pretty much unaffected,” said Philip Hoffman, founder and chief executive of the Fine Art Group, an art investment and advisory firm." Pinch of salt needed
next.ft.com/content/a5442bd8-3eb4-11e6-9f2c-36b487ebd80a“Brexit has created a ridiculous opportunity … [and] international investors are swooping in. Anything that is A-grade quality is pretty much unaffected,” said Philip Hoffman, founder and chief executive of the Fine Art Group, an art investment and advisory firm." Pinch of salt needed
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nex
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Brexit & Pricing - , by nex on Jul 3, 2016 2:04:14 GMT 1, <quote>There is a reason why the Chinese are making fake Italian handbags and the Italians aren’t making fake Chinese ones. This European culture, without question or argument, is the greatest, most inventive, subtle, profound, beautiful and powerful genius that was ever contrived anywhere by anyone and it belongs to us. Just look at my day job — food. The change in food culture and pleasure has been enormous since we joined the EU, and that’s no coincidence. What we eat, the ingredients, the recipes, may come from around the world, but it is the collective to and fro of European interests, expertise and imagination that has made it all so very appetising and exciting.</quote> I think the European culture part of this wrong, it's western culture that Brexit is looking to preserve. Same goes for America and Trump. He's not my ideal candidate, but he's far and away better than Hillary. Multi-culturalism, as envisioned by liberal Europe and liberal America, has failed and it's because other cultures, by and large, are not assimilating into the culture they're coming to. Western civilization made it possible for different cultures to exist peacefully with one another, and now the unending immigration from societies and cultures that do not value the freedom of speech, the freedom of assembly, the freedom of religion, and many more things we take for granted is threatening to overturn centuries of progress in the name of making us, and subjecting us to, what they're "fleeing". I know this not on the subject of art per se, but look at it through this lens. The beautiful renaissance masterpieces, the thought provoking commentary of graffiti art, and beauty of the female form in general are at risk of being banished in the name of being offensive to certain groups of people. Is this an advocation against closing the door to all immigrants and refugees, no it isn't. But the western world needs to get a handle on this situation before it gets out of control because political correctness kills and unfortunately, Europe is more politically correct than most places (except blue state college campuses in the US). People are finally realizing that it is not in their personal best interest to commit their taxes to a cause that threatens their existence in the not too distant future. </rant> Great post well written. Funny how two people can see such difference in the same words - I find that post quite disturbing, a subtle under text of bigotry and xenophobia, how we're more civilised and sophisticated... Sentiments I find divisive and disturbing - apologies
<quote>There is a reason why the Chinese are making fake Italian handbags and the Italians aren’t making fake Chinese ones. This European culture, without question or argument, is the greatest, most inventive, subtle, profound, beautiful and powerful genius that was ever contrived anywhere by anyone and it belongs to us. Just look at my day job — food. The change in food culture and pleasure has been enormous since we joined the EU, and that’s no coincidence. What we eat, the ingredients, the recipes, may come from around the world, but it is the collective to and fro of European interests, expertise and imagination that has made it all so very appetising and exciting.</quote> I think the European culture part of this wrong, it's western culture that Brexit is looking to preserve. Same goes for America and Trump. He's not my ideal candidate, but he's far and away better than Hillary. Multi-culturalism, as envisioned by liberal Europe and liberal America, has failed and it's because other cultures, by and large, are not assimilating into the culture they're coming to. Western civilization made it possible for different cultures to exist peacefully with one another, and now the unending immigration from societies and cultures that do not value the freedom of speech, the freedom of assembly, the freedom of religion, and many more things we take for granted is threatening to overturn centuries of progress in the name of making us, and subjecting us to, what they're "fleeing". I know this not on the subject of art per se, but look at it through this lens. The beautiful renaissance masterpieces, the thought provoking commentary of graffiti art, and beauty of the female form in general are at risk of being banished in the name of being offensive to certain groups of people. Is this an advocation against closing the door to all immigrants and refugees, no it isn't. But the western world needs to get a handle on this situation before it gets out of control because political correctness kills and unfortunately, Europe is more politically correct than most places (except blue state college campuses in the US). People are finally realizing that it is not in their personal best interest to commit their taxes to a cause that threatens their existence in the not too distant future. </rant> Great post well written. Funny how two people can see such difference in the same words - I find that post quite disturbing, a subtle under text of bigotry and xenophobia, how we're more civilised and sophisticated... Sentiments I find divisive and disturbing - apologies
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Brexit & Pricing - , by iamzero on Jul 3, 2016 8:37:42 GMT 1, I don't think you need to apologise for how you see things dude. Not sure where you see in that post that the western approach to things is more sophisticated though. I would hope that history has given us the right to agree to disagree and still get along.
I don't think you need to apologise for how you see things dude. Not sure where you see in that post that the western approach to things is more sophisticated though. I would hope that history has given us the right to agree to disagree and still get along.
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Brexit & Pricing - , by Deleted on Jul 4, 2016 15:15:06 GMT 1, What's the normal turn around time for flipping?
Would it be advised to flip faster when the UK does fully leave the EU (if indeed it does) or would it be advised to hold onto the prints for longer hoping for a higher return?
What's the normal turn around time for flipping?
Would it be advised to flip faster when the UK does fully leave the EU (if indeed it does) or would it be advised to hold onto the prints for longer hoping for a higher return?
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