Wonder if comrade will resign with dignity and not think he is bigger than any party or fight til the end putting labour in even more grave danger

I respect comrade for his views and beliefs, but he would have done better and had a greater reach in an industrial past of ours. Losing support, whether people were blairite are not , and staying on like a fighter, when support is dropping off, is showing arrogance.
The labour movement is at risk of fading into insignificance or splitting, when an effective opposition is needed.
Corbyn must shoulder some of the responsibility for the eu result because his lacklustre performance of wanting to be in was poor. He didn't put a strong enough remain argument in, highlighting too many negatives or ambiguities.
Seems to have disconnected with traditional labour voters who have moved to ukip.

UKIP is more like Tea Party than Sanders

Hi Otto.
The conservatives are right wing, and most aligned to your republicans. The Labour Party is left wing and most aligned to your democrats. We also have liberals, who simplistically might he described as centre ground. But they now have very few mp's after having gone in to coalition with the torys a few years ago and lost favour as a result.
But this is very simplistic. I believe that the US parties are quite a bit to the right of ours. So actually our torys are probably more aligned to your democrats.
Bernie Sanders would be comparable to Corbyn in terms of political persuasion, I think.
UKIP might be considered of a similar political persuasion to the Tea Party.
But I'm sure people will tear this to pieces, as it really is much more complex.

Last year Jeremy won a quarter of a million votes. Today he lost the confidence of 170 people who never supported him in the first place. Every one of those that resigned abstained on voting on the Welfare Bill, a bill that made the poor and disabled pay for  a further12 billion in cuts, Corbyn voted against.

The vote of no confidence by Labour MPs has no standing under Labour rules; it’s window-dressing a thoroughly undemocratic coup with a PR'd attempt to look democratic. It's allegedly orchestrated by Portland Communications, a political consultancy and public relations agency where Tony Blair’s arch spin-doctor, Alastair Campbell, is a senior advisor and the company is owned by current and former members of the Center Right of Labour.

More smoke n mirrors..

35 MPs nominated Jeremy last year and 40 stood with him today – an increase in parliamentary support if anything.

Hundreds of thousands have indicated their support for Jeremy in the last forty-eight hours. The UK needs to get behind him.

Yeah thanks didnt think of that.  . There's becoming lots of threads to ignore and less to read at the moment.

I think they will eventually, there's a groundswell of support from young people for a more empathic and caring Britain. Obviusly that's not going to happen overnight, but voters need to realise they're voting for a world for their kids to grow up in, and not for their own short term economic benefits, of which neither party can deliver, the center right of labour or the conservatives, same difference. Neoliberal economics leads to cuts in wages and services in order to increase profits that never return to the treasury. The workign class have been absolutely demonised by the media the last 10 years or so. Chavs, Benefit Street, cuts in University access for the poor. What happened to the pride that gave us Jamaican culture, Mods, Kitchen Sink dramas, David Hockney, Mike Leigh, Ken Loach, The Jam, Paul Weller, Ska, Drum n Bass, House, Dubstep, The Stone Roses....we're left with Sleaford Mods to fight a whole culture. There needs to be a concerted effort to lift the working class back into relevancy through culture. I believe a shift to the left, regardless of who is Labour leader, is an absolute neccessity. Everyone else wants zero hour contracts and wages to match those of Asia. It's going in one direction and for an ex pat looking at the UK from abroad, it's really obvious to see.

Older people vote and those in middle to higher income, so he won't win.

Adele's got it- right now.

Sadly it looks like he'll be forced out.. hopefully not. 


15 times Jeremy Corbyn was proven right

1. Apartheid: Jeremy was a staunch opponent of the Apartheid regime and a supporter of Nelson Mandela and the ANC. He was even arrested for protesting outside the South African embassy in 1984. Meanwhile David Cameron and Boris Johnson were busy posing for photos within their secretive all boys club.

2. Chile: Jeremy was an opponent of the brutal dictator Pinochet (an ally of the British government under Thatcher) and was a leading campaigner in the quest to bring him to justice. In 1998 Pinochet was arrested in London.

3. LGBT rights: As noted in Pink News, Jeremy was an early champion of LGBT rights. At a time when the Tories decried supporting LGBT rights as ‘loony left’, Jeremy voted against section 28 which sought to demonise same-sex relationships.

4. The Miners’ Strike: Jeremy went against the Labour leadership and fully supported the miners in their effort to prevent the total destruction of their industry and communities. Cabinet papers released last year prove that the NUM were correct to claim that there was a secret hit list of 75 pits which the government were determined to close within 3 years. Ex-mining areas still suffer from the devastating effects of de-industrialisation, particularly high unemployment.

5. Iraq: In the 1970s and 1980s, while the UK and other Western government were selling weapons to their ally Saddam Hussein, Jeremy campaigned and demonstrated against it, as well as protesting against the mass killings of Iraqi Kurds by Saddam’s regime.

6. Birmingham Six and Guildford Four: Jeremy was involved in the campaigns in support of the victims of these appalling miscarriages of justice. The wrongful convictions were eventually quashed.

7. Talking to Sinn Fein: In the 1980s, along with Tony Benn and other Labour MPs, Jeremy drew intense criticism for engaging in dialogue with Sinn Fein and inviting its representatives to the House of Commons. The government claimed it ‘would not talk to terrorists’ but we now know that by 1989, it was secretly engaged in talks. Sinn Fein has been a major party of the Northern Ireland government since 1998 and even the Queen and Prince Charles have now met with its leading figures.

8. Tuition fees: Jeremy opposed New Labour’s introduction of university tuition fees, which explicitly broke Labour’s 1997 election manifesto pledge, as well as all of the subsequent increases. Fees were then trebled under New Labour before being trebled again by the coalition government, leaving the average student in £53k of debt.

9. Private Finance Initiative (PFI): Jeremy argued against this method of funding the building of new schools and hospitals, which was used partly because New Labour had committed itself to Tory spending plans. Instead of financing projects through government borrowing, private finance would build the infrastructure and then lease to the government. PFI deals cost the taxpayer £10bn a year and we will end up paying more than £300bn for assets worth just £54.7bn.

10. Afghanistan: Going against the tide of political and public opinion in the wake of the 9/11 attacks, Jeremy opposed the invasion and occupation of Afghanistan in 2001. By 2009, most polls showed a majority of British people were against the war and Britain eventually withdrew its troops in October 2014.

11. Iraq, again: Jeremy saw through the ‘dodgy dossier’, the claims of weapons of mass destruction and campaigned and voted against the Iraq war in 2003. In doing so, he helped to organise the biggest demonstration in British history and remains a leading figure in the Stop the War Coalition.

12. Palestine: Jeremy has been a long-standing campaigner for the rights of the Palestinian people, beginning his advocacy at a time when Western public opinion was largely hostile to the Palestinian cause. Last year parliament overwhelmingly voted to recognise Palestine.

13. Public ownership of the railways: Jeremy has always advocated public ownership of our railways. The argument that privatisation would result in competition and thus lower fares has been proved to be entirely incorrect. Instead not only have fares rocketed year on year but the British taxpayer now subsidies the railways to the tune of £4bn a year, around four times the cost of the previous, publicly owned system.

14. Trident: Jeremy has been a long-term campaigner in CND, and has always opposed Britain having nuclear weapons – a difficult argument to make at the height of the Cold War. But now virtually all the polling evidence shows that a majority of people are against spending £100bn on a new generation of Trident nuclear weapons.

15. Austerity: Right from the beginning Jeremy argued and campaigned against austerity. Despite inheriting a situation where the economy was growing, Osborne’s austerity budgets plunged the UK into a double dip recession in April 2012 and by February 2013 Britain lost its AAA credit rating for the first time since the late 1970s. Five years of austerity later and the UK’s debt has actually risen from £1trn in 2010 to around £1.5trn today. The social cost has been shocking, leading to a rise in child poverty, an unprecedented fall in real wages and nearly 1 million people now reliant.

(Future) 16. Refugees: Jeremy is a proud supporter of increasing our refugee intake and doing more to help those fleeing war torn countries. Evidence shows the publics opinion is already changing towards refugees and in response David Cameron has offered to marginally increase the number allowed to settle in the UK.

Will there be a thread that you can create about the party you support and who you think would make their next pm? Boris? Lol

Feel free to create one on the cons to go with your Leave banner, for balance and all that.
Who would you vote as your next Tory leadership?

Could be Mr Hunt, such a strong supporter of the NHS and doctors with those magical skills of negotiating