Hubble Bubble
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Hubble Bubble on Jul 6, 2016 19:11:50 GMT 1, Whilst this is no laughing matter and (at four times longer than 'War and Peace') I haven't read it, I could barely contain a wry smile when I thought of the abuse and vitriol that would pour down from here if a Conservative government (and after the way they handled Brexit, I'm no lover of either of the main parties) had taken us (apparently unnecessarily) into a war that killed over 200,000 people.
But nary a comment on this.
I'm surprised.
Or am I?
Whilst this is no laughing matter and (at four times longer than 'War and Peace') I haven't read it, I could barely contain a wry smile when I thought of the abuse and vitriol that would pour down from here if a Conservative government (and after the way they handled Brexit, I'm no lover of either of the main parties) had taken us (apparently unnecessarily) into a war that killed over 200,000 people.
But nary a comment on this.
I'm surprised.
Or am I?
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Coach on Jul 6, 2016 19:25:54 GMT 1, Hi HB
Hope all is good with you, my friend.
I've been watching and reading about it with great interest.
However I have the distinct impression that quite a few members are becoming irritated by all the politics on the forum recently. I have got myself drawn in to commenting on those threads perhaps more than I should, mostly because I felt that comments made on those threads needed redressing.
I am trying hard to ignore those threads now, even though it's often not easy.
I did think about starting a thread on here. I expected silky to, tbh. But I decided against it. Not because of the political party involved. I am perfectly willing to say that I fundamentally disagree with Blair and many of the comments he has made today. I am appalled at the way the leader of the Labour Party behaved at that time. (Fwiw, I also think Corbyn's comments today were most statesmanlike). I decided against it purely because I was trying to respect the impression I have that other members are getting fed up with the amount of politics on here at the moment. I believe I would have done the same had it been the Tories that were involved.
Hi HB
Hope all is good with you, my friend.
I've been watching and reading about it with great interest.
However I have the distinct impression that quite a few members are becoming irritated by all the politics on the forum recently. I have got myself drawn in to commenting on those threads perhaps more than I should, mostly because I felt that comments made on those threads needed redressing.
I am trying hard to ignore those threads now, even though it's often not easy.
I did think about starting a thread on here. I expected silky to, tbh. But I decided against it. Not because of the political party involved. I am perfectly willing to say that I fundamentally disagree with Blair and many of the comments he has made today. I am appalled at the way the leader of the Labour Party behaved at that time. (Fwiw, I also think Corbyn's comments today were most statesmanlike). I decided against it purely because I was trying to respect the impression I have that other members are getting fed up with the amount of politics on here at the moment. I believe I would have done the same had it been the Tories that were involved.
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 19:36:10 GMT 1, Whilst this is no laughing matter and (at four times longer than 'War and Peace') I haven't read it, I could barely contain a wry smile when I thought of the abuse and vitriol that would pour down from here if a Conservative government (and after the way they handled Brexit, I'm no lover of either of the main parties) had taken us (apparently unnecessarily) into a war that killed over 200,000 people. But nary a comment on this. I'm surprised. Or am I?
The failings of the state ( and institutions ) have come thick and fast recently ( Hillsborough, Iraq War, Police working undercover, Orgreave, etc ) that one isn't really surprised any more. But this, and the failings I've just listed, just contribute to the populations erosion of faith in govt, and who it's working for.
And while commentators are saying that the Iraq War started this distrust, the UK has fallen for the lies yet again in it's vote to leave the EU.
www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-referendum-chilcot-inquiry-report-no-iraq-war-exit-plan-learned-nothing-a7122721.html
Whilst this is no laughing matter and (at four times longer than 'War and Peace') I haven't read it, I could barely contain a wry smile when I thought of the abuse and vitriol that would pour down from here if a Conservative government (and after the way they handled Brexit, I'm no lover of either of the main parties) had taken us (apparently unnecessarily) into a war that killed over 200,000 people. But nary a comment on this. I'm surprised. Or am I? As it happened 13 years ago, and the world is a lot different now, I think vitriol has been kept internal by people on here. Plus Chilcott has only legitimised what most of us knew anyway. The failings of the state ( and institutions ) have come thick and fast recently ( Hillsborough, Iraq War, Police working undercover, Orgreave, etc ) that one isn't really surprised any more. But this, and the failings I've just listed, just contribute to the populations erosion of faith in govt, and who it's working for. And while commentators are saying that the Iraq War started this distrust, the UK has fallen for the lies yet again in it's vote to leave the EU. www.independent.co.uk/voices/brexit-eu-referendum-chilcot-inquiry-report-no-iraq-war-exit-plan-learned-nothing-a7122721.html |
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Reader on Jul 6, 2016 19:52:32 GMT 1, Whilst this is no laughing matter and (at four times longer than 'War and Peace') I haven't read it, I could barely contain a wry smile when I thought of the abuse and vitriol that would pour down from here if a Conservative government (and after the way they handled Brexit, I'm no lover of either of the main parties) had taken us (apparently unnecessarily) into a war that killed over 200,000 people. But nary a comment on this. I'm surprised. Or am I?
Whilst this is no laughing matter and (at four times longer than 'War and Peace') I haven't read it, I could barely contain a wry smile when I thought of the abuse and vitriol that would pour down from here if a Conservative government (and after the way they handled Brexit, I'm no lover of either of the main parties) had taken us (apparently unnecessarily) into a war that killed over 200,000 people. But nary a comment on this. I'm surprised. Or am I? Corbyn was our response, Blairs a Tory. |
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 19:52:55 GMT 1, Blair and his crocodile tears.
What was made public today in the report and the important points could have been published years ago by Chilcot. Was he looking for a way to exhonerate Blair and blame bad information on Mi6 etc?
Saddam Hussein asked for elimination.
He constantly threatened the west and America with annihilation and rattled his sabor too many times.
www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/iraq/sadquots.htm
He took a plane load of Brits hostage and used them as human shields.
Blair might be considered bad for waging war against Saddams regime.
On the other hand Thatcher did arms deals with saddam after he had gassed thousands of Kurds.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attack
Plus Thatcher guaranteed the payments to UK arms manufacturers if Saddam faled to pay.
"How ยฃ1bn was lost when Thatcher propped up Saddam "
www.theguardian.com/world/2003/feb/28/iraq.politics1
"The British taxpayer has unknowingly picked up huge bills for helping to arm Iraq before the last Gulf war, the Guardian can disclose.
The government has secretly written cheques totalling more than ยฃ33m for arms companies who supplied Saddam Hussein in the 1980s.
The files on these disastrous insurance deals have been locked up for 12 years since they were secretly authorised by Margaret Thatcher. The total loss to the taxpayer on military and civil credit sales her administration carried out with Iraq now exceeds ยฃ1bn."
www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/feb/28/uk.iraq
Blair and his crocodile tears. What was made public today in the report and the important points could have been published years ago by Chilcot. Was he looking for a way to exhonerate Blair and blame bad information on Mi6 etc? Saddam Hussein asked for elimination. He constantly threatened the west and America with annihilation and rattled his sabor too many times. www.au.af.mil/au/awc/awcgate/iraq/sadquots.htmHe took a plane load of Brits hostage and used them as human shields. Blair might be considered bad for waging war against Saddams regime. On the other hand Thatcher did arms deals with saddam after he had gassed thousands of Kurds. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Halabja_chemical_attackPlus Thatcher guaranteed the payments to UK arms manufacturers if Saddam faled to pay. "How ยฃ1bn was lost when Thatcher propped up Saddam "www.theguardian.com/world/2003/feb/28/iraq.politics1
"The British taxpayer has unknowingly picked up huge bills for helping to arm Iraq before the last Gulf war, the Guardian can disclose.
The government has secretly written cheques totalling more than ยฃ33m for arms companies who supplied Saddam Hussein in the 1980s.
The files on these disastrous insurance deals have been locked up for 12 years since they were secretly authorised by Margaret Thatcher. The total loss to the taxpayer on military and civil credit sales her administration carried out with Iraq now exceeds ยฃ1bn."www.theguardian.com/politics/2003/feb/28/uk.iraq |
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 20:12:52 GMT 1, twitter.com/chilcotbot
The Chilcot Report, one tweet at a time
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by iamzero on Jul 6, 2016 20:37:34 GMT 1, Proof, if any were needed that while the banner wavers like to protest about regimes and humanitarian issues in overseas lands we can not and should not always remove leaders we don't like no matter how mad they may be. We shouldn't force our western democracy on countries that just aren't ready to accept it. We may not people like crazy Saddam but at least he kept a lid on the things over there to some degree. I have no doubt if a Tory leader took us into this failed fake war we wouldn't have heard the last of it. I guess we can only be thankful the last one in charge didn't go and gatecrash Syrias house party.
Proof, if any were needed that while the banner wavers like to protest about regimes and humanitarian issues in overseas lands we can not and should not always remove leaders we don't like no matter how mad they may be. We shouldn't force our western democracy on countries that just aren't ready to accept it. We may not people like crazy Saddam but at least he kept a lid on the things over there to some degree. I have no doubt if a Tory leader took us into this failed fake war we wouldn't have heard the last of it. I guess we can only be thankful the last one in charge didn't go and gatecrash Syrias house party.
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Reader on Jul 6, 2016 21:10:15 GMT 1,
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Hubble Bubble
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Hubble Bubble on Jul 6, 2016 22:15:23 GMT 1, Whilst this is no laughing matter and (at four times longer than 'War and Peace') I haven't read it, I could barely contain a wry smile when I thought of the abuse and vitriol that would pour down from here if a Conservative government (and after the way they handled Brexit, I'm no lover of either of the main parties) had taken us (apparently unnecessarily) into a war that killed over 200,000 people. But nary a comment on this. I'm surprised. Or am I? Corbyn was our response, Blairs a Tory.
And how's that Corbyn thing going?
Whilst this is no laughing matter and (at four times longer than 'War and Peace') I haven't read it, I could barely contain a wry smile when I thought of the abuse and vitriol that would pour down from here if a Conservative government (and after the way they handled Brexit, I'm no lover of either of the main parties) had taken us (apparently unnecessarily) into a war that killed over 200,000 people. But nary a comment on this. I'm surprised. Or am I? Corbyn was our response, Blairs a Tory. And how's that Corbyn thing going? |
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 22:17:52 GMT 1, Proof, if any were needed that while the banner wavers like to protest about regimes and humanitarian issues in overseas lands we can not and should not always remove leaders we don't like no matter how mad they may be. We shouldn't force our western democracy on countries that just aren't ready to accept it. We may not people like crazy Saddam but at least he kept a lid on the things over there to some degree. I have no doubt if a Tory leader took us into this failed fake war we wouldn't have heard the last of it. I guess we can only be thankful the last one in charge didn't go and gatecrash Syrias house party.
Proof, if any were needed that while the banner wavers like to protest about regimes and humanitarian issues in overseas lands we can not and should not always remove leaders we don't like no matter how mad they may be. We shouldn't force our western democracy on countries that just aren't ready to accept it. We may not people like crazy Saddam but at least he kept a lid on the things over there to some degree. I have no doubt if a Tory leader took us into this failed fake war we wouldn't have heard the last of it. I guess we can only be thankful the last one in charge didn't go and gatecrash Syrias house party. The world would be a better place without the arms industry, bankers and religion. |
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Reader on Jul 6, 2016 23:01:42 GMT 1, Corbyn was our response, Blairs a Tory. And how's that Corbyn thing going?
Corbyn
If you're an open minded community based citizen who's wish is for a fairer more equal society based on inclusivity and love, and you want this instilled in your kids in order that they can become genuinely thoughtful and caring individuals, thus building a better future for everyone, it's going really really well thanks.
However, if you're a self centered xenophobe who believes there's no such thing as "society" and that humans are naturally inclined to competition and survival of the fittest and should be governed and indoctrinated by a system developed and imposed by those born into positions of power and wealth...and who want to maintain their position through the enforced servitude and impoverishment of the masses, then I can understand Corbyn is probably not for you ;-)
Corbyn was our response, Blairs a Tory. And how's that Corbyn thing going? Corbyn If you're an open minded community based citizen who's wish is for a fairer more equal society based on inclusivity and love, and you want this instilled in your kids in order that they can become genuinely thoughtful and caring individuals, thus building a better future for everyone, it's going really really well thanks. However, if you're a self centered xenophobe who believes there's no such thing as "society" and that humans are naturally inclined to competition and survival of the fittest and should be governed and indoctrinated by a system developed and imposed by those born into positions of power and wealth...and who want to maintain their position through the enforced servitude and impoverishment of the masses, then I can understand Corbyn is probably not for you ;-) |
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Deleted on Jul 6, 2016 23:04:19 GMT 1, 
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Hubble Bubble
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Hubble Bubble on Jul 6, 2016 23:35:26 GMT 1, And how's that Corbyn thing going? Corbyn If you're an open minded community based citizen who's wish is for a fairer more equal society based on inclusivity and love, and you want this instilled in your kids in order that they can become genuinely thoughtful and caring individuals, thus building a better future for everyone, it's going really really well thanks. However, if you're a self centered xenophobe who believes there's no such thing as "society" and that humans are naturally inclined to competition and survival of the fittest and should be governed and indoctrinated by a system developed and imposed by those born into positions of power and wealth...and who want to maintain their position through the enforced servitude and impoverishment of the masses, then I can understand Corbyn is probably not for you ;-)
Sounds like you've decided I'm a self centred xenophobe who supports enforced servitude and impoverishment of the masses.
An intriguing deduction from an open minded community based citizen.
I was just wondering how it was going with the Jeremy thing and wish you and your beliefs nothing but success.
And how's that Corbyn thing going? Corbyn If you're an open minded community based citizen who's wish is for a fairer more equal society based on inclusivity and love, and you want this instilled in your kids in order that they can become genuinely thoughtful and caring individuals, thus building a better future for everyone, it's going really really well thanks. However, if you're a self centered xenophobe who believes there's no such thing as "society" and that humans are naturally inclined to competition and survival of the fittest and should be governed and indoctrinated by a system developed and imposed by those born into positions of power and wealth...and who want to maintain their position through the enforced servitude and impoverishment of the masses, then I can understand Corbyn is probably not for you ;-) Sounds like you've decided I'm a self centred xenophobe who supports enforced servitude and impoverishment of the masses. An intriguing deduction from an open minded community based citizen. I was just wondering how it was going with the Jeremy thing and wish you and your beliefs nothing but success. |
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Reader on Jul 7, 2016 8:07:29 GMT 1, Corbyn If you're an open minded community based citizen who's wish is for a fairer more equal society based on inclusivity and love, and you want this instilled in your kids in order that they can become genuinely thoughtful and caring individuals, thus building a better future for everyone, it's going really really well thanks. However, if you're a self centered xenophobe who believes there's no such thing as "society" and that humans are naturally inclined to competition and survival of the fittest and should be governed and indoctrinated by a system developed and imposed by those born into positions of power and wealth...and who want to maintain their position through the enforced servitude and impoverishment of the masses, then I can understand Corbyn is probably not for you ;-) Sounds like you've decided I'm a self centred xenophobe who supports enforced servitude and impoverishment of the masses. An intriguing deduction from an open minded community based citizen. I was just wondering how it was going with the Jeremy thing and wish you and your beliefs nothing but success.
Corbyn If you're an open minded community based citizen who's wish is for a fairer more equal society based on inclusivity and love, and you want this instilled in your kids in order that they can become genuinely thoughtful and caring individuals, thus building a better future for everyone, it's going really really well thanks. However, if you're a self centered xenophobe who believes there's no such thing as "society" and that humans are naturally inclined to competition and survival of the fittest and should be governed and indoctrinated by a system developed and imposed by those born into positions of power and wealth...and who want to maintain their position through the enforced servitude and impoverishment of the masses, then I can understand Corbyn is probably not for you ;-) Sounds like you've decided I'm a self centred xenophobe who supports enforced servitude and impoverishment of the masses. An intriguing deduction from an open minded community based citizen. I was just wondering how it was going with the Jeremy thing and wish you and your beliefs nothing but success. Hey, sorry hubble, didnt inted that to be personal, was just speaking in general, had Thatcher in mind actually, was intended tongue in cheek. Apologies again. |
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Hubble Bubble
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Hubble Bubble on Jul 7, 2016 9:30:18 GMT 1, Sounds like you've decided I'm a self centred xenophobe who supports enforced servitude and impoverishment of the masses. An intriguing deduction from an open minded community based citizen. I was just wondering how it was going with the Jeremy thing and wish you and your beliefs nothing but success. Hey, sorry hubble, didnt inted that to be personal, was just speaking in general, had Thatcher in mind actually, was intended tongue in cheek. Apologies again.
Seriously... as Coach says... I think folk are tired of politics on here. I hold my hand up as guilty of a little late night mischief making. Just poking the hornets' nest, as it were.
I'm fairly disillusioned with the whole thing after June 23rd.
Peace and love to you and yours, mate.
HB
Sounds like you've decided I'm a self centred xenophobe who supports enforced servitude and impoverishment of the masses. An intriguing deduction from an open minded community based citizen. I was just wondering how it was going with the Jeremy thing and wish you and your beliefs nothing but success. Hey, sorry hubble, didnt inted that to be personal, was just speaking in general, had Thatcher in mind actually, was intended tongue in cheek. Apologies again. Mate... I'm laughing here... your apology beat mine by several minutes. Seriously... as Coach says... I think folk are tired of politics on here. I hold my hand up as guilty of a little late night mischief making. Just poking the hornets' nest, as it were. I'm fairly disillusioned with the whole thing after June 23rd. Peace and love to you and yours, mate. HB |
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 13:37:40 GMT 1, Corbyn was actually against the Gulf War invasion of Iraq and so were many people from all political parties and views.
Corbyn was actually against the Gulf War invasion of Iraq and so were many people from all political parties and views.
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by pking1601 on Jul 7, 2016 15:58:55 GMT 1,
Im not political at all but have just watch Robin Cook's resignation speech. Fascinating. Talk about foresight.
If you haven't seen this, watch it in full. Begs the question if Sir John Chilcott watched this You Tube clip before delivering his summary of his report.
And above Robin Cook's right shoulder is Jeremy Corbyn who stands and applauds after Robin Cook has finished.
Im not political at all but have just watch Robin Cook's resignation speech. Fascinating. Talk about foresight. If you haven't seen this, watch it in full. Begs the question if Sir John Chilcott watched this You Tube clip before delivering his summary of his report. And above Robin Cook's right shoulder is Jeremy Corbyn who stands and applauds after Robin Cook has finished. |
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Coach on Jul 7, 2016 18:53:26 GMT 1,
I remember this.
Andrew Marr reported today that the government were terrified of this speech and what he might say. They didn't know whet he knew. And so they pushed his slot back so that it couldn't be reported on the ten o'clock news!
I remember this. Andrew Marr reported today that the government were terrified of this speech and what he might say. They didn't know whet he knew. And so they pushed his slot back so that it couldn't be reported on the ten o'clock news! |
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by chads007 on Jul 7, 2016 20:48:28 GMT 1, I think the sad thing is, after the hundreds of thousands innocents killed, and the Pandora's box of terrorism that unfolded around the world, is the fact that Mr Blair now actually believes the lies he told himself and others (acting on good faith, the intelligence, that he'd do it again etc), so well indoctrinated are the arguments and rehearsed lies that he told himself and others.
I think the sad thing is, after the hundreds of thousands innocents killed, and the Pandora's box of terrorism that unfolded around the world, is the fact that Mr Blair now actually believes the lies he told himself and others (acting on good faith, the intelligence, that he'd do it again etc), so well indoctrinated are the arguments and rehearsed lies that he told himself and others.
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Coach on Jul 7, 2016 21:55:13 GMT 1, 
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Chilcot Report on The Iraq War, by Deleted on Jul 7, 2016 22:26:46 GMT 1,
Thanks for giving us Isis, Tone.
The gift that keeps on giving.
Thanks for giving us Isis, Tone. The gift that keeps on giving. |
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