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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Coach on Jul 15, 2016 23:40:31 GMT 1, Just reading this Viking.
Earlier the bbc reported that it appeared to be limited and that the government was still in control.
Latest bbc report suggest the coup has taken control.
Worrying times.
Just reading this Viking.
Earlier the bbc reported that it appeared to be limited and that the government was still in control.
Latest bbc report suggest the coup has taken control.
Worrying times.
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Viking Surfer on Jul 15, 2016 23:40:59 GMT 1, To surmise the situation in a simple way:
- Turkey's military does not answer to its president like many other countries. They serve to maintain the vision of the country's founder.
- The current president of Turkey has been pushing more and more islamist-focused laws (control of the media, things like that). This goes against the secular-focus of the country's founding.
- The military has decided the president needs to be removed, and have staged a coup to accomplish this. This is not unique in Turkey's history, their military has done this a few times in the past for the same reasons. Presumably, the military's goal is to put someone more secular in power of the government.
- The police in Turkey work for the government. So they are fighting against the military currently.
To surmise the situation in a simple way:
- Turkey's military does not answer to its president like many other countries. They serve to maintain the vision of the country's founder.
- The current president of Turkey has been pushing more and more islamist-focused laws (control of the media, things like that). This goes against the secular-focus of the country's founding.
- The military has decided the president needs to be removed, and have staged a coup to accomplish this. This is not unique in Turkey's history, their military has done this a few times in the past for the same reasons. Presumably, the military's goal is to put someone more secular in power of the government.
- The police in Turkey work for the government. So they are fighting against the military currently.
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Viking Surfer on Jul 15, 2016 23:44:37 GMT 1, Just reading this Viking. Earlier the bbc reported that it appeared to be limited and that the government was still in control. Latest bbc report suggest the coup has taken control. Worrying times.
The world is at an interesting juncture right now.
I really wonder how it's all going to pan out.
Just reading this Viking. Earlier the bbc reported that it appeared to be limited and that the government was still in control. Latest bbc report suggest the coup has taken control. Worrying times. The world is at an interesting juncture right now. I really wonder how it's all going to pan out. |
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Deleted on Jul 15, 2016 23:57:14 GMT 1, All inclusive holiday packages to turkey starting at ยฃ0.99p
All inclusive holiday packages to turkey starting at ยฃ0.99p
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Viking Surfer on Jul 15, 2016 23:57:40 GMT 1, I'm going to sleep, but there's a live news feed up to date with pics / vids for those interested here:
www.reddit.com/live/x9gf3donjlkq
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Coach on Jul 16, 2016 0:01:49 GMT 1, To surmise the situation in a simple way:
- Turkey's military does not answer to its president like many other countries. They serve to maintain the vision of the country's founder.
- The current president of Turkey has been pushing more and more islamist-focused laws (control of the media, things like that). This goes against the secular-focus of the country's founding.
- The military has decided the president needs to be removed, and have staged a coup to accomplish this. This is not unique in Turkey's history, their military has done this a few times in the past for the same reasons. Presumably, the military's goal is to put someone more secular in power of the government.
- The police in Turkey work for the government. So they are fighting against the military currently.
President Erdogan is abroad at the moment. Says he's flying back. But the airports are closed down.
Special forces say it's treason and a small faction.
To surmise the situation in a simple way:
- Turkey's military does not answer to its president like many other countries. They serve to maintain the vision of the country's founder.
- The current president of Turkey has been pushing more and more islamist-focused laws (control of the media, things like that). This goes against the secular-focus of the country's founding.
- The military has decided the president needs to be removed, and have staged a coup to accomplish this. This is not unique in Turkey's history, their military has done this a few times in the past for the same reasons. Presumably, the military's goal is to put someone more secular in power of the government.
- The police in Turkey work for the government. So they are fighting against the military currently.
President Erdogan is abroad at the moment. Says he's flying back. But the airports are closed down. Special forces say it's treason and a small faction. |
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Coach on Jul 16, 2016 0:11:51 GMT 1, Unconfirmed reports of fighter jet shooting down military helicopter over Ankara
It seems that the people are coming out to protest against the coup.
I do very much hope that this is resolved without bloodshed.
Unconfirmed reports of fighter jet shooting down military helicopter over Ankara
It seems that the people are coming out to protest against the coup.
I do very much hope that this is resolved without bloodshed.
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Jul 16, 2016 0:28:43 GMT 1, Not good Turkey this could get ugly  thing with all these problems no one seems to have any answers and it's only going to get worse, pray civilians don't get caught up in this.. Also whats happening in France on the radio yesterday it said 2500 French nationals left to fight in Syria, why so many? Wtf were The French doing leaving these communities deteriate? That question has to be asked? Out of 2500, 250 have returned and the French are pouring all their resources trying to track them down. So that's 250 guys intent on killing. It's scary shit. Yes we need to get rid of the radicalists with tough laws in European countries. If they don't obey them deport them, and none of this 'oh what about their human rights' bullshit.. It's just the radicals as their are billions of Muslims who dont want anything to do with this shit. The thing Isis wants is to create a divide and it doesn't help when world leaders say like yesterday 'it's an attack on western civilisation'.. Totally wrong answer, that will only cause more racism and hatred and that's what Isis want. They need to get in early and stop the radical side and how the fuck can't anyone jam all these brainwashing websites also? Maybe the powers to be want this shit to happen to create at and keep us all in check.
Not good Turkey this could get ugly thing with all these problems no one seems to have any answers and it's only going to get worse, pray civilians don't get caught up in this.. Also whats happening in France on the radio yesterday it said 2500 French nationals left to fight in Syria, why so many? Wtf were The French doing leaving these communities deteriate? That question has to be asked? Out of 2500, 250 have returned and the French are pouring all their resources trying to track them down. So that's 250 guys intent on killing. It's scary shit. Yes we need to get rid of the radicalists with tough laws in European countries. If they don't obey them deport them, and none of this 'oh what about their human rights' bullshit.. It's just the radicals as their are billions of Muslims who dont want anything to do with this shit. The thing Isis wants is to create a divide and it doesn't help when world leaders say like yesterday 'it's an attack on western civilisation'.. Totally wrong answer, that will only cause more racism and hatred and that's what Isis want. They need to get in early and stop the radical side and how the fuck can't anyone jam all these brainwashing websites also? Maybe the powers to be want this shit to happen to create at and keep us all in check. |
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by darwin on Jul 16, 2016 0:28:47 GMT 1, To surmise the situation in a simple way:
- Turkey's military does not answer to its president like many other countries. They serve to maintain the vision of the country's founder.
- The current president of Turkey has been pushing more and more islamist-focused laws (control of the media, things like that). This goes against the secular-focus of the country's founding.
- The military has decided the president needs to be removed, and have staged a coup to accomplish this. This is not unique in Turkey's history, their military has done this a few times in the past for the same reasons. Presumably, the military's goal is to put someone more secular in power of the government.
- The police in Turkey work for the government. So they are fighting against the military currently.
President Erdogan is abroad at the moment. Says he's flying back. But the airports are closed down. Special forces say it's treason and a small faction.
Apparently President Erdogan has flown to Europe to claim asylum.
His claim was rejected by Germany, and his next port of call is thought to be the UK.
www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/07/15/erdogan-seeks-asylum-in-germany-report.html?via=mobile&source=copyurl
To surmise the situation in a simple way:
- Turkey's military does not answer to its president like many other countries. They serve to maintain the vision of the country's founder.
- The current president of Turkey has been pushing more and more islamist-focused laws (control of the media, things like that). This goes against the secular-focus of the country's founding.
- The military has decided the president needs to be removed, and have staged a coup to accomplish this. This is not unique in Turkey's history, their military has done this a few times in the past for the same reasons. Presumably, the military's goal is to put someone more secular in power of the government.
- The police in Turkey work for the government. So they are fighting against the military currently.
President Erdogan is abroad at the moment. Says he's flying back. But the airports are closed down. Special forces say it's treason and a small faction. Apparently President Erdogan has flown to Europe to claim asylum. His claim was rejected by Germany, and his next port of call is thought to be the UK. www.thedailybeast.com/cheats/2016/07/15/erdogan-seeks-asylum-in-germany-report.html?via=mobile&source=copyurl |
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by misterx on Jul 16, 2016 2:43:55 GMT 1, Erdogan is a despot. Europe will be better off without him, should the coup be successful.
Erdogan is a despot. Europe will be better off without him, should the coup be successful.
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Viking Surfer on Jul 16, 2016 8:59:56 GMT 1, So the coup failed.
Apparently this was the 5th coup attempt since 1960.
So the coup failed.
Apparently this was the 5th coup attempt since 1960.
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by RoboJ on Jul 16, 2016 9:34:44 GMT 1, This really fuels far right groups and their ideology.
Not only sad for the countries involved but for the consequences of the shift in people's mindsets stirs up in the media.
This really fuels far right groups and their ideology.
Not only sad for the countries involved but for the consequences of the shift in people's mindsets stirs up in the media.
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 14:28:21 GMT 1, This really fuels far right groups and their ideology. Not only sad for the countries involved but for the consequences of the shift in people's mindsets stirs up in the media.
This really fuels far right groups and their ideology. Not only sad for the countries involved but for the consequences of the shift in people's mindsets stirs up in the media. There is no independant or free media in Turkey. |
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 14:30:48 GMT 1, I doubt it's over. If the arrested military are tried and the punishment is execution. There will be another coup. The military won't stand for the President having that kind of power.
I doubt it's over. If the arrested military are tried and the punishment is execution. There will be another coup. The military won't stand for the President having that kind of power.
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Deleted on Jul 16, 2016 14:31:24 GMT 1, Putin must be smiling about this situation 
Putin must be smiling about this situation |
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by RoboJ on Jul 16, 2016 16:24:02 GMT 1, This really fuels far right groups and their ideology. Not only sad for the countries involved but for the consequences of the shift in people's mindsets stirs up in the media. There is no independant or free media in Turkey.
I'm talking about our own media. How terrible events such as this are used not just to unit people but to split them apart. To validity far right views
This really fuels far right groups and their ideology. Not only sad for the countries involved but for the consequences of the shift in people's mindsets stirs up in the media. There is no independant or free media in Turkey. I'm talking about our own media. How terrible events such as this are used not just to unit people but to split them apart. To validity far right views |
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Deleted on Jul 17, 2016 8:48:06 GMT 1, There is no independant or free media in Turkey. I'm talking about our own media. How terrible events such as this are used not just to unit people but to split them apart. To validity far right views
Or does media that report on opressive regimes and ideology suddenly become far right media or pandering to the far right?
I think the majority in the west do not want Turkey to destabilise and turn into a civil war so it is in the interests of most people fo Erdogan to remain as president.
At the same time he is having a huge purge of judges, politicians, military and other people he accuses of not being on his side.
There is no independant or free media in Turkey. I'm talking about our own media. How terrible events such as this are used not just to unit people but to split them apart. To validity far right views I don't see how considering how opressive the Turkish regime is becoming against liberal values. Or does media that report on opressive regimes and ideology suddenly become far right media or pandering to the far right? I think the majority in the west do not want Turkey to destabilise and turn into a civil war so it is in the interests of most people fo Erdogan to remain as president. At the same time he is having a huge purge of judges, politicians, military and other people he accuses of not being on his side. |
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Viking Surfer on Jul 17, 2016 12:31:54 GMT 1, I doubt it's over. If the arrested military are tried and the punishment is execution. There will be another coup. The military won't stand for the President having that kind of power.
I'm just surprised that so many of the 'civilians' rose up against the military (although of course that comes with a hint of propaganda).
It just shows the power he has there.
I doubt it's over. If the arrested military are tried and the punishment is execution. There will be another coup. The military won't stand for the President having that kind of power. I'm just surprised that so many of the 'civilians' rose up against the military (although of course that comes with a hint of propaganda). It just shows the power he has there. |
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by jmds on Jul 18, 2016 9:41:11 GMT 1, Anyone else think that Erdogan may have been aware of this in advance and let it play out for his own ends? There's a number of things that don't quite sit right:
The coup itself was rubbish and they didn't even look to arrest some of the key players (including Erdogan himself who was on holiday in Marmaris). Also, one large group of troops gave up to a small number of policemen
Some troops were told it was a training exercise
Erdogan was able to fly into Istanbul safely even though it was under attack
Erdogan has arrested 6000 or so plotters immediately after - there's no way he could have had known who the plotters were so quickly
I'm not normally one for conspiracy theories but Erdogan has previous with this kind of thing so for once I think there may be some truth to it.
Anyone else think that Erdogan may have been aware of this in advance and let it play out for his own ends? There's a number of things that don't quite sit right:
The coup itself was rubbish and they didn't even look to arrest some of the key players (including Erdogan himself who was on holiday in Marmaris). Also, one large group of troops gave up to a small number of policemen
Some troops were told it was a training exercise
Erdogan was able to fly into Istanbul safely even though it was under attack
Erdogan has arrested 6000 or so plotters immediately after - there's no way he could have had known who the plotters were so quickly
I'm not normally one for conspiracy theories but Erdogan has previous with this kind of thing so for once I think there may be some truth to it.
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by .dappy on Jul 19, 2016 16:56:04 GMT 1, ... I think he might be going a bit too far with this coup clean up :~
15,200 education staff suspended!
Turkey coup: 15,200 education staff suspended - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36838347
The resignation of more than 1,500 university deans has also been ordered by Turkey's high education board.
... I think he might be going a bit too far with this coup clean up :~ 15,200 education staff suspended! Turkey coup: 15,200 education staff suspended - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36838347The resignation of more than 1,500 university deans has also been ordered by Turkey's high education board. |
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Daniel Silk on Jul 19, 2016 17:00:56 GMT 1, ... I think he might be going a bit too far with this coup clean up :~ 15,200 education staff suspended! Turkey coup: 15,200 education staff suspended - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36838347The resignation of more than 1,500 university deans has also been ordered by Turkey's high education board.
... I think he might be going a bit too far with this coup clean up :~ 15,200 education staff suspended! Turkey coup: 15,200 education staff suspended - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36838347The resignation of more than 1,500 university deans has also been ordered by Turkey's high education board. Yeah, the long term impact on moves like that will surely cause even worse problems in the future. |
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Viking Surfer on Jul 19, 2016 17:24:22 GMT 1, ... I think he might be going a bit too far with this coup clean up :~ 15,200 education staff suspended! Turkey coup: 15,200 education staff suspended - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36838347The resignation of more than 1,500 university deans has also been ordered by Turkey's high education board.
Total control.
... I think he might be going a bit too far with this coup clean up :~ 15,200 education staff suspended! Turkey coup: 15,200 education staff suspended - www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-36838347The resignation of more than 1,500 university deans has also been ordered by Turkey's high education board. Total control. |
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 20:27:49 GMT 1, SAS troops poised to EVACUATE Britons from Turkey amid fear of SECOND military coup
"With fears rebels could be about to try to overthrow the government for a second time, which is likely to result in a Turkish civil war, troops have moved into neighbouring Cyprus and are preparing a rescue mission to save stranded Britons.
Defence chiefs have drawn up emergency plans and fully armed soldiers, together with members of the Special Forces Support Group, are ready to fly into areas popular with tourists and help families get home safely.
Hundreds of jets, helicopters and other aircraft will be drafted in to help the estimated 50,000 Brits flee the danger. "
www.express.co.uk/news/uk/692730/SAS-troops-poised-to-EVACUATE-Britons-from-Turkey-amid-fear-of-SECOND-military-coup
SAS troops poised to EVACUATE Britons from Turkey amid fear of SECOND military coup " With fears rebels could be about to try to overthrow the government for a second time, which is likely to result in a Turkish civil war, troops have moved into neighbouring Cyprus and are preparing a rescue mission to save stranded Britons.
Defence chiefs have drawn up emergency plans and fully armed soldiers, together with members of the Special Forces Support Group, are ready to fly into areas popular with tourists and help families get home safely.
Hundreds of jets, helicopters and other aircraft will be drafted in to help the estimated 50,000 Brits flee the danger. " www.express.co.uk/news/uk/692730/SAS-troops-poised-to-EVACUATE-Britons-from-Turkey-amid-fear-of-SECOND-military-coup
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by .dappy on Jul 24, 2016 21:03:27 GMT 1, ... 'poised to swoop' ... a fabulous daily express expression ...
,,, 'the real Lady Di killers' ... is another one ...
... 'poised to swoop' ... a fabulous daily express expression ...
,,, 'the real Lady Di killers' ... is another one ...
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Turkish military - Live Coup!, by Deleted on Jul 24, 2016 21:47:28 GMT 1, Lets hope the situation stays stable and doesn't turn into a conflict or civil war.
Erdogans huge purge is dictatorial.
Lets hope the situation stays stable and doesn't turn into a conflict or civil war.
Erdogans huge purge is dictatorial.
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thing with all these problems no one seems to have any answers and it's only going to get worse, pray civilians don't get caught up in this.. Also whats happening in France on the radio yesterday it said 2500 French nationals left to fight in Syria, why so many? Wtf were The French doing leaving these communities deteriate? That question has to be asked? Out of 2500, 250 have returned and the French are pouring all their resources trying to track them down. So that's 250 guys intent on killing. It's scary shit. Yes we need to get rid of the radicalists with tough laws in European countries. If they don't obey them deport them, and none of this 'oh what about their human rights' bullshit.. It's just the radicals as their are billions of Muslims who dont want anything to do with this shit. The thing Isis wants is to create a divide and it doesn't help when world leaders say like yesterday 'it's an attack on western civilisation'.. Totally wrong answer, that will only cause more racism and hatred and that's what Isis want. They need to get in early and stop the radical side and how the fuck can't anyone jam all these brainwashing websites also? Maybe the powers to be want this shit to happen to create at and keep us all in check. 
