zynaps
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Aug 4, 2016 7:25:20 GMT 1
Advice, by zynaps on Aug 4, 2016 7:25:20 GMT 1, Dear members,
Sorry for the off topic. I trying to close a deal for nearly 2K usd. The seller needs the money to fund another purchase and is putting a lot of pressure to get it. However, PayPal top up takes one day,etc... Things take time and the amont of messages to pay kept growing. Finally I performed the purchase via PP as protected buy and put 4% extra to cover the fees. He rejected the payment and insists that I send him as a gift. This behaviour is raising some alarms in my head. Something is not right here.
What do you say?
Dear members,
Sorry for the off topic. I trying to close a deal for nearly 2K usd. The seller needs the money to fund another purchase and is putting a lot of pressure to get it. However, PayPal top up takes one day,etc... Things take time and the amont of messages to pay kept growing. Finally I performed the purchase via PP as protected buy and put 4% extra to cover the fees. He rejected the payment and insists that I send him as a gift. This behaviour is raising some alarms in my head. Something is not right here.
What do you say?
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Aug 4, 2016 7:30:17 GMT 1
Advice, by mla on Aug 4, 2016 7:30:17 GMT 1, I would definitely not follow through with this transaction.
A seller who insists on gift over goods and services payment + 4% is up to something. It could be they want to shirk their general responsibilities as a seller, the item is not as described, or they don't intend to send the item at all.
I would definitely not follow through with this transaction.
A seller who insists on gift over goods and services payment + 4% is up to something. It could be they want to shirk their general responsibilities as a seller, the item is not as described, or they don't intend to send the item at all.
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Aug 4, 2016 7:40:32 GMT 1
Advice, by craigf on Aug 4, 2016 7:40:32 GMT 1, Walk away, there is no legitimate reason for them not to accept payment with you covering the fees
Walk away, there is no legitimate reason for them not to accept payment with you covering the fees
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Art-illery
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Aug 4, 2016 7:48:32 GMT 1
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Advice, by Art-illery on Aug 4, 2016 7:48:32 GMT 1, Agreed don't do it, if you pay as a gift you have no comeback for any goods purchased. It was a 'gift' as far as PayPal are concerned. Look around and buy yourself something else. Keep us posted.
Agreed don't do it, if you pay as a gift you have no comeback for any goods purchased. It was a 'gift' as far as PayPal are concerned. Look around and buy yourself something else. Keep us posted.
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Aug 4, 2016 7:49:39 GMT 1
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Advice, by shygetshigh83 on Aug 4, 2016 7:49:39 GMT 1, Seller asking for PP gift = FRAUD! stay away and keep your $2k for the next purchase!
Seller asking for PP gift = FRAUD! stay away and keep your $2k for the next purchase!
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Aug 4, 2016 7:52:12 GMT 1
Advice, by zynaps on Aug 4, 2016 7:52:12 GMT 1, His argument is that if I sent as a purchase they will only release the funds once they have confirmation that the item arrived. Is this true? I have no experience with PP as a seller.
His argument is that if I sent as a purchase they will only release the funds once they have confirmation that the item arrived. Is this true? I have no experience with PP as a seller.
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Aug 4, 2016 7:52:40 GMT 1
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Advice, by Lroy on Aug 4, 2016 7:52:40 GMT 1, I would definitely not follow through with this transaction. A seller who insists on gift over goods and services payment + 4% is up to something. It could be they want to shirk their general responsibilities as a seller, the item is not as described, or they don't intend to send the item at all.
I agree with the last phrase. He wants to keep the item. Or the seller is very rich and wants to play with you or, at the end , he is very stingy, narrow-minded, vicious and sick, obsessed , as these managers or bosses playing as these spoiled child playing with their toys, sorry I mean their employees... Maybe you have irritated him at a moment, and he does not want to make the deal again. You can do one thing : Paypal has always been corrects with me, give them a phone call and tell them the situation. Definitely, people insisted for a " as gift " Are so stingy ! I ask sometimes, but if the man does not want, I do not insist : the big problem is that if you ( both of you, mostly him ! ) pay as " gift " you have not Paypal protection. And you are not covered in case of ..., Tell him this !
I would definitely not follow through with this transaction. A seller who insists on gift over goods and services payment + 4% is up to something. It could be they want to shirk their general responsibilities as a seller, the item is not as described, or they don't intend to send the item at all. I agree with the last phrase. He wants to keep the item. Or the seller is very rich and wants to play with you or, at the end , he is very stingy, narrow-minded, vicious and sick, obsessed , as these managers or bosses playing as these spoiled child playing with their toys, sorry I mean their employees... Maybe you have irritated him at a moment, and he does not want to make the deal again. You can do one thing : Paypal has always been corrects with me, give them a phone call and tell them the situation. Definitely, people insisted for a " as gift " Are so stingy ! I ask sometimes, but if the man does not want, I do not insist : the big problem is that if you ( both of you, mostly him ! ) pay as " gift " you have not Paypal protection. And you are not covered in case of ..., Tell him this !
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Aug 4, 2016 7:54:33 GMT 1
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Advice, by Lroy on Aug 4, 2016 7:54:33 GMT 1, Seller asking for PP gift = FRAUD! stay away and keep your $2k for the next purchase!
Yes, have a trip !
Seller asking for PP gift = FRAUD! stay away and keep your $2k for the next purchase! Yes, have a trip !
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Aug 4, 2016 8:03:31 GMT 1
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Advice, by Ddog on Aug 4, 2016 8:03:31 GMT 1, His argument is that if I sent as a purchase they will only release the funds once they have confirmation that the item arrived. Is this true? I have no experience with PP as a seller.
Not true. PP + fees protests you as a buyer and as long as you pay the fees on top your end, it won't affect the seller at all - unless he's trying to do you over in some way (in which case, you'd be protected)
He'd be able to draw the money once it's in his PayPal balance, so the fact he's avoiding you sending it as a goods or services payment is definitely a bad thing.
Stay well away. You'll always find what you're looking for somewhere else. You can't be that desperate to risk $2k !!
Well done on asking the forum though buddy, you've done the right thing
His argument is that if I sent as a purchase they will only release the funds once they have confirmation that the item arrived. Is this true? I have no experience with PP as a seller. Not true. PP + fees protests you as a buyer and as long as you pay the fees on top your end, it won't affect the seller at all - unless he's trying to do you over in some way (in which case, you'd be protected) He'd be able to draw the money once it's in his PayPal balance, so the fact he's avoiding you sending it as a goods or services payment is definitely a bad thing. Stay well away. You'll always find what you're looking for somewhere else. You can't be that desperate to risk $2k !! Well done on asking the forum though buddy, you've done the right thing
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Aug 4, 2016 8:12:06 GMT 1
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Advice, by davievegas on Aug 4, 2016 8:12:06 GMT 1, Seller asking for PP gift = FRAUD! stay away and keep your $2k for the next purchase!
What are you talking about? I have sold plenty and purchased plenty with paypal gift. Nevet had an issue.
Seller asking for PP gift = FRAUD! stay away and keep your $2k for the next purchase! What are you talking about? I have sold plenty and purchased plenty with paypal gift. Nevet had an issue.
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Aug 4, 2016 8:58:24 GMT 1
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Advice, by Art-illery on Aug 4, 2016 8:58:24 GMT 1, This seller turned away a pp payment even though the buyer paid the fees and asked for a gift payment instead. Alarm Bells would start ringing.
This seller turned away a pp payment even though the buyer paid the fees and asked for a gift payment instead. Alarm Bells would start ringing.
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Aug 4, 2016 9:06:46 GMT 1
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Advice, by duggyfresh on Aug 4, 2016 9:06:46 GMT 1, using a credit card to pay via paypal can give you added protection. In this case I would stay away, the fact you were willing to cover the fees and hes still not happy says it all.
using a credit card to pay via paypal can give you added protection. In this case I would stay away, the fact you were willing to cover the fees and hes still not happy says it all.
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Aug 4, 2016 9:41:39 GMT 1
Advice, by Poster Bob on Aug 4, 2016 9:41:39 GMT 1, I wouldn't take 2k via Paypal either if it wasn't sent as a gift. I will no longer deal with liars, cheats and chargebacks, not that you are any of those but selling art can be very risky.
I wouldn't take 2k via Paypal either if it wasn't sent as a gift. I will no longer deal with liars, cheats and chargebacks, not that you are any of those but selling art can be very risky.
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Aug 4, 2016 11:56:37 GMT 1
Advice, by shygetshigh83 on Aug 4, 2016 11:56:37 GMT 1, Seller asking for PP gift = FRAUD! stay away and keep your $2k for the next purchase! What are you talking about? I have sold plenty and purchased plenty with paypal gift. Nevet had an issue. Talking about what I think is going on with zynaps thread.. thought it was clear..
Seller asking for PP gift = FRAUD! stay away and keep your $2k for the next purchase! What are you talking about? I have sold plenty and purchased plenty with paypal gift. Nevet had an issue. Talking about what I think is going on with zynaps thread.. thought it was clear..
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Aug 4, 2016 12:45:12 GMT 1
Advice, by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 12:45:12 GMT 1, Make sure you have the sellers full details. Name address and land line phone number. Images of the item they are selling plus an email of exactly what they are selling, dimensions, medium etc etc.
Info regarding provenance or COA if it's an expensive print.
Is the price of the item current as in on par with other prices or is it being offered for a lower price?
As a buyer you have to protect yourself and if you pay by Paypal gift. Basically you have "gifted" the money.
If you insist on paying by protected payment for an item then you are covered and make sure that the description of the item you are buying satisfies you. You could also demand an invoice for tax purposes.
It doesn't hurt to ask for a land line phone number and phone the seller before paying.
Make sure you have the sellers full details. Name address and land line phone number. Images of the item they are selling plus an email of exactly what they are selling, dimensions, medium etc etc.
Info regarding provenance or COA if it's an expensive print.
Is the price of the item current as in on par with other prices or is it being offered for a lower price?
As a buyer you have to protect yourself and if you pay by Paypal gift. Basically you have "gifted" the money.
If you insist on paying by protected payment for an item then you are covered and make sure that the description of the item you are buying satisfies you. You could also demand an invoice for tax purposes.
It doesn't hurt to ask for a land line phone number and phone the seller before paying.
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Aug 4, 2016 13:07:22 GMT 1
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Advice, by chads007 on Aug 4, 2016 13:07:22 GMT 1, Is the seller here?
Is the seller here?
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Aug 4, 2016 19:42:46 GMT 1
Advice, by dotdot on Aug 4, 2016 19:42:46 GMT 1, at what point do you feel insecure ? (generally) believe nothing - and no one. if it doesn't feel right - move along.
personally ? it depends - as with everything if the person has given you enough assurances then it should be fine - but... (there's always a but - folks i know say regularly. how big is your ... (aha the) but) if it's .. unseasonably big - then ... the smell might be bad, tick experience and depart the conversation.
art for some.. is a need - for this one if it's a want - then.... look back with a smile. ..you saved 2k usd.
at what point do you feel insecure ? (generally) believe nothing - and no one. if it doesn't feel right - move along.
personally ? it depends - as with everything if the person has given you enough assurances then it should be fine - but... (there's always a but - folks i know say regularly. how big is your ... (aha the) but) if it's .. unseasonably big - then ... the smell might be bad, tick experience and depart the conversation.
art for some.. is a need - for this one if it's a want - then.... look back with a smile. ..you saved 2k usd.
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Aug 4, 2016 20:01:28 GMT 1
Advice, by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 20:01:28 GMT 1, keep the money.
sometimes deals cant be done for various reasons.
Paypal can be a bit of a bitch for a genuine seller as the buyer has lots of protection, and unscrupulous buyers can get free art using paypal.
theres lots of art around, buy some of mine
what was the artwork?
keep the money.
sometimes deals cant be done for various reasons.
Paypal can be a bit of a bitch for a genuine seller as the buyer has lots of protection, and unscrupulous buyers can get free art using paypal.
theres lots of art around, buy some of mine
what was the artwork?
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Aug 4, 2016 20:03:51 GMT 1
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Advice, by vei on Aug 4, 2016 20:03:51 GMT 1, If you're on here cause it doesn't feel right then it's clearly dodgy.
I would never gift a payment.
If you're on here cause it doesn't feel right then it's clearly dodgy.
I would never gift a payment.
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Aug 4, 2016 20:06:03 GMT 1
Advice, by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 20:06:03 GMT 1, If you're on here cause it doesn't feel right then it's clearly dodgy. I would never gift a payment.
what never ever, not even for a tenner?
surely it would depend wouldn't it?
If you're on here cause it doesn't feel right then it's clearly dodgy. I would never gift a payment. what never ever, not even for a tenner? surely it would depend wouldn't it?
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Aug 4, 2016 20:17:09 GMT 1
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Advice, by Schrรถdinger's Chat on Aug 4, 2016 20:17:09 GMT 1, I always listen to my gut feelings and I have used PayPal gift, cash, bank transfer, PayPal with fees, with phone numbers, without almost any details, luckily the most expensive buying and selling has always been possible face to face - but I take each seller / buyer on their own merit.
It's obvious your gut is saying this isn't right so agree with everyone else, if the seller can't do anything to allay your concerns, walk away.
I always listen to my gut feelings and I have used PayPal gift, cash, bank transfer, PayPal with fees, with phone numbers, without almost any details, luckily the most expensive buying and selling has always been possible face to face - but I take each seller / buyer on their own merit.
It's obvious your gut is saying this isn't right so agree with everyone else, if the seller can't do anything to allay your concerns, walk away.
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Aug 4, 2016 20:18:26 GMT 1
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Advice, by vei on Aug 4, 2016 20:18:26 GMT 1, If you're on here cause it doesn't feel right then it's clearly dodgy. I would never gift a payment. what never ever, not even for a tenner? surely it would depend wouldn't it?
Not even for a tenner, basically the seller is saying they want me to give up my rights.
If you're on here cause it doesn't feel right then it's clearly dodgy. I would never gift a payment. what never ever, not even for a tenner? surely it would depend wouldn't it? Not even for a tenner, basically the seller is saying they want me to give up my rights.
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Aug 4, 2016 20:21:11 GMT 1
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Advice, by .dappy on Aug 4, 2016 20:21:11 GMT 1, ... caveat emptor ...
... caveat emptor ...
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Aug 4, 2016 20:43:05 GMT 1
Advice, by Deleted on Aug 4, 2016 20:43:05 GMT 1,
ooh, look at you with your old age foreign language skills :-)
ooh, look at you with your old age foreign language skills :-)
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Aug 4, 2016 21:31:16 GMT 1
Advice, by yorkie on Aug 4, 2016 21:31:16 GMT 1, Think most people here have given you solid advice (if sometimes slightly conflicting) however you have not answered a couple of posts which I think could help you:
Was / is the seller a member of this forum (you can ask)
Did he give a reason why he rejected it?
Sometimes you go with your gut feeling and I have to say the best bit of advice on the posts above is... if you are on hear thinking its dodgy and you needed to ask then your gut feeling is to walk and you should do just that!
Yorkie
Think most people here have given you solid advice (if sometimes slightly conflicting) however you have not answered a couple of posts which I think could help you:
Was / is the seller a member of this forum (you can ask)
Did he give a reason why he rejected it?
Sometimes you go with your gut feeling and I have to say the best bit of advice on the posts above is... if you are on hear thinking its dodgy and you needed to ask then your gut feeling is to walk and you should do just that!
Yorkie
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Aug 4, 2016 21:59:09 GMT 1
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Advice, by .dappy on Aug 4, 2016 21:59:09 GMT 1, ... is the person US or UK based?
... is the person US or UK based?
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Aug 5, 2016 1:01:46 GMT 1
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Advice, by Shoeless on Aug 5, 2016 1:01:46 GMT 1, Is the seller Jason Zenga?
Is the seller Jason Zenga?
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Aug 5, 2016 2:43:16 GMT 1
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Advice, by Zippy on Aug 5, 2016 2:43:16 GMT 1, Go with your gut feeling. If it does not feel right then walk.
I also believe that you buy the seller first, then the art.
Go with your gut feeling. If it does not feel right then walk.
I also believe that you buy the seller first, then the art.
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Aug 5, 2016 7:50:20 GMT 1
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Advice, by Viking Surfer on Aug 5, 2016 7:50:20 GMT 1, walk away.
It sounds like you're worried you'll miss out if you do. If it's because the price is too good to be true then it probably is.
It's not worth getting burned.
walk away.
It sounds like you're worried you'll miss out if you do. If it's because the price is too good to be true then it probably is.
It's not worth getting burned.
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Advice, by Dibbs 45 on Aug 5, 2016 8:57:29 GMT 1, Walk away, walk away, walk away. That's what they say, what they say, what they say...
Walk away, walk away, walk away. That's what they say, what they say, what they say...
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