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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by gbh on Jan 4, 2008 18:00:27 GMT 1, I think it's clear to all that she's been around (ages) and done good things, etc.
if it isn't it should be.
all well and good but back on topic..
the image and the combinations of other factors just isn't doing it for me (most of her work doesn't, but then again neither does Faile's stuff and to round off my point further, I have previously been outed for being a fan of pure evil and STOT21stcplanb so in which direction do my tastes go? who knows?).
as long as beauty stays in the eye of the beholder, we'll all make it till next christmas (credit cards may not though).
I think it's clear to all that she's been around (ages) and done good things, etc.
if it isn't it should be.
all well and good but back on topic..
the image and the combinations of other factors just isn't doing it for me (most of her work doesn't, but then again neither does Faile's stuff and to round off my point further, I have previously been outed for being a fan of pure evil and STOT21stcplanb so in which direction do my tastes go? who knows?).
as long as beauty stays in the eye of the beholder, we'll all make it till next christmas (credit cards may not though).
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by Francis on Jan 4, 2008 20:41:29 GMT 1, Yeah absolutely. Who cares if shes been doing street work since 1999. Some of you die hards might of heard of her prior to the last 2 years but simply hearing of a name doesn't = sensation. She is who she is now because of the recent frenzy in street art. Just like a lot of other street artists ie. Micallef Overnight sensation? You are kidding right. She has been doing street work since around 1999. Check out this NY Times article written in 2004 www.nytimes.com/2004/07/09/nyregion/09street.html?ex=1247112000&en=87b164f0ec2b3c36&ei=5090Anyway re pricing Swoon Helena's have been going for between $500 and $700 on the bay so this print is priced at market value. Given that it is a worthy cause why shouldn't justseeds sell at market value? It may take longer to sell out but they still get the money rather than a flipper.
bobbymeachamjr, what are 3 popular artists who you would classify as not being overnight sensations?
Yeah absolutely. Who cares if shes been doing street work since 1999. Some of you die hards might of heard of her prior to the last 2 years but simply hearing of a name doesn't = sensation. She is who she is now because of the recent frenzy in street art. Just like a lot of other street artists ie. Micallef Overnight sensation? You are kidding right. She has been doing street work since around 1999. Check out this NY Times article written in 2004 www.nytimes.com/2004/07/09/nyregion/09street.html?ex=1247112000&en=87b164f0ec2b3c36&ei=5090Anyway re pricing Swoon Helena's have been going for between $500 and $700 on the bay so this print is priced at market value. Given that it is a worthy cause why shouldn't justseeds sell at market value? It may take longer to sell out but they still get the money rather than a flipper. bobbymeachamjr, what are 3 popular artists who you would classify as not being overnight sensations? |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by robertlondon on Jan 5, 2008 12:10:30 GMT 1,
Totally agree!
I've often thought she should release her train windows as individual prints... people could then collect as many as they like and hang them in a line.
I think they'd be a lot more appealing.
Totally agree! I've often thought she should release her train windows as individual prints... people could then collect as many as they like and hang them in a line. I think they'd be a lot more appealing. |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by asabrush on Jan 5, 2008 13:06:52 GMT 1, Not that my knowledge of Swoon is alot,I really like this print,the charity aspect is an added bonus. The more people out there giving any percentage of profits to a worth while cause can only be a good thing. Great idea about releasing the train windows as prints 
Not that my knowledge of Swoon is alot,I really like this print,the charity aspect is an added bonus. The more people out there giving any percentage of profits to a worth while cause can only be a good thing. Great idea about releasing the train windows as prints |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by jamesreeve5 on Jan 5, 2008 19:32:46 GMT 1, Yeah absolutely. Who cares if shes been doing street work since 1999. Some of you die hards might of heard of her prior to the last 2 years but simply hearing of a name doesn't = sensation. She is who she is now because of the recent frenzy in street art. Just like a lot of other street artists ie. Micallef bobbymeachamjr, what are 3 popular artists who you would classify as not being overnight sensations?
1. Van Gogh
2. Toulouse Lautrec
3. Marcel Duchamp
JK JK... but if you think about it, street art as a whole is an overnight sensation in the grand narrative of art history!
Yeah absolutely. Who cares if shes been doing street work since 1999. Some of you die hards might of heard of her prior to the last 2 years but simply hearing of a name doesn't = sensation. She is who she is now because of the recent frenzy in street art. Just like a lot of other street artists ie. Micallef bobbymeachamjr, what are 3 popular artists who you would classify as not being overnight sensations? 1. Van Gogh 2. Toulouse Lautrec 3. Marcel Duchamp JK JK... but if you think about it, street art as a whole is an overnight sensation in the grand narrative of art history! |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by Guest on Jan 5, 2008 21:23:57 GMT 1, Congrats, Swoon! Well Done, once again! The commodification of our world's heritage is a sad sad fact nowadays. Thanks for helping ebb that tide...
I'm so happy to call her a friend...
Congrats, Swoon! Well Done, once again! The commodification of our world's heritage is a sad sad fact nowadays. Thanks for helping ebb that tide... I'm so happy to call her a friend... |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by saltandiron on Jan 5, 2008 22:17:27 GMT 1, Congrats, Swoon! Well Done, once again! The commodification of our world's heritage is a sad sad fact nowadays. Thanks for helping ebb that tide... I'm so happy to call her a friend...
I can't work out if you're actually congratualting Swoon or taking the piss out of her considering the whole commodification of street art thang.
Congrats, Swoon! Well Done, once again! The commodification of our world's heritage is a sad sad fact nowadays. Thanks for helping ebb that tide... I'm so happy to call her a friend... I can't work out if you're actually congratualting Swoon or taking the piss out of her considering the whole commodification of street art thang. |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by darjeeling on Jan 5, 2008 23:26:43 GMT 1, This strategy is going to haunt these overnight sensation artists one day... I'm curious as to why you feel Swoon is a overnight sensation?
I don't think Swoon is an overnight sensation. But I do think the way prices jump make it seem that way. I think it's a strong point that the OP made about printhouses and galleries selling prints at full or over market value. It's a strategy that can backfire. Look at Obey $30 a print. It only drives up demand and the frenzy. Same with Banksy. If Stop and Search sold for ยฃ5000 on POW there would not be the same frenzy about it as when it sells for ยฃ500 - it would be a whole different world.
As for this print, it's a nice piece but the edition is HUGE. Good cause? Sure send $10 to Salvation army and save your cash for the next print.
This strategy is going to haunt these overnight sensation artists one day... I'm curious as to why you feel Swoon is a overnight sensation? I don't think Swoon is an overnight sensation. But I do think the way prices jump make it seem that way. I think it's a strong point that the OP made about printhouses and galleries selling prints at full or over market value. It's a strategy that can backfire. Look at Obey $30 a print. It only drives up demand and the frenzy. Same with Banksy. If Stop and Search sold for ยฃ5000 on POW there would not be the same frenzy about it as when it sells for ยฃ500 - it would be a whole different world. As for this print, it's a nice piece but the edition is HUGE. Good cause? Sure send $10 to Salvation army and save your cash for the next print. |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by Francis on Jan 5, 2008 23:50:11 GMT 1, I thought he was just taking a piss.
But, you are right, darjeeling....the primary market (for editioned prints) CAN NOT and SHOULD NOT price pieces at "market value" because "market value" is not for the ENTIRE RUN. Additionally, as you mentioned, it takes out the thrill of scoring, the excitement of buying something at a lower cost than you'd be able to later, and buzz.
I thought he was just taking a piss.
But, you are right, darjeeling....the primary market (for editioned prints) CAN NOT and SHOULD NOT price pieces at "market value" because "market value" is not for the ENTIRE RUN. Additionally, as you mentioned, it takes out the thrill of scoring, the excitement of buying something at a lower cost than you'd be able to later, and buzz.
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by Guest on Jan 5, 2008 23:54:23 GMT 1, Congrats, Swoon! Well Done, once again! The commodification of our world's heritage is a sad sad fact nowadays. Thanks for helping ebb that tide... I'm so happy to call her a friend... I can't work out if you're actually congratualting Swoon or taking the piss out of her considering the whole commodification of street art thang.
No really. Regardless of the state of affairs of the genre, those of us who have been around before it was a trend don't even think of it in those terms. It is what it is, and it consumes us. Then again, it's hard to understand the outside perspective when you're inside the room...
The fact that ALL of these artist's have become L'Enfant Terribles of the artworld simply strengthen's my argument that SWOON's work should be celebrated in all contexts.
The reality is that while Street Art has lost it's hold as the last bastion of the counter-culture, SWOON has maintained her integrity AND continued to create really important Artwork. Why else do you think she is so loved by everyone who meets and works with her? It's not completely about masturbating on paper for her (like it is with so many other "street artist's" and "Graffiti Writers"); it's also about the Social Life of Things and the world around us.
Bottom line: She gets it. That's why we love her. If you don't get her work, then you don't get it, and that's too bad. But that's you're own social context, and that's cool too. 
I don't compliment people unless I'm honest. I was being honest, and I'll repeat myself, I'm happy to call her my friend.
Congrats, Swoon! Well Done, once again! The commodification of our world's heritage is a sad sad fact nowadays. Thanks for helping ebb that tide... I'm so happy to call her a friend... I can't work out if you're actually congratualting Swoon or taking the piss out of her considering the whole commodification of street art thang. No really. Regardless of the state of affairs of the genre, those of us who have been around before it was a trend don't even think of it in those terms. It is what it is, and it consumes us. Then again, it's hard to understand the outside perspective when you're inside the room... The fact that ALL of these artist's have become L'Enfant Terribles of the artworld simply strengthen's my argument that SWOON's work should be celebrated in all contexts. The reality is that while Street Art has lost it's hold as the last bastion of the counter-culture, SWOON has maintained her integrity AND continued to create really important Artwork. Why else do you think she is so loved by everyone who meets and works with her? It's not completely about masturbating on paper for her (like it is with so many other "street artist's" and "Graffiti Writers"); it's also about the Social Life of Things and the world around us. Bottom line: She gets it. That's why we love her. If you don't get her work, then you don't get it, and that's too bad. But that's you're own social context, and that's cool too. I don't compliment people unless I'm honest. I was being honest, and I'll repeat myself, I'm happy to call her my friend. |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by Francis on Jan 6, 2008 0:06:08 GMT 1, Jet-Set Graffiti, if you are truly in the inside, what about all that talk from her peers who feel that she is money grabbing right now?
Jet-Set Graffiti, if you are truly in the inside, what about all that talk from her peers who feel that she is money grabbing right now?
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by Guest on Jan 6, 2008 0:29:39 GMT 1, Yes, I'm truly on the inside, the inside of my own head. Let's leave it at that for now.
Back on topic:
I don't know anything about that... If I did, I wouldn't perpetuate that rumour, as I know that it's baseless and false.
How is taking an image, making it into a print edition worth $120,000 and donating ALL of the profits considered "Money Grabbing". "Money Making" might be a more true and more polite way of discussing it.
The artist is using her fame and success to help others in this instance. Maybe I'm retarded, but I just can't find fault with that.
Yes, I'm truly on the inside, the inside of my own head. Let's leave it at that for now. Back on topic: I don't know anything about that... If I did, I wouldn't perpetuate that rumour, as I know that it's baseless and false. How is taking an image, making it into a print edition worth $120,000 and donating ALL of the profits considered "Money Grabbing". "Money Making" might be a more true and more polite way of discussing it. The artist is using her fame and success to help others in this instance. Maybe I'm retarded, but I just can't find fault with that. |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by pezlow on Jan 6, 2008 9:03:12 GMT 1, Jet-Set Graffiti, if you are truly in the inside, what about all that talk from her peers who feel that she is money grabbing right now?
The only talk I have heard like this is on this forum. And it is just wrong.
Swoon has only done 3 commercial prints - one from BRP and 2 from paper monster all in pretty small edition sizes. Plus sales of a few originals. Against numerous prints and originals where the proceeds have gone to charitable causes. Lots of artists in this scene might be accused of being "money grabbing" but I really wouldn't include swoon in that.
Jet-Set Graffiti, if you are truly in the inside, what about all that talk from her peers who feel that she is money grabbing right now? The only talk I have heard like this is on this forum. And it is just wrong. Swoon has only done 3 commercial prints - one from BRP and 2 from paper monster all in pretty small edition sizes. Plus sales of a few originals. Against numerous prints and originals where the proceeds have gone to charitable causes. Lots of artists in this scene might be accused of being "money grabbing" but I really wouldn't include swoon in that. |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by dkla on Jan 6, 2008 17:01:09 GMT 1, strong strong image, great story, large edition (but each unique), ยฃ200 ish, great cause โ this image deserves to be sold out the way the ghetto's releases did.
Agreed.
strong strong image, great story, large edition (but each unique), ยฃ200 ish, great cause โ this image deserves to be sold out the way the ghetto's releases did. Agreed. |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by BlackRatPress on Jan 7, 2008 0:25:34 GMT 1, Jet-Set Graffiti, if you are truly in the inside, what about all that talk from her peers who feel that she is money grabbing right now?
this is a stupid comment and based on no knowledge. She is the least money grabbing person i have met
Jet-Set Graffiti, if you are truly in the inside, what about all that talk from her peers who feel that she is money grabbing right now? this is a stupid comment and based on no knowledge. She is the least money grabbing person i have met |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by ricosg11 on Jan 7, 2008 1:58:26 GMT 1, Ill also add that Swoon is one of the only artists that has kept the price of her original work consistent over the last year and a half. Shes a 30 year old artist raising money to set up a free school. What more needs to be said?
Ill also add that Swoon is one of the only artists that has kept the price of her original work consistent over the last year and a half. Shes a 30 year old artist raising money to set up a free school. What more needs to be said?
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by dkla on Feb 9, 2008 15:17:10 GMT 1, Hey, does anybody own Swoon's Boy (Strong) print and if so, would you mind posting some pics of it, framed or unframed? I've been on the fence for this one and would love the chance to see it more "up close". Thanks!
Hey, does anybody own Swoon's Boy (Strong) print and if so, would you mind posting some pics of it, framed or unframed? I've been on the fence for this one and would love the chance to see it more "up close". Thanks! |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by Glitter G on Feb 9, 2008 15:22:19 GMT 1, I don't have any pictures, but the print is beautiful. If you like the image the print won't disappoint you.
I'll try to post some pics later.
jose
I don't have any pictures, but the print is beautiful. If you like the image the print won't disappoint you.
I'll try to post some pics later.
jose
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by dkla on Feb 9, 2008 16:39:39 GMT 1, Thanks Jose - looking forward to seeing your pics!
Thanks Jose - looking forward to seeing your pics! |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by artso on Feb 9, 2008 17:15:04 GMT 1, I also own this print and must say it is definitely worth every penny as far as I am concerned...I love it....great print and the price is justifiable for her work imo especially if you really like her art. I also do not have any pics at the moment but will be framing this one soon... ;D
I also own this print and must say it is definitely worth every penny as far as I am concerned...I love it....great print and the price is justifiable for her work imo especially if you really like her art. I also do not have any pics at the moment but will be framing this one soon... ;D
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by ricosg11 on Feb 9, 2008 17:23:03 GMT 1, there is a pic in her framed section on wkand y
there is a pic in her framed section on wkand y
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by Glitter G on Feb 9, 2008 22:26:59 GMT 1, Sorry but I only have this terrible pic that I took when I got it:
Sorry but I only have this terrible pic that I took when I got it: |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by foundation on Feb 9, 2008 22:28:37 GMT 1, nice one framed up in the swoon gallery on W K.
nice one framed up in the swoon gallery on W K.
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by Francis on Feb 10, 2008 1:43:56 GMT 1, there is a pic in her framed section on wkand y
The law offices of W,K and Y have a framed one in their offices? Do they have public viewings?
there is a pic in her framed section on wkand y The law offices of W,K and Y have a framed one in their offices? Do they have public viewings? |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by dkla on Feb 10, 2008 20:41:50 GMT 1, Thank you. The print looks great.  Might just have to pick one up!
Thank you. The print looks great. Might just have to pick one up! |
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by rkitek on Feb 15, 2008 5:46:58 GMT 1, I dropped by New Image Art Gallery this evening and got a glimpse at the preparation for Swoon's show, Drown Your Boats, that will be opening this weekend. Once again, she is transforming the entire gallery like last year (sans Faile and company) and the quality of the work is simply amazing -- there looks to be a lot of new work that she hasn't shown before.
There's still working like crazy to get the show done, but if you have an opportunity to go by this weekend or at any point during the run of the show, you won't be disappointed. Looks like it could be one of the highlights this year in LA.
I dropped by New Image Art Gallery this evening and got a glimpse at the preparation for Swoon's show, Drown Your Boats, that will be opening this weekend. Once again, she is transforming the entire gallery like last year (sans Faile and company) and the quality of the work is simply amazing -- there looks to be a lot of new work that she hasn't shown before.
There's still working like crazy to get the show done, but if you have an opportunity to go by this weekend or at any point during the run of the show, you won't be disappointed. Looks like it could be one of the highlights this year in LA.
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by pezlow on Feb 15, 2008 7:18:49 GMT 1, Sounds great. Can't wait to see pics.
Sounds great. Can't wait to see pics.
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by rkitek on Feb 15, 2008 7:44:58 GMT 1, I'll try to take some on Saturday and post them this weekend.
I'll try to take some on Saturday and post them this weekend.
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Swoon ๐บ๐ธ Contemporary Art โข Street Art โข Art For Sale, by Francis on Feb 15, 2008 8:55:25 GMT 1, Will there be stuff available for purchase?
Will there be stuff available for purchase?
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Might just have to pick one up!
