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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Zanda on Mar 10, 2017 17:47:09 GMT 1, I have been offered more than that already.
I have been offered more than that already.
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by highflyer on Mar 10, 2017 17:54:20 GMT 1, Bite their arm off!
Bite their arm off!
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by hman on Mar 10, 2017 19:01:31 GMT 1, it is well worth ยฃ700 and it will be a good investment for the buyer  Super quality as everything from Pejac.
it is well worth ยฃ700 and it will be a good investment for the buyer Super quality as everything from Pejac. |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by highflyer on Mar 10, 2017 19:48:16 GMT 1, it is well worth ยฃ700 and it will be a good investment for the buyer Super quality as everything from Pejac.
Except they go for ยฃ500 on EBay...
it is well worth ยฃ700 and it will be a good investment for the buyer Super quality as everything from Pejac. Except they go for ยฃ500 on EBay... |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Icesay on Mar 10, 2017 20:05:14 GMT 1, it is well worth ยฃ700 and it will be a good investment for the buyer Super quality as everything from Pejac. Except they go for ยฃ500 on EBay...
Cheapest was ยฃ599.
it is well worth ยฃ700 and it will be a good investment for the buyer Super quality as everything from Pejac. Except they go for ยฃ500 on EBay... Cheapest was ยฃ599. |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Zanda on Mar 10, 2017 20:10:58 GMT 1, Ok ... well I've taken a look at past ebay sales, in case I was way off. There would be no point in trying to sell this at ยฃ700 if you can pick them up for ยฃ500 right?
15th Feb one sold from the states for ยฃ658 and post + import pushes that cost up significantly
another sold on the same day in the UK for ยฃ850 + postage
There was one selling very recently, but it didn't sell because it didn't meet the reserve. So people can see for themselves that the point you made is entirely baseless unless you have some evidence to the contrary?
Ok ... well I've taken a look at past ebay sales, in case I was way off. There would be no point in trying to sell this at ยฃ700 if you can pick them up for ยฃ500 right?
15th Feb one sold from the states for ยฃ658 and post + import pushes that cost up significantly
another sold on the same day in the UK for ยฃ850 + postage
There was one selling very recently, but it didn't sell because it didn't meet the reserve. So people can see for themselves that the point you made is entirely baseless unless you have some evidence to the contrary?
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 20:11:44 GMT 1, no worries. Was happy to make offer. I have seen in the $700usd range on ebay before but wanted to save forum member fees. Maybe today cheapest is 600gbp on ebay, but the supply changes often. This is not a small run, and there seems to be about 5000 A/P's out there.
no worries. Was happy to make offer. I have seen in the $700usd range on ebay before but wanted to save forum member fees. Maybe today cheapest is 600gbp on ebay, but the supply changes often. This is not a small run, and there seems to be about 5000 A/P's out there.
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by highflyer on Mar 10, 2017 20:11:54 GMT 1, Except they go for ยฃ500 on EBay... Cheapest was ยฃ599.
Bullshiiiiiiiiiit :-)
One finished yesterday or whenever for ยฃ510.
And I've seen them go in the ยฃ400's
Except they go for ยฃ500 on EBay... Cheapest was ยฃ599. Bullshiiiiiiiiiit :-) One finished yesterday or whenever for ยฃ510. And I've seen them go in the ยฃ400's |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 20:12:47 GMT 1, Bullshiiiiiiiiiit :-) One finished yesterday or whenever for ยฃ510. And I've seen them go in the ยฃ400's
Bullshiiiiiiiiiit :-) One finished yesterday or whenever for ยฃ510. And I've seen them go in the ยฃ400's FACT |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Zanda on Mar 10, 2017 20:16:17 GMT 1, one finished yesterday at ยฃ510 which didn't sell because there was a reserve on it. That doesn't establish its value at ยฃ510 ... any evidence to the contrary please show me.
Harrington FAN you are welcome to make an offer, just your previous one was too shy.
one finished yesterday at ยฃ510 which didn't sell because there was a reserve on it. That doesn't establish its value at ยฃ510 ... any evidence to the contrary please show me. Harrington FAN you are welcome to make an offer, just your previous one was too shy. |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 20:22:25 GMT 1,
you can see clearly where it trades. Graphs etc. So last tracked print on EBeans for ebay was $750, call it $75 in fees. this gets you to $675. USDGBP .8 on that date gets you to 540gbp.
you can see clearly where it trades. Graphs etc. So last tracked print on EBeans for ebay was $750, call it $75 in fees. this gets you to $675. USDGBP .8 on that date gets you to 540gbp. |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Loobaz on Mar 10, 2017 20:24:24 GMT 1, one finished yesterday at ยฃ510 and it didn't sell because there was a reserve on it. That doesn't establish its value at ยฃ510 ... any evidence to the contrary please show
one finished yesterday at ยฃ510 and it didn't sell because there was a reserve on it. That doesn't establish its value at ยฃ510 ... any evidence to the contrary please show There seems to be one repeatedly going unsold on the 'Bay at ยฃ700, so that would suggest it's not quite there, and that doesn't factor in eBay fees, which I'm sure people here would hope sellers take into account. Worth bearing in mind, maybe. |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by highflyer on Mar 10, 2017 20:33:48 GMT 1, Bullshiiiiiiiiiit :-) One finished yesterday or whenever for ยฃ510. And I've seen them go in the ยฃ400's FACT
Haha...a bit of Brent in there?? :-)
Bullshiiiiiiiiiit :-) One finished yesterday or whenever for ยฃ510. And I've seen them go in the ยฃ400's FACT Haha...a bit of Brent in there?? :-) |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by hman on Mar 10, 2017 20:54:57 GMT 1, Expressobean curve indicates ~1000 US$ present day value, with both first and second derivatives positive.. ยฃ700 should be a very reasonable price based on this dataset....
To pick one or two recent sales is quite meaningless. I personally trust the expressobeans curves and the larger dataset.
Expressobean curve indicates ~1000 US$ present day value, with both first and second derivatives positive.. ยฃ700 should be a very reasonable price based on this dataset....
To pick one or two recent sales is quite meaningless. I personally trust the expressobeans curves and the larger dataset.
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 21:01:36 GMT 1, Expressobean curve indicates ~1000 US$ present day value, with both first and second derivatives positive.. ยฃ700 should be a very reasonable price based on this dataset.... To pick one or two recent sales is quite meaningless. I personally trust the expressobeans curves and the larger dataset.
Expressobean curve indicates ~1000 US$ present day value, with both first and second derivatives positive.. ยฃ700 should be a very reasonable price based on this dataset.... To pick one or two recent sales is quite meaningless. I personally trust the expressobeans curves and the larger dataset. Where is your pv of $1000 coming from? of the 27 trades from july to feb only 1 was above 1k, and the avg was $833. In print valuation, there tends to be a peak then tail off in that 6 months so why assume this will keep going higher as demand gets filled by flippers? |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Loobaz on Mar 10, 2017 21:03:51 GMT 1, ยฃ700 should be a very reasonable price based on this dataset.... To pick one or two recent sales is quite meaningless.
As for the referencing recent sales over the larger pool, I think it can be more accurate in certain cases. Just look at Invader, for example.
(If Expressobeans is your favoured reference point, the last EB sale recorded was $750, from a Gallery, too)
Time for rugby.
ยฃ700 should be a very reasonable price based on this dataset.... To pick one or two recent sales is quite meaningless. So, how do you balance that with it going unsold at ยฃ700 just a week ago? And 2 weeks ago... As for the referencing recent sales over the larger pool, I think it can be more accurate in certain cases. Just look at Invader, for example. (If Expressobeans is your favoured reference point, the last EB sale recorded was $750, from a Gallery, too) Time for rugby. |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Zanda on Mar 10, 2017 21:04:56 GMT 1,
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by hman on Mar 10, 2017 21:05:46 GMT 1, Expressobean curve indicates ~1000 US$ present day value, with both first and second derivatives positive.. ยฃ700 should be a very reasonable price based on this dataset.... To pick one or two recent sales is quite meaningless. I personally trust the expressobeans curves and the larger dataset. Where is your pv of $1000 coming from? of the 27 trades from july to feb only 1 was above 1k, and the avg was $833. In print valuation, there tends to be a peak then tail off in that 6 months so why assume this will keep going higher as demand gets filled by flippers?
Read the curve, not individual data.
I should maybe point out that I know that the curves are not exactly predictive, but I believe they give the best indications of the curent trend.
Expressobean curve indicates ~1000 US$ present day value, with both first and second derivatives positive.. ยฃ700 should be a very reasonable price based on this dataset.... To pick one or two recent sales is quite meaningless. I personally trust the expressobeans curves and the larger dataset. Where is your pv of $1000 coming from? of the 27 trades from july to feb only 1 was above 1k, and the avg was $833. In print valuation, there tends to be a peak then tail off in that 6 months so why assume this will keep going higher as demand gets filled by flippers? Read the curve, not individual data. I should maybe point out that I know that the curves are not exactly predictive, but I believe they give the best indications of the curent trend. |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by hman on Mar 10, 2017 21:11:23 GMT 1, no worries. Was happy to make offer. I have seen in the $700usd range on ebay before but wanted to save forum member fees. Maybe today cheapest is 600gbp on ebay, but the supply changes often. This is not a small run, and there seems to be about 5000 A/P's out there.
30 APs, to be exact.
no worries. Was happy to make offer. I have seen in the $700usd range on ebay before but wanted to save forum member fees. Maybe today cheapest is 600gbp on ebay, but the supply changes often. This is not a small run, and there seems to be about 5000 A/P's out there. 30 APs, to be exact. |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Zanda on Mar 10, 2017 21:13:10 GMT 1, I see no evidence for this mysterious ยฃ700 print which doesn't sell. If you look at ebay completed listings there is one which didn't sell for ยฃ750 (ended 10th Feb) and has been relisted at the same price.
The sale before that a best offer was accepted by a member here for ยฃ680. So while I welcome discussion, throwing out misinformation to feed some agenda or other doesn't really help anyone I believe.
I see no evidence for this mysterious ยฃ700 print which doesn't sell. If you look at ebay completed listings there is one which didn't sell for ยฃ750 (ended 10th Feb) and has been relisted at the same price.
The sale before that a best offer was accepted by a member here for ยฃ680. So while I welcome discussion, throwing out misinformation to feed some agenda or other doesn't really help anyone I believe.
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by highflyer on Mar 10, 2017 21:29:29 GMT 1, Except they go for ยฃ500 on EBay... Cheapest was ยฃ599.
That one went for ยฃ550. 10% selling fee to take off as well.
Except they go for ยฃ500 on EBay... Cheapest was ยฃ599. That one went for ยฃ550. 10% selling fee to take off as well. |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 21:30:02 GMT 1, You did not answer my logical points at all. Also, EB curves are useless. here is an actual time series curve stripping out AP's. Predicting a decline?
You did not answer my logical points at all. Also, EB curves are useless. here is an actual time series curve stripping out AP's. Predicting a decline? |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 21:33:41 GMT 1, Anyway, this is noise. No one is paying 700gbp so moving on. If you really want to sell at "market", you have your bottom now of 550gbp. Maybe someone steps up to 600gbp on here. Otherwise we can all just move along to other topics.
Anyway, this is noise. No one is paying 700gbp so moving on. If you really want to sell at "market", you have your bottom now of 550gbp. Maybe someone steps up to 600gbp on here. Otherwise we can all just move along to other topics.
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by highflyer on Mar 10, 2017 21:34:01 GMT 1, I don't think it's misinformation and the agenda is that this is a forum and people will discuss current prices of pieces.
The last auction reached ยฃ510...it didn't reach the reserve but it did reach ยฃ510. The print that sold in December went for ยฃ550. Both these have a 10% fee to take off as well.
But I hope you get ยฃ2,000 for the print. I really do. There is no misinformation.
I don't think it's misinformation and the agenda is that this is a forum and people will discuss current prices of pieces.
The last auction reached ยฃ510...it didn't reach the reserve but it did reach ยฃ510. The print that sold in December went for ยฃ550. Both these have a 10% fee to take off as well.
But I hope you get ยฃ2,000 for the print. I really do. There is no misinformation.
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Loobaz on Mar 10, 2017 21:37:39 GMT 1, I see no evidence for this mysterious ยฃ700 print which doesn't sell. If you look at ebay completed listings there is one which didn't sell for ยฃ750 (ended 10th Feb) and has been relisted at the same price. The sale before that a best offer was accepted by a member here for ยฃ680. So while I welcome discussion, throwing out misinformation to feed some agenda or other doesn't really help anyone I believe.
Ebay sale here went unsold at ยฃ700 on 24th Feb: Linea
Relisted and went unsold again on 4th March: Linea
I see no evidence for this mysterious ยฃ700 print which doesn't sell. If you look at ebay completed listings there is one which didn't sell for ยฃ750 (ended 10th Feb) and has been relisted at the same price. The sale before that a best offer was accepted by a member here for ยฃ680. So while I welcome discussion, throwing out misinformation to feed some agenda or other doesn't really help anyone I believe. I'm not throwing out misinformation Zanda, and no mystery to the sales. Ebay sale here went unsold at ยฃ700 on 24th Feb: LineaRelisted and went unsold again on 4th March: Linea |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Zanda on Mar 10, 2017 21:38:12 GMT 1, from my experience a lot of people prefer to do their own framing no matter how well it has been done
from my experience a lot of people prefer to do their own framing no matter how well it has been done
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by hman on Mar 10, 2017 21:40:03 GMT 1, You did not answer my logical points at all. Also, EB curves are useless. here is an actual time series curve stripping out AP's. Predicting a decline?
Not true. data from 23/8-2016 to 23/2-2017 have a positive trend that is quite easy to see. Funny that you plot points from 23/2-2017 to 23/6-2017 with a negative trend though.... you know something I (we) do not know?
You did not answer my logical points at all. Also, EB curves are useless. here is an actual time series curve stripping out AP's. Predicting a decline? Not true. data from 23/8-2016 to 23/2-2017 have a positive trend that is quite easy to see. Funny that you plot points from 23/2-2017 to 23/6-2017 with a negative trend though.... you know something I (we) do not know? |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by hman on Mar 10, 2017 21:42:25 GMT 1,
"Based in London, prefer pick up" turned me down
"Based in London, prefer pick up" turned me down |
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Pejac โข Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 21:45:26 GMT 1, You did not answer my logical points at all. Also, EB curves are useless. here is an actual time series curve stripping out AP's. Predicting a decline? Not true. data from 23/8-2016 to 23/2-2017 have a positive trend that is quite easy to see. Funny that you plot points from 23/2-2017 to 23/6-2017 with a negative trend though.... you know something I (we) do not know?
multiple photo upload
You did not answer my logical points at all. Also, EB curves are useless. here is an actual time series curve stripping out AP's. Predicting a decline? Not true. data from 23/8-2016 to 23/2-2017 have a positive trend that is quite easy to see. Funny that you plot points from 23/2-2017 to 23/6-2017 with a negative trend though.... you know something I (we) do not know? My bad. there was a rounding on last line item in excel. i have fixed it. it actually now looks mor edamning for your "upward" price pressure. All the data is on this chart so whats to deny? multiple photo upload |
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Super quality as everything from Pejac.
