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Pejac • Linea Print, by Zanda on Mar 10, 2017 21:45:45 GMT 1, To Loobaz thank you for the evidence. That unsold didn't show up in my past sales search. I had just entered Pejac but I think your search was more specific. Ok so one didn't sell for £700 yet some have sold for significantly more. I also can bear in mind ebay fees as you previously brought up. I'm not statistician but if you do look at the expresso graph it's pretty clear which way things are going. I do think these are a good investment, but for personal reasons I'm letting this go now.
To Loobaz thank you for the evidence. That unsold didn't show up in my past sales search. I had just entered Pejac but I think your search was more specific. Ok so one didn't sell for £700 yet some have sold for significantly more. I also can bear in mind ebay fees as you previously brought up. I'm not statistician but if you do look at the expresso graph it's pretty clear which way things are going. I do think these are a good investment, but for personal reasons I'm letting this go now. |
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Pejac • Linea Print, by cyberkid on Mar 10, 2017 21:46:24 GMT 1, boring...
boring...
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Pejac • Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 21:47:48 GMT 1, lets pump the breaks on EB charting. i just used excel and look at it. clearly not some upward trend!
lets pump the breaks on EB charting. i just used excel and look at it. clearly not some upward trend!
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Pejac • Linea Print, by hman on Mar 10, 2017 21:50:22 GMT 1, Not true. data from 23/8-2016 to 23/2-2017 have a positive trend that is quite easy to see. Funny that you plot points from 23/2-2017 to 23/6-2017 with a negative trend though.... you know something I (we) do not know? My bad. there was a rounding on last line item in excel. i have fixed it. it actually now looks mor edamning for your "upward" price pressure. All the data is on this chart so whats to deny?  multiple photo upload
it shows an u-shaped curve, typical for art-sale.
After the flippers manage to get some initial high prices from desperate buyers just after release, things relax and prices go down. Then, the "normal" market kicks inn, and prices start climbing (for popular artists such as Pejac that is).
Not true. data from 23/8-2016 to 23/2-2017 have a positive trend that is quite easy to see. Funny that you plot points from 23/2-2017 to 23/6-2017 with a negative trend though.... you know something I (we) do not know? My bad. there was a rounding on last line item in excel. i have fixed it. it actually now looks mor edamning for your "upward" price pressure. All the data is on this chart so whats to deny? multiple photo uploadit shows an u-shaped curve, typical for art-sale. After the flippers manage to get some initial high prices from desperate buyers just after release, things relax and prices go down. Then, the "normal" market kicks inn, and prices start climbing (for popular artists such as Pejac that is). |
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Pejac • Linea Print, by .dappy on Mar 10, 2017 21:50:47 GMT 1, ... f*ck me guys ... the bloke is trying to sell a pejac linea ... a very nice piece in fact ... not worth a fortune, but looks good on the wall ... send him a PM and offer of what you would like to buy it for ... if you want it
... f*ck me guys ... the bloke is trying to sell a pejac linea ... a very nice piece in fact ... not worth a fortune, but looks good on the wall ... send him a PM and offer of what you would like to buy it for ... if you want it
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Pejac • Linea Print, by Zanda on Mar 10, 2017 21:52:02 GMT 1, ok you guys. You win, the print is in fact valueless, I admit it. Show was great though and I see a great future for Pejac.
ok you guys. You win, the print is in fact valueless, I admit it. Show was great though and I see a great future for Pejac.
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Pejac • Linea Print, by floubi on Mar 10, 2017 21:53:37 GMT 1, I own one of these prints. It's a beautiful one, the next print that will go to the framer. GLWYS
I own one of these prints. It's a beautiful one, the next print that will go to the framer. GLWYS
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Pejac • Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 21:56:35 GMT 1, so what you are saying is underlying data is not important, just slapping an upward curve that is not supported by data is all we should do? so if stock market goes from 10k to 11k to 6k, as long as i put a smiley face curve it means i should pay 10k? dude what?
the print doesn't sell for 700gbp. it just doesn't. Flip thats to a USD and the 25 data points make sense. super simple. Ok, now im actually moving on. I hope all my art prices with a smile goin forward! 
so what you are saying is underlying data is not important, just slapping an upward curve that is not supported by data is all we should do? so if stock market goes from 10k to 11k to 6k, as long as i put a smiley face curve it means i should pay 10k? dude what? the print doesn't sell for 700gbp. it just doesn't. Flip thats to a USD and the 25 data points make sense. super simple. Ok, now im actually moving on. I hope all my art prices with a smile goin forward! |
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Pejac • Linea Print, by londonfx on Mar 10, 2017 21:58:58 GMT 1, I wouldn't take the EB forum charts are gospel! they are good indicators, but can easily be doctored. Its not just ebay sales that are entered into the figures (which can be verified) members can input their own sales figures as well. Which cannot be verified.
I wouldn't take the EB forum charts are gospel! they are good indicators, but can easily be doctored. Its not just ebay sales that are entered into the figures (which can be verified) members can input their own sales figures as well. Which cannot be verified.
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Pejac • Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 21:59:37 GMT 1, why is it valueless? it just sold brand new to you for $350. It now sells for around 550gbp (660usd) minus fees. Double its sale price. I dont get why there is no value.
My harrington transformer i just put up sells from 1800-2400. Very clear prints on EB just like this pejac. I said ill sell, best offer from 1800 or higher gets it. Not "well in 2 years its gonna be worth 5k so pay me 4k"
why is it valueless? it just sold brand new to you for $350. It now sells for around 550gbp (660usd) minus fees. Double its sale price. I dont get why there is no value.
My harrington transformer i just put up sells from 1800-2400. Very clear prints on EB just like this pejac. I said ill sell, best offer from 1800 or higher gets it. Not "well in 2 years its gonna be worth 5k so pay me 4k"
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Pejac • Linea Print, by hman on Mar 10, 2017 21:59:51 GMT 1, so what you are saying is underlying data is not important, just slapping an upward curve that is not supported by data is all we should do? so if stock market goes from 10k to 11k to 6k, as long as i put a smiley face curve it means i should pay 10k? dude what? the print doesn't sell for 700gbp. it just doesn't. Flip thats to a USD and the 25 data points make sense. super simple. Ok, now im actually moving on. I hope all my art prices with a smile goin forward!
The "smiley face curve" is a polynomial fit the the data. Nothing more scientific than that dude.
so what you are saying is underlying data is not important, just slapping an upward curve that is not supported by data is all we should do? so if stock market goes from 10k to 11k to 6k, as long as i put a smiley face curve it means i should pay 10k? dude what? the print doesn't sell for 700gbp. it just doesn't. Flip thats to a USD and the 25 data points make sense. super simple. Ok, now im actually moving on. I hope all my art prices with a smile goin forward! The "smiley face curve" is a polynomial fit the the data. Nothing more scientific than that dude. |
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Pejac • Linea Print, by highflyer on Mar 10, 2017 22:07:55 GMT 1, why is it valueless? it just sold brand new to you for $350. It now sells for around 550gbp (660usd) minus fees. Double its sale price. I dont get why there is no value. My harrington transformer i just put up sells from 1800-2400. Very clear prints on EB just like this pejac. I said ill sell, best offer from 1800 or higher gets it. Not "well in 2 years its gonna be worth 5k so pay me 4k"
Don't reckon you'll get that either :-)
why is it valueless? it just sold brand new to you for $350. It now sells for around 550gbp (660usd) minus fees. Double its sale price. I dont get why there is no value. My harrington transformer i just put up sells from 1800-2400. Very clear prints on EB just like this pejac. I said ill sell, best offer from 1800 or higher gets it. Not "well in 2 years its gonna be worth 5k so pay me 4k" Don't reckon you'll get that either :-) |
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Pejac • Linea Print, by mash on Mar 10, 2017 22:09:36 GMT 1, I paid £730 for mine off a forum member. AP. Very happy with it too. Be back from framers next week.
The reality is if it's 600-800 it's in that ballpark. We are talking 100£ poss 200 spread. Not exactly life changing amounts.
In addition to that had chance to meet another member, decent fella just what you'd expect and a quick chat about this and that. Hardly worth getting the excel out for.
I paid £730 for mine off a forum member. AP. Very happy with it too. Be back from framers next week.
The reality is if it's 600-800 it's in that ballpark. We are talking 100£ poss 200 spread. Not exactly life changing amounts.
In addition to that had chance to meet another member, decent fella just what you'd expect and a quick chat about this and that. Hardly worth getting the excel out for.
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Pejac • Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 22:12:39 GMT 1, muahahahaha. data supports it!
2017-02-10 $2184.09 eBay
2017-01-25 $1850.00 christorge2
2017-01-05 $2059.92 eBay
2016-12-20 $1900.00 soupysound
2016-12-20 $1672.85 eBay
2016-12-18 $1864.95 eBay
2016-12-17 $2081.90 eBay
2016-12-15 $2450.00 eBay
muahahahaha. data supports it!
2017-02-10 $2184.09 eBay
2017-01-25 $1850.00 christorge2
2017-01-05 $2059.92 eBay
2016-12-20 $1900.00 soupysound
2016-12-20 $1672.85 eBay
2016-12-18 $1864.95 eBay
2016-12-17 $2081.90 eBay
2016-12-15 $2450.00 eBay
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Pejac • Linea Print, by highflyer on Mar 10, 2017 22:14:37 GMT 1, Errrm the AP is exactly the same as the standard edition...
Errrm the AP is exactly the same as the standard edition...
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Pejac • Linea Print, by Harrington FAN on Mar 10, 2017 22:15:33 GMT 1, linea is very cool print. GLWTS. Honestly i could be way off.
linea is very cool print. GLWTS. Honestly i could be way off.
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Pejac • Linea Print, by highflyer on Mar 10, 2017 22:16:34 GMT 1, muahahahaha. data supports it! 2017-02-10 $2184.09 eBay 2017-01-25 $1850.00 christorge2 2017-01-05 $2059.92 eBay 2016-12-20 $1900.00 soupysound 2016-12-20 $1672.85 eBay 2016-12-18 $1864.95 eBay 2016-12-17 $2081.90 eBay 2016-12-15 $2450.00 eBay
Supports what? That I don't reckon you'll get it?
Let's see shall we...
muahahahaha. data supports it! 2017-02-10 $2184.09 eBay 2017-01-25 $1850.00 christorge2 2017-01-05 $2059.92 eBay 2016-12-20 $1900.00 soupysound 2016-12-20 $1672.85 eBay 2016-12-18 $1864.95 eBay 2016-12-17 $2081.90 eBay 2016-12-15 $2450.00 eBay Supports what? That I don't reckon you'll get it? Let's see shall we... |
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Zanda
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Pejac • Linea Print, by Zanda on Mar 10, 2017 22:35:16 GMT 1, Has this thread now been 'officially' and successfully derailed?
Has this thread now been 'officially' and successfully derailed?
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Pejac • Linea Print, by anic on Mar 10, 2017 22:41:21 GMT 1, Give it 6-12 months and someone will be bringing this thread up from the dead begging to buy this off you for 700...
Give it 6-12 months and someone will be bringing this thread up from the dead begging to buy this off you for 700...
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Pejac • Linea Print, by 11 on Mar 10, 2017 22:53:07 GMT 1, An appalling thread
The guy offers up a piece states a price and from wht I can see has been entirely reasonable in every way
I'd be fucking embarrassed to have derailed someone's thread without any cause - but give yourselves a pat on the back it must feel
Really good (if you're 3 yrs old)
An appalling thread
The guy offers up a piece states a price and from wht I can see has been entirely reasonable in every way
I'd be fucking embarrassed to have derailed someone's thread without any cause - but give yourselves a pat on the back it must feel
Really good (if you're 3 yrs old)
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Pejac • Linea Print, by Coach on Mar 10, 2017 22:58:33 GMT 1, I've never seen anything like this!
This is embarrassing.
Let the chap sell his print.
f**kinggraphs?!
Edit just seen 11's post - couldn't agree more.
I've never seen anything like this!
This is embarrassing.
Let the chap sell his print.
f**kinggraphs?!
Edit just seen 11's post - couldn't agree more.
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Pejac • Linea Print, by Coach on Mar 10, 2017 23:00:40 GMT 1, Has this thread now been 'officially' and successfully derailed?
Yes. I'm sorry to say.
Has this thread now been 'officially' and successfully derailed? Yes. I'm sorry to say. |
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Pejac • Linea Print, by Loobaz on Mar 10, 2017 23:09:27 GMT 1, Has this thread now been 'officially' and successfully derailed? Yes. I'm sorry to say.
A true gent, and I can only wish him well with this sale.
Has this thread now been 'officially' and successfully derailed? Yes. I'm sorry to say. I PM'd Zanda a little while ago to apologise for my part. A true gent, and I can only wish him well with this sale. |
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Pejac • Linea Print, by mla on Mar 10, 2017 23:16:57 GMT 1, I find it comical how up in arms people get over a listed price in a for sale thread.
If it is priced incorrectly, it won't sell.
By consistently bumping the thread, you are actually assisting the person you are protesting against.
I find it comical how up in arms people get over a listed price in a for sale thread.
If it is priced incorrectly, it won't sell.
By consistently bumping the thread, you are actually assisting the person you are protesting against.
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Pejac • Linea Print, by samfrost on Mar 10, 2017 23:24:03 GMT 1, Give it 6-12 months and someone will be bringing this thread up from the dead begging to buy this off you for 700...
This...reminds me about another chap hunting for a Meadow for months only to see it move up and out price wise. Glwts.
Give it 6-12 months and someone will be bringing this thread up from the dead begging to buy this off you for 700... This...reminds me about another chap hunting for a Meadow for months only to see it move up and out price wise. Glwts. |
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Pejac • Linea Print, by highflyer on Mar 10, 2017 23:25:13 GMT 1, I find it comical how up in arms people get over a listed price in a for sale thread. If it is priced incorrectly, it won't sell. By consistently bumping the thread, you are actually assisting the person you are protesting against.
Actually...I disagree.
I find it comical how up in arms people get over a listed price in a for sale thread. If it is priced incorrectly, it won't sell. By consistently bumping the thread, you are actually assisting the person you are protesting against. Actually...I disagree. |
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Pejac • Linea Print, by Zanda on Mar 10, 2017 23:28:28 GMT 1, More like they were out to just sabotage the thread than were actually outraged. I don't think in my case bumping has helped other than providing some light entertainment. It looks a mess, and if no one else, this has actually put me off my sale. I think I'll probably be better off hanging onto it anyway, I might even eventually be able to find some wall space for it.
More like they were out to just sabotage the thread than were actually outraged. I don't think in my case bumping has helped other than providing some light entertainment. It looks a mess, and if no one else, this has actually put me off my sale. I think I'll probably be better off hanging onto it anyway, I might even eventually be able to find some wall space for it.
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Pejac • Linea Print, by highflyer on Mar 10, 2017 23:28:58 GMT 1, An appalling thread The guy offers up a piece states a price and from wht I can see has been entirely reasonable in every way I'd be f**kingembarrassed to have derailed someone's thread without any cause - but give yourselves a pat on the back it must feel Really good (if you're 3 yrs old)
Not at all. It's a forum, for discussing art. If you try to sell something, expect people to discuss the proposition. If you don't want them to, don't sell on a forum. OR list the sale in a different manner.
An appalling thread The guy offers up a piece states a price and from wht I can see has been entirely reasonable in every way I'd be f**kingembarrassed to have derailed someone's thread without any cause - but give yourselves a pat on the back it must feel Really good (if you're 3 yrs old) Not at all. It's a forum, for discussing art. If you try to sell something, expect people to discuss the proposition. If you don't want them to, don't sell on a forum. OR list the sale in a different manner. |
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Pejac • Linea Print, by rjf76 on Mar 10, 2017 23:30:35 GMT 1, Read through this complete thread and as others have said, pretty disrespectful and a perfect example of what this place is about now - money, money, money.
If you like it, buy it, if you don't, don't....but move on quietly.....this is just embarrassing.
Good luck Zanda ....hope you get what YOU'RE happy with!
Read through this complete thread and as others have said, pretty disrespectful and a perfect example of what this place is about now - money, money, money. If you like it, buy it, if you don't, don't....but move on quietly.....this is just embarrassing. Good luck Zanda ....hope you get what YOU'RE happy with! |
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Pejac • Linea Print, by Coach on Mar 10, 2017 23:34:44 GMT 1, An appalling thread The guy offers up a piece states a price and from wht I can see has been entirely reasonable in every way I'd be f**kingembarrassed to have derailed someone's thread without any cause - but give yourselves a pat on the back it must feel Really good (if you're 3 yrs old) Not at all. It's a forum, for discussing art. If you try to sell something, expect people to discuss the proposition. If you don't want them to, don't sell on a forum. OR list the sale in a different manner.
Of course you are free to post what you wish.
But there is, and has been for a long time, a general concensus that you don't fuck up another members sale thread, with the exception of that member being dishonest or a blatant flipper.
If you want to start a separate thread about the value of a particular print, do so.
An appalling thread The guy offers up a piece states a price and from wht I can see has been entirely reasonable in every way I'd be f**kingembarrassed to have derailed someone's thread without any cause - but give yourselves a pat on the back it must feel Really good (if you're 3 yrs old) Not at all. It's a forum, for discussing art. If you try to sell something, expect people to discuss the proposition. If you don't want them to, don't sell on a forum. OR list the sale in a different manner. Of course you are free to post what you wish. But there is, and has been for a long time, a general concensus that you don't fuck up another members sale thread, with the exception of that member being dishonest or a blatant flipper. If you want to start a separate thread about the value of a particular print, do so. |
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