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Framing, by Deleted on May 4, 2017 18:51:26 GMT 1, Its too much money
there must be an easier way
I am going to invent something which will enable more art to be hung
I got quoted ยฃ600 to frame something quite big 48 x36
thats a lot of money to me
so will probably mean i won't frame it, which really equates to =why did i buy it in the first place?
I think i have spunked ยฃ2k on framing this year so far, its too much
i reckon if i added everything up i have a total of ยฃ?k on framing in my house
seriously WTF am I on??? what a wanker
and to cap it all off, if ever i want to sell anything, the buyers have a hissy fit because its framed.
its all bollocks this art lark.
Its too much money
there must be an easier way
I am going to invent something which will enable more art to be hung
I got quoted ยฃ600 to frame something quite big 48 x36
thats a lot of money to me
so will probably mean i won't frame it, which really equates to =why did i buy it in the first place?
I think i have spunked ยฃ2k on framing this year so far, its too much
i reckon if i added everything up i have a total of ยฃ?k on framing in my house
seriously WTF am I on??? what a wanker
and to cap it all off, if ever i want to sell anything, the buyers have a hissy fit because its framed.
its all bollocks this art lark.
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Framing, by Sliding on the Walls on May 4, 2017 18:54:19 GMT 1, I blame EU regulations and Supermarkets dictating the prices mate, killing our farmers they are
I blame EU regulations and Supermarkets dictating the prices mate, killing our farmers they are
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Framing, by Deleted on May 4, 2017 19:00:34 GMT 1, I think framing is expensive as good framing is part of interior decoration.
I don't think it's rocket science but requires skill and equipment and mouldings and framers pay overheads.
I'm sure that with simple moulding and ordinary glass, the framing could be done for a lot less money.
I think an easier way could be modular frames where the mouldings are extrusions or wood moulding and special corner pieces are produced to hold the mouldings which make the four sides together securely. The mouldings could easily be cut to length and the corner pieces mad ein such a way to hold the corners and lengths together securely.
Maybe a combination of wood mouldings and 3D printed corners or something simpler.
I think framing is expensive as good framing is part of interior decoration.
I don't think it's rocket science but requires skill and equipment and mouldings and framers pay overheads.
I'm sure that with simple moulding and ordinary glass, the framing could be done for a lot less money.
I think an easier way could be modular frames where the mouldings are extrusions or wood moulding and special corner pieces are produced to hold the mouldings which make the four sides together securely. The mouldings could easily be cut to length and the corner pieces mad ein such a way to hold the corners and lengths together securely.
Maybe a combination of wood mouldings and 3D printed corners or something simpler.
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Framing, by nobokov on May 4, 2017 19:00:48 GMT 1, Agreed. You can save a little by purchasing the framing components online and then framing it yourself. I just tried float framing with wheatpaste and japanese paper and it wasn't too difficult. I might consider cutting my own frames in the future and cutting the mats manually - that would really save on costs.
Agreed. You can save a little by purchasing the framing components online and then framing it yourself. I just tried float framing with wheatpaste and japanese paper and it wasn't too difficult. I might consider cutting my own frames in the future and cutting the mats manually - that would really save on costs.
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Framing, by soupy on May 4, 2017 19:23:11 GMT 1, like anything.... it's easy to DIY with a little research/learning and the right tools.
i now build all my own wood frames. i started doing it because i realize framing some large pieces was going to cost an arm and a leg. not only that, but i don't feel as bad if i ever want to swap it on the wall (or sell it) because i didn't spend so much on the custom frame. it gives me the freedom to make changes to the art on my walls without as much regret.
i framed a large print (30x54in) for a maybe $200-300 (the majority of that being the UV acrylic)... versus $600-800 for a custom frame. the wood frame can be built for $50 and the acid free foamcore is only $10-20.
like anything.... it's easy to DIY with a little research/learning and the right tools.
i now build all my own wood frames. i started doing it because i realize framing some large pieces was going to cost an arm and a leg. not only that, but i don't feel as bad if i ever want to swap it on the wall (or sell it) because i didn't spend so much on the custom frame. it gives me the freedom to make changes to the art on my walls without as much regret.
i framed a large print (30x54in) for a maybe $200-300 (the majority of that being the UV acrylic)... versus $600-800 for a custom frame. the wood frame can be built for $50 and the acid free foamcore is only $10-20.
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Framing, by Deleted on May 4, 2017 19:30:48 GMT 1, Its too much money there must be an easier way I am going to invent something ย which will enable more art to be hung I got quoted ยฃ600 to frame something quite big 48 x36 thats a lot of money to me so will probably mean i won't frame it, which really equates to =why did i buy it in the first place? I think i have spunked ยฃ2k on framing this year so far, its too much i reckon if i added everything up i have a total of ยฃ?k on framing in my house seriously WTF am I on??? what a wanker and to cap it all off, if ever i want to sell anything, the buyers have a hissy fit because its framed. its all bollocks this art lark.
Ha ha I just got the 2 retnas framed. Huge , diptych, crazy expensive so had to have museum everything! New mortgage please
Its too much money there must be an easier way I am going to invent something ย which will enable more art to be hung I got quoted ยฃ600 to frame something quite big 48 x36 thats a lot of money to me so will probably mean i won't frame it, which really equates to =why did i buy it in the first place? I think i have spunked ยฃ2k on framing this year so far, its too much i reckon if i added everything up i have a total of ยฃ?k on framing in my house seriously WTF am I on??? what a wanker and to cap it all off, if ever i want to sell anything, the buyers have a hissy fit because its framed. its all bollocks this art lark. Ha ha I just got the 2 retnas framed. Huge , diptych, crazy expensive so had to have museum everything! New mortgage please
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Framing, by Deleted on May 4, 2017 19:35:33 GMT 1, Its too much money there must be an easier way I am going to invent something which will enable more art to be hung I got quoted ยฃ600 to frame something quite big 48 x36 thats a lot of money to me so will probably mean i won't frame it, which really equates to =why did i buy it in the first place? I think i have spunked ยฃ2k on framing this year so far, its too much i reckon if i added everything up i have a total of ยฃ?k on framing in my house seriously WTF am I on??? what a wanker and to cap it all off, if ever i want to sell anything, the buyers have a hissy fit because its framed. its all bollocks this art lark. I will say it again carboot's and local auctions for frames, see past the s**t picture/print, loads of really good frames out there ready to be reused. p.s keep your tape measure handy at all times with a list in your pocket of the sizes you need
Also for anyone who's interested I usually have a good stock of vintage and antique frames which apart from looking great will save you a fortune.
BUT THEY'RE ALL MINE mmmmmwwwwahahahahahaha!!!
Its too much money there must be an easier way I am going to invent something which will enable more art to be hung I got quoted ยฃ600 to frame something quite big 48 x36 thats a lot of money to me so will probably mean i won't frame it, which really equates to =why did i buy it in the first place? I think i have spunked ยฃ2k on framing this year so far, its too much i reckon if i added everything up i have a total of ยฃ?k on framing in my house seriously WTF am I on??? what a wanker and to cap it all off, if ever i want to sell anything, the buyers have a hissy fit because its framed. its all bollocks this art lark. I will say it again carboot's and local auctions for frames, see past the s**t picture/print, loads of really good frames out there ready to be reused. p.s keep your tape measure handy at all times with a list in your pocket of the sizes you need Also for anyone who's interested I usually have a good stock of vintage and antique frames which apart from looking great will save you a fortune. BUT THEY'RE ALL MINE mmmmmwwwwahahahahahaha!!!
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Framing, by iamzero on May 4, 2017 19:38:23 GMT 1, I frame all my own stuff. Not cheap when you start out buying a machine to cut the moulding, an underpinned to fix them together. Hand held glass cutter and a large mount board cutter. Then you have to buy materials (cotton rag board, glass, moulding, backing board etc.) from a supplier and find space to house all these things for your new found hobby.
I frame all my own stuff. Not cheap when you start out buying a machine to cut the moulding, an underpinned to fix them together. Hand held glass cutter and a large mount board cutter. Then you have to buy materials (cotton rag board, glass, moulding, backing board etc.) from a supplier and find space to house all these things for your new found hobby.
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Framing, by Deleted on May 4, 2017 19:42:37 GMT 1, I frame all my own stuff. Not cheap when you start out buying a machine to cut the moulding, an underpinned to fix them together. Hand held glass cutter and a large mount board cutter. Then you have to buy materials (cotton rag board, glass, moulding, backing board etc.) from a supplier and find space to house all these things for your new found hobby. Cleared out some painting's from a picture framers that wen't bump today, left all the mouldings as I have no place to store them, would have been right up your street
I frame all my own stuff. Not cheap when you start out buying a machine to cut the moulding, an underpinned to fix them together. Hand held glass cutter and a large mount board cutter. Then you have to buy materials (cotton rag board, glass, moulding, backing board etc.) from a supplier and find space to house all these things for your new found hobby. Cleared out some painting's from a picture framers that wen't bump today, left all the mouldings as I have no place to store them, would have been right up your street
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Framing, by iamzero on May 4, 2017 19:45:13 GMT 1, I tend to stick to basic black and white box mouldings and one ornate expensive one to keep things simple.
http://instagram.com/p/BApnwZ-Jx97
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Framing, by Deleted on May 4, 2017 20:16:05 GMT 1, Tip of the Day
Buy cheaper prints like mine then you can stick them in a ready made or cheap frame
Tip of the Day Buy cheaper prints like mine then you can stick them in a ready made or cheap frame
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Framing, by mla on May 4, 2017 20:24:15 GMT 1, Tip of the Day # 1
Buy more expensive artwork, so that the total cost of framing is a low percentage of the cost of the overall piece.
Tip of the Day # 2
If your pieces turnover frequently, make "safe" framing choices, to appeal to a greater number of buyers should you ever want to sell
Tip of the Day # 3
Most framers will re-cut existing frames, charging only the cost of the labour and minimal materials (e.g. a new mat)
Tip of the Day # 1
Buy more expensive artwork, so that the total cost of framing is a low percentage of the cost of the overall piece.
Tip of the Day # 2
If your pieces turnover frequently, make "safe" framing choices, to appeal to a greater number of buyers should you ever want to sell
Tip of the Day # 3
Most framers will re-cut existing frames, charging only the cost of the labour and minimal materials (e.g. a new mat)
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Framing, by Acme Thunderer on May 4, 2017 20:24:30 GMT 1, How about we campaign so all artists make prints the same size (I am joking!).
How about we campaign so all artists make prints the same size (I am joking!).
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Framing, by Deleted on May 4, 2017 20:32:17 GMT 1, Someone should come up with a decent modular framing where you can make any size and different colours.
Someone should come up with a decent modular framing where you can make any size and different colours.
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Framing, by Nick on May 4, 2017 20:34:57 GMT 1, I definitely pisses me off when not so established artists release cheap prints (less than ยฃ200) at sizes which are marginally above off the shelf size. So many releases of 72cm x 52cm or 100x 74cm for example. It's a deal breaker for me as I don't want to spend the same or more on the frame. Use some logic- you'd sell more prints!
I definitely pisses me off when not so established artists release cheap prints (less than ยฃ200) at sizes which are marginally above off the shelf size. So many releases of 72cm x 52cm or 100x 74cm for example. It's a deal breaker for me as I don't want to spend the same or more on the frame. Use some logic- you'd sell more prints!
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Framing, by dotdot on May 4, 2017 21:01:55 GMT 1, funny you should mention that... going to pick something up tomorrow.. !
what..? you might ask.
no ! you're safe it's not a mh - it's a ..
funny you should mention that... going to pick something up tomorrow.. !
what..? you might ask.
no ! you're safe it's not a mh - it's a ..
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Framing, by Deleted on May 4, 2017 21:12:33 GMT 1, funny you should mention that... going to pick something up tomorrow.. ! what..? you might ask. no ! you're safe it's not a mh - it's a ..
CH?
funny you should mention that... going to pick something up tomorrow.. ! what..? you might ask. no ! you're safe it's not a mh - it's a .. CH?
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Framing, by dotdot on May 4, 2017 22:15:08 GMT 1, @bren you'll have to wait and see
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@bren you'll have to wait and see
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Framing, by Deleted on May 5, 2017 8:00:56 GMT 1, I definitely pisses me off when not so established artists release cheap prints (less than ยฃ200) at sizes which are marginally above off the shelf size. So many releases of 72cm x 52cm or 100x 74cm for example. It's a deal breaker for me as I don't want to spend the same or more on the frame. Use some logic- you'd sell more prints! You're often driven by the paper you use. These come in set sizes and cut down dimensions on those. If you want an archival white you are very limited on choice. I normally use a standard 70cm x 50cm and if doing a square like my last print I had it cut 50 x 50. Somerset satin for example will come in 76 x 56 or 111 x 76
I definitely pisses me off when not so established artists release cheap prints (less than ยฃ200) at sizes which are marginally above off the shelf size. So many releases of 72cm x 52cm or 100x 74cm for example. It's a deal breaker for me as I don't want to spend the same or more on the frame. Use some logic- you'd sell more prints! You're often driven by the paper you use. These come in set sizes and cut down dimensions on those. If you want an archival white you are very limited on choice. I normally use a standard 70cm x 50cm and if doing a square like my last print I had it cut 50 x 50. Somerset satin for example will come in 76 x 56 or 111 x 76
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Framing, by maxamaxa2 on May 5, 2017 8:53:25 GMT 1, I think that the price of the frame and the work (including the knowledge, insurance and so on) is quite rightly priced. It costs about ยฃ100-ยฃ180 for a standard size frame and I think its fair. Cant be many cents cheaper for a home made one (especially not if accidentally ruining one expensive print)
The glass/plexi however is insane! Would be great to find some good alternative to the optium museum acrylic or at least a good UV-acrylic/glass that could be used to cut costs. Have been thinking of importing my self and just hand in a ready cut piece to the framer when handing in a print but haven't come that far yet.
I think that the price of the frame and the work (including the knowledge, insurance and so on) is quite rightly priced. It costs about ยฃ100-ยฃ180 for a standard size frame and I think its fair. Cant be many cents cheaper for a home made one (especially not if accidentally ruining one expensive print)
The glass/plexi however is insane! Would be great to find some good alternative to the optium museum acrylic or at least a good UV-acrylic/glass that could be used to cut costs. Have been thinking of importing my self and just hand in a ready cut piece to the framer when handing in a print but haven't come that far yet.
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Framing, by iamzero on May 5, 2017 9:22:39 GMT 1, The good thing is the initial outlay of equipment can be recouped if you tire of framing and you've bought at the right price. But I sometimes wonder if it's worth the grief when glass arrives damaged and moulding turns up warped or of poor quality.
The good thing is the initial outlay of equipment can be recouped if you tire of framing and you've bought at the right price. But I sometimes wonder if it's worth the grief when glass arrives damaged and moulding turns up warped or of poor quality.
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Framing, by Deleted on May 5, 2017 9:29:12 GMT 1, Don't forget there is a big difference between standard framing and conservation framing costs. Has anyone reframed a print from standard to conservation on the back of value appreciation? I doubt anyone conservations a noob artists prints and no one would of done so with a ยฃ35 Banksy print.
Don't forget there is a big difference between standard framing and conservation framing costs. Has anyone reframed a print from standard to conservation on the back of value appreciation? I doubt anyone conservations a noob artists prints and no one would of done so with a ยฃ35 Banksy print.
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Framing, by seanburke on May 5, 2017 10:02:59 GMT 1, Maybe it's just me but i almost enjoy getting my prints framed as much as buying them! I don't feel the print is real until it's framed on the wall.
I only buy to hang so I normally do a custom frame to match the print with colours that link back to the image.
It's certainly not cheap but I picture them in 10-15 years in a (hopefully) bigger house by the sea and it's worth it imo.
Maybe it's just me but i almost enjoy getting my prints framed as much as buying them! I don't feel the print is real until it's framed on the wall.
I only buy to hang so I normally do a custom frame to match the print with colours that link back to the image.
It's certainly not cheap but I picture them in 10-15 years in a (hopefully) bigger house by the sea and it's worth it imo.
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Framing, by iamzero on May 5, 2017 10:06:03 GMT 1, I conservation frame everything. It's one of the perks of framing for yourself.
I conservation frame everything. It's one of the perks of framing for yourself.
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Framing, by alk on May 5, 2017 10:36:06 GMT 1, Can anyone recomend a good book or tutorial on DYI framing?
Can anyone recomend a good book or tutorial on DYI framing?
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Framing, by mla on May 5, 2017 11:22:00 GMT 1, My framer does a tremendous amount of volume, so his prices usually range from slightly less to slightly more than it would cost me to acquire the materials and do it myself. If you find a good framer, there is absolutely zero incentive to be doing it yourself.
My framer does a tremendous amount of volume, so his prices usually range from slightly less to slightly more than it would cost me to acquire the materials and do it myself. If you find a good framer, there is absolutely zero incentive to be doing it yourself.
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Framing, by maxamaxa2 on May 5, 2017 12:10:31 GMT 1, I spoke to a guy who did an exhibition of posters (a lot of valuable posters) so he opted the cheap conservation method, which is to buy plexi/glass and apply transparent anti-UV film (Llumar and alike). He said it is much much cheaper !
Not sure its that simple, then I could just buy UV-protective glass that doesn't cost very much more than standard glass, the problem is to get the insane high clarity, uv-protection and non glare of the optium museum acrylic without paying ยฃ400-500 for just the glass.
The big problem in all of this is that we are picky as hell when it comes to both framing standard and the glass quality. We could save a lot by using standard uv-glass but to be honest, its no where near the real thing, not even near the art uv glass.
Some possible solutions:
- Frame cheap prints to a lower standard
- Always calculate the framed price when buying a print, if the print is ยฃ200 and the framing is ยฃ300 you must calculate with the total and find it worth it to get the particular print on the wall.
- Buy more expensive prints which makes the framing cost a lesser percentage.
- Buy originals
But it would be great to be able to cut the cost a little on the glass to be able to use the high quality on more pieces. Hopefully they will be able to produce it to a lower cost in the future.
I spoke to a guy who did an exhibition of posters (a lot of valuable posters) so he opted the cheap conservation method, which is to buy plexi/glass and apply transparent anti-UV film (Llumar and alike). He said it is much much cheaper ! Not sure its that simple, then I could just buy UV-protective glass that doesn't cost very much more than standard glass, the problem is to get the insane high clarity, uv-protection and non glare of the optium museum acrylic without paying ยฃ400-500 for just the glass. The big problem in all of this is that we are picky as hell when it comes to both framing standard and the glass quality. We could save a lot by using standard uv-glass but to be honest, its no where near the real thing, not even near the art uv glass. Some possible solutions: - Frame cheap prints to a lower standard
- Always calculate the framed price when buying a print, if the print is ยฃ200 and the framing is ยฃ300 you must calculate with the total and find it worth it to get the particular print on the wall.
- Buy more expensive prints which makes the framing cost a lesser percentage.
- Buy originals
But it would be great to be able to cut the cost a little on the glass to be able to use the high quality on more pieces. Hopefully they will be able to produce it to a lower cost in the future.
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Framing, by Deleted on May 5, 2017 12:31:03 GMT 1, The way i would like it, is to be able to see my art on the wall, but if after a couple of years i got bored with it, or had something to take its place, i could sell or trade it
By spending say ยฃ250 to frame something you are devaluing the print, and inviting so much more hassle than if you had just left it n the portfolio
so i would like a selwyn sleeve type thing that looks good on my wall
Invent one and get rich
The way i would like it, is to be able to see my art on the wall, but if after a couple of years i got bored with it, or had something to take its place, i could sell or trade it
By spending say ยฃ250 to frame something you are devaluing the print, and inviting so much more hassle than if you had just left it n the portfolio
so i would like a selwyn sleeve type thing that looks good on my wall
Invent one and get rich
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Framing, by iamzero on May 5, 2017 12:33:44 GMT 1, Lion framers supplies make a white conservation backing board but for larger pieces still use a smooth hardboard. After researching I'm of the opinion that this is not likely to harm my artwork, in damp properties it has a higher chance of growing spores but that isn't an issue for me.
Lion framers supplies make a white conservation backing board but for larger pieces still use a smooth hardboard. After researching I'm of the opinion that this is not likely to harm my artwork, in damp properties it has a higher chance of growing spores but that isn't an issue for me.
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