sugar72
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New Faile print May , by sugar72 on May 10, 2017 18:34:02 GMT 1, You guys are funny when it comes to your speculation. Making lots of prints does not harm nor does it help an artist long term. Don't believe me? It's believed that picasso has upwards of 80k prints in circulation. He's not the only one either. In fact, one might argue that being prolific is a must if you're going to be a successful artist. And also, someone made a comment about how the prints take longer to sell out. Again, a quick sell out doesn't make a good artist in the way that a slower sell out doesn't make a bad artist. And if you think quick sell outs matter and invest in that way, you might learn that the hard way. You know who has had quick sell outs on here? Eyesaw. Tabby. Other names that maybe 100 people outside of this forum have heard of. As far as I can tell, sell outs mean nothing and slow sales mean nothing. But I'm happy to listen if someone wants to counter that... When the Invader "Camel" print (edition size 100 )was released it took a few days to be sold out. Now is worth a couple of K. Unfortunately sold mine one year ago at cost.
Ouch!!
You guys are funny when it comes to your speculation. Making lots of prints does not harm nor does it help an artist long term. Don't believe me? It's believed that picasso has upwards of 80k prints in circulation. He's not the only one either. In fact, one might argue that being prolific is a must if you're going to be a successful artist. And also, someone made a comment about how the prints take longer to sell out. Again, a quick sell out doesn't make a good artist in the way that a slower sell out doesn't make a bad artist. And if you think quick sell outs matter and invest in that way, you might learn that the hard way. You know who has had quick sell outs on here? Eyesaw. Tabby. Other names that maybe 100 people outside of this forum have heard of. As far as I can tell, sell outs mean nothing and slow sales mean nothing. But I'm happy to listen if someone wants to counter that... When the Invader "Camel" print (edition size 100 )was released it took a few days to be sold out. Now is worth a couple of K. Unfortunately sold mine one year ago at cost. Ouch!! |
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New Faile print May , by sugar72 on May 10, 2017 18:34:29 GMT 1, Well I love this print. I am a faile fan so a bit of rose tinted specs going on but I logged on thinking it would be gone and low and behold there were prints left so absolutely chuffed managed to pick one up - my first block print. Cant wait for it to arrive will be going to the framer with my three latest 150s and my subrossa. Will stick up some pics when framed.
Nice!!
Well I love this print. I am a faile fan so a bit of rose tinted specs going on but I logged on thinking it would be gone and low and behold there were prints left so absolutely chuffed managed to pick one up - my first block print. Cant wait for it to arrive will be going to the framer with my three latest 150s and my subrossa. Will stick up some pics when framed. Nice!! |
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isharkey
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New Faile print May , by isharkey on May 10, 2017 18:36:58 GMT 1, Add them to your cart until you can't add any more.  Or page source and check inventory value
Click on Safari menu > Preferences > Advanced.
Check "Show Develop menu in menu bar".
Close the Preferences window.
Go to the Develop menu > Show Page Source.
Had trouble finding the inventory value though...checked every line of code.
Add them to your cart until you can't add any more. Or page source and check inventory value Pretty slick... For those on a Mac to see the page source: Click on Safari menu > Preferences > Advanced. Check "Show Develop menu in menu bar". Close the Preferences window. Go to the Develop menu > Show Page Source. Had trouble finding the inventory value though...checked every line of code. |
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New Faile print May , by Coach on May 10, 2017 18:41:04 GMT 1, Good price and love Faile but do not like this image at all.
Me neither. Not my cup of tea at all. Little like that new Pose with flower pots. Way too busy.
Edit - I do usually like faile's work very much. Fair to say I prefer their older work.
Good price and love Faile but do not like this image at all. Me neither. Not my cup of tea at all. Little like that new Pose with flower pots. Way too busy. Edit - I do usually like faile's work very much. Fair to say I prefer their older work. |
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dani
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New Faile print May , by dani on May 10, 2017 18:42:10 GMT 1, Or page source and check inventory value Pretty slick... For those on a Mac to see the page source: Click on Safari menu > Preferences > Advanced. Check "Show Develop menu in menu bar". Close the Preferences window. Go to the Develop menu > Show Page Source. Had trouble finding the inventory value though...checked every line of code.
I just tried on my Mac in Chrome...right click > View Page Source > ctrl + f for "inventory"
Or page source and check inventory value Pretty slick... For those on a Mac to see the page source: Click on Safari menu > Preferences > Advanced. Check "Show Develop menu in menu bar". Close the Preferences window. Go to the Develop menu > Show Page Source. Had trouble finding the inventory value though...checked every line of code. I just tried on my Mac in Chrome...right click > View Page Source > ctrl + f for "inventory" |
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soupy
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New Faile print May , by soupy on May 10, 2017 18:44:15 GMT 1, the longer it is up... the more susceptible i am to buy.
hope it sells out soon! 
the longer it is up... the more susceptible i am to buy. hope it sells out soon! |
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New Faile print May , by Deleted on May 10, 2017 18:47:45 GMT 1, I like viewing this print on my iPad. Not quite enough to put it on my wall. I do love that Faile continues to put out easily accessible prints for collectors.
I like viewing this print on my iPad. Not quite enough to put it on my wall. I do love that Faile continues to put out easily accessible prints for collectors.
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New Faile print May , by davievegas on May 10, 2017 19:43:57 GMT 1, You guys are funny when it comes to your speculation. Making lots of prints does not harm nor does it help an artist long term. Don't believe me? It's believed that picasso has upwards of 180k prints in circulation. He's not the only one either. In fact, one might argue that being prolific is a must if you're going to be a successful artist. And also, someone made a comment about how the prints take longer to sell out. Again, a quick sell out doesn't make a good artist in the way that a slower sell out doesn't make a bad artist. And if you think quick sell outs matter and invest in that way, you might learn that the hard way. You know who has had quick sell outs on here? Eyesaw. Tabby. Other names that maybe 100 people outside of this forum have heard of. As far as I can tell, sell outs mean nothing and slow sales mean nothing. But I'm happy to listen if someone wants to counter that... [small edit: picasso made 180k prints, not 80k]
The casual art collector who does not want to spend hundreds or thousands on something for his/her walls cannot approach this in that manner. As for value, you have to just do a little bit of research on failes trends the past 5 years. That includes Auctions/ebay sales/private sales on boards and of course hype/interest in failes work. Originals and low editions are where its at to collect if you are looking for value with them. If not, then the prices that these oversaturated image prints cost need to drop. They do not sell out fast because the images and the price point along with edition size make no sense.
Obviously some peoples bank accounts are healthier then others so if you can afford it then great but every single release(With exception of 150 series) that I can remember has been high editions and priced at $350-$500 with the same type of images. The iimages get busier and busier or cluttered. This goes back to my point of "If its selling out the artists are not caring or do not know if the work is sub par or not". Artists are making there money and with faile each release is making them 20k-30k per release. Not 100% sure of the total but estimating. How can an artist know if the image is not a great one or popular one if just because of his brand, it is still selling out? The strength of artists work will just get worse over time. We see it with brainwash,eelus,dran,pose, maya hayuk even invader with that garbage marlboro print. I do not care what the inflated prices are going for now on invader. NO ONE liked that print except for smokers and die hard invader fans.
Obviously not everyone is going to agree with me on the artists I have used for comparison but everyone has their own comparisons and imo the time taken to choose images or the lack of effort because they are selling out has severely dropped the collectors interest per release. You cannot make an image that everyone likes but at least take the time and not throw out same type of images over and over with small adjustments. That is where I feel the problem lies. Selling out every time the artists drops just because its "Faile" or "Brainwash" or "Invader". I am not using Banksy because he does not release work anymore.
Obviously you can see the stronger images/low editions are very valuable. What happened with Invader in my opinion was long overdue. His prices should of spiked long ago. But to expect that is like discovering a Rainbow unicorn.
You guys are funny when it comes to your speculation. Making lots of prints does not harm nor does it help an artist long term. Don't believe me? It's believed that picasso has upwards of 180k prints in circulation. He's not the only one either. In fact, one might argue that being prolific is a must if you're going to be a successful artist. And also, someone made a comment about how the prints take longer to sell out. Again, a quick sell out doesn't make a good artist in the way that a slower sell out doesn't make a bad artist. And if you think quick sell outs matter and invest in that way, you might learn that the hard way. You know who has had quick sell outs on here? Eyesaw. Tabby. Other names that maybe 100 people outside of this forum have heard of. As far as I can tell, sell outs mean nothing and slow sales mean nothing. But I'm happy to listen if someone wants to counter that... [small edit: picasso made 180k prints, not 80k] You seem to be really focused on my "Taking to sell out longer" comment so Ill explain it further. That was said to explain that the images faile has been choosing the last couple of years are sub par to be nice. The quality is always great but the important of that is small when they have always had great quality. Its expected. Your comparisons with Tabby, and eyesaw selling out is not comparable. For one, Tabby and Eyesaw's price points are cheap so the risk of collecting them is not high. They look great on the walls and at that price point people can buy without worrying about the investment. The casual art collector who does not want to spend hundreds or thousands on something for his/her walls cannot approach this in that manner. As for value, you have to just do a little bit of research on failes trends the past 5 years. That includes Auctions/ebay sales/private sales on boards and of course hype/interest in failes work. Originals and low editions are where its at to collect if you are looking for value with them. If not, then the prices that these oversaturated image prints cost need to drop. They do not sell out fast because the images and the price point along with edition size make no sense. Obviously some peoples bank accounts are healthier then others so if you can afford it then great but every single release(With exception of 150 series) that I can remember has been high editions and priced at $350-$500 with the same type of images. The iimages get busier and busier or cluttered. This goes back to my point of "If its selling out the artists are not caring or do not know if the work is sub par or not". Artists are making there money and with faile each release is making them 20k-30k per release. Not 100% sure of the total but estimating. How can an artist know if the image is not a great one or popular one if just because of his brand, it is still selling out? The strength of artists work will just get worse over time. We see it with brainwash,eelus,dran,pose, maya hayuk even invader with that garbage marlboro print. I do not care what the inflated prices are going for now on invader. NO ONE liked that print except for smokers and die hard invader fans. Obviously not everyone is going to agree with me on the artists I have used for comparison but everyone has their own comparisons and imo the time taken to choose images or the lack of effort because they are selling out has severely dropped the collectors interest per release. You cannot make an image that everyone likes but at least take the time and not throw out same type of images over and over with small adjustments. That is where I feel the problem lies. Selling out every time the artists drops just because its "Faile" or "Brainwash" or "Invader". I am not using Banksy because he does not release work anymore. Obviously you can see the stronger images/low editions are very valuable. What happened with Invader in my opinion was long overdue. His prices should of spiked long ago. But to expect that is like discovering a Rainbow unicorn. |
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New Faile print May , by Deleted on May 10, 2017 19:45:30 GMT 1, My 2 cents ... liked it , bought it, don't care if it sells out or not . Thanks 😋
My 2 cents ... liked it , bought it, don't care if it sells out or not . Thanks 😋
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isharkey
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New Faile print May , by isharkey on May 10, 2017 20:09:24 GMT 1, This boys are releasing far to many prints in my mind , saturating the market. Shame as they use to release great prints in small editions
No seriously, take a break, so that when your come back on tour I've actually missed your music.
This boys are releasing far to many prints in my mind , saturating the market. Shame as they use to release great prints in small editions I completely agree with this...Seen, Shepard Fairey, & Brainwash do the same thing. It's like a band that never stops touring, or a stripper that comes around 3 times more than the other girls...oops did I say that out loud? No seriously, take a break, so that when your come back on tour I've actually missed your music. |
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WOOF
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New Faile print May , by WOOF on May 10, 2017 20:26:21 GMT 1, You guys are funny when it comes to your speculation. Making lots of prints does not harm nor does it help an artist long term. Don't believe me? It's believed that picasso has upwards of 180k prints in circulation. He's not the only one either. In fact, one might argue that being prolific is a must if you're going to be a successful artist. And also, someone made a comment about how the prints take longer to sell out. Again, a quick sell out doesn't make a good artist in the way that a slower sell out doesn't make a bad artist. And if you think quick sell outs matter and invest in that way, you might learn that the hard way. You know who has had quick sell outs on here? Eyesaw. Tabby. Other names that maybe 100 people outside of this forum have heard of. As far as I can tell, sell outs mean nothing and slow sales mean nothing. But I'm happy to listen if someone wants to counter that... [small edit: picasso made 180k prints, not 80k] You seem to be really focused on my "Taking to sell out longer" comment so Ill explain it further. That was said to explain that the images faile has been choosing the last couple of years are sub par to be nice. The quality is always great but the important of that is small when they have always had great quality. Its expected. Your comparisons with Tabby, and eyesaw selling out is not comparable. For one, Tabby and Eyesaw's price points are cheap so the risk of collecting them is not high. They look great on the walls and at that price point people can buy without worrying about the investment. The casual art collector who does not want to spend hundreds or thousands on something for his/her walls cannot approach this in that manner. As for value, you have to just do a little bit of research on failes trends the past 5 years. That includes Auctions/ebay sales/private sales on boards and of course hype/interest in failes work. Originals and low editions are where its at to collect if you are looking for value with them. If not, then the prices that these oversaturated image prints cost need to drop. They do not sell out fast because the images and the price point along with edition size make no sense. Obviously some peoples bank accounts are healthier then others so if you can afford it then great but every single release(With exception of 150 series) that I can remember has been high editions and priced at $350-$500 with the same type of images. The iimages get busier and busier or cluttered. This goes back to my point of "If its selling out the artists are not caring or do not know if the work is sub par or not". Artists are making there money and with faile each release is making them 20k-30k per release. Not 100% sure of the total but estimating. How can an artist know if the image is not a great one or popular one if just because of his brand, it is still selling out? The strength of artists work will just get worse over time. We see it with brainwash,eelus,dran,pose, maya hayuk even invader with that garbage marlboro print. I do not care what the inflated prices are going for now on invader. NO ONE liked that print except for smokers and die hard invader fans. Obviously not everyone is going to agree with me on the artists I have used for comparison but everyone has their own comparisons and imo the time taken to choose images or the lack of effort because they are selling out has severely dropped the collectors interest per release. You cannot make an image that everyone likes but at least take the time and not throw out same type of images over and over with small adjustments. That is where I feel the problem lies. Selling out every time the artists drops just because its "Faile" or "Brainwash" or "Invader". I am not using Banksy because he does not release work anymore. Obviously you can see the stronger images/low editions are very valuable. What happened with Invader in my opinion was long overdue. His prices should of spiked long ago. But to expect that is like discovering a Rainbow unicorn.
At the end of the day, Faile no longer has to release low editions with tons of hand finished work into it. Back in the day, when people weren't buying 60k+ faile originals, sure, it made sense. But now, it seems like it makes more sense for them to make showstoppers for serious art collectors and museum shows. Sure, I'd love more of the former, but I have no expectations. I also have no expectations of them releasing their very best images as prints. We all act like artists are required to give us their best work for pennies on the dollar, but we're lucky they release prints at all. I just hope they keep making work, because unlike most in the urban art world, their work is actually evolving and they've becoming more talented. IMO.
You guys are funny when it comes to your speculation. Making lots of prints does not harm nor does it help an artist long term. Don't believe me? It's believed that picasso has upwards of 180k prints in circulation. He's not the only one either. In fact, one might argue that being prolific is a must if you're going to be a successful artist. And also, someone made a comment about how the prints take longer to sell out. Again, a quick sell out doesn't make a good artist in the way that a slower sell out doesn't make a bad artist. And if you think quick sell outs matter and invest in that way, you might learn that the hard way. You know who has had quick sell outs on here? Eyesaw. Tabby. Other names that maybe 100 people outside of this forum have heard of. As far as I can tell, sell outs mean nothing and slow sales mean nothing. But I'm happy to listen if someone wants to counter that... [small edit: picasso made 180k prints, not 80k] You seem to be really focused on my "Taking to sell out longer" comment so Ill explain it further. That was said to explain that the images faile has been choosing the last couple of years are sub par to be nice. The quality is always great but the important of that is small when they have always had great quality. Its expected. Your comparisons with Tabby, and eyesaw selling out is not comparable. For one, Tabby and Eyesaw's price points are cheap so the risk of collecting them is not high. They look great on the walls and at that price point people can buy without worrying about the investment. The casual art collector who does not want to spend hundreds or thousands on something for his/her walls cannot approach this in that manner. As for value, you have to just do a little bit of research on failes trends the past 5 years. That includes Auctions/ebay sales/private sales on boards and of course hype/interest in failes work. Originals and low editions are where its at to collect if you are looking for value with them. If not, then the prices that these oversaturated image prints cost need to drop. They do not sell out fast because the images and the price point along with edition size make no sense. Obviously some peoples bank accounts are healthier then others so if you can afford it then great but every single release(With exception of 150 series) that I can remember has been high editions and priced at $350-$500 with the same type of images. The iimages get busier and busier or cluttered. This goes back to my point of "If its selling out the artists are not caring or do not know if the work is sub par or not". Artists are making there money and with faile each release is making them 20k-30k per release. Not 100% sure of the total but estimating. How can an artist know if the image is not a great one or popular one if just because of his brand, it is still selling out? The strength of artists work will just get worse over time. We see it with brainwash,eelus,dran,pose, maya hayuk even invader with that garbage marlboro print. I do not care what the inflated prices are going for now on invader. NO ONE liked that print except for smokers and die hard invader fans. Obviously not everyone is going to agree with me on the artists I have used for comparison but everyone has their own comparisons and imo the time taken to choose images or the lack of effort because they are selling out has severely dropped the collectors interest per release. You cannot make an image that everyone likes but at least take the time and not throw out same type of images over and over with small adjustments. That is where I feel the problem lies. Selling out every time the artists drops just because its "Faile" or "Brainwash" or "Invader". I am not using Banksy because he does not release work anymore. Obviously you can see the stronger images/low editions are very valuable. What happened with Invader in my opinion was long overdue. His prices should of spiked long ago. But to expect that is like discovering a Rainbow unicorn. At the end of the day, Faile no longer has to release low editions with tons of hand finished work into it. Back in the day, when people weren't buying 60k+ faile originals, sure, it made sense. But now, it seems like it makes more sense for them to make showstoppers for serious art collectors and museum shows. Sure, I'd love more of the former, but I have no expectations. I also have no expectations of them releasing their very best images as prints. We all act like artists are required to give us their best work for pennies on the dollar, but we're lucky they release prints at all. I just hope they keep making work, because unlike most in the urban art world, their work is actually evolving and they've becoming more talented. IMO. |
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Winter
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New Faile print May , by Winter on May 10, 2017 20:30:32 GMT 1, You guys are funny when it comes to your speculation. Making lots of prints does not harm nor does it help an artist long term. Don't believe me? It's believed that picasso has upwards of 180k prints in circulation. He's not the only one either. In fact, one might argue that being prolific is a must if you're going to be a successful artist. And also, someone made a comment about how the prints take longer to sell out. Again, a quick sell out doesn't make a good artist in the way that a slower sell out doesn't make a bad artist. And if you think quick sell outs matter and invest in that way, you might learn that the hard way. You know who has had quick sell outs on here? Eyesaw. Tabby. Other names that maybe 100 people outside of this forum have heard of. As far as I can tell, sell outs mean nothing and slow sales mean nothing. But I'm happy to listen if someone wants to counter that... [small edit: picasso made 180k prints, not 80k] You seem to be really focused on my "Taking to sell out longer" comment so Ill explain it further. That was said to explain that the images faile has been choosing the last couple of years are sub par to be nice. The quality is always great but the important of that is small when they have always had great quality. Its expected. Your comparisons with Tabby, and eyesaw selling out is not comparable. For one, Tabby and Eyesaw's price points are cheap so the risk of collecting them is not high. They look great on the walls and at that price point people can buy without worrying about the investment. The casual art collector who does not want to spend hundreds or thousands on something for his/her walls cannot approach this in that manner. As for value, you have to just do a little bit of research on failes trends the past 5 years. That includes Auctions/ebay sales/private sales on boards and of course hype/interest in failes work. Originals and low editions are where its at to collect if you are looking for value with them. If not, then the prices that these oversaturated image prints cost need to drop. They do not sell out fast because the images and the price point along with edition size make no sense. Obviously some peoples bank accounts are healthier then others so if you can afford it then great but every single release(With exception of 150 series) that I can remember has been high editions and priced at $350-$500 with the same type of images. The iimages get busier and busier or cluttered. This goes back to my point of "If its selling out the artists are not caring or do not know if the work is sub par or not". Artists are making there money and with faile each release is making them 20k-30k per release. Not 100% sure of the total but estimating. How can an artist know if the image is not a great one or popular one if just because of his brand, it is still selling out? The strength of artists work will just get worse over time. We see it with brainwash,eelus,dran,pose, maya hayuk even invader with that garbage marlboro print. I do not care what the inflated prices are going for now on invader. NO ONE liked that print except for smokers and die hard invader fans. Obviously not everyone is going to agree with me on the artists I have used for comparison but everyone has their own comparisons and imo the time taken to choose images or the lack of effort because they are selling out has severely dropped the collectors interest per release. You cannot make an image that everyone likes but at least take the time and not throw out same type of images over and over with small adjustments. That is where I feel the problem lies. Selling out every time the artists drops just because its "Faile" or "Brainwash" or "Invader". I am not using Banksy because he does not release work anymore. Obviously you can see the stronger images/low editions are very valuable. What happened with Invader in my opinion was long overdue. His prices should of spiked long ago. But to expect that is like discovering a Rainbow unicorn.
Can someone read this and give me a summary!
You guys are funny when it comes to your speculation. Making lots of prints does not harm nor does it help an artist long term. Don't believe me? It's believed that picasso has upwards of 180k prints in circulation. He's not the only one either. In fact, one might argue that being prolific is a must if you're going to be a successful artist. And also, someone made a comment about how the prints take longer to sell out. Again, a quick sell out doesn't make a good artist in the way that a slower sell out doesn't make a bad artist. And if you think quick sell outs matter and invest in that way, you might learn that the hard way. You know who has had quick sell outs on here? Eyesaw. Tabby. Other names that maybe 100 people outside of this forum have heard of. As far as I can tell, sell outs mean nothing and slow sales mean nothing. But I'm happy to listen if someone wants to counter that... [small edit: picasso made 180k prints, not 80k] You seem to be really focused on my "Taking to sell out longer" comment so Ill explain it further. That was said to explain that the images faile has been choosing the last couple of years are sub par to be nice. The quality is always great but the important of that is small when they have always had great quality. Its expected. Your comparisons with Tabby, and eyesaw selling out is not comparable. For one, Tabby and Eyesaw's price points are cheap so the risk of collecting them is not high. They look great on the walls and at that price point people can buy without worrying about the investment. The casual art collector who does not want to spend hundreds or thousands on something for his/her walls cannot approach this in that manner. As for value, you have to just do a little bit of research on failes trends the past 5 years. That includes Auctions/ebay sales/private sales on boards and of course hype/interest in failes work. Originals and low editions are where its at to collect if you are looking for value with them. If not, then the prices that these oversaturated image prints cost need to drop. They do not sell out fast because the images and the price point along with edition size make no sense. Obviously some peoples bank accounts are healthier then others so if you can afford it then great but every single release(With exception of 150 series) that I can remember has been high editions and priced at $350-$500 with the same type of images. The iimages get busier and busier or cluttered. This goes back to my point of "If its selling out the artists are not caring or do not know if the work is sub par or not". Artists are making there money and with faile each release is making them 20k-30k per release. Not 100% sure of the total but estimating. How can an artist know if the image is not a great one or popular one if just because of his brand, it is still selling out? The strength of artists work will just get worse over time. We see it with brainwash,eelus,dran,pose, maya hayuk even invader with that garbage marlboro print. I do not care what the inflated prices are going for now on invader. NO ONE liked that print except for smokers and die hard invader fans. Obviously not everyone is going to agree with me on the artists I have used for comparison but everyone has their own comparisons and imo the time taken to choose images or the lack of effort because they are selling out has severely dropped the collectors interest per release. You cannot make an image that everyone likes but at least take the time and not throw out same type of images over and over with small adjustments. That is where I feel the problem lies. Selling out every time the artists drops just because its "Faile" or "Brainwash" or "Invader". I am not using Banksy because he does not release work anymore. Obviously you can see the stronger images/low editions are very valuable. What happened with Invader in my opinion was long overdue. His prices should of spiked long ago. But to expect that is like discovering a Rainbow unicorn. Can someone read this and give me a summary! |
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New Faile print May , by Deleted on May 10, 2017 20:34:11 GMT 1, You seem to be really focused on my "Taking to sell out longer" comment so Ill explain it further. That was said to explain that the images faile has been choosing the last couple of years are sub par to be nice. The quality is always great but the important of that is small when they have always had great quality. Its expected. Your comparisons with Tabby, and eyesaw selling out is not comparable. For one, Tabby and Eyesaw's price points are cheap so the risk of collecting them is not high. They look great on the walls and at that price point people can buy without worrying about the investment. The casual art collector who does not want to spend hundreds or thousands on something for his/her walls cannot approach this in that manner. As for value, you have to just do a little bit of research on failes trends the past 5 years. That includes Auctions/ebay sales/private sales on boards and of course hype/interest in failes work. Originals and low editions are where its at to collect if you are looking for value with them. If not, then the prices that these oversaturated image prints cost need to drop. They do not sell out fast because the images and the price point along with edition size make no sense. Obviously some peoples bank accounts are healthier then others so if you can afford it then great but every single release(With exception of 150 series) that I can remember has been high editions and priced at $350-$500 with the same type of images. The iimages get busier and busier or cluttered. This goes back to my point of "If its selling out the artists are not caring or do not know if the work is sub par or not". Artists are making there money and with faile each release is making them 20k-30k per release. Not 100% sure of the total but estimating. How can an artist know if the image is not a great one or popular one if just because of his brand, it is still selling out? The strength of artists work will just get worse over time. We see it with brainwash,eelus,dran,pose, maya hayuk even invader with that garbage marlboro print. I do not care what the inflated prices are going for now on invader. NO ONE liked that print except for smokers and die hard invader fans. Obviously not everyone is going to agree with me on the artists I have used for comparison but everyone has their own comparisons and imo the time taken to choose images or the lack of effort because they are selling out has severely dropped the collectors interest per release. You cannot make an image that everyone likes but at least take the time and not throw out same type of images over and over with small adjustments. That is where I feel the problem lies. Selling out every time the artists drops just because its "Faile" or "Brainwash" or "Invader". I am not using Banksy because he does not release work anymore. Obviously you can see the stronger images/low editions are very valuable. What happened with Invader in my opinion was long overdue. His prices should of spiked long ago. But to expect that is like discovering a Rainbow unicorn. Can someone read this and give me a summary!
No worries he said - hi
You seem to be really focused on my "Taking to sell out longer" comment so Ill explain it further. That was said to explain that the images faile has been choosing the last couple of years are sub par to be nice. The quality is always great but the important of that is small when they have always had great quality. Its expected. Your comparisons with Tabby, and eyesaw selling out is not comparable. For one, Tabby and Eyesaw's price points are cheap so the risk of collecting them is not high. They look great on the walls and at that price point people can buy without worrying about the investment. The casual art collector who does not want to spend hundreds or thousands on something for his/her walls cannot approach this in that manner. As for value, you have to just do a little bit of research on failes trends the past 5 years. That includes Auctions/ebay sales/private sales on boards and of course hype/interest in failes work. Originals and low editions are where its at to collect if you are looking for value with them. If not, then the prices that these oversaturated image prints cost need to drop. They do not sell out fast because the images and the price point along with edition size make no sense. Obviously some peoples bank accounts are healthier then others so if you can afford it then great but every single release(With exception of 150 series) that I can remember has been high editions and priced at $350-$500 with the same type of images. The iimages get busier and busier or cluttered. This goes back to my point of "If its selling out the artists are not caring or do not know if the work is sub par or not". Artists are making there money and with faile each release is making them 20k-30k per release. Not 100% sure of the total but estimating. How can an artist know if the image is not a great one or popular one if just because of his brand, it is still selling out? The strength of artists work will just get worse over time. We see it with brainwash,eelus,dran,pose, maya hayuk even invader with that garbage marlboro print. I do not care what the inflated prices are going for now on invader. NO ONE liked that print except for smokers and die hard invader fans. Obviously not everyone is going to agree with me on the artists I have used for comparison but everyone has their own comparisons and imo the time taken to choose images or the lack of effort because they are selling out has severely dropped the collectors interest per release. You cannot make an image that everyone likes but at least take the time and not throw out same type of images over and over with small adjustments. That is where I feel the problem lies. Selling out every time the artists drops just because its "Faile" or "Brainwash" or "Invader". I am not using Banksy because he does not release work anymore. Obviously you can see the stronger images/low editions are very valuable. What happened with Invader in my opinion was long overdue. His prices should of spiked long ago. But to expect that is like discovering a Rainbow unicorn. Can someone read this and give me a summary! No worries he said - hi |
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New Faile print May , by oxfordwelshchap on May 10, 2017 20:47:14 GMT 1, Can someone read this and give me a summary! No worries he said - hi
Can someone read this and give me a summary! No worries he said - hi And he doesn't really like the print... |
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New Faile print May , by sugar72 on May 10, 2017 20:49:41 GMT 1, And he doesn't really like the print...
I think a mild case of verbal diarrhoea
And he doesn't really like the print... I think a mild case of verbal diarrhoea |
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New Faile print May , by Deleted on May 10, 2017 20:52:07 GMT 1, And he doesn't really like the print... I think a mild case of verbal diarrhoea
He probably made some incredible revelation no one can be arsed to read! Sad really
And he doesn't really like the print... I think a mild case of verbal diarrhoea He probably made some incredible revelation no one can be arsed to read! Sad really |
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New Faile print May , by seanburke on May 10, 2017 22:23:08 GMT 1, Easy pass, I'll certainly buy a Faile but not till one knocks my socks off and I know will make the wall.
Easy pass, I'll certainly buy a Faile but not till one knocks my socks off and I know will make the wall.
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New Faile print May , by fasttwitch on May 10, 2017 23:36:44 GMT 1, sold out
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New Faile print May , by sixsense on May 11, 2017 5:34:08 GMT 1, At the end of the day, Faile no longer has to release low editions with tons of hand finished work into it. Back in the day, when people weren't buying 60k+ faile originals, sure, it made sense. But now, it seems like it makes more sense for them to make showstoppers for serious art collectors and museum shows. Sure, I'd love more of the former, but I have no expectations. I also have no expectations of them releasing their very best images as prints. We all act like artists are required to give us their best work for pennies on the dollar, but we're lucky they release prints at all. I just hope they keep making work, because unlike most in the urban art world, their work is actually evolving and they've becoming more talented. IMO.
I believe all artist knows which image or works that sell best or recognized most by the follower.
Faile's dog, spaceship, ballet girl could surly sell out with no problem and they know that.
But what's more important is the artist(not just Faile) would love to see their new work also being recognized, that's why sometimes their release is not what we hoping for.
It doesn't mean you have to love all the works produce from an artist. If it doesn't fits your taste, just sit and wait.
I would definitely love to see artist evolving with new works than keep doing the best selling stuff.
At the end of the day, Faile no longer has to release low editions with tons of hand finished work into it. Back in the day, when people weren't buying 60k+ faile originals, sure, it made sense. But now, it seems like it makes more sense for them to make showstoppers for serious art collectors and museum shows. Sure, I'd love more of the former, but I have no expectations. I also have no expectations of them releasing their very best images as prints. We all act like artists are required to give us their best work for pennies on the dollar, but we're lucky they release prints at all. I just hope they keep making work, because unlike most in the urban art world, their work is actually evolving and they've becoming more talented. IMO. We all act like artists are required to give us their best work for pennies on the dollar, but we're lucky they release prints at all. - you really hit the point I believe all artist knows which image or works that sell best or recognized most by the follower. Faile's dog, spaceship, ballet girl could surly sell out with no problem and they know that. But what's more important is the artist(not just Faile) would love to see their new work also being recognized, that's why sometimes their release is not what we hoping for. It doesn't mean you have to love all the works produce from an artist. If it doesn't fits your taste, just sit and wait. I would definitely love to see artist evolving with new works than keep doing the best selling stuff. |
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New Faile print May , by randomname on May 11, 2017 13:35:26 GMT 1, At the end of the day, Faile no longer has to release low editions with tons of hand finished work into it. Back in the day, when people weren't buying 60k+ faile originals, sure, it made sense. But now, it seems like it makes more sense for them to make showstoppers for serious art collectors and museum shows. Sure, I'd love more of the former, but I have no expectations. I also have no expectations of them releasing their very best images as prints. We all act like artists are required to give us their best work for pennies on the dollar, but we're lucky they release prints at all. I just hope they keep making work, because unlike most in the urban art world, their work is actually evolving and they've becoming more talented. IMO. We all act like artists are required to give us their best work for pennies on the dollar, but we're lucky they release prints at all. - you really hit the point I believe all artist knows which image or works that sell best or recognized most by the follower. Faile's dog, spaceship, ballet girl could surly sell out with no problem and they know that. But what's more important is the artist(not just Faile) would love to see their new work also being recognized, that's why sometimes their release is not what we hoping for. It doesn't mean you have to love all the works produce from an artist. If it doesn't fits your taste, just sit and wait. I would definitely love to see artist evolving with new works than keep doing the best selling stuff.
I agree with you to some degree, but I think you overstate the sense of entitlement. I don't expect Faile (or any other artists) to re-release their best images. That said, they have put out quite a few prints lately that lack a focal point and a sense of visual hierarchy.
That may be intentional. But it makes those prints easy passes for me. And is the reason, in my opinion, those releases have not been nearly as popular as past releases. Not because they're not classic images. But because the composition isn't as visually appealing.
At the end of the day, Faile no longer has to release low editions with tons of hand finished work into it. Back in the day, when people weren't buying 60k+ faile originals, sure, it made sense. But now, it seems like it makes more sense for them to make showstoppers for serious art collectors and museum shows. Sure, I'd love more of the former, but I have no expectations. I also have no expectations of them releasing their very best images as prints. We all act like artists are required to give us their best work for pennies on the dollar, but we're lucky they release prints at all. I just hope they keep making work, because unlike most in the urban art world, their work is actually evolving and they've becoming more talented. IMO. We all act like artists are required to give us their best work for pennies on the dollar, but we're lucky they release prints at all. - you really hit the point I believe all artist knows which image or works that sell best or recognized most by the follower. Faile's dog, spaceship, ballet girl could surly sell out with no problem and they know that. But what's more important is the artist(not just Faile) would love to see their new work also being recognized, that's why sometimes their release is not what we hoping for. It doesn't mean you have to love all the works produce from an artist. If it doesn't fits your taste, just sit and wait. I would definitely love to see artist evolving with new works than keep doing the best selling stuff. [be I agree with you to some degree, but I think you overstate the sense of entitlement. I don't expect Faile (or any other artists) to re-release their best images. That said, they have put out quite a few prints lately that lack a focal point and a sense of visual hierarchy. That may be intentional. But it makes those prints easy passes for me. And is the reason, in my opinion, those releases have not been nearly as popular as past releases. Not because they're not classic images. But because the composition isn't as visually appealing. |
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New Faile print May , by dani on May 11, 2017 14:51:35 GMT 1, We all act like artists are required to give us their best work for pennies on the dollar, but we're lucky they release prints at all. - you really hit the point I believe all artist knows which image or works that sell best or recognized most by the follower. Faile's dog, spaceship, ballet girl could surly sell out with no problem and they know that. But what's more important is the artist(not just Faile) would love to see their new work also being recognized, that's why sometimes their release is not what we hoping for. It doesn't mean you have to love all the works produce from an artist. If it doesn't fits your taste, just sit and wait. I would definitely love to see artist evolving with new works than keep doing the best selling stuff. [be I agree with you to some degree, but I think you overstate the sense of entitlement. I don't expect Faile (or any other artists) to re-release their best images. That said, they have put out quite a few prints lately that lack a focal point and a sense of visual hierarchy. That may be intentional. But it makes those prints easy passes for me. And is the reason, in my opinion, those releases have not been nearly as popular as past releases. Not because they're not classic images. But because the composition isn't as visually appealing.
As someone who is pretty new to all this, I'd be curious to hear more about which past releases people are referring to and why they don't find the new releases as appealing.
We all act like artists are required to give us their best work for pennies on the dollar, but we're lucky they release prints at all. - you really hit the point I believe all artist knows which image or works that sell best or recognized most by the follower. Faile's dog, spaceship, ballet girl could surly sell out with no problem and they know that. But what's more important is the artist(not just Faile) would love to see their new work also being recognized, that's why sometimes their release is not what we hoping for. It doesn't mean you have to love all the works produce from an artist. If it doesn't fits your taste, just sit and wait. I would definitely love to see artist evolving with new works than keep doing the best selling stuff. [be I agree with you to some degree, but I think you overstate the sense of entitlement. I don't expect Faile (or any other artists) to re-release their best images. That said, they have put out quite a few prints lately that lack a focal point and a sense of visual hierarchy. That may be intentional. But it makes those prints easy passes for me. And is the reason, in my opinion, those releases have not been nearly as popular as past releases. Not because they're not classic images. But because the composition isn't as visually appealing. As someone who is pretty new to all this, I'd be curious to hear more about which past releases people are referring to and why they don't find the new releases as appealing. |
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New Faile print May , by meloveart66 on May 11, 2017 14:58:48 GMT 1, [be I agree with you to some degree, but I think you overstate the sense of entitlement. I don't expect Faile (or any other artists) to re-release their best images. That said, they have put out quite a few prints lately that lack a focal point and a sense of visual hierarchy. That may be intentional. But it makes those prints easy passes for me. And is the reason, in my opinion, those releases have not been nearly as popular as past releases. Not because they're not classic images. But because the composition isn't as visually appealing. As someone who is pretty new to all this, I'd be curious to hear more about which past releases people are referring to and why they don't find the new releases as appealing.
[be I agree with you to some degree, but I think you overstate the sense of entitlement. I don't expect Faile (or any other artists) to re-release their best images. That said, they have put out quite a few prints lately that lack a focal point and a sense of visual hierarchy. That may be intentional. But it makes those prints easy passes for me. And is the reason, in my opinion, those releases have not been nearly as popular as past releases. Not because they're not classic images. But because the composition isn't as visually appealing. As someone who is pretty new to all this, I'd be curious to hear more about which past releases people are referring to and why they don't find the new releases as appealing. you can find pretty much of their releases |
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New Faile print May , by surge on May 11, 2017 15:03:46 GMT 1, Good price and love Faile but do not like this image at all. Me neither. Not my cup of tea at all. Little like that new Pose with flower pots. Way too busy. Edit - I do usually like faile's work very much. Fair to say I prefer their older work.
Good price and love Faile but do not like this image at all. Me neither. Not my cup of tea at all. Little like that new Pose with flower pots. Way too busy. Edit - I do usually like faile's work very much. Fair to say I prefer their older work. Same here not a fan. |
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New Faile print May , by AoT Framing on May 11, 2017 15:03:54 GMT 1, You guys are funny when it comes to your speculation. Making lots of prints does not harm nor does it help an artist long term. Don't believe me? It's believed that picasso has upwards of 180k prints in circulation. He's not the only one either. In fact, one might argue that being prolific is a must if you're going to be a successful artist. And also, someone made a comment about how the prints take longer to sell out. Again, a quick sell out doesn't make a good artist in the way that a slower sell out doesn't make a bad artist. And if you think quick sell outs matter and invest in that way, you might learn that the hard way. You know who has had quick sell outs on here? Eyesaw. Tabby. Other names that maybe 100 people outside of this forum have heard of. As far as I can tell, sell outs mean nothing and slow sales mean nothing. But I'm happy to listen if someone wants to counter that... [small edit: picasso made 180k prints, not 80k]
You guys are funny when it comes to your speculation. Making lots of prints does not harm nor does it help an artist long term. Don't believe me? It's believed that picasso has upwards of 180k prints in circulation. He's not the only one either. In fact, one might argue that being prolific is a must if you're going to be a successful artist. And also, someone made a comment about how the prints take longer to sell out. Again, a quick sell out doesn't make a good artist in the way that a slower sell out doesn't make a bad artist. And if you think quick sell outs matter and invest in that way, you might learn that the hard way. You know who has had quick sell outs on here? Eyesaw. Tabby. Other names that maybe 100 people outside of this forum have heard of. As far as I can tell, sell outs mean nothing and slow sales mean nothing. But I'm happy to listen if someone wants to counter that... [small edit: picasso made 180k prints, not 80k] Banksy's editions have usually been more than 300 and there was a time back in the day that there were lots of them available on the Pictures On Walls website. You could scratch your chin for months before deciding to pick one up. Hasn't seemed to have affected his popularity. |
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New Faile print May , by randomname on May 11, 2017 15:30:11 GMT 1, [be I agree with you to some degree, but I think you overstate the sense of entitlement. I don't expect Faile (or any other artists) to re-release their best images. That said, they have put out quite a few prints lately that lack a focal point and a sense of visual hierarchy. That may be intentional. But it makes those prints easy passes for me. And is the reason, in my opinion, those releases have not been nearly as popular as past releases. Not because they're not classic images. But because the composition isn't as visually appealing. As someone who is pretty new to all this, I'd be curious to hear more about which past releases people are referring to and why they don't find the new releases as appealing.
This is by no means a complete list, but here are a few of their classic images.
 
Faile actually does re-release their old images in different forms more so than other artists. But I don't think that's the issue some of us have with their recent prints.
For me, there's no focal point. Your eye doesn't know where to look. It takes you a moment to figure out what you're looking at. And the answer isn't enough of a reward for the effort.
If they had released the original yellow version of this as a print, it would have sold out in seconds. That's not a complaint. Just an observation.
[be I agree with you to some degree, but I think you overstate the sense of entitlement. I don't expect Faile (or any other artists) to re-release their best images. That said, they have put out quite a few prints lately that lack a focal point and a sense of visual hierarchy. That may be intentional. But it makes those prints easy passes for me. And is the reason, in my opinion, those releases have not been nearly as popular as past releases. Not because they're not classic images. But because the composition isn't as visually appealing. As someone who is pretty new to all this, I'd be curious to hear more about which past releases people are referring to and why they don't find the new releases as appealing. This is by no means a complete list, but here are a few of their classic images. Faile actually does re-release their old images in different forms more so than other artists. But I don't think that's the issue some of us have with their recent prints. For me, there's no focal point. Your eye doesn't know where to look. It takes you a moment to figure out what you're looking at. And the answer isn't enough of a reward for the effort. If they had released the original yellow version of this as a print, it would have sold out in seconds. That's not a complaint. Just an observation. |
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New Faile print May , by sugar72 on May 11, 2017 17:28:09 GMT 1, Shit the bed! I love that happens everyday!!!
Shit the bed! I love that happens everyday!!!
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New Faile print May , by nobokov on May 11, 2017 17:29:50 GMT 1, You guys are funny when it comes to your speculation. Making lots of prints does not harm nor does it help an artist long term. Don't believe me? It's believed that picasso has upwards of 180k prints in circulation. He's not the only one either. In fact, one might argue that being prolific is a must if you're going to be a successful artist. And also, someone made a comment about how the prints take longer to sell out. Again, a quick sell out doesn't make a good artist in the way that a slower sell out doesn't make a bad artist. And if you think quick sell outs matter and invest in that way, you might learn that the hard way. You know who has had quick sell outs on here? Eyesaw. Tabby. Other names that maybe 100 people outside of this forum have heard of. As far as I can tell, sell outs mean nothing and slow sales mean nothing. But I'm happy to listen if someone wants to counter that... [small edit: picasso made 180k prints, not 80k] Banksy's editions have usually been more than 300 and there was a time back in the day that there were lots of them available on the Pictures On Walls website. You could scratch your chin for months before deciding to pick one up. Hasn't seemed to have affected his popularity.
I bought this latest print. I'm not crazy about the image yet, but I feel like it's growing on me day by day. It's a great price for such a large print. Luckily I have a spare frame of that size because I mismeasured a previous print and spent $200 on a frame that didn't even fit.
Still on a lookout for my favorite print of theirs 'Sugere Supra Bestias'....
You guys are funny when it comes to your speculation. Making lots of prints does not harm nor does it help an artist long term. Don't believe me? It's believed that picasso has upwards of 180k prints in circulation. He's not the only one either. In fact, one might argue that being prolific is a must if you're going to be a successful artist. And also, someone made a comment about how the prints take longer to sell out. Again, a quick sell out doesn't make a good artist in the way that a slower sell out doesn't make a bad artist. And if you think quick sell outs matter and invest in that way, you might learn that the hard way. You know who has had quick sell outs on here? Eyesaw. Tabby. Other names that maybe 100 people outside of this forum have heard of. As far as I can tell, sell outs mean nothing and slow sales mean nothing. But I'm happy to listen if someone wants to counter that... [small edit: picasso made 180k prints, not 80k] Banksy's editions have usually been more than 300 and there was a time back in the day that there were lots of them available on the Pictures On Walls website. You could scratch your chin for months before deciding to pick one up. Hasn't seemed to have affected his popularity. Looking at those older prints, to me, they look kind of outdated in a way and less advanced technically - I'm surprised that Faile's artistic progression would've already created that kind of division between older and newer works. I bought this latest print. I'm not crazy about the image yet, but I feel like it's growing on me day by day. It's a great price for such a large print. Luckily I have a spare frame of that size because I mismeasured a previous print and spent $200 on a frame that didn't even fit. Still on a lookout for my favorite print of theirs 'Sugere Supra Bestias'.... |
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New Faile print May , by sugar72 on May 11, 2017 17:31:25 GMT 1, Banksy's editions have usually been more than 300 and there was a time back in the day that there were lots of them available on the Pictures On Walls website. You could scratch your chin for months before deciding to pick one up. Hasn't seemed to have affected his popularity. Looking at those older prints, to me, they look kind of outdated in a way and less advanced technically - I'm surprised that Faile's artistic progression would've already created that kind of division between older and newer works. I bought this latest print. I'm not crazy about the image yet, but I feel like it's growing on me day by day. It's a great price for such a print. Luckily I have a spare frame of that size because I mismeasured a previous print and spent $200 on a frame that didn't even fit. Still on a lookout for my favorite print of theirs 'Sugere Supra Bestias'....
Maybe but they are by far their best images!! Happens everyday is an absolute beauty and classic
Banksy's editions have usually been more than 300 and there was a time back in the day that there were lots of them available on the Pictures On Walls website. You could scratch your chin for months before deciding to pick one up. Hasn't seemed to have affected his popularity. Looking at those older prints, to me, they look kind of outdated in a way and less advanced technically - I'm surprised that Faile's artistic progression would've already created that kind of division between older and newer works. I bought this latest print. I'm not crazy about the image yet, but I feel like it's growing on me day by day. It's a great price for such a print. Luckily I have a spare frame of that size because I mismeasured a previous print and spent $200 on a frame that didn't even fit. Still on a lookout for my favorite print of theirs 'Sugere Supra Bestias'.... Maybe but they are by far their best images!! Happens everyday is an absolute beauty and classic |
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New Faile print May , by kinesis on May 11, 2017 17:46:35 GMT 1, Shit the bed! I love that happens everyday!!!
Shit the bed! I love that happens everyday!!! I believe that's savage world, don't you have one. |
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New Faile print May , by sugar72 on May 11, 2017 17:48:34 GMT 1, Shit the bed! I love that happens everyday!!! I believe that's savage world, don't you have one.
Can never remember what it's called!! Sorry!
Yes I have a POW stencil of it.
Shit the bed! I love that happens everyday!!! I believe that's savage world, don't you have one. Can never remember what it's called!! Sorry! Yes I have a POW stencil of it. |
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