coller
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by coller on Jun 15, 2017 18:18:07 GMT 1, Looks like I'm about to buy a relatively expensive piece (~$17,000) from a member on here; I'm not used to buying art outside of the original source, so I was hoping someone could give me some pointers about the best way to do this:
My main question:
1. What is the best/most secure method of payment that ensures I will actually receive the art, and will give me recourse in case it is never sent?
Please let me know the advantages/disadvantages of different methods; I'm hoping to tie this up sooner than later.
Looks like I'm about to buy a relatively expensive piece (~$17,000) from a member on here; I'm not used to buying art outside of the original source, so I was hoping someone could give me some pointers about the best way to do this:
My main question:
1. What is the best/most secure method of payment that ensures I will actually receive the art, and will give me recourse in case it is never sent?
Please let me know the advantages/disadvantages of different methods; I'm hoping to tie this up sooner than later.
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dotdot
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by dotdot on Jun 15, 2017 19:05:25 GMT 1, is the member new here ?
is the transaction too good to be true ?
do you know the member ?
references ?
seriously - DO NOT under any circumstances RUSH.
With ref to shipping - use a shipper YOU BOTH trust. With appropriate assurances and insurance.
with ref to security - there are a few types of id you can request to confirm , passport / driving license.. (both sides).
... doubt others have gone down this route - notably galleries who frequent the bar... at the back.
is the member new here ?
is the transaction too good to be true ?
do you know the member ?
references ?
seriously - DO NOT under any circumstances RUSH.
With ref to shipping - use a shipper YOU BOTH trust. With appropriate assurances and insurance.
with ref to security - there are a few types of id you can request to confirm , passport / driving license.. (both sides).
... doubt others have gone down this route - notably galleries who frequent the bar... at the back.
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Deleted on Jun 15, 2017 19:48:47 GMT 1, Maybe contact one of the reputable galleries that are members here?
Maybe contact one of the reputable galleries that are members here?
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coller
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by coller on Jun 15, 2017 20:54:18 GMT 1, is the member new here ? is the transaction too good to be true ? do you know the member ? references ? seriously - DO NOT under any circumstances RUSH. With ref to shipping - use a shipper YOU BOTH trust. With appropriate assurances and insurance. with ref to security - there are a few types of id you can request to confirm , passport / driving license.. (both sides). ... doubt others have gone down this route - notably galleries who frequent the bar... at the back. Not rushing. It's a fair transaction, from what I can tell. I don't know the member, but he has two forum references (one hasn't been online since 2013). The member has been around since 2011, I believe. Mostly buys from source like me, so I don't think he has a ton of references (but then again, neither do I).
I don't feel like he should have to give me a picture of his passport; I wouldn't give that to any buyer lol
I might as well ask around here - the member is Beefree - if anyone can vouch for him that'd help me.
Also if people can enlighten me re: how they usually pay for pricey works from other members, that'd be helpful.
is the member new here ? is the transaction too good to be true ? do you know the member ? references ? seriously - DO NOT under any circumstances RUSH. With ref to shipping - use a shipper YOU BOTH trust. With appropriate assurances and insurance. with ref to security - there are a few types of id you can request to confirm , passport / driving license.. (both sides). ... doubt others have gone down this route - notably galleries who frequent the bar... at the back. Not rushing. It's a fair transaction, from what I can tell. I don't know the member, but he has two forum references (one hasn't been online since 2013). The member has been around since 2011, I believe. Mostly buys from source like me, so I don't think he has a ton of references (but then again, neither do I). I don't feel like he should have to give me a picture of his passport; I wouldn't give that to any buyer lol I might as well ask around here - the member is Beefree - if anyone can vouch for him that'd help me. Also if people can enlighten me re: how they usually pay for pricey works from other members, that'd be helpful.
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Poster Bob
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Poster Bob on Jun 15, 2017 22:11:59 GMT 1, 1. Paypal.
I'd recommend you find someone willing to stop by his place and make sure he has the item that you're wishing to purchase.
1. Paypal.
I'd recommend you find someone willing to stop by his place and make sure he has the item that you're wishing to purchase.
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Nick
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Nick on Jun 15, 2017 22:23:23 GMT 1, Absolutely make sure he actually has the artwork in his possession. A photo with your username written on paper next to the artwork. I don't think asking for id is unreasonable either.
My first option would be finding a reputable gallery to act as a middle man for a small fee.
Failing that and depending on where he lives I'd also consider catching a flight and wasting a weekend. You'll save the shipping and crating and remove all worries.
Absolutely make sure he actually has the artwork in his possession. A photo with your username written on paper next to the artwork. I don't think asking for id is unreasonable either.
My first option would be finding a reputable gallery to act as a middle man for a small fee.
Failing that and depending on where he lives I'd also consider catching a flight and wasting a weekend. You'll save the shipping and crating and remove all worries.
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CREAM
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by CREAM on Jun 15, 2017 22:32:34 GMT 1, Use a credit card you can do a chargeback on through PayPal, so you also have their protection. Or buy a plane ticket and purchase it in person ๐
Use a credit card you can do a chargeback on through PayPal, so you also have their protection. Or buy a plane ticket and purchase it in person ๐
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yobaby
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by yobaby on Jun 15, 2017 22:47:31 GMT 1, Use a credit card you can do a chargeback on through PayPal, so you also have their protection. Or buy a plane ticket and purchase it in person ๐
Amex through Paypal. An absolute must.
Use a credit card you can do a chargeback on through PayPal, so you also have their protection. Or buy a plane ticket and purchase it in person ๐ Amex through Paypal. An absolute must.
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beefree
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 15, 2017 23:16:37 GMT 1, Failing that and depending on where he lives I'd also consider catching a flight and wasting a weekend. You'll save the shipping and crating and remove all worries.
I agree with this. Since the buyer is super hesitant he is more than welcome to fly in and come to my HOME and purchase the print! Don't know how much more secure I can make it. ๐
Failing that and depending on where he lives I'd also consider catching a flight and wasting a weekend. You'll save the shipping and crating and remove all worries. I agree with this. Since the buyer is super hesitant he is more than welcome to fly in and come to my HOME and purchase the print! Don't know how much more secure I can make it. ๐
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touchdowntodd
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by touchdowntodd on Jun 15, 2017 23:33:26 GMT 1, Failing that and depending on where he lives I'd also consider catching a flight and wasting a weekend. You'll save the shipping and crating and remove all worries. I agree with this. Since the buyer is super hesitant he is more than welcome to fly in and come to my HOME and purchase the print! Don't know how much more secure I can make it. ๐
In a short few days hopefully i can vouch for you. But you've been incredibly up front and honest so far
Failing that and depending on where he lives I'd also consider catching a flight and wasting a weekend. You'll save the shipping and crating and remove all worries. I agree with this. Since the buyer is super hesitant he is more than welcome to fly in and come to my HOME and purchase the print! Don't know how much more secure I can make it. ๐ In a short few days hopefully i can vouch for you. But you've been incredibly up front and honest so far
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Flashback
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Flashback on Jun 15, 2017 23:40:47 GMT 1, As mentioned, credit card via Paypal.
If too far away to make it worth the flight then do a facetime chat to see the item in the sellers house, get them to show their passport, itemised bill with their name & address (that matches their passport and paypal) and ask them to walk outside so you can see the house number and street of the address details provided.
Maybe a google map pin drop wouldn't be amiss either.
As mentioned, credit card via Paypal.
If too far away to make it worth the flight then do a facetime chat to see the item in the sellers house, get them to show their passport, itemised bill with their name & address (that matches their passport and paypal) and ask them to walk outside so you can see the house number and street of the address details provided.
Maybe a google map pin drop wouldn't be amiss either.
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mla
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by mla on Jun 15, 2017 23:46:48 GMT 1, I would just go pick it up. Paypal takes their 2.9% domestically, and on a $17K purchase, that's more than enough to purchase a ticket for a domestic flight.
I would just go pick it up. Paypal takes their 2.9% domestically, and on a $17K purchase, that's more than enough to purchase a ticket for a domestic flight.
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beefree
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 15, 2017 23:50:08 GMT 1, I would just go pick it up. Paypal takes their 2.9% domestically, and on a $17K purchase, that's more than enough to purchase a ticket for a domestic flight.
THIS! You guys are nuts if you think I'm going to give someone copies of my passport for ANY AMOUNT...especially something this cheap. ๐
I would just go pick it up. Paypal takes their 2.9% domestically, and on a $17K purchase, that's more than enough to purchase a ticket for a domestic flight. THIS! You guys are nuts if you think I'm going to give someone copies of my passport for ANY AMOUNT...especially something this cheap. ๐
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Flashback
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Flashback on Jun 16, 2017 0:11:22 GMT 1, I would just go pick it up. Paypal takes their 2.9% domestically, and on a $17K purchase, that's more than enough to purchase a ticket for a domestic flight. THIS! You guys are nuts if you think I'm going to give someone copies of my passport for ANY AMOUNT...especially something this cheap. ๐ You don't have to give copies, just simply show it (cover some of the passport number if you wish) against your face.
I would just go pick it up. Paypal takes their 2.9% domestically, and on a $17K purchase, that's more than enough to purchase a ticket for a domestic flight. THIS! You guys are nuts if you think I'm going to give someone copies of my passport for ANY AMOUNT...especially something this cheap. ๐ You don't have to give copies, just simply show it (cover some of the passport number if you wish) against your face.
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beefree
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 16, 2017 0:20:27 GMT 1, This is getting too crazy to sell something so cheap. This is worse than getting my first mortgage. ๐ I told him he is more than welcome to meet me face to face or have one of his friends who is local meet me face to face. Other than that I'm not giving away passport or ID pictures.
This is getting too crazy to sell something so cheap. This is worse than getting my first mortgage. ๐ I told him he is more than welcome to meet me face to face or have one of his friends who is local meet me face to face. Other than that I'm not giving away passport or ID pictures.
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by jluhiex on Jun 16, 2017 0:41:38 GMT 1, Passport is excessive. Next thing you know you'll want
"Two forms of government ID, a police officer there to verify the whole thing, four or five of my buddies and Neal taking notes, and R. Kelly's grandma to confirm his identity"
Passport is excessive. Next thing you know you'll want
"Two forms of government ID, a police officer there to verify the whole thing, four or five of my buddies and Neal taking notes, and R. Kelly's grandma to confirm his identity"
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d.r. perseus
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by d.r. perseus on Jun 16, 2017 0:54:07 GMT 1, Ah give the buyer a break seller! Just four pints of your blood for DNA testing and seal sealed! Really though. That's a big purchase for a lot of folks so I can understand the nerves.
Good luck to you both
Ah give the buyer a break seller! Just four pints of your blood for DNA testing and seal sealed! Really though. That's a big purchase for a lot of folks so I can understand the nerves.
Good luck to you both
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Deleted on Jun 16, 2017 0:56:47 GMT 1, This is getting too crazy to sell something so cheap. This is worse than getting my first mortgage. ๐ I told him he is more than welcome to meet me face to face or have one of his friends who is local meet me face to face. Other than that I'm not giving away passport or ID pictures. Listen, 17k is not "cheap" to the majority of the global population nor is it really "cheap" in comparison to the majority of the art traded on here. You must understand that, no? Without questioning your integrity as I do not know you ANY buyer is 100% right to confirm the authenticity of a deal with someone they do not know. Not exactly sure why it would be a hassle at all. Also seems as though you've offered some sensible options for collection.
This is getting too crazy to sell something so cheap. This is worse than getting my first mortgage. ๐ I told him he is more than welcome to meet me face to face or have one of his friends who is local meet me face to face. Other than that I'm not giving away passport or ID pictures. Listen, 17k is not "cheap" to the majority of the global population nor is it really "cheap" in comparison to the majority of the art traded on here. You must understand that, no? Without questioning your integrity as I do not know you ANY buyer is 100% right to confirm the authenticity of a deal with someone they do not know. Not exactly sure why it would be a hassle at all. Also seems as though you've offered some sensible options for collection.
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beefree
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 16, 2017 1:21:36 GMT 1, I know most people see $17,000 as a lot and that's why I've done this much already. I paid to have the print unframed professionally so he could verify condition...I have given him references of the people I purchased THESE EXACT works from on here...I have given him my art Agency that has sold millions in functional glass art...I provided five different forms for him to pay...I offered to meet him or his friends AT MY HOME OR OFFICE to conduct the deal...I don't know what more I can do.
I know most people see $17,000 as a lot and that's why I've done this much already. I paid to have the print unframed professionally so he could verify condition...I have given him references of the people I purchased THESE EXACT works from on here...I have given him my art Agency that has sold millions in functional glass art...I provided five different forms for him to pay...I offered to meet him or his friends AT MY HOME OR OFFICE to conduct the deal...I don't know what more I can do.
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coller
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by coller on Jun 16, 2017 13:11:12 GMT 1, I know most people see $17,000 as a lot and that's why I've done this much already. I paid to have the print unframed professionally so he could verify condition...I have given him references of the people I purchased THESE EXACT works from on here...I have given him my art Agency that has sold millions in functional glass art...I provided five different forms for him to pay...I offered to meet him or his friends AT MY HOME OR OFFICE to conduct the deal...I don't know what more I can do. To be fair, I contacted your references and they either didn't respond or said they don't know who you are, so I'm kind of stuck there.
And yeah, this is a big purchase for me. Just came on here to ask people advice re: payment options; this whole "hassle" thing is kind of turning me off from the deal because I feel like I'm making very normal requests (unframed pictures, references, etc.).
Ideally I'd like an option that doesn't involve me flying across the United States in an airplane. I also don't think I can find someone local to assist with the deal, unfortunately.
If anyone has any additional advice, please let me know.
I know most people see $17,000 as a lot and that's why I've done this much already. I paid to have the print unframed professionally so he could verify condition...I have given him references of the people I purchased THESE EXACT works from on here...I have given him my art Agency that has sold millions in functional glass art...I provided five different forms for him to pay...I offered to meet him or his friends AT MY HOME OR OFFICE to conduct the deal...I don't know what more I can do. To be fair, I contacted your references and they either didn't respond or said they don't know who you are, so I'm kind of stuck there. And yeah, this is a big purchase for me. Just came on here to ask people advice re: payment options; this whole "hassle" thing is kind of turning me off from the deal because I feel like I'm making very normal requests (unframed pictures, references, etc.). Ideally I'd like an option that doesn't involve me flying across the United States in an airplane. I also don't think I can find someone local to assist with the deal, unfortunately. If anyone has any additional advice, please let me know.
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coller
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by coller on Jun 16, 2017 13:12:52 GMT 1, And I never asked for passport or ID pictures, nor would I; that's insane.
And I never asked for passport or ID pictures, nor would I; that's insane.
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mla
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by mla on Jun 16, 2017 15:11:26 GMT 1, Under Paypal, you are very well protected.
Under Paypal, you are very well protected.
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dotdot
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by dotdot on Jun 16, 2017 15:49:09 GMT 1, On the other hand without caution you'd be foolish , right ? So a decent amount of caution is only understandable.
Don't let's forget this is a private deal ; people here have been scammed by galleries in the past , so - you can't be too cautious.
And yes I've been asked for passport / proof of address in a txaction in the past.
stay cool and keep your heid..
On the other hand without caution you'd be foolish , right ? So a decent amount of caution is only understandable.
Don't let's forget this is a private deal ; people here have been scammed by galleries in the past , so - you can't be too cautious.
And yes I've been asked for passport / proof of address in a txaction in the past.
stay cool and keep your heid..
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beefree
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 16, 2017 16:28:55 GMT 1, I know most people see $17,000 as a lot and that's why I've done this much already. I paid to have the print unframed professionally so he could verify condition...I have given him references of the people I purchased THESE EXACT works from on here...I have given him my art Agency that has sold millions in functional glass art...I provided five different forms for him to pay...I offered to meet him or his friends AT MY HOME OR OFFICE to conduct the deal...I don't know what more I can do. To be fair, I contacted your references and they either didn't respond or said they don't know who you are, so I'm kind of stuck there. And yeah, this is a big purchase for me. Just came on here to ask people advice re: payment options; this whole "hassle" thing is kind of turning me off from the deal because I feel like I'm making very normal requests (unframed pictures, references, etc.). Ideally I'd like an option that doesn't involve me flying across the United States in an airplane. I also don't think I can find someone local to assist with the deal, unfortunately. If anyone has any additional advice, please let me know.
There is no way the references I gave you didn't know me unless you asked for me by this internet name...the people I gave you know my ART AGENCY or me in real life. The member on here can go through his messages and see I purchased from him if he can't remember.
Honestly why would I rip you off if I keep telling you to come in IN PERSON to make it less stressful for both of us.
I told you to look at the Instagram of my art Agency that has sold millions in functional glass art. I sold the first ever $100,000 BONG and others past that. Anyone is allowed to look my company's Instagram @12earth and see how many very very expensive glass pieces I put into many many collector's hands. Maybe you guys will learn something about a different art form.
Yes I'm a f**kingasshole...but it's just when people aren't appreciative of someone's time...and that doesn't change my business ethic or honesty. #safezone
I know most people see $17,000 as a lot and that's why I've done this much already. I paid to have the print unframed professionally so he could verify condition...I have given him references of the people I purchased THESE EXACT works from on here...I have given him my art Agency that has sold millions in functional glass art...I provided five different forms for him to pay...I offered to meet him or his friends AT MY HOME OR OFFICE to conduct the deal...I don't know what more I can do. To be fair, I contacted your references and they either didn't respond or said they don't know who you are, so I'm kind of stuck there. And yeah, this is a big purchase for me. Just came on here to ask people advice re: payment options; this whole "hassle" thing is kind of turning me off from the deal because I feel like I'm making very normal requests (unframed pictures, references, etc.). Ideally I'd like an option that doesn't involve me flying across the United States in an airplane. I also don't think I can find someone local to assist with the deal, unfortunately. If anyone has any additional advice, please let me know. There is no way the references I gave you didn't know me unless you asked for me by this internet name...the people I gave you know my ART AGENCY or me in real life. The member on here can go through his messages and see I purchased from him if he can't remember. Honestly why would I rip you off if I keep telling you to come in IN PERSON to make it less stressful for both of us. I told you to look at the Instagram of my art Agency that has sold millions in functional glass art. I sold the first ever $100,000 BONG and others past that. Anyone is allowed to look my company's Instagram @12earth and see how many very very expensive glass pieces I put into many many collector's hands. Maybe you guys will learn something about a different art form. Yes I'm a f**kingasshole...but it's just when people aren't appreciative of someone's time...and that doesn't change my business ethic or honesty. #safezone
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bone
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by bone on Jun 16, 2017 16:51:52 GMT 1, Im interested in seeing the 100k bong
Im interested in seeing the 100k bong
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beefree
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 16, 2017 17:18:45 GMT 1, Im interested in seeing the 100k bong
Of course! I love teaching people about different art forms!
Im interested in seeing the 100k bong Of course! I love teaching people about different art forms!
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by Eton Groover on Jun 16, 2017 17:33:45 GMT 1, Im interested in seeing the 100k bong Of course! I love teaching people about different art forms!
Seriously $100k for that! You'd have to be stoned out of your fucking mind!!...... Ah, right... Ok, I see.
Im interested in seeing the 100k bong Of course! I love teaching people about different art forms! Seriously $100k for that! You'd have to be stoned out of your fucking mind!!...... Ah, right... Ok, I see.
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ca
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by ca on Jun 16, 2017 17:38:54 GMT 1, so when a bong hits the 100k mark, do people still smoke from it or what?
so when a bong hits the 100k mark, do people still smoke from it or what?
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beefree
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by beefree on Jun 16, 2017 17:56:19 GMT 1, Hahaha! Now time for all the questions and snide comments!
Yes $100,000 for THAT. If you understand how much time, labor, and love go into a piece like this you would completely understand. These type of works are based on old Italian millefiori work. Content work in borosilicate glass art takes exceptionally long and is a hard process. If a section breaks your whole entire work goes into the garbage. There is no "painting over".
Regarding if people smoke it...most people do...think about the people that are willing to spend $100,000 on a bong and what they probably do all day. :-P
Hahaha! Now time for all the questions and snide comments!
Yes $100,000 for THAT. If you understand how much time, labor, and love go into a piece like this you would completely understand. These type of works are based on old Italian millefiori work. Content work in borosilicate glass art takes exceptionally long and is a hard process. If a section breaks your whole entire work goes into the garbage. There is no "painting over".
Regarding if people smoke it...most people do...think about the people that are willing to spend $100,000 on a bong and what they probably do all day. :-P
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yobaby
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Question re: buying valuable art non-locally, by yobaby on Jun 16, 2017 18:51:03 GMT 1, Good thread this, opportunity to here to flesh out a blueprint for all concerned.
How do cross Atlantic Banksy dealers do business? 17k is huge cash for a lot of folk.. 3k is is huge cash for a lot of folk..
Why not invoice with clear stipulations through PayPal? Surely naming edition number/artist/title and stipulating any other available relevant information would be enough to cover you through Paypal?
Good thread this, opportunity to here to flesh out a blueprint for all concerned.
How do cross Atlantic Banksy dealers do business? 17k is huge cash for a lot of folk.. 3k is is huge cash for a lot of folk..
Why not invoice with clear stipulations through PayPal? Surely naming edition number/artist/title and stipulating any other available relevant information would be enough to cover you through Paypal?
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