mmmike
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Hirst โข Valium, by mmmike on Mar 7, 2011 19:49:16 GMT 1, I don't mind flippers but selling fakes is another story. Saying this is 100% fake is also a bold accusation.
I don't mind flippers but selling fakes is another story. Saying this is 100% fake is also a bold accusation.
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volvic
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Hirst โข Valium, by volvic on Mar 7, 2011 19:56:10 GMT 1, i don't think print guru was calling anyone out here, he was merely letting him know he thinks its fake and that he for his own sake should contact eye storm before carrying on any transactions....nice looking out
i don't think print guru was calling anyone out here, he was merely letting him know he thinks its fake and that he for his own sake should contact eye storm before carrying on any transactions....nice looking out
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Pattycakes
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Hirst โข Valium, by Pattycakes on Mar 7, 2011 19:57:02 GMT 1, mmmike - I agree and I wouldn't say it if I wasn't 100% sure.
mmmike - I agree and I wouldn't say it if I wasn't 100% sure.
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Hirst โข Valium, by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 20:07:57 GMT 1, Jepp, I am afraid to say, but I am 100% certain that your Hirst is a fake. There are some very tell-tale signs that point to this being wrong. Where did you purchase the work from? I suggest you contact Eyestorm immediately.
like they are a reputable outfit 
Jepp, I am afraid to say, but I am 100% certain that your Hirst is a fake. There are some very tell-tale signs that point to this being wrong. Where did you purchase the work from? I suggest you contact Eyestorm immediately. like they are a reputable outfit |
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Pattycakes
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Hirst โข Valium, by Pattycakes on Mar 7, 2011 20:24:40 GMT 1, true, but it's in their interest to get the wrong ones off the street.
true, but it's in their interest to get the wrong ones off the street.
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Hirst โข Valium, by Deleted on Mar 7, 2011 20:35:50 GMT 1, true, but it's in their interest to get the wrong ones off the street.
knowing how they operate - I wouldnt hold my breathe on that one
true, but it's in their interest to get the wrong ones off the street. knowing how they operate - I wouldnt hold my breathe on that one |
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RPM
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Hirst โข Valium, by RPM on Mar 7, 2011 20:39:46 GMT 1, true, but it's in their interest to get the wrong ones off the street. knowing how they operate - I wouldnt hold my breathe on that one
Would love to know more about Eyestorm. I thought they were reputable. What evidence is there to the contrary? Sorry if this has been discussed previously, I'm just hearing this for the first time. Thanks.
RPM
true, but it's in their interest to get the wrong ones off the street. knowing how they operate - I wouldnt hold my breathe on that one Would love to know more about Eyestorm. I thought they were reputable. What evidence is there to the contrary? Sorry if this has been discussed previously, I'm just hearing this for the first time. Thanks. RPM |
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Hirst โข Valium, by Pattycakes on Mar 7, 2011 20:41:51 GMT 1, well possibly, I couldn't comment on that. They do however have a dossier supplied by Science which indicates exactly what is wrong with the fakes that were produced. Since they were the publishers they do the authentication on them. Though I am sure Science would look at things too if asked.
well possibly, I couldn't comment on that. They do however have a dossier supplied by Science which indicates exactly what is wrong with the fakes that were produced. Since they were the publishers they do the authentication on them. Though I am sure Science would look at things too if asked.
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curiousgeorge
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Hirst โข Valium, by curiousgeorge on Mar 7, 2011 23:38:39 GMT 1, The paper is totally wrong for starters? In black and white so to speak!
The paper is totally wrong for starters? In black and white so to speak!
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Hirst โข Valium, by wizzy on Mar 7, 2011 23:57:35 GMT 1, Jepp, what are your thoughts on these issues?.
Jepp, what are your thoughts on these issues?.
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hlarmy
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Hirst โข Valium, by hlarmy on Mar 8, 2011 0:28:57 GMT 1, Jeppe, what is the history of the piece and what do you have in the way of COA etc?
For someone who was has been looking into doing a deal on this, I appreciate people saying they have their doubts... 
Jeppe, what is the history of the piece and what do you have in the way of COA etc? For someone who was has been looking into doing a deal on this, I appreciate people saying they have their doubts... |
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Hirst โข Valium, by olgi on Mar 8, 2011 11:47:41 GMT 1, Print, how could you see theese are fakes?
Print, how could you see theese are fakes?
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Hirst โข Valium, by Deleted on Mar 8, 2011 11:57:12 GMT 1, For someone who was has been looking into doing a deal on this, I appreciate people saying they have their doubts...
Ditto.
For someone who was has been looking into doing a deal on this, I appreciate people saying they have their doubts... Ditto. |
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balibob
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Hirst โข Valium, by balibob on Mar 8, 2011 11:59:59 GMT 1, I think Jepps world has just caved...i really hope that the guys who are calling fake have got their facts straight
I think Jepps world has just caved...i really hope that the guys who are calling fake have got their facts straight
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Hirst โข Valium, by debaser on Mar 8, 2011 12:15:00 GMT 1, remarkable that printguru could tell this is possibly a fake from such poor photographs posted, although the quality of the photos rung alarm bells for me, also the print laid out on the floor was enough to put me off.
remarkable that printguru could tell this is possibly a fake from such poor photographs posted, although the quality of the photos rung alarm bells for me, also the print laid out on the floor was enough to put me off.
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Hirst โข Valium, by Karl Read on Mar 8, 2011 12:16:26 GMT 1, I thought the reflection coming off the paper looked like the paper was glossy.
I thought the reflection coming off the paper looked like the paper was glossy.
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redfred
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Hirst โข Valium, by redfred on Mar 8, 2011 12:16:52 GMT 1, I think printguru should be commended for speaking up as he obviousely knows a lot more about the subject than most of us do, if I was jepps and had cast iron proof it was legit then I would be screaming my head off but all quiet so far! I hope printguru is wrong but I have an uneasy feeling he is'nt.
I think printguru should be commended for speaking up as he obviousely knows a lot more about the subject than most of us do, if I was jepps and had cast iron proof it was legit then I would be screaming my head off but all quiet so far! I hope printguru is wrong but I have an uneasy feeling he is'nt.
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Hirst โข Valium, by bazzj04 on Mar 8, 2011 12:24:53 GMT 1, Think there needs to be an explanation why you think this is a possible fake, and also Jeeps to respond
Think there needs to be an explanation why you think this is a possible fake, and also Jeeps to respond
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balibob
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Hirst โข Valium, by balibob on Mar 8, 2011 12:25:52 GMT 1, I think printguru should be commended for speaking up as he obviousely knows a lot more about the subject than most of us do, if I was jepps and had cast iron proof it was legit then I would be screaming my head off but all quiet so far! I hope printguru is wrong but I have an uneasy feeling he is'nt.
you could be right or maybe he is trying to get it checked out (i would be)
I think printguru should be commended for speaking up as he obviousely knows a lot more about the subject than most of us do, if I was jepps and had cast iron proof it was legit then I would be screaming my head off but all quiet so far! I hope printguru is wrong but I have an uneasy feeling he is'nt. you could be right or maybe he is trying to get it checked out (i would be) |
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Hirst โข Valium, by jdwheeler on Mar 8, 2011 12:45:28 GMT 1, Editing my post: Printguru seems to know what he is on about.
Eyestorm can verify yes or no.
If it is fake, I would like to buy it for a fair price it as I like the image (cant justify a real one!!).
Editing my post: Printguru seems to know what he is on about.
Eyestorm can verify yes or no.
If it is fake, I would like to buy it for a fair price it as I like the image (cant justify a real one!!).
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Hirst โข Valium, by spencerlee on Mar 8, 2011 13:56:55 GMT 1, Think there needs to be an explanation why you think this is a possible fake, and also Jeeps to respond
As stated on the other thread. The specific reasons are often kept under wraps to not help out forgers. The same is true in record collecting when people bootleg records.
Think there needs to be an explanation why you think this is a possible fake, and also Jeeps to respond As stated on the other thread. The specific reasons are often kept under wraps to not help out forgers. The same is true in record collecting when people bootleg records. |
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redfred
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Hirst โข Valium, by redfred on Mar 8, 2011 14:47:17 GMT 1, The only thing I know about these were that the signatures were prone to fading which is why you see some with a very light signature, Hirst had to resign many that were returned to Eyestorm, the one on offer here has a bold signature which would suggest that it has been resigned therefore the owner should have documentation to cover this or it has been forged.
The only thing I know about these were that the signatures were prone to fading which is why you see some with a very light signature, Hirst had to resign many that were returned to Eyestorm, the one on offer here has a bold signature which would suggest that it has been resigned therefore the owner should have documentation to cover this or it has been forged.
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redfred
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Hirst โข Valium, by redfred on Mar 8, 2011 15:31:13 GMT 1, Could be worth dropping printguru a PM and asking if he can shed any light about his concerns as he seems to be the expert.
Could be worth dropping printguru a PM and asking if he can shed any light about his concerns as he seems to be the expert.
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Hirst โข Valium, by gibbin82 on Mar 8, 2011 15:41:54 GMT 1, hi all.. great thanks for the big interest this tread has in the last few days. I like a good discussion, but where are we when there is no argument. this is a old story about the ed from 2000, and a lot of people like to see blood when especially these print comes up. just google it I was also in doubt when I bought it time back, but I lucky to have a friend in Bruun Rasmussen auction House who help me out. He have a friend in the same company how have been in contact with some of the imitations there was years back. He told my friend what he could look after before a trade But any way I bought It from a trusted gallery I have the COA, and even the original shipping paper from Eyestorm I know the pic are in bad quality, but I only have a iphone 3gs right now I was in contact with eyestorm when I bought it time back, they don`t want to help with any thing only to make a second hand deal with them.. 11000 right on 
You seem quite at ease with all of the claims of this print being a fake, you must be very sure it is genuine. Bearing in mind that these fakes have even fooled Sothebys, if it was mine I would now be very worried. Maybe if you posted a couple of pictures of your COA and proof of purchase it would stop all of the concern that people have on here about this and fill them with as much confidence as you have.
hi all.. great thanks for the big interest this tread has in the last few days. I like a good discussion, but where are we when there is no argument. this is a old story about the ed from 2000, and a lot of people like to see blood when especially these print comes up. just google it I was also in doubt when I bought it time back, but I lucky to have a friend in Bruun Rasmussen auction House who help me out. He have a friend in the same company how have been in contact with some of the imitations there was years back. He told my friend what he could look after before a trade But any way I bought It from a trusted gallery I have the COA, and even the original shipping paper from Eyestorm I know the pic are in bad quality, but I only have a iphone 3gs right now I was in contact with eyestorm when I bought it time back, they don`t want to help with any thing only to make a second hand deal with them.. 11000 right on You seem quite at ease with all of the claims of this print being a fake, you must be very sure it is genuine. Bearing in mind that these fakes have even fooled Sothebys, if it was mine I would now be very worried. Maybe if you posted a couple of pictures of your COA and proof of purchase it would stop all of the concern that people have on here about this and fill them with as much confidence as you have. |
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Hirst โข Valium, by digitalkid on Mar 8, 2011 19:49:53 GMT 1, the print laid out on the floor was enough to put me off.
A tiled non flat floor, with glasses to keep it held down  fuck that for a laugh.
the print laid out on the floor was enough to put me off. A tiled non flat floor, with glasses to keep it held down fuck that for a laugh. |
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Hirst โข Valium, by BootjackBandit on Mar 8, 2011 21:48:33 GMT 1, what # of the edition is this?
what # of the edition is this?
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Pattycakes
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Hirst โข Valium, by Pattycakes on Mar 8, 2011 23:37:18 GMT 1, I've not written for a while deliberately as I wanted to see what Jepp returned with. I am not saying he's doing anything wrong, but clearly he's not following protocol. So below I am posting exactly what Science prescribes for the Valium print. I do this because I do not want anyone to get done over on this forum - frankly it's better this info is out there than not in my opinion.
so:
Fake Valium Warning signs:
Fakes on Fujifilm FujiColour Crystal Archive Paper
Fakes with very Narrow Margins (i.e. no margins around image edges)
Fakes are usually numbered often from 3 i.e. XXX digits out of 500
Numbering on fakes is written XXX/500
real should be written
XXX
500
fakes with a small "lazy" signature
Fakes colour issue with two dots (I will not reveal these colours or positions)
Ok that's it. I am not writing how a real one should appear, but I hope that this information closes this issue.
I do this not to disappoint one person, but to save one or many a lot of ยฃ.
I've not written for a while deliberately as I wanted to see what Jepp returned with. I am not saying he's doing anything wrong, but clearly he's not following protocol. So below I am posting exactly what Science prescribes for the Valium print. I do this because I do not want anyone to get done over on this forum - frankly it's better this info is out there than not in my opinion.
so:
Fake Valium Warning signs:
Fakes on Fujifilm FujiColour Crystal Archive Paper
Fakes with very Narrow Margins (i.e. no margins around image edges)
Fakes are usually numbered often from 3 i.e. XXX digits out of 500
Numbering on fakes is written XXX/500
real should be written
XXX
500
fakes with a small "lazy" signature
Fakes colour issue with two dots (I will not reveal these colours or positions)
Ok that's it. I am not writing how a real one should appear, but I hope that this information closes this issue.
I do this not to disappoint one person, but to save one or many a lot of ยฃ.
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Hirst โข Valium, by anodyne13 on Mar 9, 2011 0:09:58 GMT 1, And that's that then.
And that's that then.
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Hirst โข Valium, by shakey1181 on Mar 9, 2011 9:00:05 GMT 1, Really interesting thread, I've always assumed (perhaps giving forgers too much credit) that they might actually get hold of an original, use a bit of quality control and make them look indistinguishable (sp?). something like the layout of the numbering is such a fundamental error surely? especially when you consider the amount of money that these go for.
Really interesting thread, I've always assumed (perhaps giving forgers too much credit) that they might actually get hold of an original, use a bit of quality control and make them look indistinguishable (sp?). something like the layout of the numbering is such a fundamental error surely? especially when you consider the amount of money that these go for.
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Hirst โข Valium, by jdwheeler on Mar 9, 2011 11:07:25 GMT 1, I've not written for a while deliberately as I wanted to see what Jepp returned with. I am not saying he's doing anything wrong, but clearly he's not following protocol. So below I am posting exactly what Science prescribes for the Valium print. I do this because I do not want anyone to get done over on this forum - frankly it's better this info is out there than not in my opinion. so: Fake Valium Warning signs: Fakes on Fujifilm FujiColour Crystal Archive Paper Fakes with very Narrow Margins (i.e. no margins around image edges) Fakes are usually numbered often from 3 i.e. XXX digits out of 500 Numbering on fakes is written XXX/500 real should be written XXX 500 fakes with a small "lazy" signature Fakes colour issue with two dots (I will not reveal these colours or positions) Ok that's it. I am not writing how a real one should appear, but I hope that this information closes this issue. I do this not to disappoint one person, but to save one or many a lot of ยฃ.
Can you clarify the Fuji Archive paper point?
I thought the real ones are done on Fuji Archive?
OP - I would buy this for a cheap price (I will write fake across the back, but love the image).
I've not written for a while deliberately as I wanted to see what Jepp returned with. I am not saying he's doing anything wrong, but clearly he's not following protocol. So below I am posting exactly what Science prescribes for the Valium print. I do this because I do not want anyone to get done over on this forum - frankly it's better this info is out there than not in my opinion. so: Fake Valium Warning signs: Fakes on Fujifilm FujiColour Crystal Archive Paper Fakes with very Narrow Margins (i.e. no margins around image edges) Fakes are usually numbered often from 3 i.e. XXX digits out of 500 Numbering on fakes is written XXX/500 real should be written XXX 500 fakes with a small "lazy" signature Fakes colour issue with two dots (I will not reveal these colours or positions) Ok that's it. I am not writing how a real one should appear, but I hope that this information closes this issue. I do this not to disappoint one person, but to save one or many a lot of ยฃ. Can you clarify the Fuji Archive paper point? I thought the real ones are done on Fuji Archive? OP - I would buy this for a cheap price (I will write fake across the back, but love the image). |
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fuck that for a laugh. 
