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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Everyone Owes on Sept 2, 2017 19:52:03 GMT 1, Where would this scene be, had Mr B never blown up, or occurred? Would the likes of Faile, Fairey, Eine be where they are today (*Brainwash, we could have done without for sure.) Would another scene have taken it's place, maybe driven by the YBAs? Would it be much more bespoke, less driven by derivative styles? Or is that a good thing? Are more people now aware of 'art' as a result? I enjoy it regardless but sometimes I do wonder what might have been..... anyone else?
Where would this scene be, had Mr B never blown up, or occurred? Would the likes of Faile, Fairey, Eine be where they are today (*Brainwash, we could have done without for sure.) Would another scene have taken it's place, maybe driven by the YBAs? Would it be much more bespoke, less driven by derivative styles? Or is that a good thing? Are more people now aware of 'art' as a result? I enjoy it regardless but sometimes I do wonder what might have been..... anyone else?
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by mose on Sept 2, 2017 20:15:39 GMT 1, Where would this scene be, had Mr B never blown up, or occurred? Would the likes of Faile, Fairey, Eine be where they are today (*Brainwash, we could have done without for sure.) Would another scene have taken it's place, maybe driven by the YBAs? Would it be much more bespoke, less driven by derivative styles? Or is that a good thing? Are more people now aware of 'art' as a result? I enjoy it regardless but sometimes I do wonder what might have been..... anyone else?
I don't know about the others, given their strong connection with POW & Laz, but I think highly likely that Fairey would have had the same path. His peers are less Banksy & company and more Kaws and Barry McGee, as they are the three American giants to rise from the 1990's scenes(Faile was established in 1999, but their development was most definitely 2000's. In contrast, Fairey's stickers had already been going worldwide for 10 years before Faile even existed).
I think of a bizarro world where Banksy and co. didn't happen, and in that fever dream Dan Colen, Dash Snow(still alive), Nate Lowman, Ryan McGinley, Terence Koh, Banks Violette, etc. are far more pop cultural forces then they ended up being. Where post 9-11 NYC dominates.
Where would this scene be, had Mr B never blown up, or occurred? Would the likes of Faile, Fairey, Eine be where they are today (*Brainwash, we could have done without for sure.) Would another scene have taken it's place, maybe driven by the YBAs? Would it be much more bespoke, less driven by derivative styles? Or is that a good thing? Are more people now aware of 'art' as a result? I enjoy it regardless but sometimes I do wonder what might have been..... anyone else? I don't know about the others, given their strong connection with POW & Laz, but I think highly likely that Fairey would have had the same path. His peers are less Banksy & company and more Kaws and Barry McGee, as they are the three American giants to rise from the 1990's scenes(Faile was established in 1999, but their development was most definitely 2000's. In contrast, Fairey's stickers had already been going worldwide for 10 years before Faile even existed). I think of a bizarro world where Banksy and co. didn't happen, and in that fever dream Dan Colen, Dash Snow(still alive), Nate Lowman, Ryan McGinley, Terence Koh, Banks Violette, etc. are far more pop cultural forces then they ended up being. Where post 9-11 NYC dominates. |
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Poesia on Sept 2, 2017 20:23:06 GMT 1, Where would this scene be, had Mr B never blown up, or occurred? Would the likes of Faile, Fairey, Eine be where they are today (*Brainwash, we could have done without for sure.) Would another scene have taken it's place, maybe driven by the YBAs? Would it be much more bespoke, less driven by derivative styles? Or is that a good thing? Are more people now aware of 'art' as a result? I enjoy it regardless but sometimes I do wonder what might have been..... anyone else?
Where would this scene be, had Mr B never blown up, or occurred? Would the likes of Faile, Fairey, Eine be where they are today (*Brainwash, we could have done without for sure.) Would another scene have taken it's place, maybe driven by the YBAs? Would it be much more bespoke, less driven by derivative styles? Or is that a good thing? Are more people now aware of 'art' as a result? I enjoy it regardless but sometimes I do wonder what might have been..... anyone else? If Banksy never happened I think Shepard or Barry would have dictated general directions and street art and graffiti would have equal artists to aspire to be. I think street art would have continued to grow and a normal level much like graffiti had been, but the explosion would not have happened and graffiti would not have been left so far behind. Which brings us to today, street art has been declining fast because this Bubble the quality hase been garbage for some time and graffiti artists have slowly been making ground on the market and they are the real avant garde right now. IMO |
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Harveyn on Sept 2, 2017 21:13:36 GMT 1, This scene started way before Banksy and will continue long after. Keith Haring and Jean-Michel Basquiat are just a few of the pioneers. That said Banksy has given the whole scene a second wind with a capital B.
I certainly believe that if Banksy did not exist that others like KAWS, Barry McGee, Shepard Fairey, OS Gemeos, Swoon, Futura, Faile and many more would have pushed this scene forward.
So much talent and so much energy. Its why it remains so fresh, current and captivating IMO.
I have always had a broad love of art across so many genre's from Turner, Da Vinci, Van Gogh to Hirst, Bacon, Freud, Adrian Ghenie, Jenny Saville and George Condo to name but a few. But without doubt this scene excites and invigorates me more than any other.
This scene started way before Banksy and will continue long after. Keith Haring and Jean-Michel Basquiat are just a few of the pioneers. That said Banksy has given the whole scene a second wind with a capital B.
I certainly believe that if Banksy did not exist that others like KAWS, Barry McGee, Shepard Fairey, OS Gemeos, Swoon, Futura, Faile and many more would have pushed this scene forward.
So much talent and so much energy. Its why it remains so fresh, current and captivating IMO.
I have always had a broad love of art across so many genre's from Turner, Da Vinci, Van Gogh to Hirst, Bacon, Freud, Adrian Ghenie, Jenny Saville and George Condo to name but a few. But without doubt this scene excites and invigorates me more than any other.
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Cookiemonster on Sept 2, 2017 21:19:56 GMT 1, If Banksy never happened then none of us would be here, we wouldn't be sitting in front of our computers on a Saturday responding to another hypothetical scenario!!
Nor was it Basquiat or Haring, that drove the street art scene, more credit should be given Fab 5 Freddy, Rammellzee, Martha Cooper, Rock Steady Crew and few others. In the modern era though Mr B has been the acceptable brand that brought it from the streets, to a civilised artform
If Banksy never happened then none of us would be here, we wouldn't be sitting in front of our computers on a Saturday responding to another hypothetical scenario!!
Nor was it Basquiat or Haring, that drove the street art scene, more credit should be given Fab 5 Freddy, Rammellzee, Martha Cooper, Rock Steady Crew and few others. In the modern era though Mr B has been the acceptable brand that brought it from the streets, to a civilised artform
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Harveyn on Sept 2, 2017 21:23:31 GMT 1, If Banksy didnt happen then none of us would be here, we would be doing something less boring instead!!
IMO you are so wrong.
If Banksy didnt happen then none of us would be here, we would be doing something less boring instead!!
IMO you are so wrong.
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Cookiemonster on Sept 2, 2017 21:31:58 GMT 1, If Banksy didnt happen then none of us would be here, we would be doing something less boring instead!!
IMO you are so wrong.
If Banksy didnt happen then none of us would be here, we would be doing something less boring instead!!
IMO you are so wrong.
so you are saying if Banksy wasnt in your life, you would still be sitting in front of your computer on an urban art forum on a Saturday night? I'm right and you know I am!! |
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Harveyn on Sept 2, 2017 21:41:24 GMT 1, so you are saying if Banksy wasnt in your life, you would still be sitting in front of your computer on an urban art forum on a Saturday night? I'm right and you know I am!!
so you are saying if Banksy wasnt in your life, you would still be sitting in front of your computer on an urban art forum on a Saturday night? I'm right and you know I am!! The beauty of this argument is you can think what you like but I know why I am sitting here on a Saturday night. So for me and I suspect many others your wrong. Factually for me your wrong. |
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by sugar72 on Sept 2, 2017 21:51:19 GMT 1, so you are saying if Banksy wasnt in your life, you would still be sitting in front of your computer on an urban art forum on a Saturday night? I'm right and you know I am!!
Have to disagree with you and agree with Harveyn I'm afraid!
so you are saying if Banksy wasnt in your life, you would still be sitting in front of your computer on an urban art forum on a Saturday night? I'm right and you know I am!! Have to disagree with you and agree with Harveyn I'm afraid! |
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by chevyav53 on Sept 2, 2017 21:56:19 GMT 1, I can't believe people are arguing about something that never happened.  Quality threads are getting hard to find nowadays. Its like the Oozlum bird that flies in ever decreasing circles until it disappears up its own bum.
I can't believe people are arguing about something that never happened. Quality threads are getting hard to find nowadays. Its like the Oozlum bird that flies in ever decreasing circles until it disappears up its own bum. I agree, starting a flat earth thread to improve on quality. Who's in? |
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Deleted on Sept 2, 2017 22:02:04 GMT 1, The first street artist's that first caught my attention were Dface and Herakut, I know strange mix but Banksy came much later for me surprisingly.
Urban Art was always destined to happen, If not Banksy it would have been someone else being the poster boy for Urban Art
The first street artist's that first caught my attention were Dface and Herakut, I know strange mix but Banksy came much later for me surprisingly.
Urban Art was always destined to happen, If not Banksy it would have been someone else being the poster boy for Urban Art
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Cookiemonster on Sept 2, 2017 22:09:31 GMT 1, This forum was born off the back off the old Ebay BANKSY forum, this very forum was previously called thebanksyforum. No one would be on this forum or many others if it wasnt for Banksy - Facto
If anyone says they still would be - then they are living in a different universe. Look at when you HarveyN joined this forum. When did you join the Obey forum or are you a member? Banksy was and still is the draw. Disagree as much as you like, but I am right
This forum was born off the back off the old Ebay BANKSY forum, this very forum was previously called thebanksyforum. No one would be on this forum or many others if it wasnt for Banksy - Facto
If anyone says they still would be - then they are living in a different universe. Look at when you HarveyN joined this forum. When did you join the Obey forum or are you a member? Banksy was and still is the draw. Disagree as much as you like, but I am right
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by sugar72 on Sept 2, 2017 22:11:49 GMT 1, This forum was born off the back off the old Ebay BANKSY forum, this very forum was previously called . No one would be on this forum or many others if it wasnt for Banksy - Facto If anyone says they still would be - then they are living in a different universe. Look at when you HarveyN joined this forum. When did you join the Obey forum or are you a member? Banksy was and still is the draw. Disagree as much as you like, but I am right
You're wrong mate, as far as I'm concerned. I joined way after the old forum turned into this one and came into it following and interested in other artists particularly Faile in my case.
This forum was born off the back off the old Ebay BANKSY forum, this very forum was previously called . No one would be on this forum or many others if it wasnt for Banksy - Facto If anyone says they still would be - then they are living in a different universe. Look at when you HarveyN joined this forum. When did you join the Obey forum or are you a member? Banksy was and still is the draw. Disagree as much as you like, but I am right You're wrong mate, as far as I'm concerned. I joined way after the old forum turned into this one and came into it following and interested in other artists particularly Faile in my case. |
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by chevyav53 on Sept 2, 2017 22:17:35 GMT 1, Sorry two year old cut me off..... of course sarcasm above... don't like the thread go back to watching porn.... please didn't even know Banksy till what the 2000s. In Cali it was Obey and local guys.
Question should be where would Banksy be without the internet?
Sorry two year old cut me off..... of course sarcasm above... don't like the thread go back to watching porn.... please didn't even know Banksy till what the 2000s. In Cali it was Obey and local guys.
Question should be where would Banksy be without the internet?
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by sugar72 on Sept 2, 2017 22:19:30 GMT 1, Continues to amaze me, these amazingly broad sweeping inane generalisations about art, a subject that is so subjective that to make such comments ( for me !) only means that those certain people have a vested interest in that particular artist and that interest being monetary and investment based.
Continues to amaze me, these amazingly broad sweeping inane generalisations about art, a subject that is so subjective that to make such comments ( for me !) only means that those certain people have a vested interest in that particular artist and that interest being monetary and investment based.
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Harveyn on Sept 2, 2017 22:30:09 GMT 1, This forum was born off the back off the old Ebay BANKSY forum, this very forum was previously called . No one would be on this forum or many others if it wasnt for Banksy - Facto If anyone says they still would be - then they are living in a different universe. Look at when you HarveyN joined this forum. When did you join the Obey forum or are you a member? Banksy was and still is the draw. Disagree as much as you like, but I am right Sorry I commented on why I was on this forum not why this forum existed. No matter what you say its impossible for you to know why I am on here on a Saturday night. To suggest you do says way more about you than me. Fact!!!!
I joined the Obey forum in 2008 just about 6 months after this one but I joint Wallkandy before this forum. I joined this forum and Wallkandy because of Dface and Micallef and had not even heard of Banksy. So I know for a FACT I would have sought likeminded people on other platforms if this forum had not existed.
Now have you done telling me why I think and act like I do.
This forum was born off the back off the old Ebay BANKSY forum, this very forum was previously called . No one would be on this forum or many others if it wasnt for Banksy - Facto If anyone says they still would be - then they are living in a different universe. Look at when you HarveyN joined this forum. When did you join the Obey forum or are you a member? Banksy was and still is the draw. Disagree as much as you like, but I am right Sorry I commented on why I was on this forum not why this forum existed. No matter what you say its impossible for you to know why I am on here on a Saturday night. To suggest you do says way more about you than me. Fact!!!!
I joined the Obey forum in 2008 just about 6 months after this one but I joint Wallkandy before this forum. I joined this forum and Wallkandy because of Dface and Micallef and had not even heard of Banksy. So I know for a FACT I would have sought likeminded people on other platforms if this forum had not existed.
Now have you done telling me why I think and act like I do.
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by chy1 on Sept 3, 2017 6:13:46 GMT 1, I like Banksy a lot and I was lucky enough to live in old street back in 99 where he was everywhere but to resume the whole movement to one artist is just ridiculous..
I like Banksy a lot and I was lucky enough to live in old street back in 99 where he was everywhere but to resume the whole movement to one artist is just ridiculous..
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by The Rat King on Sept 3, 2017 9:15:21 GMT 1, Banksy has directly introduced me to a wealth of other art and artists and so much more take dismaland for example. His work opened the door for me and I don't know if I would have discovered so much without him . He has smashed it out the park From day one ; in my eyes he is a god . Just a shame the price of his work has also gone into a different stratosphere !
Banksy has directly introduced me to a wealth of other art and artists and so much more take dismaland for example. His work opened the door for me and I don't know if I would have discovered so much without him . He has smashed it out the park From day one ; in my eyes he is a god . Just a shame the price of his work has also gone into a different stratosphere !
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Yeah Yeah Yeah Round2 on Sept 3, 2017 9:33:41 GMT 1, Some people would have smaller bank balances ; p
Some people would have smaller bank balances ; p
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 11:25:53 GMT 1, Some people would have smaller bank balances ; p
Some people would have bigger bank balances too.
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Harveyn on Sept 3, 2017 11:42:48 GMT 1, Apologies for the, at best over exuberant responses made on this thread last night (especially to thecookiemonster). Everyone of course is entitled to their opinion.
Apologies for the, at best over exuberant responses made on this thread last night (especially to thecookiemonster). Everyone of course is entitled to their opinion.
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by sugar72 on Sept 3, 2017 12:18:25 GMT 1, I didn't think they were over exuberant. Cookie monster I think was on the sauce!
I didn't think they were over exuberant. Cookie monster I think was on the sauce!
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Coach on Sept 3, 2017 12:36:56 GMT 1, Apologies for the, at best over exuberant responses made on this thread last night (especially to thecookiemonster). Everyone of course is entitled to their opinion.
No need H. Made your point politely but with conviction.
Apologies for the, at best over exuberant responses made on this thread last night (especially to thecookiemonster). Everyone of course is entitled to their opinion. No need H. Made your point politely but with conviction. |
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by chy1 on Sept 3, 2017 12:58:45 GMT 1, Apologies for the, at best over exuberant responses made on this thread last night (especially to thecookiemonster). Everyone of course is entitled to their opinion.
No need for it...
Especially when you re right 
Apologies for the, at best over exuberant responses made on this thread last night (especially to thecookiemonster). Everyone of course is entitled to their opinion. No need for it... Especially when you re right |
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Cookiemonster on Sept 3, 2017 13:09:56 GMT 1, no need for apologies, your opinion differs to mine and thats no bad thing. My point is, if Banksy didn't exist, as was the question raised by the op, how would the urban art scene be seen. Irrespective to whoevers name was mentioned as champions of the scene, none of them brought the community/scene together as quickly and as cohesively as Banksy, and that view extends to include this and many other forums.
However I accept that the the street art scene was alive pre Banksy, but the urban art world would that still have existed? maybe, but not as the art movement it is today.
no need for apologies, your opinion differs to mine and thats no bad thing. My point is, if Banksy didn't exist, as was the question raised by the op, how would the urban art scene be seen. Irrespective to whoevers name was mentioned as champions of the scene, none of them brought the community/scene together as quickly and as cohesively as Banksy, and that view extends to include this and many other forums.
However I accept that the the street art scene was alive pre Banksy, but the urban art world would that still have existed? maybe, but not as the art movement it is today.
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 13:37:00 GMT 1, I might be able to keep the kids out of my back garden, cause no one would have stolen my wall There would also be a lot less auctions for said stolen walls.
I might be able to keep the kids out of my back garden, cause no one would have stolen my wall There would also be a lot less auctions for said stolen walls. |
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Hairbland on Sept 3, 2017 16:12:27 GMT 1, I can't believe people are arguing about something that never happened. Quality threads are getting hard to find nowadays. Its like the Oozlum bird that flies in ever decreasing circles until it disappears up its own bum. I agree, starting a flat earth thread to improve on quality. Who's in?
A flat earth thread would be like another Marilyngrenaderainbow print.
I can't believe people are arguing about something that never happened. Quality threads are getting hard to find nowadays. Its like the Oozlum bird that flies in ever decreasing circles until it disappears up its own bum. I agree, starting a flat earth thread to improve on quality. Who's in? A flat earth thread would be like another Marilyngrenaderainbow print. |
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Deleted on Sept 3, 2017 16:41:12 GMT 1, I agree, starting a flat earth thread to improve on quality. Who's in? A flat earth thread would be like another Marilyngrenaderainbow print.
I agree, starting a flat earth thread to improve on quality. Who's in? A flat earth thread would be like another Marilyngrenaderainbow print. Looks like Joe Webb has already provided us with a thread icon, with his 'Flat Earth' print: |
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by mose on Sept 3, 2017 17:37:27 GMT 1, I agree, starting a flat earth thread to improve on quality. Who's in? A flat earth thread would be like another Marilyngrenaderainbow print.
See, I disagree with the premise of these posts that this represents a bad thread.
This thread is a hypothetical, of course, but it does address a core issue in, well, a novel way. That issue is the extent of Banksy's influence in the art world. Is 'urban art' a loose genre whose time had come, or was it the case of Banksy's rising tide lifting all, even unseaworthy, boats?
To me, it also highlights a bit of a split between US and UK urban art scenes while also revealing that many members gravitated to forums like this, not because of Banksy, but via other art exposure.
To me, all this is quality and the type of thing I like to see continue.
I agree, starting a flat earth thread to improve on quality. Who's in? A flat earth thread would be like another Marilyngrenaderainbow print. See, I disagree with the premise of these posts that this represents a bad thread. This thread is a hypothetical, of course, but it does address a core issue in, well, a novel way. That issue is the extent of Banksy's influence in the art world. Is 'urban art' a loose genre whose time had come, or was it the case of Banksy's rising tide lifting all, even unseaworthy, boats? To me, it also highlights a bit of a split between US and UK urban art scenes while also revealing that many members gravitated to forums like this, not because of Banksy, but via other art exposure. To me, all this is quality and the type of thing I like to see continue. |
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What if..........Banksy had never happened, by Vroom & Varossieau on Sept 27, 2017 9:12:59 GMT 1, Don't forget about Dondi White, Kenny Sharf, SEEN, Lee Quinones, and Haring and Richard Hambleton!
All these artists were all ready in collections of really big collectors in the early 80's
In fact there's still a long road to go for Banksy to even get the eyeballs of such collectors.
For example Richard Hambleton is one of those real godfathers of the street art scene.
Watch him..
Don't forget about Dondi White, Kenny Sharf, SEEN, Lee Quinones, and Haring and Richard Hambleton! All these artists were all ready in collections of really big collectors in the early 80's In fact there's still a long road to go for Banksy to even get the eyeballs of such collectors. For example Richard Hambleton is one of those real godfathers of the street art scene. Watch him.. |
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