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Invader Prisoners Print, by cizza19 on Feb 22, 2018 16:12:15 GMT 1, been following this since the start - of course the buyers overpaid, just look at the title of the thread, they were lead to believe they were buying prints that Invader had endorsed the production of, which is clearly not the case - these have no resale value (unless the reseller misleads any future buyer) and are worth as much as they cost to print
been following this since the start - of course the buyers overpaid, just look at the title of the thread, they were lead to believe they were buying prints that Invader had endorsed the production of, which is clearly not the case - these have no resale value (unless the reseller misleads any future buyer) and are worth as much as they cost to print
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Invader Prisoners Print, by tab1 on Feb 22, 2018 16:35:15 GMT 1, Worth £100 -200?
Worth £100 -200?
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Invader Prisoners Print, by Nuno on Feb 22, 2018 16:49:28 GMT 1, Lets face it, these things are basically worth zero now as no one in their right mind would ever touch them.
Isn’t she saying above that they are approved by the invader team and are as described?!
Lets face it, these things are basically worth zero now as no one in their right mind would ever touch them. Isn’t she saying above that they are approved by the invader team and are as described?! |
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Invader Prisoners Print, by Happy Shopper on Feb 22, 2018 16:53:02 GMT 1, Lets face it, these things are basically worth zero now as no one in their right mind would ever touch them. Isn’t she saying above that they are approved by the invader team and are as described?!
There's seems to be a difference of opinion between her and Invader.
Although I notice she talks about an agreement to give away, then sell, some unsigned copies.
But that seems to me to have morphed into an "unsigned edition of 250".
Maybe that's the issue, but only Invader can tell us!
Lets face it, these things are basically worth zero now as no one in their right mind would ever touch them. Isn’t she saying above that they are approved by the invader team and are as described?! There's seems to be a difference of opinion between her and Invader. Although I notice she talks about an agreement to give away, then sell, some unsigned copies. But that seems to me to have morphed into an "unsigned edition of 250". Maybe that's the issue, but only Invader can tell us! |
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Invader Prisoners Print, by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 17:03:09 GMT 1, Theyre either a legitimate authourised invader, unsigned edition 250 or not. If the Orbi/invader message is real it would appear theyre not. Contact Orbi directly and you get the answer. Its ultimately down to the artist.
Theyre either a legitimate authourised invader, unsigned edition 250 or not. If the Orbi/invader message is real it would appear theyre not. Contact Orbi directly and you get the answer. Its ultimately down to the artist.
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Invader Prisoners Print, by GMA on Feb 22, 2018 17:11:02 GMT 1, Sorry to hear of all this happening, on both parts. I hope everyone gets their issues resolved. I'd have thought when an artist releases a print through a gallery/independent that some form of signed contract or release would be given?
At least this would prevent anyone from forgetting what they've said signed off on. Any good luck all involved. It's still a great looking print!
Sorry to hear of all this happening, on both parts. I hope everyone gets their issues resolved. I'd have thought when an artist releases a print through a gallery/independent that some form of signed contract or release would be given?
At least this would prevent anyone from forgetting what they've said signed off on. Any good luck all involved. It's still a great looking print!
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Invader Prisoners Print, by iamzero on Feb 22, 2018 17:20:28 GMT 1, So to clear things up a little. Is the general feeling that if Invader clarifies that he authorised this then they are worth the £1250 being asked and if he no then they are effectively worthless?
So to clear things up a little. Is the general feeling that if Invader clarifies that he authorised this then they are worth the £1250 being asked and if he no then they are effectively worthless?
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Invader Prisoners Print, by rosac on Feb 22, 2018 17:32:33 GMT 1, So to clear things up a little. Is the general feeling that if Invader clarifies that he authorised this then they are worth the £1250 being asked and if he no then they are effectively worthless?
So to clear things up a little. Is the general feeling that if Invader clarifies that he authorised this then they are worth the £1250 being asked and if he no then they are effectively worthless? not worthless id pay £100 |
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Invader Prisoners Print, by rosac on Feb 22, 2018 17:33:43 GMT 1, edit.. £50
edit.. £50
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Invader Prisoners Print, by met on Feb 22, 2018 18:48:49 GMT 1, Hi to all you lovely folk on this forum. Sorry we have not been able to respond but we don't have an account on the forum. We are truly saddened to see all of these responses on here especially as we had a really good relationship with everyone when we made State of Play and decided at the time to sell these leftover prints to raise money for our Eco awareness projects and initiative. Just to clarify. The unsigned edition from Space Invader was released at the same time as the signed edition but only available at our very first launch party which wasn't advertised on the forum back then - as they were unsigned Giclee prints and not worth that much back then. After doing State of Play magazine for a few years, which so many people loved & supported. We stopped doing it as it was so much hard work (while working full time) and for very little money. Luckily enough I moved into working on creating awareness of environment issues, which I loved and feel is really important in this day and age. When I moved into a new place in late 2016 - I finally got all my belongings out of storage which had been in there since 2009, which was a really nice feeling. So discovered & remembered I had all these prints left over from their editions, not just Invader, but also Gee Vaucher, Lora Zombie, Cartrain, Aiko and many others - lots of people who have now grown in popularity 10 years later. So I spoke to the Invader team in 2016 and mentioned that I would be selling some of my remaining signed & unsigned prints at some point - which they were fine with. So I sold some of the signed ones first & a couple of the APs and then thought it would be really nice to sell some of the remaining unsigned prints from the party - seeing as Space Invaders prints increased so much in 2016. I thought this would be a really nice opportunity for someone to own an affordable invader as it were and to raise some money for the new Eco initiative - which all the Space Invader team support. After speaking to lots of people and quite a few established galleries they thought the unsigned ones were at least worth £1500-2k back then - so when we sold them through CAT at that time they agreed to see what everyone was willing to pay as no one wanted to charge too much for them. So CAT sold those 20 unsigned prints for £1250 each. Which ofcourse is not exactly affordable but way more affordable then all the other Space Invader prints out there from 10 years ago. It is funny how back in September when these were sold everyone was happy with them and happy to buy them and now after receiving a few messages over Instagram myself from someone complaining that they are fake but still wanted to buy one but only for a couple of hundred pounds. When I didn't agree, it seems that he took out his frustration & anger on the forum the next day and started a massive rumour which has now turned into all this talk and people wanting to get refunds. It is funny how everyone is believing some guy who has only been a member since Feb 2018 and obviously is just on the forum to cause trouble. Anyway, if anyone bought one from CAT and would like any clarification of the authenticity they can DM me Tia on Instagram @legoodsociety with their details & number and I will call them back and talk to them about this situation. And if they still wish to have a refund, everyone involved will happily refund anyone. Also if anyone is worried that they may have actually bought a fake one - I can also check the authenticity of the print. Seeing as how I have seen actual fake versions of the signed edition online and even someone selling an edition of 50 of the signed ones we originally did. It is funny how no one has questioned the authenticity of the signed ones that have been sold for years but now wants to question the authenticity of prints that were actually made with Space Invader and State of Play and are were being sold on by the people behind State of Play and not some random people who no one knows who they are and have only just joined the forum etc etc I hope this helps to clarify this issue for now. Thanks Thanks so much Tia Grazette ------ Creative Director www.tiagrazette.com
Thank you for posting. The above by Tia Grazette is helpful background information.
But what is most needed is that she directly address the key issue:
Did Invader explicitly authorise the printing and release of an unsigned edition of 250 of Prisoners?
___________
For the benefit of all parties including yourself, it's worth insisting upon an unequivocal answer from Grazette. Clarity from her is required because the exchanges with Orbi posted by pascal1 in this post and by djtoine in this post indicate the edition of 250 was not authorised by Invader.
The comments below from Orbi seem categoric:
"Invader did 100 signed copies of this print with State of Play back in the days but he has never agreed for them to release an unsigned edition of 250 copies of the same print and he is not implicated in this new printing [...]"
"Cela dépend de ce que vous appelez légitime mais globalement je dirais non.
C’est le même éditeur (State of Play) que pour le print original, le même design mais ce tirage a été réalisé et est vendu sans l’accord d’Invader."
If we assume this correspondence is genuine, then I can only think of three possibilities:
1. Orbi is deliberately lying or misrepresenting the facts.
2. Orbi is simply mistaken, due to having been misinformed or a poor memory of events.
3. The printing and release of an unsigned edition of 250 of Prisoners never received Invader's express consent.
Hi to all you lovely folk on this forum. Sorry we have not been able to respond but we don't have an account on the forum. We are truly saddened to see all of these responses on here especially as we had a really good relationship with everyone when we made State of Play and decided at the time to sell these leftover prints to raise money for our Eco awareness projects and initiative. Just to clarify. The unsigned edition from Space Invader was released at the same time as the signed edition but only available at our very first launch party which wasn't advertised on the forum back then - as they were unsigned Giclee prints and not worth that much back then. After doing State of Play magazine for a few years, which so many people loved & supported. We stopped doing it as it was so much hard work (while working full time) and for very little money. Luckily enough I moved into working on creating awareness of environment issues, which I loved and feel is really important in this day and age. When I moved into a new place in late 2016 - I finally got all my belongings out of storage which had been in there since 2009, which was a really nice feeling. So discovered & remembered I had all these prints left over from their editions, not just Invader, but also Gee Vaucher, Lora Zombie, Cartrain, Aiko and many others - lots of people who have now grown in popularity 10 years later. So I spoke to the Invader team in 2016 and mentioned that I would be selling some of my remaining signed & unsigned prints at some point - which they were fine with. So I sold some of the signed ones first & a couple of the APs and then thought it would be really nice to sell some of the remaining unsigned prints from the party - seeing as Space Invaders prints increased so much in 2016. I thought this would be a really nice opportunity for someone to own an affordable invader as it were and to raise some money for the new Eco initiative - which all the Space Invader team support. After speaking to lots of people and quite a few established galleries they thought the unsigned ones were at least worth £1500-2k back then - so when we sold them through CAT at that time they agreed to see what everyone was willing to pay as no one wanted to charge too much for them. So CAT sold those 20 unsigned prints for £1250 each. Which ofcourse is not exactly affordable but way more affordable then all the other Space Invader prints out there from 10 years ago. It is funny how back in September when these were sold everyone was happy with them and happy to buy them and now after receiving a few messages over Instagram myself from someone complaining that they are fake but still wanted to buy one but only for a couple of hundred pounds. When I didn't agree, it seems that he took out his frustration & anger on the forum the next day and started a massive rumour which has now turned into all this talk and people wanting to get refunds. It is funny how everyone is believing some guy who has only been a member since Feb 2018 and obviously is just on the forum to cause trouble. Anyway, if anyone bought one from CAT and would like any clarification of the authenticity they can DM me Tia on Instagram @legoodsociety with their details & number and I will call them back and talk to them about this situation. And if they still wish to have a refund, everyone involved will happily refund anyone. Also if anyone is worried that they may have actually bought a fake one - I can also check the authenticity of the print. Seeing as how I have seen actual fake versions of the signed edition online and even someone selling an edition of 50 of the signed ones we originally did. It is funny how no one has questioned the authenticity of the signed ones that have been sold for years but now wants to question the authenticity of prints that were actually made with Space Invader and State of Play and are were being sold on by the people behind State of Play and not some random people who no one knows who they are and have only just joined the forum etc etc I hope this helps to clarify this issue for now. Thanks Thanks so much Tia Grazette ------ Creative Director www.tiagrazette.comThank you for posting. The above by Tia Grazette is helpful background information. But what is most needed is that she directly address the key issue: Did Invader explicitly authorise the printing and release of an unsigned edition of 250 of Prisoners?___________ For the benefit of all parties including yourself, it's worth insisting upon an unequivocal answer from Grazette. Clarity from her is required because the exchanges with Orbi posted by pascal1 in this post and by djtoine in this post indicate the edition of 250 was not authorised by Invader. The comments below from Orbi seem categoric: "Invader did 100 signed copies of this print with State of Play back in the days but he has never agreed for them to release an unsigned edition of 250 copies of the same print and he is not implicated in this new printing [...]"
"Cela dépend de ce que vous appelez légitime mais globalement je dirais non.
C’est le même éditeur (State of Play) que pour le print original, le même design mais ce tirage a été réalisé et est vendu sans l’accord d’Invader."If we assume this correspondence is genuine, then I can only think of three possibilities: 1. Orbi is deliberately lying or misrepresenting the facts. 2. Orbi is simply mistaken, due to having been misinformed or a poor memory of events. 3. The printing and release of an unsigned edition of 250 of Prisoners never received In vader's express consent. |
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Invader Prisoners Print, by Wisconinla on Feb 22, 2018 18:53:04 GMT 1, The refund is a nice offer, would the cost of framing also be reimbursed?
The refund is a nice offer, would the cost of framing also be reimbursed?
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Invader Prisoners Print, by Foolsgold on Feb 22, 2018 19:10:01 GMT 1, Ok, so I was slightly worried prior to buying my copy, but I spoke to CAT and they reassured me that these were the real deal.
I then saw a gew comments in this thread that doubted the prints authenticity so I emailed Orbi....
On 27 Nov 2017 13:53, "spaceshop@space-invaders.com" <spaceshop@space-invaders.com> wrote:
Hi Steve,
Well, what I can tell you is that it is an unsigned print of a design Invader created years ago for State of Play.
You have a COA from the editor (State of Play) so I guess it is legit.
Kind regards,
Orbi
> Le 25 nov. 2017 à 13:12, Steve Jenkins <its.stevejenkins@googlemail.com> a écrit :
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> Hi there Mr Invader I hope you can help me out please?
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> Basically I have bought an unsigned giclee print of "Prisoners" from a gallery and I wanted to confirm that is really one of yours and I havent bought a fake.
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> Its from a 2007 edition of 250 with a "COA" from State Of Play magazine, I have attached it for you.
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> I have been a fan of yours for some time and this I thought was a great opportunity to get a great print of yours as I have been unable to get the last few releases.
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> Please let me know if it is legit.
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> Kind regards,
> Steve
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As I understand it, Orbi is basically Invader or a spokesperson for him and he says its legit.
Ok, so I was slightly worried prior to buying my copy, but I spoke to CAT and they reassured me that these were the real deal.
I then saw a gew comments in this thread that doubted the prints authenticity so I emailed Orbi....
On 27 Nov 2017 13:53, "spaceshop@space-invaders.com" <spaceshop@space-invaders.com> wrote:
Hi Steve,
Well, what I can tell you is that it is an unsigned print of a design Invader created years ago for State of Play.
You have a COA from the editor (State of Play) so I guess it is legit.
Kind regards,
Orbi
> Le 25 nov. 2017 à 13:12, Steve Jenkins <its.stevejenkins@googlemail.com> a écrit :
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> Hi there Mr Invader I hope you can help me out please?
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> Basically I have bought an unsigned giclee print of "Prisoners" from a gallery and I wanted to confirm that is really one of yours and I havent bought a fake.
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> Its from a 2007 edition of 250 with a "COA" from State Of Play magazine, I have attached it for you.
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> I have been a fan of yours for some time and this I thought was a great opportunity to get a great print of yours as I have been unable to get the last few releases.
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> Please let me know if it is legit.
>
> Kind regards,
> Steve
>
As I understand it, Orbi is basically Invader or a spokesperson for him and he says its legit.
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Invader Prisoners Print, by woodman on Feb 22, 2018 19:12:29 GMT 1, If these are sent back and refunded, what will happen to the prints then? I have spent a fair chunk on framing myself but would happily keep it as a "backdoor print" and pay for what that is worth, if that is what they will actually be classed as?
If these are sent back and refunded, what will happen to the prints then? I have spent a fair chunk on framing myself but would happily keep it as a "backdoor print" and pay for what that is worth, if that is what they will actually be classed as?
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Invader Prisoners Print, by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 19:16:21 GMT 1, Thank you Fools Gold !!
And a statement to come ..
I have been saying this all along These ARE legit !!
Thank you Fools Gold !!
And a statement to come ..
I have been saying this all along These ARE legit !!
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Invader Prisoners Print, by woodman on Feb 22, 2018 19:17:19 GMT 1, So Orbi guesses it's legit:
You have a COA from the editor (State of Play) so I guess it is legit.
Yet if we believe what Pascal1 has put on here he says
"if you like the image and it is cheap, you should buy it but don't buy it to own a legit Invader.
So Orbi guesses it's legit:
You have a COA from the editor (State of Play) so I guess it is legit.
Yet if we believe what Pascal1 has put on here he says
"if you like the image and it is cheap, you should buy it but don't buy it to own a legit Invader.
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Invader Prisoners Print, by iamzero on Feb 22, 2018 19:18:12 GMT 1, Could it be that due to the fact there are counterfeit copies of this print floating around that Orbi/ Invader have refused to endorse anything... for now. Perhaps when they can see they’re being sold from Tia then they will say all is good?
Could it be that due to the fact there are counterfeit copies of this print floating around that Orbi/ Invader have refused to endorse anything... for now. Perhaps when they can see they’re being sold from Tia then they will say all is good?
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Invader Prisoners Print, by cizza19 on Feb 22, 2018 22:53:58 GMT 1, That reply wouldnt personally reassure me, perhaps I am interpreting it wrong, but it seems to me to say invader created this design for them to create the run of prints he signed, if they've printed unsigned ones then they are "legit" from the same print source ie the same file that the signed run is from. Doesn't sound to me based on his wording that it is an Invader authorised run of prints though
Like describing the Bristol museum Banksy print as "it is a print of a statue banksy donated to the Bristol museum"
That reply wouldnt personally reassure me, perhaps I am interpreting it wrong, but it seems to me to say invader created this design for them to create the run of prints he signed, if they've printed unsigned ones then they are "legit" from the same print source ie the same file that the signed run is from. Doesn't sound to me based on his wording that it is an Invader authorised run of prints though
Like describing the Bristol museum Banksy print as "it is a print of a statue banksy donated to the Bristol museum"
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Invader Prisoners Print, by hedges on Feb 22, 2018 23:02:10 GMT 1, Seems as if the artist says no as in the translation he says it’s basically the same as IKEA mimicking design classics. Simples.
Google translate helps if you’re lost 🤨
Seems as if the artist says no as in the translation he says it’s basically the same as IKEA mimicking design classics. Simples.
Google translate helps if you’re lost 🤨
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Invader Prisoners Print, by Foolsgold on Feb 22, 2018 23:46:09 GMT 1, So Orbi guesses it's legit: You have a COA from the editor (State of Play) so I guess it is legit.Yet if we believe what Pascal1 has put on here he says "if you like the image and it is cheap, you should buy it but don't buy it to own a legit Invader.
If it was a fake It would have been far easier for Orbi to say "ITS A FAKE", he guesses its legit....its a figure of speech....no mention of fake or it might be fake anywhere.
So Orbi guesses it's legit: You have a COA from the editor (State of Play) so I guess it is legit.Yet if we believe what Pascal1 has put on here he says "if you like the image and it is cheap, you should buy it but don't buy it to own a legit Invader.If it was a fake It would have been far easier for Orbi to say "ITS A FAKE", he guesses its legit....its a figure of speech....no mention of fake or it might be fake anywhere. |
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Invader Prisoners Print, by cizza19 on Feb 22, 2018 23:51:22 GMT 1, So Orbi guesses it's legit: You have a COA from the editor (State of Play) so I guess it is legit.Yet if we believe what Pascal1 has put on here he says "if you like the image and it is cheap, you should buy it but don't buy it to own a legit Invader.If it was a fake It would have been far easier for Orbi to say "ITS A FAKE", he guesses its legit....its a figure of speech....no mention of fake or it might be fake anywhere.
It's his prior sentence that makes it seem like an unauthorised print though. "It is a print of a design invader made for state of play"
So Orbi guesses it's legit: You have a COA from the editor (State of Play) so I guess it is legit.Yet if we believe what Pascal1 has put on here he says "if you like the image and it is cheap, you should buy it but don't buy it to own a legit Invader.If it was a fake It would have been far easier for Orbi to say "ITS A FAKE", he guesses its legit....its a figure of speech....no mention of fake or it might be fake anywhere. It's his prior sentence that makes it seem like an unauthorised print though. "It is a print of a design invader made for state of play" |
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Invader Prisoners Print, by wottagunn on Feb 22, 2018 23:54:23 GMT 1, I would not be satisfied with that reply.
Really... "I guess it's legit"?!
You would think this would be pretty straightforward.
I'm sorry for all those involved in this mess.
I would not be satisfied with that reply.
Really... "I guess it's legit"?!
You would think this would be pretty straightforward.
I'm sorry for all those involved in this mess.
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Invader Prisoners Print, by tab1 on Feb 23, 2018 2:59:16 GMT 1, Really need the artist to comment on this of some sort otherwise no way near the figures bought for will this achieve if invader continues to be popular and stay with the high prices when sold on.
It was not meant as an edition ? Just spares or the original signed edition was made smaller ?
Effectively a backdoor print that sells for more than a banksy backdoor print at the moment .
Really need the artist to comment on this of some sort otherwise no way near the figures bought for will this achieve if invader continues to be popular and stay with the high prices when sold on.
It was not meant as an edition ? Just spares or the original signed edition was made smaller ?
Effectively a backdoor print that sells for more than a banksy backdoor print at the moment .
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Invader Prisoners Print, by blerd on Feb 23, 2018 9:28:14 GMT 1, While its undeniably a mess, there seems to be a lot of people shouting "fight, fight" like at school & shitstirring.
While its undeniably a mess, there seems to be a lot of people shouting "fight, fight" like at school & shitstirring.
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Invader Prisoners Print, by Reader on Feb 23, 2018 9:33:41 GMT 1, Here's how it works, and I've printed with everyone from Sandra Chevrier to Dolk, Eine, Henrik Uldalen , Martha Cooper to Blek and all in-between. You have a project, a charity event, magazine launch, exhibition, whatever. You ask the artist if they'll do a print with you. If they're not particularly famous, it's pretty straightforward. Rarely are contracts made, relying on trust, and email chain and spoken agreements. You agree 100 signed, 200 unsigned. You print all 300, plus extras, say around 20 or 30 or so. Artists signs the 100, signs a few Ap's/PP's etc, the rest are stuck on the shelf. At some point, there's an agreement to not release the unsigned, and the unsigned are then scrapped. At this point it would be normal to destroy these extras- but that somehow feels wrong, the artist isn't around, it's not that big a deal, they're not really worth anything, (but at the back of your mind you think, yeah but what if ) so you pack them up and stick them on a shelf and forget about them. Years later, the artist blows up, prices increase until, wow, you can't believe it. You know the artist won't now consent, you should have binned these, but.. fuck. They're worth a small fortune. So you sneak behind the artists back, sell one or two on ebay, drop one or two on forums, sell a few to lower tier galleries.. wow, made 7k already. Then you list them here and it blows up, over a 100 DM's, great, it's official.. let's put them all through the gallery/company I now have and offload them quickly instead of drip, drip, drip...Yes, they were official, yes they're kind of "Invaders", yes your unethical and ripping everyone off. Worth 50 quid or so at best.
Here's how it works, and I've printed with everyone from Sandra Chevrier to Dolk, Eine, Henrik Uldalen , Martha Cooper to Blek and all in-between. You have a project, a charity event, magazine launch, exhibition, whatever. You ask the artist if they'll do a print with you. If they're not particularly famous, it's pretty straightforward. Rarely are contracts made, relying on trust, and email chain and spoken agreements. You agree 100 signed, 200 unsigned. You print all 300, plus extras, say around 20 or 30 or so. Artists signs the 100, signs a few Ap's/PP's etc, the rest are stuck on the shelf. At some point, there's an agreement to not release the unsigned, and the unsigned are then scrapped. At this point it would be normal to destroy these extras- but that somehow feels wrong, the artist isn't around, it's not that big a deal, they're not really worth anything, (but at the back of your mind you think, yeah but what if ) so you pack them up and stick them on a shelf and forget about them. Years later, the artist blows up, prices increase until, wow, you can't believe it. You know the artist won't now consent, you should have binned these, but.. fuck. They're worth a small fortune. So you sneak behind the artists back, sell one or two on ebay, drop one or two on forums, sell a few to lower tier galleries.. wow, made 7k already. Then you list them here and it blows up, over a 100 DM's, great, it's official.. let's put them all through the gallery/company I now have and offload them quickly instead of drip, drip, drip...Yes, they were official, yes they're kind of "Invaders", yes your unethical and ripping everyone off. Worth 50 quid or so at best.
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whob1
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Invader Prisoners Print, by whob1 on Feb 23, 2018 11:25:26 GMT 1, "You agree 100 signed, 200 unsigned. You print all 300, plus extras, say around 20 or 30 or so. Artists signs the 100, signs a few Ap's/PP's etc, the rest are stuck on the shelf. At some point, there's an agreement to not release the unsigned.."
Im not sure your conclusion "worth 50 quid or so at best" can be drawn from this. You speak in general based on your experience, but we dont know what has happened here. This is totally up to what State of Play and Orbi/Invader can prove on agreements. Any written documentation will help them in their favor. If they agreed to print "300", but Invader cant prove that the unsigned was never meant to be released, I guess he/his team screwed up.
"You agree 100 signed, 200 unsigned. You print all 300, plus extras, say around 20 or 30 or so. Artists signs the 100, signs a few Ap's/PP's etc, the rest are stuck on the shelf. At some point, there's an agreement to not release the unsigned.."
Im not sure your conclusion "worth 50 quid or so at best" can be drawn from this. You speak in general based on your experience, but we dont know what has happened here. This is totally up to what State of Play and Orbi/Invader can prove on agreements. Any written documentation will help them in their favor. If they agreed to print "300", but Invader cant prove that the unsigned was never meant to be released, I guess he/his team screwed up.
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Invader Prisoners Print, by woodman on Feb 23, 2018 11:45:53 GMT 1, So Orbi guesses it's legit: You have a COA from the editor (State of Play) so I guess it is legit.Yet if we believe what Pascal1 has put on here he says "if you like the image and it is cheap, you should buy it but don't buy it to own a legit Invader.If it was a fake It would have been far easier for Orbi to say "ITS A FAKE", he guesses its legit....its a figure of speech....no mention of fake or it might be fake anywhere.
I am not saying it is a fake, what I am saying is if Pascal is to be believed (which I see no reason why come on and say what he has if it's easily proved otherwise), then why would Orbi say "if you like the image and it is cheap, you should buy it but don't buy it to own a legit Invader".
To me, he is classing it as a backdoor print - which is not what people on here thought they were buying.
So Orbi guesses it's legit: You have a COA from the editor (State of Play) so I guess it is legit.Yet if we believe what Pascal1 has put on here he says "if you like the image and it is cheap, you should buy it but don't buy it to own a legit Invader.If it was a fake It would have been far easier for Orbi to say "ITS A FAKE", he guesses its legit....its a figure of speech....no mention of fake or it might be fake anywhere. I am not saying it is a fake, what I am saying is if Pascal is to be believed (which I see no reason why come on and say what he has if it's easily proved otherwise), then why would Orbi say "if you like the image and it is cheap, you should buy it but don't buy it to own a legit Invader".To me, he is classing it as a backdoor print - which is not what people on here thought they were buying. |
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Invader Prisoners Print, by chrispa on Feb 23, 2018 11:57:28 GMT 1, Of course..Orbi could be more than 1 person, each with a slightly different take on this
Of course..Orbi could be more than 1 person, each with a slightly different take on this
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Invader Prisoners Print, by Cookiemonster on Feb 23, 2018 12:08:34 GMT 1, These were sold and described as "Invader Prisoner Print" as stated both in your e-mail and Invoice. If it turns out that State of Play was not authorised by Invader to print these "Invader Prisoner Prints", they are not "Invader Prisoner Prints", they are unauthorised reproductions of Art, a.k.a. counterfeit. So if that was the case, buyers would have every right to take legal action Will leave it at that for now, as this forum is not the appropriate place to take action if it turns out to be warranted. Matt i would suggest that you maybe contradicting yourself? they cannot be counterfeit if they were printed and published by the original publisher at the time to be given away free with their magazine as was the case..and supported with a stamped COA from the Publisher...signed and numbered by the Director, this clearly shows that the prints cannot be fake as you suggest...I agree with you this forum is not the place for action...i have contacted Tia Grazzette the then Publisher and Director of State of Play magazine and asked for her comments..and state again that if these prints are indeed proved to be 'FAKE' beyond all reasonable doubt then i shall issue a full refund to all involved...i can do no more for now..than apologise if this is the case.
These were sold and described as "Invader Prisoner Print" as stated both in your e-mail and Invoice. If it turns out that State of Play was not authorised by Invader to print these "Invader Prisoner Prints", they are not "Invader Prisoner Prints", they are unauthorised reproductions of Art, a.k.a. counterfeit. So if that was the case, buyers would have every right to take legal action Will leave it at that for now, as this forum is not the appropriate place to take action if it turns out to be warranted. Matt i would suggest that you maybe contradicting yourself? they cannot be counterfeit if they were printed and published by the original publisher at the time to be given away free with their magazine as was the case..and supported with a stamped COA from the Publisher...signed and numbered by the Director, this clearly shows that the prints cannot be fake as you suggest...I agree with you this forum is not the place for action...i have contacted Tia Grazzette the then Publisher and Director of State of Play magazine and asked for her comments..and state again that if these prints are indeed proved to be 'FAKE' beyond all reasonable doubt then i shall issue a full refund to all involved...i can do no more for now..than apologise if this is the case. Anyone who has bought one, especially here in the UK, can ask for a full refund within 14 days of purchase, under the Distance Selling Act. Irrespective to them being a "fake" or not. No retailer has the right to withhold any monies if a refund has been requested during this period. |
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