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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 8:28:21 GMT 1, The initial production set up in the uk , by releasing merchandise this was to kickstart guests as previously hotel numbers were declining , this has now worked increasing bookings , To drive down production costs (uk wage) and exporting costs , now made in house. If they increased print cost at source wouldn’t attract as many to travel there . Further down the line will be difference in value as of all variations .
Makes sense
send the prints/posters/OGs/Lithos/Giclees/Photocopies flat in reams to the hotel or assembly area
Source frames locally
Source rocks/ wall/concrete mix/lightweight block/ Apartheid wall/ sand and cement locally and send to hotel or assembly area
I like it
The initial production set up in the uk , by releasing merchandise this was to kickstart guests as previously hotel numbers were declining , this has now worked increasing bookings , To drive down production costs (uk wage) and exporting costs , now made in house. If they increased print cost at source wouldn’t attract as many to travel there . Further down the line will be difference in value as of all variations . Makes sense send the prints/posters/OGs/Lithos/Giclees/Photocopies flat in reams to the hotel or assembly area Source frames locally Source rocks/ wall/concrete mix/lightweight block/ Apartheid wall/ sand and cement locally and send to hotel or assembly area I like it |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Carl Cashman on Oct 12, 2017 8:28:23 GMT 1, If you really think the 'first edition' are worth more... pop down to ikea for a £3 ikea frame. Unless they are using finger print technology, it would be impossible to use the markings as a numbering method
Just go and take in the area and culture, the boxset will be a reminder of a life changing eperience.
If you really think the 'first edition' are worth more... pop down to ikea for a £3 ikea frame. Unless they are using finger print technology, it would be impossible to use the markings as a numbering method
Just go and take in the area and culture, the boxset will be a reminder of a life changing eperience.
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 8:33:09 GMT 1, If I can just add a few thoughts to this thread 1. This is a giclee print on Somerset satin or similar paper 2. It's limited as otherwise they would continue printing and selling for ever 3. They sell Maximum 20 a day they started selling on the 07/09/17 and stopped on 10/10/17 that's 34 days so the MAXIMUM number there can be is 680 I know for a fact on some days they were only selling 10 then you have to take into account the fact that most people stay a few nights so they already have one and can't buy another. I think a fair average would be to say they have sold 10 a day everyday that's a total of 340 in the original version. 4. The original wording was very deliberate "an ACTUAL chiseled off piece of wall" that's not a typo to use the word actual in that context is pointing out this is a piece of actual wall, what wall? We don't know. They now say "a chunk of concrete" that's very different wording and leaves me in no doubt the product has changed. 5.The reason for the paint on the wall piece is for identification at a later date its as good as a number pest have photographed each one and obviously each one is unique 6.Pest WILL issue COA for these in the future they are Banksy prints not posters these are £125 not £5 7.These were being made in the UK and shipped to the hotel so I don't understand the reason of ikea being out of stock for the change as I know 100% there is plenty of stock in the uk . Also if you believe these were made on site that would mean Banksy going into Israel and buying goods from an Israel ikea? It doesn't really fit with the message of the piece. That leaves one explanation making these at the studio in the uk and shipping to isreal was taking too long and too much hassle to do. Imagine how long it takes to shape each stone paint them wait for paint to dry fit the print etc. so production has moved to Palestine with the same local artists who decorated the wall sculptures used to shape the concrete and put them together. That's why they have to change the frames as they will not spend money in an isreal ikea. 8. so then that poses a question which ones will be rarer? In my opinion it's easy the original version why? It has an actual piece of wall it's made at Banksy studio under his supervision. It also has now been discontinued from sell so what's out there in that version is all there ever will be. I said earlier we can assume a figure of 340 but my personal guess is that there are no more than 200 in the ikea frames out there. So anyone with a pre 10/10/2017 receipt in my view will have the best and rarest piece. I also feel now production has switched to Palestine they will produce far greater numbers for a much longer period of time unless you think the new version will only be on sale for 34 days or less? 9. I cannot believe people are even considering selling these for 2k this is an official Banksy print with in comparison to other prints a very low print run. 10. These aren't just Banksy prints I think people are missing the point this is a mixed media Banky print/sculpture a print comes on its own. This comes presented in the way Banksy intended it in the frame with a piece of wall used in the composition. How many other mixed media works like this can you point to that Banksy has released? In fact how many of you own Banksy prints? And how many own mixed media works? 11. And finally a thought experiment let's assume that what I've said was correct ie 1: it's an addition of 200 2: it's a mixed media piece 3: pest issue a COA What value in 1 year from now would you put on it?
I like this, lots of thought
I dont agree with much of it, but all we have are opinions, heresy, guesswork, finger in the air job
To me its a keepsake, can't see myself ever selling, maybe the grandkids when they come to sell will say
"Grandad, what a lying old fucker, he said this bit of rock on the wall would be worth something, and kept telling us not to bin it when he pegged it".
or maybe they will raise a glass
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If I can just add a few thoughts to this thread 1. This is a giclee print on Somerset satin or similar paper 2. It's limited as otherwise they would continue printing and selling for ever 3. They sell Maximum 20 a day they started selling on the 07/09/17 and stopped on 10/10/17 that's 34 days so the MAXIMUM number there can be is 680 I know for a fact on some days they were only selling 10 then you have to take into account the fact that most people stay a few nights so they already have one and can't buy another. I think a fair average would be to say they have sold 10 a day everyday that's a total of 340 in the original version. 4. The original wording was very deliberate "an ACTUAL chiseled off piece of wall" that's not a typo to use the word actual in that context is pointing out this is a piece of actual wall, what wall? We don't know. They now say "a chunk of concrete" that's very different wording and leaves me in no doubt the product has changed. 5.The reason for the paint on the wall piece is for identification at a later date its as good as a number pest have photographed each one and obviously each one is unique 6.Pest WILL issue COA for these in the future they are Banksy prints not posters these are £125 not £5 7.These were being made in the UK and shipped to the hotel so I don't understand the reason of ikea being out of stock for the change as I know 100% there is plenty of stock in the uk . Also if you believe these were made on site that would mean Banksy going into Israel and buying goods from an Israel ikea? It doesn't really fit with the message of the piece. That leaves one explanation making these at the studio in the uk and shipping to isreal was taking too long and too much hassle to do. Imagine how long it takes to shape each stone paint them wait for paint to dry fit the print etc. so production has moved to Palestine with the same local artists who decorated the wall sculptures used to shape the concrete and put them together. That's why they have to change the frames as they will not spend money in an isreal ikea. 8. so then that poses a question which ones will be rarer? In my opinion it's easy the original version why? It has an actual piece of wall it's made at Banksy studio under his supervision. It also has now been discontinued from sell so what's out there in that version is all there ever will be. I said earlier we can assume a figure of 340 but my personal guess is that there are no more than 200 in the ikea frames out there. So anyone with a pre 10/10/2017 receipt in my view will have the best and rarest piece. I also feel now production has switched to Palestine they will produce far greater numbers for a much longer period of time unless you think the new version will only be on sale for 34 days or less? 9. I cannot believe people are even considering selling these for 2k this is an official Banksy print with in comparison to other prints a very low print run. 10. These aren't just Banksy prints I think people are missing the point this is a mixed media Banky print/sculpture a print comes on its own. This comes presented in the way Banksy intended it in the frame with a piece of wall used in the composition. How many other mixed media works like this can you point to that Banksy has released? In fact how many of you own Banksy prints? And how many own mixed media works? 11. And finally a thought experiment let's assume that what I've said was correct ie 1: it's an addition of 200 2: it's a mixed media piece 3: pest issue a COA What value in 1 year from now would you put on it? I like this, lots of thought I dont agree with much of it, but all we have are opinions, heresy, guesswork, finger in the air job To me its a keepsake, can't see myself ever selling, maybe the grandkids when they come to sell will say "Grandad, what a lying old fucker, he said this bit of rock on the wall would be worth something, and kept telling us not to bin it when he pegged it". or maybe they will raise a glass :-) |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 8:40:22 GMT 1, Great delivery this morning. Not sure about the box sets but I know they keep records of all the wall sculptures by photographing them before selling.  
Great delivery this morning. Not sure about the box sets but I know they keep records of all the wall sculptures by photographing them before selling. How long did they last? |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by rockbeer on Oct 12, 2017 8:43:24 GMT 1, The print out will be the same the only hard thing now is finding one of those deep IKEA frames I think my sister in law got one a few weeks back bet she does not know the value I bet she knows the exact value, about £14.99. What the hell are you on about?
Looks like I'm going to be in the money!
The print out will be the same the only hard thing now is finding one of those deep IKEA frames I think my sister in law got one a few weeks back bet she does not know the value I bet she knows the exact value, about £14.99. What the hell are you on about? I bought two last week in my local Ikea, perspex versions. £3.95 each. One's got an Eine postcard in it now. Looks like I'm going to be in the money! |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by ferg on Oct 12, 2017 9:06:45 GMT 1, If you really think the 'first edition' are worth more... pop down to ikea for a £3 ikea frame. Unless they are using finger print technology, it would be impossible to use the markings as a numbering method Just go and take in the area and culture, the boxset will be a reminder of a life changing eperience.
If you really think the 'first edition' are worth more... pop down to ikea for a £3 ikea frame. Unless they are using finger print technology, it would be impossible to use the markings as a numbering method Just go and take in the area and culture, the boxset will be a reminder of a life changing eperience. Well said Carl, the art dealers/ flippers are morons. |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by helium on Oct 12, 2017 9:17:51 GMT 1, Great delivery this morning. Not sure about the box sets but I know they keep records of all the wall sculptures by photographing them before selling.
That's deffo banksy taking pictures for pest control to get the certificates ready for the uncertified holiday momento
Great delivery this morning. Not sure about the box sets but I know they keep records of all the wall sculptures by photographing them before selling. That's deffo banksy taking pictures for pest control to get the certificates ready for the uncertified holiday momento |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by erik on Oct 12, 2017 9:25:30 GMT 1, What a thread!
The Banksy I know of (not personally) would indeed want the locals to benefit from selling these box sets on. Do you really think that AFTER the collectors and profit seekers have secured one on ebay that Pest Control will issue COAs to increase potential profits further? Come on, if Banksy intended these to have COAs, he would have put them in the hands of the locals in the first place.
What a thread!
The Banksy I know of (not personally) would indeed want the locals to benefit from selling these box sets on. Do you really think that AFTER the collectors and profit seekers have secured one on ebay that Pest Control will issue COAs to increase potential profits further? Come on, if Banksy intended these to have COAs, he would have put them in the hands of the locals in the first place.
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Art Fan 2011 on Oct 12, 2017 9:26:15 GMT 1, Association with banksy The teddies and riots shields at dismaland peaked at 5k then 6months later struggled at £900, I Unlimited but saying that the Tesco posters and the banksy years record are £900 now
I would imagine 95% of the Tesco's posters are fake, which makes a mockary of the whole market for them. I've purchased a number over the years, each has been on different paper all claim to be legit (someone's lying). Whilst these box sets are harder to copy, so don't think they will be, we will see enough originals on the market. If they are still producing them this time next year I can't see how the prices can hold much more that 500-1000 absolute tops (short-medium term )
Association with banksy The teddies and riots shields at dismaland peaked at 5k then 6months later struggled at £900, I Unlimited but saying that the Tesco posters and the banksy years record are £900 now I would imagine 95% of the Tesco's posters are fake, which makes a mockary of the whole market for them. I've purchased a number over the years, each has been on different paper all claim to be legit (someone's lying). Whilst these box sets are harder to copy, so don't think they will be, we will see enough originals on the market. If they are still producing them this time next year I can't see how the prices can hold much more that 500-1000 absolute tops (short-medium term ) |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by charliem on Oct 12, 2017 9:26:37 GMT 1, Great delivery this morning. Not sure about the box sets but I know they keep records of all the wall sculptures by photographing them before selling. How long did they last?
This was three weeks ago.
The mob bought most but there was a couple left at the end.
Great delivery this morning. Not sure about the box sets but I know they keep records of all the wall sculptures by photographing them before selling. How long did they last? This was three weeks ago. The mob bought most but there was a couple left at the end. |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Cookiemonster on Oct 12, 2017 9:29:51 GMT 1, those that know, they know, those that know, they know fuck all and will make you think that they know, but actually they know fuck all.
Go out there, enjoy the falafels, get a nice souvenier, sell it to recoup your spend, but keep the memories.
Oh and anyone notice the labels on the tshirts have been removed from the gift shop site, does that mean the gildan labells make them more valuable? You are being watched!!!
those that know, they know, those that know, they know fuck all and will make you think that they know, but actually they know fuck all.
Go out there, enjoy the falafels, get a nice souvenier, sell it to recoup your spend, but keep the memories.
Oh and anyone notice the labels on the tshirts have been removed from the gift shop site, does that mean the gildan labells make them more valuable? You are being watched!!!
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Posterboob on Oct 12, 2017 9:30:51 GMT 1, Amazing!
www.ebay.co.uk/i/182824551138
Everyone paying thousands for a digital print yet an official print on Cotton has to be more valuable!
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Dive Jedi on Oct 12, 2017 9:41:12 GMT 1, Must be real if it's in an Ikea frame.
Must be real if it's in an Ikea frame. |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Posterboob on Oct 12, 2017 9:47:08 GMT 1, In fairness, how is it any different from the box set, both images purchased from the gift shop, both unsigned and both unlimited - the real difference is that with the box set you have that rare commodity called concrete included.
In fairness, how is it any different from the box set, both images purchased from the gift shop, both unsigned and both unlimited - the real difference is that with the box set you have that rare commodity called concrete included.
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by tab1 on Oct 12, 2017 9:50:47 GMT 1,
Lol
That looks quite impressive compared to the actual print!
Lol That looks quite impressive compared to the actual print! |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by highflyer on Oct 12, 2017 9:52:38 GMT 1,
Ha ha ha what a w######r. People love to try and rip other people off. Sad world.
Ha ha ha what a w######r. People love to try and rip other people off. Sad world. |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Happy Shopper on Oct 12, 2017 9:56:09 GMT 1,
That's a good idea... and does look better than the "print"! LOL
That's a good idea... and does look better than the "print"! LOL |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by tab1 on Oct 12, 2017 10:07:21 GMT 1, If you really think the 'first edition' are worth more... pop down to ikea for a £3 ikea frame. Unless they are using finger print technology, it would be impossible to use the markings as a numbering method Just go and take in the area and culture, the boxset will be a reminder of a life changing eperience.
The receipts by the date shows which frame they should have but as said re frame in any frame , buy ikeas to reframe
The new frames Could be olive wood , will look really good all unique , but collectors have unique tastes and never know what will be more desirable .
Unlimited run , constant supply on eBay and more variations , people swapping frames , will be able to pick up cheap soon, happy days for those that can’t get out there
If you really think the 'first edition' are worth more... pop down to ikea for a £3 ikea frame. Unless they are using finger print technology, it would be impossible to use the markings as a numbering method Just go and take in the area and culture, the boxset will be a reminder of a life changing eperience. The receipts by the date shows which frame they should have but as said re frame in any frame , buy ikeas to reframe The new frames Could be olive wood , will look really good all unique , but collectors have unique tastes and never know what will be more desirable . Unlimited run , constant supply on eBay and more variations , people swapping frames , will be able to pick up cheap soon, happy days for those that can’t get out there |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 10:18:27 GMT 1, I'm bored now
can we have a block thread button
see you in a few hours when I come back to say something non enlightening
I'm bored now
can we have a block thread button
see you in a few hours when I come back to say something non enlightening
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Rouen Cathedral on Oct 12, 2017 10:24:49 GMT 1, I know I know I know. Except it’s all speculation and stories with no proof of source.
I’d imagine the circus of all this is part of banksys ‘plan’ I would like to think he knew all this would occur.
If not then this hotel to bring Good and awareness is becoming a bit of a joke. (Maybe it already is...)
I know I know I know. Except it’s all speculation and stories with no proof of source.
I’d imagine the circus of all this is part of banksys ‘plan’ I would like to think he knew all this would occur.
If not then this hotel to bring Good and awareness is becoming a bit of a joke. (Maybe it already is...)
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Coach on Oct 12, 2017 10:26:23 GMT 1, In fairness, how is it any different from the box set, both images purchased from the gift shop, both unsigned and both unlimited - the real difference is that with the box set you have that rare commodity called concrete included.
How is it any different? I'm going to go with the difference being one is a print and the other is a t shirt.
In fairness, how is it any different from the box set, both images purchased from the gift shop, both unsigned and both unlimited - the real difference is that with the box set you have that rare commodity called concrete included. How is it any different? I'm going to go with the difference being one is a print and the other is a t shirt. |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Deleted on Oct 12, 2017 10:35:01 GMT 1, I heard pest control may issue c.o.a.s for the mugs
I heard pest control may issue c.o.a.s for the mugs for the mugs or to the mugs ? |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by jhonnyboy on Oct 12, 2017 11:30:26 GMT 1, If you really think the 'first edition' are worth more... pop down to ikea for a £3 ikea frame. Unless they are using finger print technology, it would be impossible to use the markings as a numbering method Just go and take in the area and culture, the boxset will be a reminder of a life changing eperience.
If you really think the 'first edition' are worth more... pop down to ikea for a £3 ikea frame. Unless they are using finger print technology, it would be impossible to use the markings as a numbering method Just go and take in the area and culture, the boxset will be a reminder of a life changing eperience. Impossible to use paint markings as a numbering tool? I thought you were smarter than that Carl. If pest have photographed each one you really think they couldn't use that as an authenticating tool? The exact shape of the wall piece and those smudges of paint are impossible to reproduce, if however you know different please make up an exact copy of your wall piece and let us see. |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by mojo on Oct 12, 2017 11:42:55 GMT 1, I say deliver me from Swedish frames and clever art 
I say deliver me from Swedish frames and clever art |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Viking Surfer on Oct 12, 2017 11:58:43 GMT 1, Regardless of all this, I would still like a box set.
If anyone has a spare at a reasonable price then I am all ears.
Regardless of all this, I would still like a box set.
If anyone has a spare at a reasonable price then I am all ears.
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by jhonnyboy on Oct 12, 2017 12:07:55 GMT 1, I thought I'd say this sounds like I'm coming to this thread from the angle of someone who owns an ikea boxset I don't! I am travelling out there but I am a little dissapointed I missed the original version. My point is that there are two versions now the first and second. One will be rarer than the other that's a fact but which one? My view is the original as they were only on sale for 34 days but we will see the new version might be on sale for 20 days.
I thought I'd say this sounds like I'm coming to this thread from the angle of someone who owns an ikea boxset I don't! I am travelling out there but I am a little dissapointed I missed the original version. My point is that there are two versions now the first and second. One will be rarer than the other that's a fact but which one? My view is the original as they were only on sale for 34 days but we will see the new version might be on sale for 20 days.
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Rouen Cathedral on Oct 12, 2017 12:27:42 GMT 1, Two versions. Haha
Next it will be that there is 600 versions of girl with balloon and actually each one is an original because the paper is different then the previous because it’s a different piece of paper.
Also I heard from a credible source that banksy hand fed the even numbered ones and not the odd numbered ones!
Oh and also banksy doesn’t actually paint his artwork. Well at least not anymore. Others do it for him. So early banksy = real banksy and late banksy = not banksy.
Two versions. Haha
Next it will be that there is 600 versions of girl with balloon and actually each one is an original because the paper is different then the previous because it’s a different piece of paper.
Also I heard from a credible source that banksy hand fed the even numbered ones and not the odd numbered ones!
Oh and also banksy doesn’t actually paint his artwork. Well at least not anymore. Others do it for him. So early banksy = real banksy and late banksy = not banksy.
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by ahmad9910 on Oct 12, 2017 20:55:05 GMT 1, The silence before the hurricane
The silence before the hurricane
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by Art Fan 2011 on Oct 12, 2017 21:52:06 GMT 1, The silence before the hurricane
The silence before the hurricane Can you pick us up anymore ahmad? |
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Banksy • Box Set, Walled Off Hotel, by ahmad9910 on Oct 12, 2017 21:57:01 GMT 1, The silence before the hurricane Can you pick us up anymore ahmad?
The silence before the hurricane Can you pick us up anymore ahmad? Not easy but I can |
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