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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Laugh Now 10 on Nov 26, 2017 21:58:23 GMT 1, Interesting that the eBay seller, who is a member on here, set his reserve higher than the $13K+ USD current bid as he could have at least already guaranteed himself that evaluation (at a minimum). I mean, is $13K not enough for your $650 USD investment, seller? And guess what? If the auction doesn’t reach his $15K USD reserve (most likely) then the print doesn’t sell and good luck selling it at that amount in a world where no COA is guaranteed. Clearly, the print has value but potentially, without a COA being issued to the secondary market buyer, the ultimate evaluation will be closer to the Dismaland print or Cans film festival print instead of a proper “signed” Banksy coupled with a PC Cert.
Interesting that the eBay seller, who is a member on here, set his reserve higher than the $13K+ USD current bid as he could have at least already guaranteed himself that evaluation (at a minimum). I mean, is $13K not enough for your $650 USD investment, seller? And guess what? If the auction doesn’t reach his $15K USD reserve (most likely) then the print doesn’t sell and good luck selling it at that amount in a world where no COA is guaranteed. Clearly, the print has value but potentially, without a COA being issued to the secondary market buyer, the ultimate evaluation will be closer to the Dismaland print or Cans film festival print instead of a proper “signed” Banksy coupled with a PC Cert.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Poster Bob on Nov 26, 2017 22:04:01 GMT 1, You could not be more incorrect Sir! Please see the many posts on the last few pages from knowledgeable members, all of whom have been purchasing directly from POW over the last 10 years confirming without a doubt that POW would just love to have these prints sold on for a healthy profit and will in now way hinder the issuing of a COA.
Interesting that the eBay seller, who is a member on here, set his reserve higher than the $13K+ USD current bid as he could have at least already guaranteed himself that evaluation (at a minimum). I mean, is $13K not enough for your $650 USD investment, seller? And guess what? If the auction doesn’t reach his $15K USD reserve (most likely) then the print doesn’t sell and good luck selling it at that amount in a world where no COA is guaranteed. Clearly, the print has value but potentially, without a COA being issued to the secondary market buyer, the ultimate evaluation will be closer to the Dismaland print or Cans film festival print instead of a proper “signed” Banksy coupled with a PC Cert.
You could not be more incorrect Sir! Please see the many posts on the last few pages from knowledgeable members, all of whom have been purchasing directly from POW over the last 10 years confirming without a doubt that POW would just love to have these prints sold on for a healthy profit and will in now way hinder the issuing of a COA. Interesting that the eBay seller, who is a member on here, set his reserve higher than the $13K+ USD current bid as he could have at least already guaranteed himself that evaluation (at a minimum). I mean, is $13K not enough for your $650 USD investment, seller? And guess what? If the auction doesn’t reach his $15K USD reserve (most likely) then the print doesn’t sell and good luck selling it at that amount in a world where no COA is guaranteed. Clearly, the print has value but potentially, without a COA being issued to the secondary market buyer, the ultimate evaluation will be closer to the Dismaland print or Cans film festival print instead of a proper “signed” Banksy coupled with a PC Cert. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 26, 2017 22:04:48 GMT 1, Interesting that the eBay seller, who is a member on here, set his reserve higher than the $13K+ USD current bid as he could have at least already guaranteed himself that evaluation (at a minimum). I mean, is $13K not enough for your $650 USD investment, seller? And guess what? If the auction doesn’t reach his $15K USD reserve (most likely) then the print doesn’t sell and good luck selling it at that amount in a world where no COA is guaranteed. Clearly, the print has value but potentially, without a COA being issued to the secondary market buyer, the ultimate evaluation will be closer to the Dismaland print or Cans film festival print instead of a proper “signed” Banksy coupled with a PC Cert.
It’s a game. Set it high get max bids. Take to private bidder and say hey look this is the value. Sell for a couple K less. Cancel auction.
In reality the reserve was high to drive eBay bids and the actual real sale will be much over the actual market value. Sellers scam.
Interesting that the eBay seller, who is a member on here, set his reserve higher than the $13K+ USD current bid as he could have at least already guaranteed himself that evaluation (at a minimum). I mean, is $13K not enough for your $650 USD investment, seller? And guess what? If the auction doesn’t reach his $15K USD reserve (most likely) then the print doesn’t sell and good luck selling it at that amount in a world where no COA is guaranteed. Clearly, the print has value but potentially, without a COA being issued to the secondary market buyer, the ultimate evaluation will be closer to the Dismaland print or Cans film festival print instead of a proper “signed” Banksy coupled with a PC Cert. It’s a game. Set it high get max bids. Take to private bidder and say hey look this is the value. Sell for a couple K less. Cancel auction. In reality the reserve was high to drive eBay bids and the actual real sale will be much over the actual market value. Sellers scam. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Laugh Now 10 on Nov 26, 2017 22:14:29 GMT 1, Interesting that the eBay seller, who is a member on here, set his reserve higher than the $13K+ USD current bid as he could have at least already guaranteed himself that evaluation (at a minimum). I mean, is $13K not enough for your $650 USD investment, seller? And guess what? If the auction doesn’t reach his $15K USD reserve (most likely) then the print doesn’t sell and good luck selling it at that amount in a world where no COA is guaranteed. Clearly, the print has value but potentially, without a COA being issued to the secondary market buyer, the ultimate evaluation will be closer to the Dismaland print or Cans film festival print instead of a proper “signed” Banksy coupled with a PC Cert. It’s a game. Set it high get max bids. Take to private bidder and say hey look this is the value. Sell for a couple K less. Cancel auction. In reality the reserve was high to drive eBay bids and the actual real sale will be much over the actual market value. Sellers scam.
Agreed, but, as a flipper, isn’t it the point to sell the print? Why not set the reserve at $10K USD and guarantee yourself a sale (AND HUGE PROFIT) instead of setting the reserve at $15K USD for an awesome print with a certification issue? Clearly, the answer is good old fashioned greed but I wouldn’t be surprised if POW/PC tracks this print and when the secondary sucker buyer attempts to secure a Cert he/she will be systematically denied.
Interesting that the eBay seller, who is a member on here, set his reserve higher than the $13K+ USD current bid as he could have at least already guaranteed himself that evaluation (at a minimum). I mean, is $13K not enough for your $650 USD investment, seller? And guess what? If the auction doesn’t reach his $15K USD reserve (most likely) then the print doesn’t sell and good luck selling it at that amount in a world where no COA is guaranteed. Clearly, the print has value but potentially, without a COA being issued to the secondary market buyer, the ultimate evaluation will be closer to the Dismaland print or Cans film festival print instead of a proper “signed” Banksy coupled with a PC Cert. It’s a game. Set it high get max bids. Take to private bidder and say hey look this is the value. Sell for a couple K less. Cancel auction. In reality the reserve was high to drive eBay bids and the actual real sale will be much over the actual market value. Sellers scam. Agreed, but, as a flipper, isn’t it the point to sell the print? Why not set the reserve at $10K USD and guarantee yourself a sale (AND HUGE PROFIT) instead of setting the reserve at $15K USD for an awesome print with a certification issue? Clearly, the answer is good old fashioned greed but I wouldn’t be surprised if POW/PC tracks this print and when the secondary sucker buyer attempts to secure a Cert he/she will be systematically denied. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Boyle44 on Nov 26, 2017 22:24:44 GMT 1, You can’t hate on someone for needing to sell something they paid 500 quid for in a lottery for over 10-12k if they need the money.....where does it say that you can’t sell them ? Do people hate on all homeowners making money on their house they not lived in long ? Too many bitter people on here some of you really need to get over the fact you didn’t win. We all know if you had won you wouldn’t be selling a signed Banksy for under 10k so stop kidding yourselves. I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print and by that them managing to sell for a lot more than they paid and changing there lives for the better, even the richest people in the world have to sell their art whether it’s due to a divorce and the wife is making the collection be split up or for a new business venture etc etc. Things come up in life that are unforeseen pow know that especially as people are expected to wait until 2019 to even try apply for coa so they won’t be funny with the new owner as long as they can prove name address proof of receipt etc then will be all fine . These 100% will be issued coas just like choose your weapons and others in the past. Rant over sorry if I sound crazy guys 🙈
You can’t hate on someone for needing to sell something they paid 500 quid for in a lottery for over 10-12k if they need the money.....where does it say that you can’t sell them ? Do people hate on all homeowners making money on their house they not lived in long ? Too many bitter people on here some of you really need to get over the fact you didn’t win. We all know if you had won you wouldn’t be selling a signed Banksy for under 10k so stop kidding yourselves. I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print and by that them managing to sell for a lot more than they paid and changing there lives for the better, even the richest people in the world have to sell their art whether it’s due to a divorce and the wife is making the collection be split up or for a new business venture etc etc. Things come up in life that are unforeseen pow know that especially as people are expected to wait until 2019 to even try apply for coa so they won’t be funny with the new owner as long as they can prove name address proof of receipt etc then will be all fine . These 100% will be issued coas just like choose your weapons and others in the past. Rant over sorry if I sound crazy guys 🙈
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 26, 2017 22:28:21 GMT 1, It’s a game. Set it high get max bids. Take to private bidder and say hey look this is the value. Sell for a couple K less. Cancel auction. In reality the reserve was high to drive eBay bids and the actual real sale will be much over the actual market value. Sellers scam. Agreed, but, as a flipper, isn’t it the point to sell the print? Why not set the reserve at $10K USD and guarantee yourself a sale (AND HUGE PROFIT) instead of setting the reserve at $15K USD for an awesome print with a certification issue? Clearly, the answer is good old fashioned greed but I wouldn’t be surprised if POW/PC tracks this print and when the secondary sucker buyer attempts to secure a Cert he/she will be systematically denied.
Yes. But the seller probably has a more reputable buyer on the side. Using eBay to pump price. Then will do a deal on side with less chance of problems. No one wants to sell a 15k product to some random on eBay. Much rather take a little less for more guaranteed sale.
It’s a game. Set it high get max bids. Take to private bidder and say hey look this is the value. Sell for a couple K less. Cancel auction. In reality the reserve was high to drive eBay bids and the actual real sale will be much over the actual market value. Sellers scam. Agreed, but, as a flipper, isn’t it the point to sell the print? Why not set the reserve at $10K USD and guarantee yourself a sale (AND HUGE PROFIT) instead of setting the reserve at $15K USD for an awesome print with a certification issue? Clearly, the answer is good old fashioned greed but I wouldn’t be surprised if POW/PC tracks this print and when the secondary sucker buyer attempts to secure a Cert he/she will be systematically denied. Yes. But the seller probably has a more reputable buyer on the side. Using eBay to pump price. Then will do a deal on side with less chance of problems. No one wants to sell a 15k product to some random on eBay. Much rather take a little less for more guaranteed sale. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Dive Jedi on Nov 26, 2017 22:32:53 GMT 1, You can’t hate on someone for needing to sell something they paid 500 quid for in a lottery for over 10-12k if they need the money.....where does it say that you can’t sell them ? Do people hate on all homeowners making money on their house they not lived in long ? Too many bitter people on here some of you really need to get over the fact you didn’t win. We all know if you had won you wouldn’t be selling a signed Banksy for under 10k so stop kidding yourselves. I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print and by that them managing to sell for a lot more than they paid and changing there lives for the better, even the richest people in the world have to sell their art whether it’s due to a divorce and the wife is making the collection be split up or for a new business venture etc etc. Things come up in life that are unforeseen pow know that especially as people are expected to wait until 2019 to even try apply for coa so they won’t be funny with the new owner as long as they can prove name address proof of receipt etc then will be all fine . These 100% will be issued coas just like choose your weapons and others in the past. Rant over sorry if I sound crazy guys 🙈
Spot on I say, sir.
You can’t hate on someone for needing to sell something they paid 500 quid for in a lottery for over 10-12k if they need the money.....where does it say that you can’t sell them ? Do people hate on all homeowners making money on their house they not lived in long ? Too many bitter people on here some of you really need to get over the fact you didn’t win. We all know if you had won you wouldn’t be selling a signed Banksy for under 10k so stop kidding yourselves. I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print and by that them managing to sell for a lot more than they paid and changing there lives for the better, even the richest people in the world have to sell their art whether it’s due to a divorce and the wife is making the collection be split up or for a new business venture etc etc. Things come up in life that are unforeseen pow know that especially as people are expected to wait until 2019 to even try apply for coa so they won’t be funny with the new owner as long as they can prove name address proof of receipt etc then will be all fine . These 100% will be issued coas just like choose your weapons and others in the past. Rant over sorry if I sound crazy guys 🙈 Crazy? Spot on I say, sir. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 26, 2017 22:36:15 GMT 1, Come on someone. Put a 100k bid in and find out where the reserve is? You can always retract no? Haha the shadiness of ebay
Come on someone. Put a 100k bid in and find out where the reserve is? You can always retract no? Haha the shadiness of ebay
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Laugh Now 10 on Nov 26, 2017 22:44:59 GMT 1, You can’t hate on someone for needing to sell something they paid 500 quid for in a lottery for over 10-12k if they need the money.....where does it say that you can’t sell them ? Do people hate on all homeowners making money on their house they not lived in long ? Too many bitter people on here some of you really need to get over the fact you didn’t win. We all know if you had won you wouldn’t be selling a signed Banksy for under 10k so stop kidding yourselves. I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print and by that them managing to sell for a lot more than they paid and changing there lives for the better, even the richest people in the world have to sell their art whether it’s due to a divorce and the wife is making the collection be split up or for a new business venture etc etc. Things come up in life that are unforeseen pow know that especially as people are expected to wait until 2019 to even try apply for coa so they won’t be funny with the new owner as long as they can prove name address proof of receipt etc then will be all fine . These 100% will be issued coas just like choose your weapons and others in the past. Rant over sorry if I sound crazy guys 🙈
These are all good points but one of your main points is misleading. You are discussing “selling a signed Banksy” but what you should be more accurately discussing is “selling a signed Banksy that currently has no PC COA but may/should have one in a year”. Let me ask you, would you pay $10K+, now, for any other signed Banksy that has no PC COA at the time of closing a deal? I think not (or, if living on the edge is your thing, then best of luck to you mate).
You can’t hate on someone for needing to sell something they paid 500 quid for in a lottery for over 10-12k if they need the money.....where does it say that you can’t sell them ? Do people hate on all homeowners making money on their house they not lived in long ? Too many bitter people on here some of you really need to get over the fact you didn’t win. We all know if you had won you wouldn’t be selling a signed Banksy for under 10k so stop kidding yourselves. I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print and by that them managing to sell for a lot more than they paid and changing there lives for the better, even the richest people in the world have to sell their art whether it’s due to a divorce and the wife is making the collection be split up or for a new business venture etc etc. Things come up in life that are unforeseen pow know that especially as people are expected to wait until 2019 to even try apply for coa so they won’t be funny with the new owner as long as they can prove name address proof of receipt etc then will be all fine . These 100% will be issued coas just like choose your weapons and others in the past. Rant over sorry if I sound crazy guys 🙈 These are all good points but one of your main points is misleading. You are discussing “selling a signed Banksy” but what you should be more accurately discussing is “selling a signed Banksy that currently has no PC COA but may/should have one in a year”. Let me ask you, would you pay $10K+, now, for any other signed Banksy that has no PC COA at the time of closing a deal? I think not (or, if living on the edge is your thing, then best of luck to you mate). |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by ferg on Nov 26, 2017 22:46:01 GMT 1, Reserve will be over £20k and he will easily get more than that Print is quality quality and will just keep going.
Reserve will be over £20k and he will easily get more than that Print is quality quality and will just keep going.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Art! on Nov 27, 2017 0:15:37 GMT 1, Interesting that the eBay seller, who is a member on here, set his reserve higher than the $13K+ USD current bid as he could have at least already guaranteed himself that evaluation (at a minimum). I mean, is $13K not enough for your $650 USD investment, seller? And guess what? If the auction doesn’t reach his $15K USD reserve (most likely) then the print doesn’t sell and good luck selling it at that amount in a world where no COA is guaranteed. Clearly, the print has value but potentially, without a COA being issued to the secondary market buyer, the ultimate evaluation will be closer to the Dismaland print or Cans film festival print instead of a proper “signed” Banksy coupled with a PC Cert. It’s a game. Set it high get max bids. Take to private bidder and say hey look this is the value. Sell for a couple K less. Cancel auction. In reality the reserve was high to drive eBay bids and the actual real sale will be much over the actual market value. Sellers scam.
eBay recently updated selling rules so if you cancel an auction for whatever reason, they can still charge you a % of the bid price. Will be interesting to see the outcome.
Interesting that the eBay seller, who is a member on here, set his reserve higher than the $13K+ USD current bid as he could have at least already guaranteed himself that evaluation (at a minimum). I mean, is $13K not enough for your $650 USD investment, seller? And guess what? If the auction doesn’t reach his $15K USD reserve (most likely) then the print doesn’t sell and good luck selling it at that amount in a world where no COA is guaranteed. Clearly, the print has value but potentially, without a COA being issued to the secondary market buyer, the ultimate evaluation will be closer to the Dismaland print or Cans film festival print instead of a proper “signed” Banksy coupled with a PC Cert. It’s a game. Set it high get max bids. Take to private bidder and say hey look this is the value. Sell for a couple K less. Cancel auction. In reality the reserve was high to drive eBay bids and the actual real sale will be much over the actual market value. Sellers scam. eBay recently updated selling rules so if you cancel an auction for whatever reason, they can still charge you a % of the bid price. Will be interesting to see the outcome. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by bluestskies on Nov 27, 2017 0:39:34 GMT 1, You can’t hate on someone for needing to sell something they paid 500 quid for in a lottery for over 10-12k if they need the money.....where does it say that you can’t sell them ? Do people hate on all homeowners making money on their house they not lived in long ? Too many bitter people on here some of you really need to get over the fact you didn’t win. We all know if you had won you wouldn’t be selling a signed Banksy for under 10k so stop kidding yourselves. I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print and by that them managing to sell for a lot more than they paid and changing there lives for the better, even the richest people in the world have to sell their art whether it’s due to a divorce and the wife is making the collection be split up or for a new business venture etc etc. Things come up in life that are unforeseen pow know that especially as people are expected to wait until 2019 to even try apply for coa so they won’t be funny with the new owner as long as they can prove name address proof of receipt etc then will be all fine . These 100% will be issued coas just like choose your weapons and others in the past. Rant over sorry if I sound crazy guys 🙈 These are all good points but one of your main points is misleading. You are discussing “selling a signed Banksy” but what you should be more accurately discussing is “selling a signed Banksy that currently has no PC COA but may/should have one in a year”. Let me ask you, would you pay $10K+, now, for any other signed Banksy that has no PC COA at the time of closing a deal? I think not (or, if living on the edge is your thing, then best of luck to you mate).
That is also a bit misleading though since it’s not like any other signed Banksy out there. This is comparing two different risks: one is if it is fake or real and the other is if the COA will be distributed in a year’s time.You wouldn’t pay for an old Banksy without a COA with all the fakes circulating because of the former. You wouldn’t want to buy this one because of the latter.
If you were able to get a COA and didn’t, that is definitely shady. If you literally cannot get a COA as a known fact for the entire run, it is not shady. It’s not like everyone has the COA but you. So it’s not like any other Banksy without a COA, and the risk level seems to vary from individual to individual. Small sample but the one on the bay says people are not really worried.
You can’t hate on someone for needing to sell something they paid 500 quid for in a lottery for over 10-12k if they need the money.....where does it say that you can’t sell them ? Do people hate on all homeowners making money on their house they not lived in long ? Too many bitter people on here some of you really need to get over the fact you didn’t win. We all know if you had won you wouldn’t be selling a signed Banksy for under 10k so stop kidding yourselves. I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print and by that them managing to sell for a lot more than they paid and changing there lives for the better, even the richest people in the world have to sell their art whether it’s due to a divorce and the wife is making the collection be split up or for a new business venture etc etc. Things come up in life that are unforeseen pow know that especially as people are expected to wait until 2019 to even try apply for coa so they won’t be funny with the new owner as long as they can prove name address proof of receipt etc then will be all fine . These 100% will be issued coas just like choose your weapons and others in the past. Rant over sorry if I sound crazy guys 🙈 These are all good points but one of your main points is misleading. You are discussing “selling a signed Banksy” but what you should be more accurately discussing is “selling a signed Banksy that currently has no PC COA but may/should have one in a year”. Let me ask you, would you pay $10K+, now, for any other signed Banksy that has no PC COA at the time of closing a deal? I think not (or, if living on the edge is your thing, then best of luck to you mate). That is also a bit misleading though since it’s not like any other signed Banksy out there. This is comparing two different risks: one is if it is fake or real and the other is if the COA will be distributed in a year’s time.You wouldn’t pay for an old Banksy without a COA with all the fakes circulating because of the former. You wouldn’t want to buy this one because of the latter. If you were able to get a COA and didn’t, that is definitely shady. If you literally cannot get a COA as a known fact for the entire run, it is not shady. It’s not like everyone has the COA but you. So it’s not like any other Banksy without a COA, and the risk level seems to vary from individual to individual. Small sample but the one on the bay says people are not really worried. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Laugh Now 10 on Nov 27, 2017 0:47:45 GMT 1, These are all good points but one of your main points is misleading. You are discussing “selling a signed Banksy” but what you should be more accurately discussing is “selling a signed Banksy that currently has no PC COA but may/should have one in a year”. Let me ask you, would you pay $10K+, now, for any other signed Banksy that has no PC COA at the time of closing a deal? I think not (or, if living on the edge is your thing, then best of luck to you mate). That is also a bit misleading though since it’s not like any other signed Banksy out there. This is comparing two different risks: one is if it is fake or real and the other is if the COA will be distributed in a year’s time.You wouldn’t pay for an old Banksy without a COA with all the fakes circulating because of the former. You wouldn’t want to buy this one because of the latter. If you were able to get a COA and didn’t, that is definitely shady. If you literally cannot get a COA as a known fact for the entire run, it is not shady. It’s not like everyone has the COA but you. So it’s not like any other Banksy without a COA, and the risk level seems to vary from individual to individual. Small sample but the one on the bay says people are not really worried.
I appreciate the response, mate. It’s good to have these discussions on here instead of unilateral nonsense. Any way, for me, maybe I’m a bit risk adverse but since, clearly, no one can fully predict what is going to happen in one year’s time (especially if you are a secondary market buyer) I’d let it all play out a bit more before I spend the equivalent of the mortgage many times over to acquire this piece.
These are all good points but one of your main points is misleading. You are discussing “selling a signed Banksy” but what you should be more accurately discussing is “selling a signed Banksy that currently has no PC COA but may/should have one in a year”. Let me ask you, would you pay $10K+, now, for any other signed Banksy that has no PC COA at the time of closing a deal? I think not (or, if living on the edge is your thing, then best of luck to you mate). That is also a bit misleading though since it’s not like any other signed Banksy out there. This is comparing two different risks: one is if it is fake or real and the other is if the COA will be distributed in a year’s time.You wouldn’t pay for an old Banksy without a COA with all the fakes circulating because of the former. You wouldn’t want to buy this one because of the latter. If you were able to get a COA and didn’t, that is definitely shady. If you literally cannot get a COA as a known fact for the entire run, it is not shady. It’s not like everyone has the COA but you. So it’s not like any other Banksy without a COA, and the risk level seems to vary from individual to individual. Small sample but the one on the bay says people are not really worried. I appreciate the response, mate. It’s good to have these discussions on here instead of unilateral nonsense. Any way, for me, maybe I’m a bit risk adverse but since, clearly, no one can fully predict what is going to happen in one year’s time (especially if you are a secondary market buyer) I’d let it all play out a bit more before I spend the equivalent of the mortgage many times over to acquire this piece. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by bluestskies on Nov 27, 2017 0:56:08 GMT 1, That is also a bit misleading though since it’s not like any other signed Banksy out there. This is comparing two different risks: one is if it is fake or real and the other is if the COA will be distributed in a year’s time.You wouldn’t pay for an old Banksy without a COA with all the fakes circulating because of the former. You wouldn’t want to buy this one because of the latter. If you were able to get a COA and didn’t, that is definitely shady. If you literally cannot get a COA as a known fact for the entire run, it is not shady. It’s not like everyone has the COA but you. So it’s not like any other Banksy without a COA, and the risk level seems to vary from individual to individual. Small sample but the one on the bay says people are not really worried. I appreciate the response, mate. It’s good to have these discussions on here instead of unilateral nonsense. Any way, for me, maybe I’m a bit risk adverse but since, clearly, no one can fully predict what is going to happen in one year’s time (especially if you are a secondary market buyer) I’d let it all play out a bit more before I spend the equivalent of the mortgage many times over to acquire this piece.
Cheers. Same here. I’m also just interested in the cultural phenomenon aspect of it as well. It’s so interesting since I never expected another release so the patterns are probably going to be shaken up and absolutely - no idea what the next year will bring.
That is also a bit misleading though since it’s not like any other signed Banksy out there. This is comparing two different risks: one is if it is fake or real and the other is if the COA will be distributed in a year’s time.You wouldn’t pay for an old Banksy without a COA with all the fakes circulating because of the former. You wouldn’t want to buy this one because of the latter. If you were able to get a COA and didn’t, that is definitely shady. If you literally cannot get a COA as a known fact for the entire run, it is not shady. It’s not like everyone has the COA but you. So it’s not like any other Banksy without a COA, and the risk level seems to vary from individual to individual. Small sample but the one on the bay says people are not really worried. I appreciate the response, mate. It’s good to have these discussions on here instead of unilateral nonsense. Any way, for me, maybe I’m a bit risk adverse but since, clearly, no one can fully predict what is going to happen in one year’s time (especially if you are a secondary market buyer) I’d let it all play out a bit more before I spend the equivalent of the mortgage many times over to acquire this piece. Cheers. Same here. I’m also just interested in the cultural phenomenon aspect of it as well. It’s so interesting since I never expected another release so the patterns are probably going to be shaken up and absolutely - no idea what the next year will bring. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Boyle44 on Nov 27, 2017 9:07:13 GMT 1, You can’t hate on someone for needing to sell something they paid 500 quid for in a lottery for over 10-12k if they need the money.....where does it say that you can’t sell them ? Do people hate on all homeowners making money on their house they not lived in long ? Too many bitter people on here some of you really need to get over the fact you didn’t win. We all know if you had won you wouldn’t be selling a signed Banksy for under 10k so stop kidding yourselves. I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print and by that them managing to sell for a lot more than they paid and changing there lives for the better, even the richest people in the world have to sell their art whether it’s due to a divorce and the wife is making the collection be split up or for a new business venture etc etc. Things come up in life that are unforeseen pow know that especially as people are expected to wait until 2019 to even try apply for coa so they won’t be funny with the new owner as long as they can prove name address proof of receipt etc then will be all fine . These 100% will be issued coas just like choose your weapons and others in the past. Rant over sorry if I sound crazy guys 🙈 These are all good points but one of your main points is misleading. You are discussing “selling a signed Banksy” but what you should be more accurately discussing is “selling a signed Banksy that currently has no PC COA but may/should have one in a year”. Let me ask you, would you pay $10K+, now, for any other signed Banksy that has no PC COA at the time of closing a deal? I think not (or, if living on the edge is your thing, then best of luck to you mate).
I don’t need to buy one for 10k as I was lucky to win one I’m just saying these will get coas. Also in answer to your question no I wouldn’t buy a print with no coa for 10k but can see why people will as in a years time that will seem very very cheap for this print.
You can’t hate on someone for needing to sell something they paid 500 quid for in a lottery for over 10-12k if they need the money.....where does it say that you can’t sell them ? Do people hate on all homeowners making money on their house they not lived in long ? Too many bitter people on here some of you really need to get over the fact you didn’t win. We all know if you had won you wouldn’t be selling a signed Banksy for under 10k so stop kidding yourselves. I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print and by that them managing to sell for a lot more than they paid and changing there lives for the better, even the richest people in the world have to sell their art whether it’s due to a divorce and the wife is making the collection be split up or for a new business venture etc etc. Things come up in life that are unforeseen pow know that especially as people are expected to wait until 2019 to even try apply for coa so they won’t be funny with the new owner as long as they can prove name address proof of receipt etc then will be all fine . These 100% will be issued coas just like choose your weapons and others in the past. Rant over sorry if I sound crazy guys 🙈 These are all good points but one of your main points is misleading. You are discussing “selling a signed Banksy” but what you should be more accurately discussing is “selling a signed Banksy that currently has no PC COA but may/should have one in a year”. Let me ask you, would you pay $10K+, now, for any other signed Banksy that has no PC COA at the time of closing a deal? I think not (or, if living on the edge is your thing, then best of luck to you mate). I don’t need to buy one for 10k as I was lucky to win one I’m just saying these will get coas. Also in answer to your question no I wouldn’t buy a print with no coa for 10k but can see why people will as in a years time that will seem very very cheap for this print. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by rparducci on Nov 27, 2017 9:39:59 GMT 1, Interesting that the eBay seller, who is a member on here, set his reserve higher than the $13K+ USD current bid as he could have at least already guaranteed himself that evaluation (at a minimum). I mean, is $13K not enough for your $650 USD investment, seller? And guess what? If the auction doesn’t reach his $15K USD reserve (most likely) then the print doesn’t sell and good luck selling it at that amount in a world where no COA is guaranteed. Clearly, the print has value but potentially, without a COA being issued to the secondary market buyer, the ultimate evaluation will be closer to the Dismaland print or Cans film festival print instead of a proper “signed” Banksy coupled with a PC Cert.
As I write this, the current bid is 15312 USD and 5 days 8 hrs to go, someone was offering 19,000 GBP last week and that's 25,341.71 usd , that been said, 15-20K USD for this print would be a great price IMHO
Interesting that the eBay seller, who is a member on here, set his reserve higher than the $13K+ USD current bid as he could have at least already guaranteed himself that evaluation (at a minimum). I mean, is $13K not enough for your $650 USD investment, seller? And guess what? If the auction doesn’t reach his $15K USD reserve (most likely) then the print doesn’t sell and good luck selling it at that amount in a world where no COA is guaranteed. Clearly, the print has value but potentially, without a COA being issued to the secondary market buyer, the ultimate evaluation will be closer to the Dismaland print or Cans film festival print instead of a proper “signed” Banksy coupled with a PC Cert. As I write this, the current bid is 15312 USD and 5 days 8 hrs to go, someone was offering 19,000 GBP last week and that's 25,341.71 usd , that been said, 15-20K USD for this print would be a great price IMHO |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Happy Shopper on Nov 27, 2017 10:07:56 GMT 1, I was told directly by POW that they are more than happy to issue the COA and that by purchasing a Sale Ends on the secondary you will be automatically added to the VIP list. Someone should ask POW. No one here knows for sure.
Helpful as ever 
I was told directly by POW that they are more than happy to issue the COA and that by purchasing a Sale Ends on the secondary you will be automatically added to the VIP list. Someone should ask POW. No one here knows for sure. Helpful as ever |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Lord Lucas Roham on Nov 27, 2017 10:13:25 GMT 1, There seems to be a large faction on this board that are extremely well off and can afford to purchase and hang Banksy prints without a thought. These people should perhaps be mindful that not everyone is in this boat, far from it.
I know for a fact that there are people who have won the print who struggled to find the £500 to make the initial purchase. For them, keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option. Winning the POW lottery was the equivalent of well, winning the lottery.
When you have the choice of perhaps giving your children a nice Christmas or paying for a frame for a print then I know what I would choose.
People need to live in the real world on here. The snobbishness is off the scale.
There seems to be a large faction on this board that are extremely well off and can afford to purchase and hang Banksy prints without a thought. These people should perhaps be mindful that not everyone is in this boat, far from it.
I know for a fact that there are people who have won the print who struggled to find the £500 to make the initial purchase. For them, keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option. Winning the POW lottery was the equivalent of well, winning the lottery.
When you have the choice of perhaps giving your children a nice Christmas or paying for a frame for a print then I know what I would choose.
People need to live in the real world on here. The snobbishness is off the scale.
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Imoy-San on Nov 27, 2017 10:48:51 GMT 1, Thanks for bringing a bit of reality to this crazy house. Word!
There seems to be a large faction on this board that are extremely well off and can afford to purchase and hang Banksy prints without a thought. These people should perhaps be mindful that not everyone is in this boat, far from it. I know for a fact that there are people who have won the print who struggled to find the £500 to make the initial purchase. For them, keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option. Winning the POW lottery was the equivalent of well, winning the lottery. When you have the choice of perhaps giving your children a nice Christmas or paying for a frame for a print then I know what I would choose. People need to live in the real world on here. The snobbishness is off the scale.
Thanks for bringing a bit of reality to this crazy house. Word! There seems to be a large faction on this board that are extremely well off and can afford to purchase and hang Banksy prints without a thought. These people should perhaps be mindful that not everyone is in this boat, far from it. I know for a fact that there are people who have won the print who struggled to find the £500 to make the initial purchase. For them, keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option. Winning the POW lottery was the equivalent of well, winning the lottery. When you have the choice of perhaps giving your children a nice Christmas or paying for a frame for a print then I know what I would choose. People need to live in the real world on here. The snobbishness is off the scale. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Hubble Bubble on Nov 27, 2017 11:58:20 GMT 1, There seems to be a large faction on this board that are extremely well off and can afford to purchase and hang Banksy prints without a thought. These people should perhaps be mindful that not everyone is in this boat, far from it. I know for a fact that there are people who have won the print who struggled to find the £500 to make the initial purchase. For them, keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option. Winning the POW lottery was the equivalent of well, winning the lottery. When you have the choice of perhaps giving your children a nice Christmas or paying for a frame for a print then I know what I would choose. People need to live in the real world on here. The snobbishness is off the scale.
There seems to be a large faction on this board that are extremely well off and can afford to purchase and hang Banksy prints without a thought. These people should perhaps be mindful that not everyone is in this boat, far from it. I know for a fact that there are people who have won the print who struggled to find the £500 to make the initial purchase. For them, keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option. Winning the POW lottery was the equivalent of well, winning the lottery. When you have the choice of perhaps giving your children a nice Christmas or paying for a frame for a print then I know what I would choose. People need to live in the real world on here. The snobbishness is off the scale. Good post. It's made me think a bit, for sure. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by loother on Nov 27, 2017 12:08:41 GMT 1, There seems to be a large faction on this board that are extremely well off and can afford to purchase and hang Banksy prints without a thought. These people should perhaps be mindful that not everyone is in this boat, far from it. I know for a fact that there are people who have won the print who struggled to find the £500 to make the initial purchase. For them, keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option. Winning the POW lottery was the equivalent of well, winning the lottery. When you have the choice of perhaps giving your children a nice Christmas or paying for a frame for a print then I know what I would choose. People need to live in the real world on here. The snobbishness is off the scale.
I couldn't disagree more, either with you or with those who say stuff along the lines of: "I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print." Of course I have no idea of their intentions, but if they wanted to make charitable donations to help out struggling families they could have done so. What they did was sell a print by an artist whose work is normally unachievably expensive for all but a tiny few, for a price which, while hardly negligible, was achievable for many. It is my opinion - and I write as someone who got a print, rather than out of jealousy - that those who won the chance to buy it should hang it and enjoy it. If they were unable to afford it, they shoudn't have bought it. If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have bought it. It really is that simple.
Of course the print's owners can now expect to sell it for *insert random large sum of money here* and most people's bank account would look a lot better with *random large sum of money* inside it, but anyone who sells it for a massively inflated price has also denied a Banksy fan who has never been able to afford his prints, who would have loved this print and framed it and enjoyed it, the chance to do so. And, whatever is motivating their sale, they should feel guilty about it.
It is not snobbishness to think that the owners of this print, or of £10 Soup Can posters, should feel some kind of duty to those who sold them so cheaply. Whatever motivated POW, I think it's unlikely (and the delayed COA proves it) that what lay behind it all was a desire to make a hefty donation to your Christmas holiday fund. You say that "keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option", but this is an artwork, not a banknote, and one that was sold days ago for a fraction of that price. If all you see when you look at your Sale Ends is £15,000+, and all you see when you look at your Soup Cans is £800, you need to have a long, hard look at yourself. Sell the print now if you want - we've all got to make a living somehow - but spare me the sanctimonious justification and admit to yourself as you do so that you are a parasite, that your self-enrichment has a cost and furthermore that it is, surely, a direct affront to the intentions of the people who sold it to you.
There seems to be a large faction on this board that are extremely well off and can afford to purchase and hang Banksy prints without a thought. These people should perhaps be mindful that not everyone is in this boat, far from it. I know for a fact that there are people who have won the print who struggled to find the £500 to make the initial purchase. For them, keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option. Winning the POW lottery was the equivalent of well, winning the lottery. When you have the choice of perhaps giving your children a nice Christmas or paying for a frame for a print then I know what I would choose. People need to live in the real world on here. The snobbishness is off the scale. I couldn't disagree more, either with you or with those who say stuff along the lines of: "I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print." Of course I have no idea of their intentions, but if they wanted to make charitable donations to help out struggling families they could have done so. What they did was sell a print by an artist whose work is normally unachievably expensive for all but a tiny few, for a price which, while hardly negligible, was achievable for many. It is my opinion - and I write as someone who got a print, rather than out of jealousy - that those who won the chance to buy it should hang it and enjoy it. If they were unable to afford it, they shoudn't have bought it. If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have bought it. It really is that simple. Of course the print's owners can now expect to sell it for *insert random large sum of money here* and most people's bank account would look a lot better with *random large sum of money* inside it, but anyone who sells it for a massively inflated price has also denied a Banksy fan who has never been able to afford his prints, who would have loved this print and framed it and enjoyed it, the chance to do so. And, whatever is motivating their sale, they should feel guilty about it. It is not snobbishness to think that the owners of this print, or of £10 Soup Can posters, should feel some kind of duty to those who sold them so cheaply. Whatever motivated POW, I think it's unlikely (and the delayed COA proves it) that what lay behind it all was a desire to make a hefty donation to your Christmas holiday fund. You say that "keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option", but this is an artwork, not a banknote, and one that was sold days ago for a fraction of that price. If all you see when you look at your Sale Ends is £15,000+, and all you see when you look at your Soup Cans is £800, you need to have a long, hard look at yourself. Sell the print now if you want - we've all got to make a living somehow - but spare me the sanctimonious justification and admit to yourself as you do so that you are a parasite, that your self-enrichment has a cost and furthermore that it is, surely, a direct affront to the intentions of the people who sold it to you. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by helium on Nov 27, 2017 12:13:38 GMT 1, Everyone debating the price
The condition
Should i sell it to help my kids have a better life
And me I'm still checking my emails
Everyone debating the price
The condition
Should i sell it to help my kids have a better life
And me I'm still checking my emails
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by acortellese on Nov 27, 2017 12:23:42 GMT 1, Everyone debating the price The condition Should i sell it to help my kids have a better life And me I'm still checking my emails
Signed: a fan who could easily afford 500+framing but will not spend the whatever Ks£ on a print ...
Everyone debating the price The condition Should i sell it to help my kids have a better life And me I'm still checking my emails Me too! Signed: a fan who could easily afford 500+framing but will not spend the whatever Ks£ on a print ... |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Rouen Cathedral on Nov 27, 2017 13:12:29 GMT 1, There seems to be a large faction on this board that are extremely well off and can afford to purchase and hang Banksy prints without a thought. These people should perhaps be mindful that not everyone is in this boat, far from it. I know for a fact that there are people who have won the print who struggled to find the £500 to make the initial purchase. For them, keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option. Winning the POW lottery was the equivalent of well, winning the lottery. When you have the choice of perhaps giving your children a nice Christmas or paying for a frame for a print then I know what I would choose. People need to live in the real world on here. The snobbishness is off the scale. I couldn't disagree more, either with you or with those who say stuff along the lines of: "I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print." Of course I have no idea of their intentions, but if they wanted to make charitable donations to help out struggling families they could have done so. What they did was sell a print by an artist whose work is normally unachievably expensive for all but a tiny few, for a price which, while hardly negligible, was achievable for many. It is my opinion - and I write as someone who got a print, rather than out of jealousy - that those who won the chance to buy it should hang it and enjoy it. If they were unable to afford it, they shoudn't have bought it. If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have bought it. It really is that simple. Of course the print's owners can now expect to sell it for *insert random large sum of money here* and most people's bank account would look a lot better with *random large sum of money* inside it, but anyone who sells it for a massively inflated price has also denied a Banksy fan who has never been able to afford his prints, who would have loved this print and framed it and enjoyed it, the chance to do so. And, whatever is motivating their sale, they should feel guilty about it. It is not snobbishness to think that the owners of this print, or of £10 Soup Can posters, should feel some kind of duty to those who sold them so cheaply. Whatever motivated POW, I think it's unlikely (and the delayed COA proves it) that what lay behind it all was a desire to make a hefty donation to your Christmas holiday fund. You say that "keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option", but this is an artwork, not a banknote, and one that was sold days ago for a fraction of that price. If all you see when you look at your Sale Ends is £15,000+, and all you see when you look at your Soup Cans is £800, you need to have a long, hard look at yourself. Sell the print now if you want - we've all got to make a living somehow - but spare me the sanctimonious justification and admit to yourself as you do so that you are a parasite, that your self-enrichment has a cost and furthermore that it is, surely, a direct affront to the intentions of the people who sold it to you.
I think you proved his point.
I saw ‘as someone who got a print’ and my eyes glazed over a little bit.
Not sure what world you’ve been living in but the majority of banksy owners are the EXACT people who look at their prints and see the monetary value. I think you should get off the pedestal and think about criticizing them instead of the hypothetical lottery who may sell cause the value is 10x they make in a month.
There seems to be a large faction on this board that are extremely well off and can afford to purchase and hang Banksy prints without a thought. These people should perhaps be mindful that not everyone is in this boat, far from it. I know for a fact that there are people who have won the print who struggled to find the £500 to make the initial purchase. For them, keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option. Winning the POW lottery was the equivalent of well, winning the lottery. When you have the choice of perhaps giving your children a nice Christmas or paying for a frame for a print then I know what I would choose. People need to live in the real world on here. The snobbishness is off the scale. I couldn't disagree more, either with you or with those who say stuff along the lines of: "I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print." Of course I have no idea of their intentions, but if they wanted to make charitable donations to help out struggling families they could have done so. What they did was sell a print by an artist whose work is normally unachievably expensive for all but a tiny few, for a price which, while hardly negligible, was achievable for many. It is my opinion - and I write as someone who got a print, rather than out of jealousy - that those who won the chance to buy it should hang it and enjoy it. If they were unable to afford it, they shoudn't have bought it. If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have bought it. It really is that simple. Of course the print's owners can now expect to sell it for *insert random large sum of money here* and most people's bank account would look a lot better with *random large sum of money* inside it, but anyone who sells it for a massively inflated price has also denied a Banksy fan who has never been able to afford his prints, who would have loved this print and framed it and enjoyed it, the chance to do so. And, whatever is motivating their sale, they should feel guilty about it. It is not snobbishness to think that the owners of this print, or of £10 Soup Can posters, should feel some kind of duty to those who sold them so cheaply. Whatever motivated POW, I think it's unlikely (and the delayed COA proves it) that what lay behind it all was a desire to make a hefty donation to your Christmas holiday fund. You say that "keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option", but this is an artwork, not a banknote, and one that was sold days ago for a fraction of that price. If all you see when you look at your Sale Ends is £15,000+, and all you see when you look at your Soup Cans is £800, you need to have a long, hard look at yourself. Sell the print now if you want - we've all got to make a living somehow - but spare me the sanctimonious justification and admit to yourself as you do so that you are a parasite, that your self-enrichment has a cost and furthermore that it is, surely, a direct affront to the intentions of the people who sold it to you. I think you proved his point. I saw ‘as someone who got a print’ and my eyes glazed over a little bit. Not sure what world you’ve been living in but the majority of banksy owners are the EXACT people who look at their prints and see the monetary value. I think you should get off the pedestal and think about criticizing them instead of the hypothetical lottery who may sell cause the value is 10x they make in a month. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by BKBOI on Nov 27, 2017 13:14:06 GMT 1, Everyone debating the price The condition Should i sell it to help my kids have a better life And me I'm still checking my emails
Everyone debating the price The condition Should i sell it to help my kids have a better life And me I'm still checking my emails Classic first world problems. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by Dive Jedi on Nov 27, 2017 13:46:09 GMT 1, There seems to be a large faction on this board that are extremely well off and can afford to purchase and hang Banksy prints without a thought. These people should perhaps be mindful that not everyone is in this boat, far from it. I know for a fact that there are people who have won the print who struggled to find the £500 to make the initial purchase. For them, keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option. Winning the POW lottery was the equivalent of well, winning the lottery. When you have the choice of perhaps giving your children a nice Christmas or paying for a frame for a print then I know what I would choose. People need to live in the real world on here. The snobbishness is off the scale. I couldn't disagree more, either with you or with those who say stuff along the lines of: "I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print." Of course I have no idea of their intentions, but if they wanted to make charitable donations to help out struggling families they could have done so. What they did was sell a print by an artist whose work is normally unachievably expensive for all but a tiny few, for a price which, while hardly negligible, was achievable for many. It is my opinion - and I write as someone who got a print, rather than out of jealousy - that those who won the chance to buy it should hang it and enjoy it. If they were unable to afford it, they shoudn't have bought it. If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have bought it. It really is that simple. Of course the print's owners can now expect to sell it for *insert random large sum of money here* and most people's bank account would look a lot better with *random large sum of money* inside it, but anyone who sells it for a massively inflated price has also denied a Banksy fan who has never been able to afford his prints, who would have loved this print and framed it and enjoyed it, the chance to do so. And, whatever is motivating their sale, they should feel guilty about it. It is not snobbishness to think that the owners of this print, or of £10 Soup Can posters, should feel some kind of duty to those who sold them so cheaply. Whatever motivated POW, I think it's unlikely (and the delayed COA proves it) that what lay behind it all was a desire to make a hefty donation to your Christmas holiday fund. You say that "keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option", but this is an artwork, not a banknote, and one that was sold days ago for a fraction of that price. If all you see when you look at your Sale Ends is £15,000+, and all you see when you look at your Soup Cans is £800, you need to have a long, hard look at yourself. Sell the print now if you want - we've all got to make a living somehow - but spare me the sanctimonious justification and admit to yourself as you do so that you are a parasite, that your self-enrichment has a cost and furthermore that it is, surely, a direct affront to the intentions of the people who sold it to you.
If ever you are ready for something new on your wall and you will your Sale Ends at cost.
But that's not going to happen, is it......
If ever you will be in financial trouble for some reason (I hope you will never be)
you will sell your print for 20K and feel very happy you won.
Last time I checked it's a free country, everyone could join the lottery.
And if you won it's yours and are free to do with it what you want. Simple as that.
The rest is..... opinion.
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your favourite parasite
There seems to be a large faction on this board that are extremely well off and can afford to purchase and hang Banksy prints without a thought. These people should perhaps be mindful that not everyone is in this boat, far from it. I know for a fact that there are people who have won the print who struggled to find the £500 to make the initial purchase. For them, keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option. Winning the POW lottery was the equivalent of well, winning the lottery. When you have the choice of perhaps giving your children a nice Christmas or paying for a frame for a print then I know what I would choose. People need to live in the real world on here. The snobbishness is off the scale. I couldn't disagree more, either with you or with those who say stuff along the lines of: "I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print." Of course I have no idea of their intentions, but if they wanted to make charitable donations to help out struggling families they could have done so. What they did was sell a print by an artist whose work is normally unachievably expensive for all but a tiny few, for a price which, while hardly negligible, was achievable for many. It is my opinion - and I write as someone who got a print, rather than out of jealousy - that those who won the chance to buy it should hang it and enjoy it. If they were unable to afford it, they shoudn't have bought it. If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have bought it. It really is that simple. Of course the print's owners can now expect to sell it for *insert random large sum of money here* and most people's bank account would look a lot better with *random large sum of money* inside it, but anyone who sells it for a massively inflated price has also denied a Banksy fan who has never been able to afford his prints, who would have loved this print and framed it and enjoyed it, the chance to do so. And, whatever is motivating their sale, they should feel guilty about it. It is not snobbishness to think that the owners of this print, or of £10 Soup Can posters, should feel some kind of duty to those who sold them so cheaply. Whatever motivated POW, I think it's unlikely (and the delayed COA proves it) that what lay behind it all was a desire to make a hefty donation to your Christmas holiday fund. You say that "keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option", but this is an artwork, not a banknote, and one that was sold days ago for a fraction of that price. If all you see when you look at your Sale Ends is £15,000+, and all you see when you look at your Soup Cans is £800, you need to have a long, hard look at yourself. Sell the print now if you want - we've all got to make a living somehow - but spare me the sanctimonious justification and admit to yourself as you do so that you are a parasite, that your self-enrichment has a cost and furthermore that it is, surely, a direct affront to the intentions of the people who sold it to you. I would totally agree with you. If ever you are ready for something new on your wall and you will your Sale Ends at cost. But that's not going to happen, is it...... If ever you will be in financial trouble for some reason (I hope you will never be) you will sell your print for 20K and feel very happy you won. Last time I checked it's a free country, everyone could join the lottery. And if you won it's yours and are free to do with it what you want. Simple as that. The rest is..... opinion. Best regards, your favourite parasite |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by oldraver on Nov 27, 2017 13:57:12 GMT 1, There seems to be a large faction on this board that are extremely well off and can afford to purchase and hang Banksy prints without a thought. These people should perhaps be mindful that not everyone is in this boat, far from it. I know for a fact that there are people who have won the print who struggled to find the £500 to make the initial purchase. For them, keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option. Winning the POW lottery was the equivalent of well, winning the lottery. When you have the choice of perhaps giving your children a nice Christmas or paying for a frame for a print then I know what I would choose. People need to live in the real world on here. The snobbishness is off the scale. I couldn't disagree more, either with you or with those who say stuff along the lines of: "I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print." Of course I have no idea of their intentions, but if they wanted to make charitable donations to help out struggling families they could have done so. What they did was sell a print by an artist whose work is normally unachievably expensive for all but a tiny few, for a price which, while hardly negligible, was achievable for many. It is my opinion - and I write as someone who got a print, rather than out of jealousy - that those who won the chance to buy it should hang it and enjoy it. If they were unable to afford it, they shoudn't have bought it. If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have bought it. It really is that simple.Of course the print's owners can now expect to sell it for *insert random large sum of money here* and most people's bank account would look a lot better with *random large sum of money* inside it, but anyone who sells it for a massively inflated price has also denied a Banksy fan who has never been able to afford his prints, who would have loved this print and framed it and enjoyed it, the chance to do so. And, whatever is motivating their sale, they should feel guilty about it. It is not snobbishness to think that the owners of this print, or of £10 Soup Can posters, should feel some kind of duty to those who sold them so cheaply. Whatever motivated POW, I think it's unlikely (and the delayed COA proves it) that what lay behind it all was a desire to make a hefty donation to your Christmas holiday fund. You say that "keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option", but this is an artwork, not a banknote, and one that was sold days ago for a fraction of that price. If all you see when you look at your Sale Ends is £15,000+, and all you see when you look at your Soup Cans is £800, you need to have a long, hard look at yourself. Sell the print now if you want - we've all got to make a living somehow - but spare me the sanctimonious justification and admit to yourself as you do so that you are a parasite, that your self-enrichment has a cost and furthermore that it is, surely, a direct affront to the intentions of the people who sold it to you.
I think you are wrong, are you right to justify how others spend their money, and for what reason they do.
As stated previously, this to some people is like winning the lottery, its a gamble its and addiction and it was free to enter, are you honestly saying that you can only enter a lottery if you know how to spend to money correctly, based on your clearly knowledgable judgement of other entrants from behind a keyboard.
Im not going to judge you all i have done is make an observation, you have made some very bold statements.
If somebody wants to enter this lottery win a banksy and scrape together/ borrow the funds to purchase it, then to sell it for ex amount and better their lives,( be it a deposit on a house, a holiday of a lifetime or a car to open prospects or jobs) then i say well done to them then that is not for you to judge I'm afraid,
You have made the above bold comments, not POW.
self en-richment has a cost? You have to make your own luck in life, if you want something in life you have to go and get it.
There seems to be a large faction on this board that are extremely well off and can afford to purchase and hang Banksy prints without a thought. These people should perhaps be mindful that not everyone is in this boat, far from it. I know for a fact that there are people who have won the print who struggled to find the £500 to make the initial purchase. For them, keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option. Winning the POW lottery was the equivalent of well, winning the lottery. When you have the choice of perhaps giving your children a nice Christmas or paying for a frame for a print then I know what I would choose. People need to live in the real world on here. The snobbishness is off the scale. I couldn't disagree more, either with you or with those who say stuff along the lines of: "I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print." Of course I have no idea of their intentions, but if they wanted to make charitable donations to help out struggling families they could have done so. What they did was sell a print by an artist whose work is normally unachievably expensive for all but a tiny few, for a price which, while hardly negligible, was achievable for many. It is my opinion - and I write as someone who got a print, rather than out of jealousy - that those who won the chance to buy it should hang it and enjoy it. If they were unable to afford it, they shoudn't have bought it. If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have bought it. It really is that simple.Of course the print's owners can now expect to sell it for *insert random large sum of money here* and most people's bank account would look a lot better with *random large sum of money* inside it, but anyone who sells it for a massively inflated price has also denied a Banksy fan who has never been able to afford his prints, who would have loved this print and framed it and enjoyed it, the chance to do so. And, whatever is motivating their sale, they should feel guilty about it. It is not snobbishness to think that the owners of this print, or of £10 Soup Can posters, should feel some kind of duty to those who sold them so cheaply. Whatever motivated POW, I think it's unlikely (and the delayed COA proves it) that what lay behind it all was a desire to make a hefty donation to your Christmas holiday fund. You say that "keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option", but this is an artwork, not a banknote, and one that was sold days ago for a fraction of that price. If all you see when you look at your Sale Ends is £15,000+, and all you see when you look at your Soup Cans is £800, you need to have a long, hard look at yourself. Sell the print now if you want - we've all got to make a living somehow - but spare me the sanctimonious justification and admit to yourself as you do so that you are a parasite, that your self-enrichment has a cost and furthermore that it is, surely, a direct affront to the intentions of the people who sold it to you. I think you are wrong, are you right to justify how others spend their money, and for what reason they do. As stated previously, this to some people is like winning the lottery, its a gamble its and addiction and it was free to enter, are you honestly saying that you can only enter a lottery if you know how to spend to money correctly, based on your clearly knowledgable judgement of other entrants from behind a keyboard. Im not going to judge you all i have done is make an observation, you have made some very bold statements. If somebody wants to enter this lottery win a banksy and scrape together/ borrow the funds to purchase it, then to sell it for ex amount and better their lives,( be it a deposit on a house, a holiday of a lifetime or a car to open prospects or jobs) then i say well done to them then that is not for you to judge I'm afraid, You have made the above bold comments, not POW. self en-richment has a cost? You have to make your own luck in life, if you want something in life you have to go and get it. |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by rparducci on Nov 27, 2017 14:04:30 GMT 1, I couldn't disagree more, either with you or with those who say stuff along the lines of: "I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print." Of course I have no idea of their intentions, but if they wanted to make charitable donations to help out struggling families they could have done so. What they did was sell a print by an artist whose work is normally unachievably expensive for all but a tiny few, for a price which, while hardly negligible, was achievable for many. It is my opinion - and I write as someone who got a print, rather than out of jealousy - that those who won the chance to buy it should hang it and enjoy it. If they were unable to afford it, they shoudn't have bought it. If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have bought it. It really is that simple. Of course the print's owners can now expect to sell it for *insert random large sum of money here* and most people's bank account would look a lot better with *random large sum of money* inside it, but anyone who sells it for a massively inflated price has also denied a Banksy fan who has never been able to afford his prints, who would have loved this print and framed it and enjoyed it, the chance to do so. And, whatever is motivating their sale, they should feel guilty about it. It is not snobbishness to think that the owners of this print, or of £10 Soup Can posters, should feel some kind of duty to those who sold them so cheaply. Whatever motivated POW, I think it's unlikely (and the delayed COA proves it) that what lay behind it all was a desire to make a hefty donation to your Christmas holiday fund. You say that "keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option", but this is an artwork, not a banknote, and one that was sold days ago for a fraction of that price. If all you see when you look at your Sale Ends is £15,000+, and all you see when you look at your Soup Cans is £800, you need to have a long, hard look at yourself. Sell the print now if you want - we've all got to make a living somehow - but spare me the sanctimonious justification and admit to yourself as you do so that you are a parasite, that your self-enrichment has a cost and furthermore that it is, surely, a direct affront to the intentions of the people who sold it to you. I would totally agree with you. If ever you are ready for something new on your wall and you will your Sale Ends at cost. But that's not going to happen, is it...... If ever you will be in financial trouble for some reason (I hope you will never be) you will sell your print for 20K and feel very happy you won. Last time I checked it's a free country, everyone could join the lottery. And if you won it's yours and are free to do with it what you want. Simple as that. The rest is..... opinion. Best regards, your favourite parasite +1 What this guy said! Talking about parasites, how about people buying companies for pennies, firing everyone and selling the chunks for a healthy profit , or bankers , or day traders , or currency especulators ..?
I couldn't disagree more, either with you or with those who say stuff along the lines of: "I’m sure the guys at pow would be happy to know they helped a family out by choosing them to win a print." Of course I have no idea of their intentions, but if they wanted to make charitable donations to help out struggling families they could have done so. What they did was sell a print by an artist whose work is normally unachievably expensive for all but a tiny few, for a price which, while hardly negligible, was achievable for many. It is my opinion - and I write as someone who got a print, rather than out of jealousy - that those who won the chance to buy it should hang it and enjoy it. If they were unable to afford it, they shoudn't have bought it. If they didn't like it, they shouldn't have bought it. It really is that simple. Of course the print's owners can now expect to sell it for *insert random large sum of money here* and most people's bank account would look a lot better with *random large sum of money* inside it, but anyone who sells it for a massively inflated price has also denied a Banksy fan who has never been able to afford his prints, who would have loved this print and framed it and enjoyed it, the chance to do so. And, whatever is motivating their sale, they should feel guilty about it. It is not snobbishness to think that the owners of this print, or of £10 Soup Can posters, should feel some kind of duty to those who sold them so cheaply. Whatever motivated POW, I think it's unlikely (and the delayed COA proves it) that what lay behind it all was a desire to make a hefty donation to your Christmas holiday fund. You say that "keeping a print worth £15,000+ is simply not an option", but this is an artwork, not a banknote, and one that was sold days ago for a fraction of that price. If all you see when you look at your Sale Ends is £15,000+, and all you see when you look at your Soup Cans is £800, you need to have a long, hard look at yourself. Sell the print now if you want - we've all got to make a living somehow - but spare me the sanctimonious justification and admit to yourself as you do so that you are a parasite, that your self-enrichment has a cost and furthermore that it is, surely, a direct affront to the intentions of the people who sold it to you. I would totally agree with you. If ever you are ready for something new on your wall and you will your Sale Ends at cost. But that's not going to happen, is it...... If ever you will be in financial trouble for some reason (I hope you will never be) you will sell your print for 20K and feel very happy you won. Last time I checked it's a free country, everyone could join the lottery. And if you won it's yours and are free to do with it what you want. Simple as that. The rest is..... opinion. Best regards, your favourite parasite +1 What this guy said! Talking about parasites, how about people buying companies for pennies, firing everyone and selling the chunks for a healthy profit , or bankers , or day traders , or currency especulators ..? |
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Banksy • Sale Ends Today, by loother on Nov 27, 2017 14:04:51 GMT 1, If ever you will be in financial trouble for some reason (I hope you will never be) you will sell your print for 20K and feel very happy you won. Last time I checked it's a free country, everyone could join the lottery. And if you won it's yours and are free to do with it what you want. Simple as that. The rest is..... opinion. Best regards, your favourite parasite
If ever you will be in financial trouble for some reason (I hope you will never be) you will sell your print for 20K and feel very happy you won. Last time I checked it's a free country, everyone could join the lottery. And if you won it's yours and are free to do with it what you want. Simple as that. The rest is..... opinion. Best regards, your favourite parasite I think I probably went a little over the top with my moralising. I like high horses. Everyone is of course free to do what they want with their prints. Indeed, due to partly Banksy-inflicted poverty I'm currently preparing to sell one that I bought only a few months ago, and hope to make a profit. Needs must, and all that. But I think it takes some bizarre mind-contortion to settle on the belief that the artist concerned would be happy about it. And I also think that the unusual circumstances surrounding some of the things POW have sold recently, priced considerably and deliberately under market value, does make their re-sale different from the average, common-or-garden flip. But hey, morals don't pay the bills, and who am I to judge? |
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