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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by Aubrey 245 on Dec 19, 2017 16:22:12 GMT 1, Pretty similar to the West Country Prince, right? Check on the 'bay and Facebook.
Pretty similar to the West Country Prince, right? Check on the 'bay and Facebook.
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by mushrooms on Dec 19, 2017 16:26:20 GMT 1, Hi Guys Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints? What are the rules with copyright?
Hi Guys Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints? What are the rules with copyright? no rules |
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by dani on Dec 19, 2017 16:36:03 GMT 1, Clearly copyright infringement.
Clearly copyright infringement.
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by artmonster on Dec 19, 2017 16:37:15 GMT 1, Copy-paste
Copy-paste
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by robo on Dec 19, 2017 16:37:52 GMT 1, You'd be founding a gallery with an immediate reputation for copyright theft and fraud, which wouldn't be a good look.
You'd be founding a gallery with an immediate reputation for copyright theft and fraud, which wouldn't be a good look.
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by artmonster on Dec 19, 2017 16:41:58 GMT 1, Just because he does not take action NOW, does not mean it is:
- legal
- a given he might not take action in the future
Just because he does not take action NOW, does not mean it is:
- legal
- a given he might not take action in the future
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by gd79 on Dec 19, 2017 16:44:04 GMT 1, Do the basic business costs include buying genuine prints go get the copies right?
To be honest, you can go to any market and find someone selling knocked off Banksy prints. They serve a purpose, and clearly some people buy them. No artist would want his/ her original prints alongside copies. So you'd probably end up with a pretty limited range of stock.
Do the basic business costs include buying genuine prints go get the copies right?
To be honest, you can go to any market and find someone selling knocked off Banksy prints. They serve a purpose, and clearly some people buy them. No artist would want his/ her original prints alongside copies. So you'd probably end up with a pretty limited range of stock.
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by dani on Dec 19, 2017 16:47:46 GMT 1, Clearly copyright infringement. Yeah clearly. But it's more complicated than that with Banksy isn't it? Does he go after people selling reproductions of his work? If the creator of the art doesn't give as**t how it's used then is it illegal?
Whether Banksy would enforce his rights is a different question. But yes, it is illegal.
Also, as someone noted above, it's not exactly a good look for someone trying to create the next POW. You would have zero credibility.
Clearly copyright infringement. Yeah clearly. But it's more complicated than that with Banksy isn't it? Does he go after people selling reproductions of his work? If the creator of the art doesn't give as**t how it's used then is it illegal? Whether Banksy would enforce his rights is a different question. But yes, it is illegal. Also, as someone noted above, it's not exactly a good look for someone trying to create the next POW. You would have zero credibility. |
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by guillermodeltriscuit on Dec 19, 2017 16:47:49 GMT 1, Can somebody who understands this concept please contribute? I wouldn't be looking to personally gain from selling these screen prints. Yes I would use the profits to keep a tiny urban art gallery running but anything above a beyond that would be given to charity. Win Win Win 1. One more gallery supporting urban art 2. More banksys on people walls 3. Money being generated to help charities
Can somebody who understands this concept please contribute? I wouldn't be looking to personally gain from selling these screen prints. Yes I would use the profits to keep a tiny urban art gallery running but anything above a beyond that would be given to charity. Win Win Win 1. One more gallery supporting urban art 2. More banksys on people walls 3. Money being generated to help charities Many places will not print them, but you can find places that do. Banksy will have to reveal his identity in order to sue you, so that is your protection. Once he is outed, expect lawsuits. |
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by artmonster on Dec 19, 2017 16:47:55 GMT 1, The word “charity” does not mean law does not apply to you
The word “charity” does not mean law does not apply to you
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by Rouen Cathedral on Dec 19, 2017 16:49:01 GMT 1, Enters thread... leaves thread...
Enters thread... leaves thread...
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by guillermodeltriscuit on Dec 19, 2017 16:50:28 GMT 1, Can somebody who understands this concept please contribute? I wouldn't be looking to personally gain from selling these screen prints. Yes I would use the profits to keep a tiny urban art gallery running but anything above a beyond that would be given to charity. Win Win Win 1. One more gallery supporting urban art 2. More banksys on people walls 3. Money being generated to help charities
Can somebody who understands this concept please contribute? I wouldn't be looking to personally gain from selling these screen prints. Yes I would use the profits to keep a tiny urban art gallery running but anything above a beyond that would be given to charity. Win Win Win 1. One more gallery supporting urban art 2. More banksys on people walls 3. Money being generated to help charities Even with those intentions, I would steer clear away from your gallery for the very reason that you make unauthorized copies. Who's to say that you wouldn't make copies of other artists as well. (not an accusation, that's just the mindset) There would always be doubt. |
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by artmonster on Dec 19, 2017 16:54:58 GMT 1, Baldwin, everyone makes their own choices. If you are happy to face the potential consequences, you don’t need anyone’s blessing. Good luck with your new venture
Baldwin, everyone makes their own choices. If you are happy to face the potential consequences, you don’t need anyone’s blessing. Good luck with your new venture
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by Pysgod on Dec 19, 2017 16:56:32 GMT 1, I think you are on to a loser straight away TBH
I think you are on to a loser straight away TBH
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by Inknart on Dec 19, 2017 16:56:53 GMT 1, Even with those intentions, I would steer clear away from your gallery for the very reason that you make unauthorized copies. Who's to say that you wouldn't make copies of other artists as well. (not an accusation, that's just the mindset) There would always be doubt. Understood. No I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't create unauthorized copies of anyone's work.
Even with those intentions, I would steer clear away from your gallery for the very reason that you make unauthorized copies. Who's to say that you wouldn't make copies of other artists as well. (not an accusation, that's just the mindset) There would always be doubt. Understood. No I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't create unauthorized copies of anyone's work. If a company like Medicom can steal and profit, I'm sure anyone can. |
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by mushrooms on Dec 19, 2017 16:58:54 GMT 1, Understood. No I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't create unauthorized copies of anyone's work. If a company like Medicom can steal and profit, I'm sure anyone can.
Understood. No I wouldn't do that. I wouldn't create unauthorized copies of anyone's work. If a company like Medicom can steal and profit, I'm sure anyone can. this |
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by cizza19 on Dec 19, 2017 16:59:14 GMT 1, surely you would have more long term success trying to find emerging artists and offering to do high quality screen print work for them in exchange for the right to sell 50% of the prints each (or a similar arrangement)
I know I personally wouldnt spend much (if anything) on an unauthorized Banksy print
surely you would have more long term success trying to find emerging artists and offering to do high quality screen print work for them in exchange for the right to sell 50% of the prints each (or a similar arrangement)
I know I personally wouldnt spend much (if anything) on an unauthorized Banksy print
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by adewilliams on Dec 19, 2017 17:02:20 GMT 1, What's the saying – "Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission".
I see there's a West Country Prince (After Banksy) GWB on Artsy now with a bid of $850, you have to laugh really
What's the saying – "Easier to ask for forgiveness than permission".
I see there's a West Country Prince (After Banksy) GWB on Artsy now with a bid of $850, you have to laugh really
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by adewilliams on Dec 19, 2017 17:04:03 GMT 1, Also, it would be easier and more fun to make an original stencil than go to the trouble and cost of getting screens made up for printing.
Also, it would be easier and more fun to make an original stencil than go to the trouble and cost of getting screens made up for printing.
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by Happy Shopper on Dec 19, 2017 17:07:41 GMT 1, What you're proposing isn't a gallery, it's a Camden Market stall.
You can buy Banksy copies all day long, on t-shirts, mugs, canvases. No shortage on ebay either.
Why would you think you'd be able to run a gallery selling them?
If you do want to sell copies, just make sure they're marked as copies (as WCP). Banksy and POW did go after people selling fakes before, and took them to court.
What you're proposing isn't a gallery, it's a Camden Market stall.
You can buy Banksy copies all day long, on t-shirts, mugs, canvases. No shortage on ebay either.
Why would you think you'd be able to run a gallery selling them?
If you do want to sell copies, just make sure they're marked as copies (as WCP). Banksy and POW did go after people selling fakes before, and took them to court.
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by dani on Dec 19, 2017 17:07:55 GMT 1, Baldwin, everyone makes their own choices. If you are happy to face the potential consequences, you don’t need anyone’s blessing. Good luck with your new venture Thank you very much. I'm hoping some people can read between the lines a bit (no disrespect to anyone else). Although it seems like it, this isn't about actually about making lot's of money and commercialism.
You've said that several times, but you don't seem to want to hear what everyone is saying in response: no one cares whether it's about charity or profit. There is no way you're going to build a reputable gallery on a foundation of fake Banksy prints. If you really care about art, go out and put the time and effort in. Find artists you believe in and take a chance on them. A gallery selling fake Banksy prints will just look like a joke.
Baldwin, everyone makes their own choices. If you are happy to face the potential consequences, you don’t need anyone’s blessing. Good luck with your new venture Thank you very much. I'm hoping some people can read between the lines a bit (no disrespect to anyone else). Although it seems like it, this isn't about actually about making lot's of money and commercialism. You've said that several times, but you don't seem to want to hear what everyone is saying in response: no one cares whether it's about charity or profit. There is no way you're going to build a reputable gallery on a foundation of fake Banksy prints. If you really care about art, go out and put the time and effort in. Find artists you believe in and take a chance on them. A gallery selling fake Banksy prints will just look like a joke. |
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by Chris JL on Dec 19, 2017 17:09:24 GMT 1, Galleries out there can charge a premium, and survive based on that, only thanks to their reputation.
You want instead to finance your gallery with an activity that will give you the worst possible reputation in this line of business - the one of the fakes peddler (and potentially subject you to legal damnation).
Ill-conceived idea if you ask me.
Galleries out there can charge a premium, and survive based on that, only thanks to their reputation.
You want instead to finance your gallery with an activity that will give you the worst possible reputation in this line of business - the one of the fakes peddler (and potentially subject you to legal damnation).
Ill-conceived idea if you ask me.
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by dave4 on Dec 19, 2017 17:09:52 GMT 1, Can somebody who understands this concept please contribute? I wouldn't be looking to personally gain from selling these screen prints. Yes I would use the profits to keep a tiny urban art gallery running but anything above a beyond that would be given to charity. Win Win Win 1. One more gallery supporting urban art 2. More banksys on people walls 3. Money being generated to help charities
I would not buy unsigned work regardless because my expectation it that it IS counterfeit. I do not want to mix fake with real on my walls, it cheapens the entire collection. With that said, many people don't care and buy counterfeit art, just look at all the Banksy for sell from China.
My recommendation; You should create your own art and sell it here, if it is good and priced right, it will sell. Or do the Mr. Brainwash and hire some art students from a local school and use their art and you sign it. The best idea may be to get some of those art students to come up with art, choose the best few and print it for them, giving them credit, havd them signing it, and pay them a commission on what sell. Who knows, you may inspire the next Banksy.
Can somebody who understands this concept please contribute? I wouldn't be looking to personally gain from selling these screen prints. Yes I would use the profits to keep a tiny urban art gallery running but anything above a beyond that would be given to charity. Win Win Win 1. One more gallery supporting urban art 2. More banksys on people walls 3. Money being generated to help charities I would not buy unsigned work regardless because my expectation it that it IS counterfeit. I do not want to mix fake with real on my walls, it cheapens the entire collection. With that said, many people don't care and buy counterfeit art, just look at all the Banksy for sell from China. My recommendation; You should create your own art and sell it here, if it is good and priced right, it will sell. Or do the Mr. Brainwash and hire some art students from a local school and use their art and you sign it. The best idea may be to get some of those art students to come up with art, choose the best few and print it for them, giving them credit, havd them signing it, and pay them a commission on what sell. Who knows, you may inspire the next Banksy. |
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by chr1s on Dec 19, 2017 17:11:07 GMT 1, You know the answer yet you keep asking the same question over and over hoping others will justify what is clearly an unethical action. And you also keep contradicting yourself.
You're planning to start a gallery to sell the works of other artists.....yet you seem to think it's okay to steal the image of another artist. There is no integrity in that action.
You state "I wouldn't be looking to personally gain from selling these screen prints." Of course you GAIN by selling the prints. You hope to GAIN an operating gallery at no expense to you. You're attempting to fund the running of a gallery with these profits. How is that not a gain? This is wrong on so many levels and I think you know it.
You state, "I wouldn't create unauthorized copies of anyone's work." Come on, really?!?!? You just started a thread asking if it was okay to do just that.
You know the answer yet you keep asking the same question over and over hoping others will justify what is clearly an unethical action. And you also keep contradicting yourself.
You're planning to start a gallery to sell the works of other artists.....yet you seem to think it's okay to steal the image of another artist. There is no integrity in that action.
You state "I wouldn't be looking to personally gain from selling these screen prints." Of course you GAIN by selling the prints. You hope to GAIN an operating gallery at no expense to you. You're attempting to fund the running of a gallery with these profits. How is that not a gain? This is wrong on so many levels and I think you know it.
You state, "I wouldn't create unauthorized copies of anyone's work." Come on, really?!?!? You just started a thread asking if it was okay to do just that.
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by cizza19 on Dec 19, 2017 17:13:04 GMT 1, surely you would have more long term success trying to find emerging artists and offering to do high quality screen print work for them in exchange for the right to sell 50% of the prints each (or a similar arrangement) I know I personally wouldnt spend much (if anything) on an unauthorized Banksy print Yea this is what I intend doing. The banksys will hopefully just be a way of protecting the bottom line so I don't close down.
I can buy non authentic Banksy art all over London
surely you would have more long term success trying to find emerging artists and offering to do high quality screen print work for them in exchange for the right to sell 50% of the prints each (or a similar arrangement) I know I personally wouldnt spend much (if anything) on an unauthorized Banksy print Yea this is what I intend doing. The banksys will hopefully just be a way of protecting the bottom line so I don't close down. but who would want one of these "Banksys"? assuming you're transparent that they're not authentic who would spend more than £30 on one? I can buy non authentic Banksy art all over London |
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by gd79 on Dec 19, 2017 17:13:31 GMT 1, surely you would have more long term success trying to find emerging artists and offering to do high quality screen print work for them in exchange for the right to sell 50% of the prints each (or a similar arrangement) I know I personally wouldnt spend much (if anything) on an unauthorized Banksy print Yea this is what I intend doing. The banksys will hopefully just be a way of protecting the bottom line so I don't close down.
But you won't protect the bottom line much if you churn out prints that no-one wants to buy. I think Banksy prints are easy enough to find that if anyone wants a bomb hugger on their wall they can find it easily from multiple sources. I think you would struggle to sell enough to cover the costs.
More interesting would be a small retainer from a limited group of customers to get first placement rights. If you posted up a list of 5-6 emerging artists and then charged an annual subscription to get guaranteed access to the prints (or, say, an upgrade to hand finished editing) that would be different. Riding on Banksy prints to fund your running costs won't endear you to artists or collectors, as others have mentioned.
surely you would have more long term success trying to find emerging artists and offering to do high quality screen print work for them in exchange for the right to sell 50% of the prints each (or a similar arrangement) I know I personally wouldnt spend much (if anything) on an unauthorized Banksy print Yea this is what I intend doing. The banksys will hopefully just be a way of protecting the bottom line so I don't close down. But you won't protect the bottom line much if you churn out prints that no-one wants to buy. I think Banksy prints are easy enough to find that if anyone wants a bomb hugger on their wall they can find it easily from multiple sources. I think you would struggle to sell enough to cover the costs. More interesting would be a small retainer from a limited group of customers to get first placement rights. If you posted up a list of 5-6 emerging artists and then charged an annual subscription to get guaranteed access to the prints (or, say, an upgrade to hand finished editing) that would be different. Riding on Banksy prints to fund your running costs won't endear you to artists or collectors, as others have mentioned. |
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by nobokov on Dec 19, 2017 17:31:39 GMT 1, You know the answer yet you keep asking the same question over and over hoping others will justify what is clearly an unethical action. And you also keep contradicting yourself. You're planning to start a gallery to sell the works of other artists.....yet you seem to think it's okay to steal the image of another artist. There is no integrity in that action. You state "I wouldn't be looking to personally gain from selling these screen prints." Of course you GAIN by selling the prints. You hope to GAIN an operating gallery at no expense to you. You're attempting to fund the running of a gallery with these profits. How is that not a gain? This is wrong on so many levels and I think you know it. You state, "I wouldn't create unauthorized copies of anyone's work." Come on, really?!?!? You just started a thread asking if it was okay to do just that. I do understand what you're saying. I really do. I will gain yes. I will gain a gallery. But in me gaining, a lot of other people will also gain, trust me.
You know the answer yet you keep asking the same question over and over hoping others will justify what is clearly an unethical action. And you also keep contradicting yourself. You're planning to start a gallery to sell the works of other artists.....yet you seem to think it's okay to steal the image of another artist. There is no integrity in that action. You state "I wouldn't be looking to personally gain from selling these screen prints." Of course you GAIN by selling the prints. You hope to GAIN an operating gallery at no expense to you. You're attempting to fund the running of a gallery with these profits. How is that not a gain? This is wrong on so many levels and I think you know it. You state, "I wouldn't create unauthorized copies of anyone's work." Come on, really?!?!? You just started a thread asking if it was okay to do just that. I do understand what you're saying. I really do. I will gain yes. I will gain a gallery. But in me gaining, a lot of other people will also gain, trust me. Why is that when anyone says, "trust me," I immediately distrust them? |
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by Aubrey 245 on Dec 19, 2017 17:34:12 GMT 1, The word “charity” does not mean law does not apply to you
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by moron on Dec 19, 2017 17:38:56 GMT 1, Charity only means something if it's a registered charity. Non profit doesn't mean it's a charity just a non profit thing like The Art Fund etc which sponsors millionaire artists usually.
Making and selling copies of Banksy won't earn you much credibility regarding doing a deal and making prints for other artists and selling them for the artists. They will be wondering what you are up to when their backs are turned.
Best way is to start out as you mean to go on.
Charity only means something if it's a registered charity. Non profit doesn't mean it's a charity just a non profit thing like The Art Fund etc which sponsors millionaire artists usually.
Making and selling copies of Banksy won't earn you much credibility regarding doing a deal and making prints for other artists and selling them for the artists. They will be wondering what you are up to when their backs are turned.
Best way is to start out as you mean to go on.
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Am I allowed to make and sell my own banksy screen prints?, by chr1s on Dec 19, 2017 17:39:28 GMT 1, You know the answer yet you keep asking the same question over and over hoping others will justify what is clearly an unethical action. And you also keep contradicting yourself. You're planning to start a gallery to sell the works of other artists.....yet you seem to think it's okay to steal the image of another artist. There is no integrity in that action. You state "I wouldn't be looking to personally gain from selling these screen prints." Of course you GAIN by selling the prints. You hope to GAIN an operating gallery at no expense to you. You're attempting to fund the running of a gallery with these profits. How is that not a gain? This is wrong on so many levels and I think you know it. You state, "I wouldn't create unauthorized copies of anyone's work." Come on, really?!?!? You just started a thread asking if it was okay to do just that. I do understand what you're saying. I really do. I will gain yes. I will gain a gallery. But in me gaining, a lot of other people will also gain, trust me.
You know the answer yet you keep asking the same question over and over hoping others will justify what is clearly an unethical action. And you also keep contradicting yourself. You're planning to start a gallery to sell the works of other artists.....yet you seem to think it's okay to steal the image of another artist. There is no integrity in that action. You state "I wouldn't be looking to personally gain from selling these screen prints." Of course you GAIN by selling the prints. You hope to GAIN an operating gallery at no expense to you. You're attempting to fund the running of a gallery with these profits. How is that not a gain? This is wrong on so many levels and I think you know it. You state, "I wouldn't create unauthorized copies of anyone's work." Come on, really?!?!? You just started a thread asking if it was okay to do just that. I do understand what you're saying. I really do. I will gain yes. I will gain a gallery. But in me gaining, a lot of other people will also gain, trust me. You can start a gallery or a business without funding it unethically. By doing it in the manner you propose you're setting the wrong tone. A gallery is a place that promotes artists....not exploits them. And exploiting one artist (even if he's a rich one) does not make it okay just because it could potentially benefit a lot of other artsits. |
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