iamzero
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by iamzero on Feb 9, 2018 17:01:47 GMT 1, Stick it in Phillips what?
Stick it in Phillips what?
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sohohoho
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by sohohoho on Feb 9, 2018 21:36:26 GMT 1, Jealous Gallery; David Shrigley - I Am Currently On Fire:
"NOTE: The numbered edition has now sold out. The last remaining prints are 10 numbered A/Ps. Please get in touch with any queries."
Jealous Gallery; David Shrigley - I Am Currently On Fire:
"NOTE: The numbered edition has now sold out. The last remaining prints are 10 numbered A/Ps. Please get in touch with any queries."
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Winter
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by Winter on Feb 11, 2018 10:22:20 GMT 1, Counter Editions are developing a habit of pricing their top tier above market value for a number of their artists. As a few people have mentioned you can get a Shrigley OG for less than their top tier. Their Katherine Bernhardt prints you can get a work on paper for the same price and their Jonas Wood topped out at way higher than any auction records.
At some point people are going to realise theyโve paid too much when the pieces go through auction at far less.
Counter Editions are developing a habit of pricing their top tier above market value for a number of their artists. As a few people have mentioned you can get a Shrigley OG for less than their top tier. Their Katherine Bernhardt prints you can get a work on paper for the same price and their Jonas Wood topped out at way higher than any auction records.
At some point people are going to realise theyโve paid too much when the pieces go through auction at far less.
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by Moniker Projects on Feb 11, 2018 10:31:41 GMT 1, Counter Editions are developing a habit of pricing their top tier above market value for a number of their artists. As a few people have mentioned you can get a Shrigley OG for less than their top tier. Their Katherine Bernhardt prints you can get a work on paper for the same price and their Jonas Wood topped out at way higher than any auction records. At some point people are going to realise theyโve paid too much when the pieces go through auction at far less.
If you are buying art for enjoyment rather than investment, does it really matter that you could possibly get it a year later at a lower price?
Counter Editions are developing a habit of pricing their top tier above market value for a number of their artists. As a few people have mentioned you can get a Shrigley OG for less than their top tier. Their Katherine Bernhardt prints you can get a work on paper for the same price and their Jonas Wood topped out at way higher than any auction records. At some point people are going to realise theyโve paid too much when the pieces go through auction at far less. I would imagine they have a wide-ranging client list that's probably against the norm for typical art galleries, and they know how to use it. You don't see the works coming up for sale on the secondary market very often. The type of client they are selling to probably doesn't worry about the fact they are paying a premium. If you are buying art for enjoyment rather than investment, does it really matter that you could possibly get it a year later at a lower price? |
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blerd
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by blerd on Feb 11, 2018 10:38:31 GMT 1, Counter Editions are developing a habit of pricing their top tier above market value for a number of their artists. As a few people have mentioned you can get a Shrigley OG for less than their top tier. Their Katherine Bernhardt prints you can get a work on paper for the same price and their Jonas Wood topped out at way higher than any auction records. At some point people are going to realise theyโve paid too much when the pieces go through auction at far less. I would imagine they have a wide-ranging client list that's probably against the norm for typical art galleries, and they know how to use it. You don't see the works coming up for sale on the secondary market very often. The type of client they are selling to probably doesn't worry about the fact they are paying a premium. If you are buying art for enjoyment rather than investment, does it really matter that you could possibly get it a year later at a lower price?
Counter Editions are developing a habit of pricing their top tier above market value for a number of their artists. As a few people have mentioned you can get a Shrigley OG for less than their top tier. Their Katherine Bernhardt prints you can get a work on paper for the same price and their Jonas Wood topped out at way higher than any auction records. At some point people are going to realise theyโve paid too much when the pieces go through auction at far less. I would imagine they have a wide-ranging client list that's probably against the norm for typical art galleries, and they know how to use it. You don't see the works coming up for sale on the secondary market very often. The type of client they are selling to probably doesn't worry about the fact they are paying a premium. If you are buying art for enjoyment rather than investment, does it really matter that you could possibly get it a year later at a lower price? I agree that they have a wide ranging and wealthy client list, but in my experience no one likes to lose money especially the wealthy. |
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by daniel3886 on Feb 11, 2018 11:27:35 GMT 1, I would imagine they have a wide-ranging client list that's probably against the norm for typical art galleries, and they know how to use it. You don't see the works coming up for sale on the secondary market very often. The type of client they are selling to probably doesn't worry about the fact they are paying a premium.ย If you are buying art for enjoyment rather than investment, does it really matter that you could possibly get it a year later at a lower price? I agree that they have a wide ranging and wealthy client list, but in my experience no one likes to lose money especially the wealthy.
I might be wrong but the Wood one sold out at ยฃ8k final tier, last sale on artnet was $19,200 inc fees.
I would imagine they have a wide-ranging client list that's probably against the norm for typical art galleries, and they know how to use it. You don't see the works coming up for sale on the secondary market very often. The type of client they are selling to probably doesn't worry about the fact they are paying a premium.ย If you are buying art for enjoyment rather than investment, does it really matter that you could possibly get it a year later at a lower price? I agree that they have a wide ranging and wealthy client list, but in my experience no one likes to lose money especially the wealthy. I might be wrong but the Wood one sold out at ยฃ8k final tier, last sale on artnet was $19,200 inc fees. |
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blerd
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by blerd on Feb 11, 2018 11:33:01 GMT 1, I agree that they have a wide ranging and wealthy client list, but in my experience no one likes to lose money especially the wealthy. I might be wrong but the Wood one sold out at ยฃ8k final tier, last sale on artnet was $19,200 inc fees.
I agree that they have a wide ranging and wealthy client list, but in my experience no one likes to lose money especially the wealthy. I might be wrong but the Wood one sold out at ยฃ8k final tier, last sale on artnet was $19,200 inc fees. Yes! CE and their customers know what they are doing. I think is a future classic Shrigley. I wouldn't be surprised if 6k looks a bargain a year from now. |
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by mrbagel on Feb 11, 2018 12:50:36 GMT 1, Additionally, for the very wealthy buying stuff like this will be their equivalent of grabbing a poster from Ikea. I highly doubt they will be giving even half a thought to its future value.
Additionally, for the very wealthy buying stuff like this will be their equivalent of grabbing a poster from Ikea. I highly doubt they will be giving even half a thought to its future value.
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Winter
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by Winter on Feb 11, 2018 16:04:19 GMT 1, Counter Editions are developing a habit of pricing their top tier above market value for a number of their artists. As a few people have mentioned you can get a Shrigley OG for less than their top tier. Their Katherine Bernhardt prints you can get a work on paper for the same price and their Jonas Wood topped out at way higher than any auction records. At some point people are going to realise theyโve paid too much when the pieces go through auction at far less. I would imagine they have a wide-ranging client list that's probably against the norm for typical art galleries, and they know how to use it. You don't see the works coming up for sale on the secondary market very often. The type of client they are selling to probably doesn't worry about the fact they are paying a premium.ย If you are buying art for enjoyment rather than investment, does it really matter that you could possibly get it a year later at a lower price?
So thatโs all right then?
Sounds like they are taking advantage to me regardless of whether the customer is buying for pleasure or investment - that is irrelevant. They have a responsibility to their customers. Lots of their editions appear on the secondary market, not sure why you think they donโt.
The effect this Shrigley release has had on his market is due to the fact they ramped up his prices beyond anything seen before and not based on anything apart from CE creating a false and manipulated market.
Counter Editions are developing a habit of pricing their top tier above market value for a number of their artists. As a few people have mentioned you can get a Shrigley OG for less than their top tier. Their Katherine Bernhardt prints you can get a work on paper for the same price and their Jonas Wood topped out at way higher than any auction records. At some point people are going to realise theyโve paid too much when the pieces go through auction at far less. I would imagine they have a wide-ranging client list that's probably against the norm for typical art galleries, and they know how to use it. You don't see the works coming up for sale on the secondary market very often. The type of client they are selling to probably doesn't worry about the fact they are paying a premium.ย If you are buying art for enjoyment rather than investment, does it really matter that you could possibly get it a year later at a lower price? So thatโs all right then? Sounds like they are taking advantage to me regardless of whether the customer is buying for pleasure or investment - that is irrelevant. They have a responsibility to their customers. Lots of their editions appear on the secondary market, not sure why you think they donโt. The effect this Shrigley release has had on his market is due to the fact they ramped up his prices beyond anything seen before and not based on anything apart from CE creating a false and manipulated market. |
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Winter
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by Winter on Feb 11, 2018 16:10:49 GMT 1, I agree that they have a wide ranging and wealthy client list, but in my experience no one likes to lose money especially the wealthy. I might be wrong but the Wood one sold out at ยฃ8k final tier, last sale on artnet was $19,200 inc fees.
Why does it say 18000 euros on their website then?
On release it finished at a higher price than any JW editions had sold for secondary at that time. Thatโs my point, not whatโs happened since.
I agree that they have a wide ranging and wealthy client list, but in my experience no one likes to lose money especially the wealthy. I might be wrong but the Wood one sold out at ยฃ8k final tier, last sale on artnet was $19,200 inc fees. Why does it say 18000 euros on their website then? On release it finished at a higher price than any JW editions had sold for secondary at that time. Thatโs my point, not whatโs happened since. |
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iamzero
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by iamzero on Feb 11, 2018 16:15:45 GMT 1, I was always under the impression that screen prints were the affordable version to let mere peasants like me enjoy art... that is until places like Cunter Editions start taking the piss. Let the rich fuckers stump up for originals and let us have the crumbs.
I was always under the impression that screen prints were the affordable version to let mere peasants like me enjoy art... that is until places like Cunter Editions start taking the piss. Let the rich fuckers stump up for originals and let us have the crumbs.
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by daniel3886 on Feb 11, 2018 17:10:42 GMT 1, I might be wrong but the Wood one sold out at ยฃ8k final tier, last sale on artnet was $19,200 inc fees. Why does it say 18000 euros on their website then? On release it finished at a higher price than any JW editions had sold for secondary at that time. Thatโs my point, not whatโs happened since.
I believe they either have a/pโs which they periodically offer at higher prices and/or they get works back from customers to sell which they take commission on. I enquiried and bought a Sam Taylor Wood Work after it had sold out. I think they also like to leave those prices for people googling their works to give them an idea of secondary values.
I might be wrong but the Wood one sold out at ยฃ8k final tier, last sale on artnet was $19,200 inc fees. Why does it say 18000 euros on their website then? On release it finished at a higher price than any JW editions had sold for secondary at that time. Thatโs my point, not whatโs happened since. I believe they either have a/pโs which they periodically offer at higher prices and/or they get works back from customers to sell which they take commission on. I enquiried and bought a Sam Taylor Wood Work after it had sold out. I think they also like to leave those prices for people googling their works to give them an idea of secondary values. |
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by Jaylove on Feb 11, 2018 17:12:52 GMT 1, I was always under the impression that screen prints were the affordable version to let mere peasants like me enjoy art... that is until places like Cunter Editions start taking the piss. Let the rich fuckers stump up for originals and let us have the crumbs.
I would agree there's a lot of price manipulation at play here.
I was always under the impression that screen prints were the affordable version to let mere peasants like me enjoy art... that is until places like Cunter Editions start taking the piss. Let the rich fuckers stump up for originals and let us have the crumbs. I would agree there's a lot of price manipulation at play here. |
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by Fuzzyduck121 on Feb 11, 2018 20:02:56 GMT 1, Aside from anyoneโs personal viewpoint on the content of the pieces I question the fact that any pricing tier on this print crosses price point with the last Harland miller from manifold...a polymer print with photo etching, block print and finishes with the all types of ink and techniques all done over an area twice the size and from an artist who has achieved superior auction results.... smells to me like counter are really really good at marketing shit to idiots
Say what you want about POW but they really did put the other printers out there to shame being able to produce affordable quality without giving way to greed and ego
Iโm not a huge shrigley fan and I do own the miller print in question so call me bias but Iโm pretty confident anyone who spends 5 or 6 grand on this piece either has a very thick mattress or an even thicker head
Take into account the kind of artist who releases editions at this price point and really consider if this piece and this artist sits alongside HM, richter and others
Just my thoughts really to keep this new shrigley forum alive
Aside from anyoneโs personal viewpoint on the content of the pieces I question the fact that any pricing tier on this print crosses price point with the last Harland miller from manifold...a polymer print with photo etching, block print and finishes with the all types of ink and techniques all done over an area twice the size and from an artist who has achieved superior auction results.... smells to me like counter are really really good at marketing shit to idiots
Say what you want about POW but they really did put the other printers out there to shame being able to produce affordable quality without giving way to greed and ego
Iโm not a huge shrigley fan and I do own the miller print in question so call me bias but Iโm pretty confident anyone who spends 5 or 6 grand on this piece either has a very thick mattress or an even thicker head
Take into account the kind of artist who releases editions at this price point and really consider if this piece and this artist sits alongside HM, richter and others
Just my thoughts really to keep this new shrigley forum alive
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Jaylove
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by Jaylove on Feb 11, 2018 20:21:12 GMT 1, Aside from anyoneโs personal viewpoint on the content of the pieces I question the fact that any pricing tier on this print crosses price point with the last Harland miller from manifold...a polymer print with photo etching, block print and finishes with the all types of ink and techniques all done over an area twice the size and from an artist who has achieved superior auction results.... smells to me like counter are really really good at marketings**t to idiots Say what you want about POW but they really did put the other printers out there to shame being able to produce affordable quality without giving way to greed and ego Iโm not a huge shrigley fan and I do own the miller print in question so call me bias but Iโm pretty confident anyone who spends 5 or 6 grand on this piece either has a very thick mattress or an even thicker head Take into account the kind of artist who releases editions at this price point and really consider if this piece and this artist sits alongside HM, richter and others Just my thoughts really to keep this new shrigley forum alive
Agree with everything you said, but to play Devil's Advocate maybe that's why POW is no longer here. After all this is a business and if "idiots" are buying up shit, then a business is going to exploit that. Some would say good business.
Aside from anyoneโs personal viewpoint on the content of the pieces I question the fact that any pricing tier on this print crosses price point with the last Harland miller from manifold...a polymer print with photo etching, block print and finishes with the all types of ink and techniques all done over an area twice the size and from an artist who has achieved superior auction results.... smells to me like counter are really really good at marketings**t to idiots Say what you want about POW but they really did put the other printers out there to shame being able to produce affordable quality without giving way to greed and ego Iโm not a huge shrigley fan and I do own the miller print in question so call me bias but Iโm pretty confident anyone who spends 5 or 6 grand on this piece either has a very thick mattress or an even thicker head Take into account the kind of artist who releases editions at this price point and really consider if this piece and this artist sits alongside HM, richter and others Just my thoughts really to keep this new shrigley forum alive Agree with everything you said, but to play Devil's Advocate maybe that's why POW is no longer here. After all this is a business and if "idiots" are buying up shit, then a business is going to exploit that. Some would say good business. |
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by thisisit on Feb 11, 2018 20:38:43 GMT 1, Take into account the kind of artist who releases editions at this price point and really consider if this piece and this artist sits alongside HM, richter and others Just my thoughts really to keep this new shrigley forum alive
HM sits no where near Richter. Thats a different party. (category is established artist)
It can be argued that DS is in the same league as HM. (category is emerging artists)
Take into account the kind of artist who releases editions at this price point and really consider if this piece and this artist sits alongside HM, richter and others Just my thoughts really to keep this new shrigley forum alive HM sits no where near Richter. Thats a different party. (category is established artist) It can be argued that DS is in the same league as HM. (category is emerging artists) |
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by whob1 on Feb 11, 2018 20:41:42 GMT 1, I think people who can afford Miller have thicker mattresses. For many its a big jump to pay 5000-6000gbp for something, to a Miller. And regardless of technique used, maybe not everyone like that orange intense color and prefer Be Nice. I would love to have Armagedon, but understand if people prefer Be Nice. Respect different taste, and what people want to pay for.
You can also argue that the Miller is a hype with the same arguments/tier releases. There are a lot of Miller works available at different galleries, but not many Life is Fantastic, Another Task, F Ace etc...
I think people who can afford Miller have thicker mattresses. For many its a big jump to pay 5000-6000gbp for something, to a Miller. And regardless of technique used, maybe not everyone like that orange intense color and prefer Be Nice. I would love to have Armagedon, but understand if people prefer Be Nice. Respect different taste, and what people want to pay for.
You can also argue that the Miller is a hype with the same arguments/tier releases. There are a lot of Miller works available at different galleries, but not many Life is Fantastic, Another Task, F Ace etc...
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by Eastend Boy 13 on Feb 12, 2018 11:30:45 GMT 1, Jealous Gallery; David Shrigley - I Am Currently On Fire: "NOTE: The numbered edition has now sold out. The last remaining prints are 10 numbered A/Ps. Please get in touch with any queries." 
Jealous Gallery; David Shrigley - I Am Currently On Fire: "NOTE: The numbered edition has now sold out. The last remaining prints are 10 numbered A/Ps. Please get in touch with any queries." At a new price of ยฃ2,500 |
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sohohoho
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by sohohoho on Feb 12, 2018 11:45:14 GMT 1, Jealous Gallery; David Shrigley - I Am Currently On Fire: "NOTE: The numbered edition has now sold out. The last remaining prints are 10 numbered A/Ps. Please get in touch with any queries." At a new price of ยฃ2,500
The last of the regular edition were ยฃ2,500 too.
Jealous Gallery; David Shrigley - I Am Currently On Fire: "NOTE: The numbered edition has now sold out. The last remaining prints are 10 numbered A/Ps. Please get in touch with any queries." At a new price of ยฃ2,500 The last of the regular edition were ยฃ2,500 too. |
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by lv90210 on Feb 12, 2018 11:46:52 GMT 1, moving market !!
moving market !!
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by Happy Shopper on Feb 12, 2018 14:20:29 GMT 1, At a new price of ยฃ2,500 The last of the regular edition were ยฃ2,500 too.
Last week the one on display in the north london shop was still priced at ยฃ1200!
At a new price of ยฃ2,500 The last of the regular edition were ยฃ2,500 too. Last week the one on display in the north london shop was still priced at ยฃ1200! |
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by sohohoho on Feb 12, 2018 14:25:52 GMT 1, The last of the regular edition were ยฃ2,500 too. Last week the one on display in the north london shop was still priced at ยฃ1200!
Yep. They were ยฃ1,200 until Thursday afternoon.
The last of the regular edition were ยฃ2,500 too. Last week the one on display in the north london shop was still priced at ยฃ1200! Yep. They were ยฃ1,200 until Thursday afternoon. |
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by nighthawk on Feb 12, 2018 14:28:18 GMT 1, Some deals to be had last week
Some deals to be had last week |
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by diarmid on Feb 12, 2018 16:04:18 GMT 1, I think people who can afford Miller have thicker mattresses. For many its a big jump to pay 5000-6000gbp for something, to a Miller. And regardless of technique used, maybe not everyone like that orange intense color and prefer Be Nice. I would love to have Armagedon, but understand if people prefer Be Nice. Respect different taste, and what people want to pay for. You can also argue that the Miller is a hype with the same arguments/tier releases. There are a lot of Miller works available at different galleries, but not many Life is Fantastic, Another Task, F Ace etc...
Fucking Ace
Another Task for you
Life is Fantastic
his best prints
I think people who can afford Miller have thicker mattresses. For many its a big jump to pay 5000-6000gbp for something, to a Miller. And regardless of technique used, maybe not everyone like that orange intense color and prefer Be Nice. I would love to have Armagedon, but understand if people prefer Be Nice. Respect different taste, and what people want to pay for. You can also argue that the Miller is a hype with the same arguments/tier releases. There are a lot of Miller works available at different galleries, but not many Life is Fantastic, Another Task, F Ace etc... Fucking Ace Another Task for you Life is Fantastic his best prints |
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by nighthawk on Feb 12, 2018 17:35:06 GMT 1, I'd say this one falls in-line with those as well.
I'd say this one falls in-line with those as well.
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by rosac on Feb 12, 2018 17:43:31 GMT 1, looks like Schafer Grafisk have sold a few more. the 'hydrant' and 'im so great' linocut prints gone up a tier...
Id imagine new print prices wont be around these levels so possibly last chance to grab sometihng at these prices?
For me 'Im so great' is decent for 470eur?
looks like Schafer Grafisk have sold a few more. the 'hydrant' and 'im so great' linocut prints gone up a tier...
Id imagine new print prices wont be around these levels so possibly last chance to grab sometihng at these prices?
For me 'Im so great' is decent for 470eur?
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by lv90210 on Feb 12, 2018 17:44:46 GMT 1, in the scheme of things its cheap.
in the scheme of things its cheap.
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by arthoarder on Feb 13, 2018 11:18:28 GMT 1, looks like Schafer Grafisk have sold a few more. the 'hydrant' and 'im so great' linocut prints gone up a tier... Id imagine new print prices wont be around these levels so possibly last chance to grab sometihng at these prices? For me 'Im so great' is decent for 470eur?
looks like Schafer Grafisk have sold a few more. the 'hydrant' and 'im so great' linocut prints gone up a tier... Id imagine new print prices wont be around these levels so possibly last chance to grab sometihng at these prices? For me 'Im so great' is decent for 470eur? 'I'm so great' is a good Shrigley print in my opinion - caught my eye in hangup a while ago |
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by Gurn on Feb 13, 2018 11:51:13 GMT 1, Have pulled the trigger on "I'm so great" and "You are not alone"..Think they'll look good as a pair.
Have pulled the trigger on "I'm so great" and "You are not alone"..Think they'll look good as a pair.
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David Shrigley - Be Nice, by lv90210 on Feb 13, 2018 12:01:22 GMT 1, Im so great is quality - Did you pay DKK 3.5k ?
Im so great is quality - Did you pay DKK 3.5k ?
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