brycepen
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Are the art galleries "flippers"? , by brycepen on Feb 18, 2018 23:21:10 GMT 1, I mean honestly, what IS the point? My confusion was a previous post was "The gallery listing makes no reference to the charity" whereas you said it was sold under the premise of a charity
Fair enough
I mean honestly, what IS the point? My confusion was a previous post was "The gallery listing makes no reference to the charity" whereas you said it was sold under the premise of a charity Fair enough
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moron
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Are the art galleries "flippers"? , by moron on Feb 19, 2018 0:22:24 GMT 1, Another thing to think about is do the Artist actually want a few selected high profile galleries to flip their work? Do Artists deliberately sell a few from editions to the Galleries knowing and wanting them to sell them straight away for vastly more than the original price? That type of thing helps the values of the Artists work for future releases, increases demand, and being associated with a few good galleries is a plus for the Artists profile. Depends on how serious the gallery is. Some artists are under contract an only sell through one gallery whilst others are not and smaller galleries sell whatever art they can get their hands on at the time.
There used to be a time when galleries built up a reputation and sold art to people who bought for the art. Nowadays it seems a lot sell art based on it's future investment potential.
Another thing to think about is do the Artist actually want a few selected high profile galleries to flip their work? Do Artists deliberately sell a few from editions to the Galleries knowing and wanting them to sell them straight away for vastly more than the original price? That type of thing helps the values of the Artists work for future releases, increases demand, and being associated with a few good galleries is a plus for the Artists profile. Depends on how serious the gallery is. Some artists are under contract an only sell through one gallery whilst others are not and smaller galleries sell whatever art they can get their hands on at the time. There used to be a time when galleries built up a reputation and sold art to people who bought for the art. Nowadays it seems a lot sell art based on it's future investment potential.
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moron
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Are the art galleries "flippers"? , by moron on Feb 19, 2018 0:24:49 GMT 1, im pretty sure, that at a recent phillips auction that a couple of pieces, notably julian opie and harland miller pieces ended up for sale 3 days later at a couple of london galleries I think it's called buying stock or buying to sell on to clients. Galleries and dealers that sell old master drawings buy at auction too.
I guess it's easier to buy at auction as I'm not sure a gallery would sell art to a rival gallery.
im pretty sure, that at a recent phillips auction that a couple of pieces, notably julian opie and harland miller pieces ended up for sale 3 days later at a couple of london galleries I think it's called buying stock or buying to sell on to clients. Galleries and dealers that sell old master drawings buy at auction too. I guess it's easier to buy at auction as I'm not sure a gallery would sell art to a rival gallery.
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moron
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Are the art galleries "flippers"? , by moron on Feb 19, 2018 0:27:05 GMT 1, A gallery local to me has sold on an Ai Wei Wei hand sculpture. As this was essentially sold as a charity piece does it sound right for a gallery to sell it on? Why not, considering the charity was a non profit and the funds went to Ai Weiwei to make his expo in New York anyway.
A gallery local to me has sold on an Ai Wei Wei hand sculpture. As this was essentially sold as a charity piece does it sound right for a gallery to sell it on? Why not, considering the charity was a non profit and the funds went to Ai Weiwei to make his expo in New York anyway.
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Dahmer
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Are the art galleries "flippers"? , by Dahmer on Feb 19, 2018 9:42:13 GMT 1, im pretty sure, that at a recent phillips auction that a couple of pieces, notably julian opie and harland miller pieces ended up for sale 3 days later at a couple of london galleries I think it's called buying stock or buying to sell on to clients. Galleries and dealers that sell old master drawings buy at auction too. I guess it's easier to buy at auction as I'm not sure a gallery would sell art to a rival gallery. yeah just found it rather annoying, i sat at the most recent phillips auction as there was a piece i bid on, ( didnt get it), anyway, just find it annoying to see how much something is clearly worth and then 3 days later get an email with the same piece that i was in the room for being sold at auction to have it offered to me for double the price they paid for it
i wouldnt stand outside tesco on pancake day shouting i had the last bottle of pancake mix trying to sell it for ยฃ10 ( i clearly understand what pancakes are made off and would do it the old fashioned way)
im pretty sure, that at a recent phillips auction that a couple of pieces, notably julian opie and harland miller pieces ended up for sale 3 days later at a couple of london galleries I think it's called buying stock or buying to sell on to clients. Galleries and dealers that sell old master drawings buy at auction too. I guess it's easier to buy at auction as I'm not sure a gallery would sell art to a rival gallery. yeah just found it rather annoying, i sat at the most recent phillips auction as there was a piece i bid on, ( didnt get it), anyway, just find it annoying to see how much something is clearly worth and then 3 days later get an email with the same piece that i was in the room for being sold at auction to have it offered to me for double the price they paid for it i wouldnt stand outside tesco on pancake day shouting i had the last bottle of pancake mix trying to sell it for ยฃ10 ( i clearly understand what pancakes are made off and would do it the old fashioned way)
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blerd
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Are the art galleries "flippers"? , by blerd on Feb 19, 2018 9:52:46 GMT 1, Put it this way....all those tiered releases that you want at the bottom price have been bought by "rival" Galleries weeks before the "fill in blank, has a new release, more info to follow" instagram posts have been conceived.
The only caveat is that you don't sell yours until we sell out. Which is even more convenient for the "rival" Galleries, because at this point the price is 5 x what they paid! Flipping clever!
Put it this way....all those tiered releases that you want at the bottom price have been bought by "rival" Galleries weeks before the "fill in blank, has a new release, more info to follow" instagram posts have been conceived.
The only caveat is that you don't sell yours until we sell out. Which is even more convenient for the "rival" Galleries, because at this point the price is 5 x what they paid! Flipping clever!
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Are the art galleries "flippers"? , by Daniel Silk on Feb 19, 2018 12:01:01 GMT 1, Another thing to think about is do the Artist actually want a few selected high profile galleries to flip their work? Do Artists deliberately sell a few from editions to the Galleries knowing and wanting them to sell them straight away for vastly more than the original price? That type of thing helps the values of the Artists work for future releases, increases demand, and being associated with a few good galleries is a plus for the Artists profile. Depends on how serious the gallery is. Some artists are under contract an only sell through one gallery whilst others are not and smaller galleries sell whatever art they can get their hands on at the time. There used to be a time when galleries built up a reputation and sold art to people who bought for the art. Nowadays it seems a lot sell art based on it's future investment potential. A lot of galleries around are creating artist brands and brainwashing the gullible into thinking they are genuine artists, only to find out years later it was all just fabricated and the art is worth very little. So maybe the galleries who are selling and flipping art that does go up in value are not so bad?
Another thing to think about is do the Artist actually want a few selected high profile galleries to flip their work? Do Artists deliberately sell a few from editions to the Galleries knowing and wanting them to sell them straight away for vastly more than the original price? That type of thing helps the values of the Artists work for future releases, increases demand, and being associated with a few good galleries is a plus for the Artists profile. Depends on how serious the gallery is. Some artists are under contract an only sell through one gallery whilst others are not and smaller galleries sell whatever art they can get their hands on at the time. There used to be a time when galleries built up a reputation and sold art to people who bought for the art. Nowadays it seems a lot sell art based on it's future investment potential. A lot of galleries around are creating artist brands and brainwashing the gullible into thinking they are genuine artists, only to find out years later it was all just fabricated and the art is worth very little. So maybe the galleries who are selling and flipping art that does go up in value are not so bad?
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moron
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Are the art galleries "flippers"? , by moron on Feb 19, 2018 12:56:17 GMT 1, Depends on how serious the gallery is. Some artists are under contract an only sell through one gallery whilst others are not and smaller galleries sell whatever art they can get their hands on at the time. There used to be a time when galleries built up a reputation and sold art to people who bought for the art. Nowadays it seems a lot sell art based on it's future investment potential. A lot of galleries around are creating artist brands and brainwashing the gullible into thinking they are genuine artists, only to find out years later it was all just fabricated and the art is worth very little. So maybe the galleries who are selling and flipping art that does go up in value are not so bad? I have noticed a trend which seems to show that the most succesful and prmoted artists are the ones who put in the least amount of effort or come across as the least talented.
Shrigley with his novelty gimmicky slogans, ok for novelty cards and writing on bog walls maybe but just boring in general. Shrigley comes across as the guy at a party who comes out with a witty one liner and makes people chuckle. Then continues doing it again and again thinking he is clever.
Stik has no talent that can see and all the stuff he did ie big issue etc carefully orchestrated to raise his profile as a person and to market his art which I still say are just giant cocks. He also panders to the PC virtual signalling brigade with his support of women wearing burka and seems to ignore the fact that it goes against freedom of expression and liberty, specially for women and gays.
Banksy, people will look back in a few years and say what a load of simplistic gimmicky art suitable for t shirts and the odd cartoon in some fanzine. The art concocted and edited to look clever with no actual meaningful message apart from what his team prmotes on discussion boards etc.
Tracey Emin, no talent, cant draw for shit, well anyone can draw like Emid does even with their eyes closed and she is the professor of drawing at some top notch academy too.
Martin Whatson, crppy stencils with crappy tagging. It's grey and it's colorful and I think buyers belive that Whatson draws everything not just takes images which he photoshops to print the paper out to cut the stencil. Anyone can do that.
Fairey, constant churning out of images created with photoshop, slick looking but bland. Too much photoshop and not enough imagination, plus riding on whichever PC virtue signalling bandwagon is in town.
Hirst. Shark shitting in a big tank and spots and dead cows etc.
Brainwash, more dung with added dung on top.
The amount of releases where people post hey F5'd like a lizard and sad to miss teh release that then get posted for sale because the art police or some other negative criticism means they cannot now frame it and put it on the wall. Should have asked the art police opinion about the print before actually F5'ing like like a cgi stuntman before buying the thing.
Galleries should be good at marketing and I know of a gallery in LA which cold calls and badgers wealthy people like doctors lawyers and retired people convincing them to purchase prints which are massively over priced of the market value to these people.
At the moment Urban Art is a trend, it's trendy and it's fashionable maybe for at least ten years now. Trends and fashions change and don't be surprised to see a lot of todays prints by some of the most prmoted, sold for a fraction of purchase price in local salerooms etc.
Are some of todays galleries actual art galleries or just dealers out to make money and no different to car dealers etc etc.
Depends on how serious the gallery is. Some artists are under contract an only sell through one gallery whilst others are not and smaller galleries sell whatever art they can get their hands on at the time. There used to be a time when galleries built up a reputation and sold art to people who bought for the art. Nowadays it seems a lot sell art based on it's future investment potential. A lot of galleries around are creating artist brands and brainwashing the gullible into thinking they are genuine artists, only to find out years later it was all just fabricated and the art is worth very little. So maybe the galleries who are selling and flipping art that does go up in value are not so bad? I have noticed a trend which seems to show that the most succesful and prmoted artists are the ones who put in the least amount of effort or come across as the least talented. Shrigley with his novelty gimmicky slogans, ok for novelty cards and writing on bog walls maybe but just boring in general. Shrigley comes across as the guy at a party who comes out with a witty one liner and makes people chuckle. Then continues doing it again and again thinking he is clever. Stik has no talent that can see and all the stuff he did ie big issue etc carefully orchestrated to raise his profile as a person and to market his art which I still say are just giant cocks. He also panders to the PC virtual signalling brigade with his support of women wearing burka and seems to ignore the fact that it goes against freedom of expression and liberty, specially for women and gays. Banksy, people will look back in a few years and say what a load of simplistic gimmicky art suitable for t shirts and the odd cartoon in some fanzine. The art concocted and edited to look clever with no actual meaningful message apart from what his team prmotes on discussion boards etc. Tracey Emin, no talent, cant draw for shit, well anyone can draw like Emid does even with their eyes closed and she is the professor of drawing at some top notch academy too. Martin Whatson, crppy stencils with crappy tagging. It's grey and it's colorful and I think buyers belive that Whatson draws everything not just takes images which he photoshops to print the paper out to cut the stencil. Anyone can do that. Fairey, constant churning out of images created with photoshop, slick looking but bland. Too much photoshop and not enough imagination, plus riding on whichever PC virtue signalling bandwagon is in town. Hirst. Shark shitting in a big tank and spots and dead cows etc. Brainwash, more dung with added dung on top. The amount of releases where people post hey F5'd like a lizard and sad to miss teh release that then get posted for sale because the art police or some other negative criticism means they cannot now frame it and put it on the wall. Should have asked the art police opinion about the print before actually F5'ing like like a cgi stuntman before buying the thing. Galleries should be good at marketing and I know of a gallery in LA which cold calls and badgers wealthy people like doctors lawyers and retired people convincing them to purchase prints which are massively over priced of the market value to these people. At the moment Urban Art is a trend, it's trendy and it's fashionable maybe for at least ten years now. Trends and fashions change and don't be surprised to see a lot of todays prints by some of the most prmoted, sold for a fraction of purchase price in local salerooms etc. Are some of todays galleries actual art galleries or just dealers out to make money and no different to car dealers etc etc.
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moron
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Are the art galleries "flippers"? , by moron on Feb 19, 2018 13:02:21 GMT 1, I think it's called buying stock or buying to sell on to clients. Galleries and dealers that sell old master drawings buy at auction too. I guess it's easier to buy at auction as I'm not sure a gallery would sell art to a rival gallery. yeah just found it rather annoying, i sat at the most recent phillips auction as there was a piece i bid on, ( didnt get it), anyway, just find it annoying to see how much something is clearly worth and then 3 days later get an email with the same piece that i was in the room for being sold at auction to have it offered to me for double the price they paid for it i wouldnt stand outside tesco on pancake day shouting i had the last bottle of pancake mix trying to sell it for ยฃ10 ( i clearly understand what pancakes are made off and would do it the old fashioned way) The other thing to consider is if some dealers work together. I know that they do regarding antique paintings and certain antiques. To bid up the auction price of a print or painting and then retail their stock to buyers under the guise that so and so print just made a record price.
No print by todays artists is worth losing sleep over, although I understand that some with a certain amount of cash only look at buying these prints based on their ongoing rise in perceived future value.
You could have replied to the dealer and offered them half of what they asked you for it. At the end of the day it's just a money game and no one is forced to pay what someone is asking.
I think it's called buying stock or buying to sell on to clients. Galleries and dealers that sell old master drawings buy at auction too. I guess it's easier to buy at auction as I'm not sure a gallery would sell art to a rival gallery. yeah just found it rather annoying, i sat at the most recent phillips auction as there was a piece i bid on, ( didnt get it), anyway, just find it annoying to see how much something is clearly worth and then 3 days later get an email with the same piece that i was in the room for being sold at auction to have it offered to me for double the price they paid for it i wouldnt stand outside tesco on pancake day shouting i had the last bottle of pancake mix trying to sell it for ยฃ10 ( i clearly understand what pancakes are made off and would do it the old fashioned way) The other thing to consider is if some dealers work together. I know that they do regarding antique paintings and certain antiques. To bid up the auction price of a print or painting and then retail their stock to buyers under the guise that so and so print just made a record price. No print by todays artists is worth losing sleep over, although I understand that some with a certain amount of cash only look at buying these prints based on their ongoing rise in perceived future value. You could have replied to the dealer and offered them half of what they asked you for it. At the end of the day it's just a money game and no one is forced to pay what someone is asking.
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team3d
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Are the art galleries "flippers"? , by team3d on Feb 25, 2018 8:56:53 GMT 1, if the artist work don't have flippers flipping it at much higher price than sell price... none of you will buy the art..
most will want banksy if there's no resell value...
if the artist work don't have flippers flipping it at much higher price than sell price... none of you will buy the art..
most will want banksy if there's no resell value...
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