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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by Deleted on Feb 22, 2018 23:20:03 GMT 1, Nuno, i would go with this part.. Or people could act like normal people, being honest, respectful and helpful. But lets face it, there will be times when we loose the head with each other. Its just the tone on sales threads has gone way over board. then it goes further by the same person following the other around waiting to pounce on them again. As one person said, there are too many grudges held with members here, and they go on for years. If anyone has a barney with another have a long sleep and get over it.
Personally i think that the sales thread tone has been the same for years so im surprised you took the plunge to join as oposed to just lurking as you did for a long time.
Nuno, i would go with this part.. Or people could act like normal people, being honest, respectful and helpful. But lets face it, there will be times when we loose the head with each other. Its just the tone on sales threads has gone way over board. then it goes further by the same person following the other around waiting to pounce on them again. As one person said, there are too many grudges held with members here, and they go on for years. If anyone has a barney with another have a long sleep and get over it. Personally i think that the sales thread tone has been the same for years so im surprised you took the plunge to join as oposed to just lurking as you did for a long time.
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by Trevorm on Feb 22, 2018 23:21:01 GMT 1, We need more threads about members who fail to give chocolate Hobnobs to buyers when they visit to purchase an item of art. They said they would but when push came to shove, they didn’t offer that gem of a biscuit. You know who you are. Now that was a funny thread. Funny thread! Funny thread?
Them chocolate Hobnobs were here - I just don't eat biscuits myself, so I never put them out. I still can't sleep properly at night
We need more threads about members who fail to give chocolate Hobnobs to buyers when they visit to purchase an item of art. They said they would but when push came to shove, they didn’t offer that gem of a biscuit. You know who you are. Now that was a funny thread. Funny thread! Funny thread? Them chocolate Hobnobs were here - I just don't eat biscuits myself, so I never put them out. I still can't sleep properly at night
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by irl1 on Feb 22, 2018 23:42:47 GMT 1, Took the plunge after being scammed on ebay. Put up my first thread about the refund rule paypal have. If the buyer claims the item is fake they get their dough back without having to prove its fake.
Took the plunge after being scammed on ebay. Put up my first thread about the refund rule paypal have. If the buyer claims the item is fake they get their dough back without having to prove its fake.
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by iamzero on Feb 23, 2018 7:52:11 GMT 1, I think before you start this crusade you’ll need to point out where exactly the bullying happened in the threads that you and your buddy chose to exchange insults in.
I think before you start this crusade you’ll need to point out where exactly the bullying happened in the threads that you and your buddy chose to exchange insults in.
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by Geezer Mate on Feb 23, 2018 8:20:44 GMT 1, I see a lot of one on one arguments here, but not bullying Most abuse is saved for flippers,
I see a lot of one on one arguments here, but not bullying Most abuse is saved for flippers,
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by moron on Feb 23, 2018 12:09:25 GMT 1, we need to create a campaign #Flipperslivesmatter
we need to create a campaign #Flipperslivesmatter
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 12:16:31 GMT 1, We need more threads about members who fail to give chocolate Hobnobs to buyers when they visit to purchase an item of art. They said they would but when push came to shove, they didn’t offer that gem of a biscuit. You know who you are. Now that was a funny thread. Funny thread! Funny thread? Them chocolate Hobnobs were here - I just don't eat biscuits myself, so I never put them out. I still can't sleep properly at night
To be fair to Trev, he was buying from me rather me buying from him. That said IF YOU MAKE AN OFFER OF CHOCOLATE HOBNOBS THEN IN FUTURE MAKE GOOD OF YOUR PROMISE. Capitals had to be used as it still hurts, the gauling thing was was that the coffee was lovely Trev xx
We need more threads about members who fail to give chocolate Hobnobs to buyers when they visit to purchase an item of art. They said they would but when push came to shove, they didn’t offer that gem of a biscuit. You know who you are. Now that was a funny thread. Funny thread! Funny thread? Them chocolate Hobnobs were here - I just don't eat biscuits myself, so I never put them out. I still can't sleep properly at night To be fair to Trev, he was buying from me rather me buying from him. That said IF YOU MAKE AN OFFER OF CHOCOLATE HOBNOBS THEN IN FUTURE MAKE GOOD OF YOUR PROMISE. Capitals had to be used as it still hurts, the gauling thing was was that the coffee was lovely Trev xx
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 12:16:59 GMT 1, we need to create a campaign #Flipperslivesmatter Forgive the flipper for they have sinned
we need to create a campaign #FlipperslivesmatterForgive the flipper for they have sinned
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by fac51 on Feb 23, 2018 12:28:22 GMT 1, we need to create a campaign #FlipperslivesmatterForgive the flipper for they have sinned Flippers have learned their trade from the Billy Bigtimers on this forum..Monkey see Monkey do
we need to create a campaign #FlipperslivesmatterForgive the flipper for they have sinned Flippers have learned their trade from the Billy Bigtimers on this forum..Monkey see Monkey do
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by irl1 on Feb 23, 2018 12:51:58 GMT 1, I'm not on a crusade and what buddy are you talking about? I don't know anyone on this site. As for pointing out the threads, if you read all comments you will see i pointed out that i would NOT go down the road of pointing out the abusive threads as i'm sure the poster would get the backlash.
How come you seem to miss all the abusive posts, when other members can see it as plain as daylight. Maybe this is a new trend by "some" members to get entertainment into their boring lives. Its "hide" and seek the "weak" for some of you bully boys. Just look at how many young lives have been lost over this kind of thing. You should be supporting something like this, not playing head games with the poster. Its just a big joke for the likes of you with noting better to do. You need to "first" get a bit of respect for yourself, and then you might have some for others!
I'm not on a crusade and what buddy are you talking about? I don't know anyone on this site. As for pointing out the threads, if you read all comments you will see i pointed out that i would NOT go down the road of pointing out the abusive threads as i'm sure the poster would get the backlash.
How come you seem to miss all the abusive posts, when other members can see it as plain as daylight. Maybe this is a new trend by "some" members to get entertainment into their boring lives. Its "hide" and seek the "weak" for some of you bully boys. Just look at how many young lives have been lost over this kind of thing. You should be supporting something like this, not playing head games with the poster. Its just a big joke for the likes of you with noting better to do. You need to "first" get a bit of respect for yourself, and then you might have some for others!
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by irl1 on Feb 23, 2018 12:58:06 GMT 1, I see a lot of one on one arguments here, but not bullying Most abuse is saved for flippers, Everything you buy in life is sold by "flippers" from your food to your clothes, to the car you drive, and every single piece of art you buy is the same. Now if you want to sell your art below what you paid for it that's your business, but i don't think too many people do this.
I see a lot of one on one arguments here, but not bullying Most abuse is saved for flippers, Everything you buy in life is sold by "flippers" from your food to your clothes, to the car you drive, and every single piece of art you buy is the same. Now if you want to sell your art below what you paid for it that's your business, but i don't think too many people do this.
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 13:32:25 GMT 1, I see a lot of one on one arguments here, but not bullying Most abuse is saved for flippers, Everything you buy in life is sold by "flippers" from your food to your clothes, to the car you drive, and every single piece of art you buy is the same. Now if you want to sell your art below what you paid for it that's your business, but i don't think too many people do this.
Most businesses and things you buy come with 'added value' . you want to buy a car,then sure.... we can finance that for you, we can service it, we can guarantee it for you, have a problem, bring it straight back and we'll sort.
Want to buy some milk from the supermarket and when you get home its gone off, chances are they'll exchange it for you
Flipper = buyer beware, no come back, not one bit of added value, less in fact than buying direct
I see a lot of one on one arguments here, but not bullying Most abuse is saved for flippers, Everything you buy in life is sold by "flippers" from your food to your clothes, to the car you drive, and every single piece of art you buy is the same. Now if you want to sell your art below what you paid for it that's your business, but i don't think too many people do this. Most businesses and things you buy come with 'added value' . you want to buy a car,then sure.... we can finance that for you, we can service it, we can guarantee it for you, have a problem, bring it straight back and we'll sort. Want to buy some milk from the supermarket and when you get home its gone off, chances are they'll exchange it for you Flipper = buyer beware, no come back, not one bit of added value, less in fact than buying direct
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by iamzero on Feb 23, 2018 13:44:58 GMT 1, Stop playing the victim, and comparing your situation to young children that take their own lives is out of order. What you’re actually upset about is being caught reselling Walled Off merchandise before you’ve even boarded the plane. You are an idiot in every sense of the word. You’ve made yourself look foolish by not only doing this on your for sale thread but also creating this one to have a little whine about it. What a doofus.
Stop playing the victim, and comparing your situation to young children that take their own lives is out of order. What you’re actually upset about is being caught reselling Walled Off merchandise before you’ve even boarded the plane. You are an idiot in every sense of the word. You’ve made yourself look foolish by not only doing this on your for sale thread but also creating this one to have a little whine about it. What a doofus.
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by irl1 on Feb 23, 2018 14:32:05 GMT 1, Stop playing the victim, and comparing your situation to young children that take their own lives is out of order. What you’re actually upset about is being caught reselling Walled Off merchandise before you’ve even boarded the plane. You are an idiot in every sense of the word. You’ve made yourself look foolish by not only doing this on your for sale thread but also creating this one to have a little whine about it. What a doofus. As i said "before" and ill say it "again" (as you seem to be a bit slow on the uptake), it was "NOT" my sales thread where all this started. (do check) As for playing the victim, Oh poor me, you really upset me and i cried myself to sleep. The only idiot part of me is answering someone like you who loves all the attention you "think" your getting. Look back on all your so called comments and read them yourself (very slowly to make sure you understand what you wrote) I must say i give you the age of about 12, though i have seen some 12 year olds with more sense than you. Why don't you go off and play with your trains little boy and leave the adults to talk.
Stop playing the victim, and comparing your situation to young children that take their own lives is out of order. What you’re actually upset about is being caught reselling Walled Off merchandise before you’ve even boarded the plane. You are an idiot in every sense of the word. You’ve made yourself look foolish by not only doing this on your for sale thread but also creating this one to have a little whine about it. What a doofus. As i said "before" and ill say it "again" (as you seem to be a bit slow on the uptake), it was "NOT" my sales thread where all this started. (do check) As for playing the victim, Oh poor me, you really upset me and i cried myself to sleep. The only idiot part of me is answering someone like you who loves all the attention you "think" your getting. Look back on all your so called comments and read them yourself (very slowly to make sure you understand what you wrote) I must say i give you the age of about 12, though i have seen some 12 year olds with more sense than you. Why don't you go off and play with your trains little boy and leave the adults to talk.
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by irl1 on Feb 23, 2018 14:35:12 GMT 1, Everything you buy in life is sold by "flippers" from your food to your clothes, to the car you drive, and every single piece of art you buy is the same. Now if you want to sell your art below what you paid for it that's your business, but i don't think too many people do this. Most businesses and things you buy come with 'added value' . you want to buy a car,then sure.... we can finance that for you, we can service it, we can guarantee it for you, have a problem, bring it straight back and we'll sort. Want to buy some milk from the supermarket and when you get home its gone off, chances are they'll exchange it for you Flipper = buyer beware, no come back, not one bit of added value, less in fact than buying direct
Everything you buy in life is sold by "flippers" from your food to your clothes, to the car you drive, and every single piece of art you buy is the same. Now if you want to sell your art below what you paid for it that's your business, but i don't think too many people do this. Most businesses and things you buy come with 'added value' . you want to buy a car,then sure.... we can finance that for you, we can service it, we can guarantee it for you, have a problem, bring it straight back and we'll sort. Want to buy some milk from the supermarket and when you get home its gone off, chances are they'll exchange it for you Flipper = buyer beware, no come back, not one bit of added value, less in fact than buying direct
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by irl1 on Feb 23, 2018 14:38:37 GMT 1, Everything you buy in life is sold by "flippers" from your food to your clothes, to the car you drive, and every single piece of art you buy is the same. Now if you want to sell your art below what you paid for it that's your business, but i don't think too many people do this. Most businesses and things you buy come with 'added value' . you want to buy a car,then sure.... we can finance that for you, we can service it, we can guarantee it for you, have a problem, bring it straight back and we'll sort. Want to buy some milk from the supermarket and when you get home its gone off, chances are they'll exchange it for you Flipper = buyer beware, no come back, not one bit of added value, less in fact than buying direct bren you have a point there. I don't know about other sellers, but i stand over anything i sell. Pack them well and offer refunds. Not that i sell very much, but i do sell some
Everything you buy in life is sold by "flippers" from your food to your clothes, to the car you drive, and every single piece of art you buy is the same. Now if you want to sell your art below what you paid for it that's your business, but i don't think too many people do this. Most businesses and things you buy come with 'added value' . you want to buy a car,then sure.... we can finance that for you, we can service it, we can guarantee it for you, have a problem, bring it straight back and we'll sort. Want to buy some milk from the supermarket and when you get home its gone off, chances are they'll exchange it for you Flipper = buyer beware, no come back, not one bit of added value, less in fact than buying direct bren you have a point there. I don't know about other sellers, but i stand over anything i sell. Pack them well and offer refunds. Not that i sell very much, but i do sell some
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 14:41:07 GMT 1, Stop playing the victim, and comparing your situation to young children that take their own lives is out of order. What you’re actually upset about is being caught reselling Walled Off merchandise before you’ve even boarded the plane. You are an idiot in every sense of the word. You’ve made yourself look foolish by not only doing this on your for sale thread but also creating this one to have a little whine about it. What a doofus. As i said "before" and ill say it "again" (as you seem to be a bit slow on the uptake), it was "NOT" my sales thread where all this started. (do check) As for playing the victim, Oh poor me, you really upset me and i cried myself to sleep. The only idiot part of me is answering someone like you who loves all the attention you "think" your getting. Look back on all your so called comments and read them yourself (very slowly to make sure you understand what you wrote) I must say i give you the age of about 12, though i have seen some 12 year olds with more sense than you. Why don't you go off and play with your trains little boy and leave the adults to talk.
Seriously?
here we go
You just cannot see it, can you?
i am so out of this shit
Stop playing the victim, and comparing your situation to young children that take their own lives is out of order. What you’re actually upset about is being caught reselling Walled Off merchandise before you’ve even boarded the plane. You are an idiot in every sense of the word. You’ve made yourself look foolish by not only doing this on your for sale thread but also creating this one to have a little whine about it. What a doofus. As i said "before" and ill say it "again" (as you seem to be a bit slow on the uptake), it was "NOT" my sales thread where all this started. (do check) As for playing the victim, Oh poor me, you really upset me and i cried myself to sleep. The only idiot part of me is answering someone like you who loves all the attention you "think" your getting. Look back on all your so called comments and read them yourself (very slowly to make sure you understand what you wrote) I must say i give you the age of about 12, though i have seen some 12 year olds with more sense than you. Why don't you go off and play with your trains little boy and leave the adults to talk. Seriously? here we go You just cannot see it, can you? i am so out of this shit
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by iamzero on Feb 23, 2018 14:45:02 GMT 1, Lalaalaala you smell smellie. There you go again with your insults. I fart in your general direction. If it helps I’ll gladly donate some Kleenex to mop up your tears you whining wanker. At least have the decency to admit you got caught flipping with your pants down and move on without throwing a tantrum. Expect a hard time if you’re doing naughty things on here. You should know how this place works by now you wardrobe watcher.
Lalaalaala you smell smellie. There you go again with your insults. I fart in your general direction. If it helps I’ll gladly donate some Kleenex to mop up your tears you whining wanker. At least have the decency to admit you got caught flipping with your pants down and move on without throwing a tantrum. Expect a hard time if you’re doing naughty things on here. You should know how this place works by now you wardrobe watcher.
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by lv90210 on Feb 23, 2018 14:55:39 GMT 1, Why bullying ? I think I love her.
Why bullying ? I think I love her.
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by irl1 on Feb 23, 2018 15:06:02 GMT 1, Lalaalaala you smell smellie. There you go again with your insults. I fart in your general direction. If it helps I’ll gladly donate some Kleenex to mop up your tears you whining wanker. At least have the decency to admit you got caught flipping with your pants down and move on without throwing a tantrum. Expect a hard time if you’re doing naughty things on here. You should know how this place works by now you wardrobe watcher. Insults? Your having a laugh tough guy. Your getting called out on the way you behave on the site. Posting your abusive comments just to get your silly little laughs. Well able to take anything you fire at me. The whole point of this thread was to bring out the likes of you with your stupid comments. Keep them coming and thanks for all the bumps.
Lalaalaala you smell smellie. There you go again with your insults. I fart in your general direction. If it helps I’ll gladly donate some Kleenex to mop up your tears you whining wanker. At least have the decency to admit you got caught flipping with your pants down and move on without throwing a tantrum. Expect a hard time if you’re doing naughty things on here. You should know how this place works by now you wardrobe watcher. Insults? Your having a laugh tough guy. Your getting called out on the way you behave on the site. Posting your abusive comments just to get your silly little laughs. Well able to take anything you fire at me. The whole point of this thread was to bring out the likes of you with your stupid comments. Keep them coming and thanks for all the bumps.
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 15:06:24 GMT 1, I've said it before and I'll say it again, Eyekandiart'esque.
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Eyekandiart'esque.
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by Geezer Mate on Feb 23, 2018 15:21:47 GMT 1, Everything you buy in life is sold by "flippers" from your food to your clothes, to the car you drive, and every single piece of art you buy is the same. Now if you want to sell your art below what you paid for it that's your business, but i don't think too many people do this. Most businesses and things you buy come with 'added value' . you want to buy a car,then sure.... we can finance that for you, we can service it, we can guarantee it for you, have a problem, bring it straight back and we'll sort. Want to buy some milk from the supermarket and when you get home its gone off, chances are they'll exchange it for you Flipper = buyer beware, no come back, not one bit of added value, less in fact than buying direct
Bully Ha!
Everything you buy in life is sold by "flippers" from your food to your clothes, to the car you drive, and every single piece of art you buy is the same. Now if you want to sell your art below what you paid for it that's your business, but i don't think too many people do this. Most businesses and things you buy come with 'added value' . you want to buy a car,then sure.... we can finance that for you, we can service it, we can guarantee it for you, have a problem, bring it straight back and we'll sort. Want to buy some milk from the supermarket and when you get home its gone off, chances are they'll exchange it for you Flipper = buyer beware, no come back, not one bit of added value, less in fact than buying direct Bully Ha!
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by iamzero on Feb 23, 2018 15:29:49 GMT 1, I’ve been here long enough to see cry babies like you come and go tinker bell. I’m also old enough to know that you can’t argue with an idiot... but it’s really funny to wind one up and laugh at him. (That’s you that is).
I’ve been here long enough to see cry babies like you come and go tinker bell. I’m also old enough to know that you can’t argue with an idiot... but it’s really funny to wind one up and laugh at him. (That’s you that is).
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by irl1 on Feb 23, 2018 15:46:01 GMT 1, I’ve been here long enough to see cry babies like you come and go tinker bell. I’m also old enough to know that you can’t argue with an idiot... but it’s really funny to wind one up and laugh at him. (That’s you that is). I thought you said i was Robin Hood? Well stop arguing with yourself and get on with your life. As for me going, is the site closing down? That's a pity as i was only getting started. Oh yeh you wound me up, so i should tick for a good while yet
I’ve been here long enough to see cry babies like you come and go tinker bell. I’m also old enough to know that you can’t argue with an idiot... but it’s really funny to wind one up and laugh at him. (That’s you that is). I thought you said i was Robin Hood? Well stop arguing with yourself and get on with your life. As for me going, is the site closing down? That's a pity as i was only getting started. Oh yeh you wound me up, so i should tick for a good while yet
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by Coach on Feb 23, 2018 15:48:31 GMT 1, Can this all stop now? Please.
Can this all stop now? Please.
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by irl1 on Feb 23, 2018 16:07:54 GMT 1, Can this all stop now? Please. Yes its getting boring for all, i'm finished.
Can this all stop now? Please. Yes its getting boring for all, i'm finished.
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by iamzero on Feb 23, 2018 16:12:14 GMT 1, Don’t take it too personally. We can hug it out if you want.
Don’t take it too personally. We can hug it out if you want.
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 17:55:35 GMT 1, Even this thread ends up in a row.. mad funny 😂
Even this thread ends up in a row.. mad funny 😂
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by Pysgod on Feb 23, 2018 18:43:50 GMT 1, I've said it before and I'll say it again, Eyekandiart'esque. Bang on !
I've said it before and I'll say it again, Eyekandiart'esque. Bang on !
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Lets get rid of the bullies for good!, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2018 20:25:37 GMT 1, It's a reflection of society in general and the art scene. It's very hard to continually weed out people who lie or post abuse as it ends up being at least half the population, so it not really a practical task. Blocking and banning members is not a 100% sure thing due to the setup of the Internet, so it's a worldwide problem not just something we experience here on the forum. In an ideal world everyone is kind, honest and genuine, but sadly that's not reality.
I would also suggest you ban the people who stand up for themselves whilst given the poster bobs of this world Cart Blanche to jump on every thread with negativity.. this place needs consistency and the right people gone not the good guys
It's a reflection of society in general and the art scene. It's very hard to continually weed out people who lie or post abuse as it ends up being at least half the population, so it not really a practical task. Blocking and banning members is not a 100% sure thing due to the setup of the Internet, so it's a worldwide problem not just something we experience here on the forum. In an ideal world everyone is kind, honest and genuine, but sadly that's not reality. I would also suggest you ban the people who stand up for themselves whilst given the poster bobs of this world Cart Blanche to jump on every thread with negativity.. this place needs consistency and the right people gone not the good guys
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