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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by dantheman8 on Mar 25, 2018 17:00:33 GMT 1, Hey guys, new to the forum here, I live in a condo so I don't have a ton of space to display art, I have 3 pieces currently and would like to move 1 to make room for a new Kaws dolphin piece I just acquired. Of my 3 pieces Im trying to gauge which one has the least potential long term and I'd like to sell that. I have a good friend of mine who is willing to purchase any of the 3 so I thought I would make an account and ask experts their thoughts on which to sell and what price.
1 - Mr Brainwash "Everyday Life" "follow your dreams" Unique mickey mouse,marilyn,coca cola - what is the current value of this type of piece should I sell? It's a unique so its 1/1 but he made tons of these prints right? I imagine having a unique though will always be special just bc of what it is and knowing you wont find another.
2 - Damien Hirst - Methylamine 13c, 1/100, signed/framed - cool piece, love hirst, I saw one sold on phillips for $32,000 or so last jan on their auction results but then this week at made in britain one was estimated at 10-15k pounds and did not sell, so not sure where the market is on this piece. I feel like Hirst is just beginning his comeback and his work is so iconic, I just love it.
3 - Banksy - unsigned "Moron" print in white 1/500, in great shape, I know tons of banksy pieces are not. I understand unsigned prints are going for alot today, I saw this same one got 16,000 pounds unsigned this week at the made in britain auction, unsigned! I paid way less! Can these really keep going?
So sadly, I love all 3, but I love the kaws piece I just acquired ALOT but unfortunately my wife says I cannot keep adding art lol, I would love to keep all of them but thats not an option, so one of these has to go. Would love to hear some insights from you guys on what and why bc they're all so great to me!
Thanks again, and hopefully I can contribute some long term!
Hey guys, new to the forum here, I live in a condo so I don't have a ton of space to display art, I have 3 pieces currently and would like to move 1 to make room for a new Kaws dolphin piece I just acquired. Of my 3 pieces Im trying to gauge which one has the least potential long term and I'd like to sell that. I have a good friend of mine who is willing to purchase any of the 3 so I thought I would make an account and ask experts their thoughts on which to sell and what price.
1 - Mr Brainwash "Everyday Life" "follow your dreams" Unique mickey mouse,marilyn,coca cola - what is the current value of this type of piece should I sell? It's a unique so its 1/1 but he made tons of these prints right? I imagine having a unique though will always be special just bc of what it is and knowing you wont find another.
2 - Damien Hirst - Methylamine 13c, 1/100, signed/framed - cool piece, love hirst, I saw one sold on phillips for $32,000 or so last jan on their auction results but then this week at made in britain one was estimated at 10-15k pounds and did not sell, so not sure where the market is on this piece. I feel like Hirst is just beginning his comeback and his work is so iconic, I just love it.
3 - Banksy - unsigned "Moron" print in white 1/500, in great shape, I know tons of banksy pieces are not. I understand unsigned prints are going for alot today, I saw this same one got 16,000 pounds unsigned this week at the made in britain auction, unsigned! I paid way less! Can these really keep going?
So sadly, I love all 3, but I love the kaws piece I just acquired ALOT but unfortunately my wife says I cannot keep adding art lol, I would love to keep all of them but thats not an option, so one of these has to go. Would love to hear some insights from you guys on what and why bc they're all so great to me!
Thanks again, and hopefully I can contribute some long term!
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by Masong on Mar 25, 2018 17:12:34 GMT 1, Hey guys, new to the forum here, I live in a condo so I don't have a ton of space to display art, I have 3 pieces currently and would like to move 1 to make room for a new Kaws dolphin piece I just acquired. Of my 3 pieces Im trying to gauge which one has the least potential long term and I'd like to sell that. I have a good friend of mine who is willing to purchase any of the 3 so I thought I would make an account and ask experts their thoughts on which to sell and what price. 1 - Mr Brainwash "Everyday Life" "follow your dreams" Unique mickey mouse,marilyn,coca cola - what is the current value of this type of piece should I sell? It's a unique so its 1/1 but he made tons of these prints right? I imagine having a unique though will always be special just bc of what it is and knowing you wont find another.ย 2 - Damien Hirst - Methylamine 13c, 1/100, signed/framed -ย cool piece, love hirst, I saw one sold on phillips for $32,000 or so last jan on their auction results but then this week at made in britain one was estimated at 10-15k pounds and did not sell, so not sure where the market is on this piece. I feel like Hirst is just beginning his comeback and his work is so iconic, I just love it. 3 - Banksy - unsigned "Moron" print in white 1/500, in great shape, I know tons of banksy pieces are not. I understand unsigned prints are going for alot today, I saw this same one got 16,000 pounds unsigned this week at the made in britain auction, unsigned! I paid way less! Can these really keep going? So sadly, I love all 3, but I love the kaws piece I just acquired ALOT but unfortunately my wife says I cannot keep adding art lol, I would love to keep all of them but thats not an option, so one of these has to go. Would love to hear some insights from you guys on what and why bc they're all so great to me! Thanks again, and hopefully I can contribute some long term!
Mr Brainwash has to go
Hey guys, new to the forum here, I live in a condo so I don't have a ton of space to display art, I have 3 pieces currently and would like to move 1 to make room for a new Kaws dolphin piece I just acquired. Of my 3 pieces Im trying to gauge which one has the least potential long term and I'd like to sell that. I have a good friend of mine who is willing to purchase any of the 3 so I thought I would make an account and ask experts their thoughts on which to sell and what price. 1 - Mr Brainwash "Everyday Life" "follow your dreams" Unique mickey mouse,marilyn,coca cola - what is the current value of this type of piece should I sell? It's a unique so its 1/1 but he made tons of these prints right? I imagine having a unique though will always be special just bc of what it is and knowing you wont find another.ย 2 - Damien Hirst - Methylamine 13c, 1/100, signed/framed -ย cool piece, love hirst, I saw one sold on phillips for $32,000 or so last jan on their auction results but then this week at made in britain one was estimated at 10-15k pounds and did not sell, so not sure where the market is on this piece. I feel like Hirst is just beginning his comeback and his work is so iconic, I just love it. 3 - Banksy - unsigned "Moron" print in white 1/500, in great shape, I know tons of banksy pieces are not. I understand unsigned prints are going for alot today, I saw this same one got 16,000 pounds unsigned this week at the made in britain auction, unsigned! I paid way less! Can these really keep going? So sadly, I love all 3, but I love the kaws piece I just acquired ALOT but unfortunately my wife says I cannot keep adding art lol, I would love to keep all of them but thats not an option, so one of these has to go. Would love to hear some insights from you guys on what and why bc they're all so great to me! Thanks again, and hopefully I can contribute some long term! Mr Brainwash has to go
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dantheman8
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by dantheman8 on Mar 25, 2018 17:14:38 GMT 1, Haha, so even though its a unique you think it has the least potential? Is there any particular reason, I know the story of brainwash and I know many dont like him, but I bought it bc I just loved it Im just interested in learning more why alot of people just dislike him so much, I see his instagram posts and he gets some serious hate haha. Then I see others say he's the mozart of our generation. So would love to learn.
Haha, so even though its a unique you think it has the least potential? Is there any particular reason, I know the story of brainwash and I know many dont like him, but I bought it bc I just loved it Im just interested in learning more why alot of people just dislike him so much, I see his instagram posts and he gets some serious hate haha. Then I see others say he's the mozart of our generation. So would love to learn.
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by Dive Jedi on Mar 25, 2018 17:21:48 GMT 1, Hey guys, new to the forum here, I live in a condo so I don't have a ton of space to display art, I have 3 pieces currently and would like to move 1 to make room for a new Kaws dolphin piece I just acquired. Of my 3 pieces Im trying to gauge which one has the least potential long term and I'd like to sell that. I have a good friend of mine who is willing to purchase any of the 3 so I thought I would make an account and ask experts their thoughts on which to sell and what price. 1 - Mr Brainwash "Everyday Life" "follow your dreams" Unique mickey mouse,marilyn,coca cola - what is the current value of this type of piece should I sell? It's a unique so its 1/1 but he made tons of these prints right? I imagine having a unique though will always be special just bc of what it is and knowing you wont find another. 2 - Damien Hirst - Methylamine 13c, 1/100, signed/framed - cool piece, love hirst, I saw one sold on phillips for $32,000 or so last jan on their auction results but then this week at made in britain one was estimated at 10-15k pounds and did not sell, so not sure where the market is on this piece. I feel like Hirst is just beginning his comeback and his work is so iconic, I just love it. 3 - Banksy - unsigned "Moron" print in white 1/500, in great shape, I know tons of banksy pieces are not. I understand unsigned prints are going for alot today, I saw this same one got 16,000 pounds unsigned this week at the made in britain auction, unsigned! I paid way less! Can these really keep going? So sadly, I love all 3, but I love the kaws piece I just acquired ALOT but unfortunately my wife says I cannot keep adding art lol, I would love to keep all of them but thats not an option, so one of these has to go. Would love to hear some insights from you guys on what and why bc they're all so great to me! Thanks again, and hopefully I can contribute some long term! Mr Brainwash has to go As much as I hate Damien Hirst I concur with doctor Masong
Hey guys, new to the forum here, I live in a condo so I don't have a ton of space to display art, I have 3 pieces currently and would like to move 1 to make room for a new Kaws dolphin piece I just acquired. Of my 3 pieces Im trying to gauge which one has the least potential long term and I'd like to sell that. I have a good friend of mine who is willing to purchase any of the 3 so I thought I would make an account and ask experts their thoughts on which to sell and what price. 1 - Mr Brainwash "Everyday Life" "follow your dreams" Unique mickey mouse,marilyn,coca cola - what is the current value of this type of piece should I sell? It's a unique so its 1/1 but he made tons of these prints right? I imagine having a unique though will always be special just bc of what it is and knowing you wont find another. 2 - Damien Hirst - Methylamine 13c, 1/100, signed/framed - cool piece, love hirst, I saw one sold on phillips for $32,000 or so last jan on their auction results but then this week at made in britain one was estimated at 10-15k pounds and did not sell, so not sure where the market is on this piece. I feel like Hirst is just beginning his comeback and his work is so iconic, I just love it. 3 - Banksy - unsigned "Moron" print in white 1/500, in great shape, I know tons of banksy pieces are not. I understand unsigned prints are going for alot today, I saw this same one got 16,000 pounds unsigned this week at the made in britain auction, unsigned! I paid way less! Can these really keep going? So sadly, I love all 3, but I love the kaws piece I just acquired ALOT but unfortunately my wife says I cannot keep adding art lol, I would love to keep all of them but thats not an option, so one of these has to go. Would love to hear some insights from you guys on what and why bc they're all so great to me! Thanks again, and hopefully I can contribute some long term! Mr Brainwash has to go As much as I hate Damien Hirst I concur with doctor Masong
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by lg2771 on Mar 25, 2018 17:23:06 GMT 1, Brainwash. Donโt see how his prices can go up much further. Also the Banksy and Hirst look much better.
Brainwash. Donโt see how his prices can go up much further. Also the Banksy and Hirst look much better.
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dantheman8
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by dantheman8 on Mar 25, 2018 17:30:13 GMT 1, Where is the market really for the methylamine 13c piece and the banksy morons piece? The hirst I know one sold for 22,500 pounds last jan and now this week I don't think it fetched even 10k at sothebys and didn't sell, so is the 22,500 pounds the anomaly or is the sub 10k pounds the anomaly?
I concur with you all that hirst and banksy are 2 of the more famous artists alive today. I guess the brainwash it is! Speaking of brainwash, I've never really been able to find any info on how many "uniques" exist when it comes to something like my everyday life piece, but seemingly every gallery I go to has some! So I question just how "unique" it is.
Where is the market really for the methylamine 13c piece and the banksy morons piece? The hirst I know one sold for 22,500 pounds last jan and now this week I don't think it fetched even 10k at sothebys and didn't sell, so is the 22,500 pounds the anomaly or is the sub 10k pounds the anomaly?
I concur with you all that hirst and banksy are 2 of the more famous artists alive today. I guess the brainwash it is! Speaking of brainwash, I've never really been able to find any info on how many "uniques" exist when it comes to something like my everyday life piece, but seemingly every gallery I go to has some! So I question just how "unique" it is.
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by Redbirds on Mar 25, 2018 17:30:59 GMT 1, Brainwash and itโs not even a hard choice
Brainwash and itโs not even a hard choice
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dantheman8
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by dantheman8 on Mar 25, 2018 17:33:08 GMT 1, You guys are great, this is why I wanted to ask. Every reply is brainwash haha, I almost feel like an idiot for buying it now lol. Ok what's a fair price to ask my friend for it?
You guys are great, this is why I wanted to ask. Every reply is brainwash haha, I almost feel like an idiot for buying it now lol. Ok what's a fair price to ask my friend for it?
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by Masong on Mar 25, 2018 17:36:17 GMT 1, Haha, so even though its a unique you think it has the least potential? Is there any particular reason, I know the story of brainwash and I know many dont like him, but I bought it bc I just loved it Im just interested in learning more why alot of people just dislike him so much, I see his instagram posts and he gets some serious hate haha. Then I see others say he's the mozart of our generation. So would love to learn.
Just my personal opinion. Banksy could start selling 1/1 gold plated turds and I wouldnโt want one of those either,.Iโm sure somebody would though....
Haha, so even though its a unique you think it has the least potential? Is there any particular reason, I know the story of brainwash and I know many dont like him, but I bought it bc I just loved it Im just interested in learning more why alot of people just dislike him so much, I see his instagram posts and he gets some serious hate haha. Then I see others say he's the mozart of our generation. So would love to learn. Just my personal opinion. Banksy could start selling 1/1 gold plated turds and I wouldnโt want one of those either,.Iโm sure somebody would though....
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by Masong on Mar 25, 2018 17:37:48 GMT 1, You guys are great, this is why I wanted to ask. Every reply is brainwash haha, I almost feel like an idiot for buying it now lol. Ok what's a fair price to ask my friend for it?
Not an idiot just brainwashed
You guys are great, this is why I wanted to ask. Every reply is brainwash haha, I almost feel like an idiot for buying it now lol. Ok what's a fair price to ask my friend for it? Not an idiot just brainwashed
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by dantheman8 on Mar 25, 2018 17:41:31 GMT 1, Haha thanks Mason, the reason I asked is bc I know
1.the banksy is 1/500 and unsigned so I figured that hindered long term value from here but then again maybe not. I mean the 16,000 pounds and unsigned banksy morons got this week would be a dream for me, I paid like 3000 pounds and thought that was alot.
2. the hirst is also 1/100 and so I figured that the brainwash being a unique was more special to keep in the long run but I guess he's so disliked by everyone is wont matter haha.
Thanks again for all your inputs, its a 30x22 so im not sure where to price it. I see on ebay right now there is a everyday life 1/50 asking $10,000 USD. Is that really how much the 1/50 are now? Wow I wonder what to offer my friend for mine
Haha thanks Mason, the reason I asked is bc I know
1.the banksy is 1/500 and unsigned so I figured that hindered long term value from here but then again maybe not. I mean the 16,000 pounds and unsigned banksy morons got this week would be a dream for me, I paid like 3000 pounds and thought that was alot.
2. the hirst is also 1/100 and so I figured that the brainwash being a unique was more special to keep in the long run but I guess he's so disliked by everyone is wont matter haha.
Thanks again for all your inputs, its a 30x22 so im not sure where to price it. I see on ebay right now there is a everyday life 1/50 asking $10,000 USD. Is that really how much the 1/50 are now? Wow I wonder what to offer my friend for mine
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by NYart on Mar 25, 2018 17:49:26 GMT 1, The ยฃ16k was an anomaly considering signed prints can be had for that, or not much more.
The ยฃ16k was an anomaly considering signed prints can be had for that, or not much more.
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by Poster Bob on Mar 25, 2018 18:23:32 GMT 1, 1. You can't sell anything by Mr Brainwash and when you bought that you should have been informed of that fact.
2. Your Morons isn't worth ยฃ16k and probably never will be. That was most likely the result of a dipshit who thought it was signed and bid accordingly.
3. Hirst prints are either on their way to steadily increase for years to come due to the removal of his undesirable works from the market and his return to creating work with his own hand or he'll become even more irrelevant as time goes on.
1. You can't sell anything by Mr Brainwash and when you bought that you should have been informed of that fact.
2. Your Morons isn't worth ยฃ16k and probably never will be. That was most likely the result of a dipshit who thought it was signed and bid accordingly.
3. Hirst prints are either on their way to steadily increase for years to come due to the removal of his undesirable works from the market and his return to creating work with his own hand or he'll become even more irrelevant as time goes on.
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dantheman8
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by dantheman8 on Mar 25, 2018 18:46:34 GMT 1, 1. You can't sell anything by Mr Brainwash and when you bought that you should have been informed of that fact. 2. Your Morons isn't worth ยฃ16k and probably never will be. That was most likely the result of a dipshit who thought it was signed and bid accordingly. 3. Hirst prints are either on their way to steadily increase for years to come due to the removal of his undesirable works from the market and his return to creating work with his own hand or he'll become even more irrelevant as time goes on. Ok Bob, great reply, as someone who has just purchased art spontaneously from the gallery beneath my condo, I always bought what I liked and never really studied much about the things you mention. A few questions if you dont mind me asking
1. No, nobody ever told me the brainwash pieces cant be sold, is there a reason for this? He seems really popular but yes it seems his "everyday life" piece I have, although unique as Im told it does seem to be available in a ton of variations everywhere, I can't find any production figures. Any idea where I could?
2. The Banksy, I don't know much about art valuations, but I am a trader for a living(equities), my question for you is, with where warhol prints are trading, things like liz taylor 1/250 are fetching $75k USD, and with how Banksy is possibly after Koons the most famous living artist, as his signed works continue to soar, wouldn't his unsigned work continue to rise equally ie a signed banksy goes up lets say 100% over next 5 years wouldn't the unsigned do the same as well? I love Banksy and bought morons bc of the meaning of it, to me paying 2-3x more for it to be signed by Banksy isn't that important and Im sure others feel the same way. Hell markets could flip and unsigned pieces could go for more bc he doesn't do unsigned stuff anymore right? I know prints aren't rare, but at the same time if banksy really ends up being the most famous artist of the current era, I imagine even his unsigned stuff will continue rising just bc although unsigned it still is certified as authentic by pest control
3. I saw your mention of Hirst undesirables leaving the market, what does that mean? Im not up to speed on anything more than he produced too much and killed his values. So I imagine you mean he's learned his lesson and will now produce less? My methylamine piece is from 2014 and nice with the diamond dust, would this be considered "undesirable" as well? I'd love to have an original but I don't have a few hundred K to throw around on art!
Thanks for your insights and sorry for asking so many questions.
1. You can't sell anything by Mr Brainwash and when you bought that you should have been informed of that fact. 2. Your Morons isn't worth ยฃ16k and probably never will be. That was most likely the result of a dipshit who thought it was signed and bid accordingly. 3. Hirst prints are either on their way to steadily increase for years to come due to the removal of his undesirable works from the market and his return to creating work with his own hand or he'll become even more irrelevant as time goes on. Ok Bob, great reply, as someone who has just purchased art spontaneously from the gallery beneath my condo, I always bought what I liked and never really studied much about the things you mention. A few questions if you dont mind me asking 1. No, nobody ever told me the brainwash pieces cant be sold, is there a reason for this? He seems really popular but yes it seems his "everyday life" piece I have, although unique as Im told it does seem to be available in a ton of variations everywhere, I can't find any production figures. Any idea where I could? 2. The Banksy, I don't know much about art valuations, but I am a trader for a living(equities), my question for you is, with where warhol prints are trading, things like liz taylor 1/250 are fetching $75k USD, and with how Banksy is possibly after Koons the most famous living artist, as his signed works continue to soar, wouldn't his unsigned work continue to rise equally ie a signed banksy goes up lets say 100% over next 5 years wouldn't the unsigned do the same as well? I love Banksy and bought morons bc of the meaning of it, to me paying 2-3x more for it to be signed by Banksy isn't that important and Im sure others feel the same way. Hell markets could flip and unsigned pieces could go for more bc he doesn't do unsigned stuff anymore right? I know prints aren't rare, but at the same time if banksy really ends up being the most famous artist of the current era, I imagine even his unsigned stuff will continue rising just bc although unsigned it still is certified as authentic by pest control 3. I saw your mention of Hirst undesirables leaving the market, what does that mean? Im not up to speed on anything more than he produced too much and killed his values. So I imagine you mean he's learned his lesson and will now produce less? My methylamine piece is from 2014 and nice with the diamond dust, would this be considered "undesirable" as well? I'd love to have an original but I don't have a few hundred K to throw around on art! Thanks for your insights and sorry for asking so many questions.
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by Poster Bob on Mar 25, 2018 20:11:52 GMT 1, 1. You can't sell anything by Mr Brainwash and when you bought that you should have been informed of that fact. 2. Your Morons isn't worth ยฃ16k and probably never will be. That was most likely the result of a dipshit who thought it was signed and bid accordingly. 3. Hirst prints are either on their way to steadily increase for years to come due to the removal of his undesirable works from the market and his return to creating work with his own hand or he'll become even more irrelevant as time goes on. Ok Bob, great reply, as someone who has just purchased art spontaneously from the gallery beneath my condo, I always bought what I liked and never really studied much about the things you mention. A few questions if you dont mind me asking 1. No, nobody ever told me the brainwash pieces cant be sold, is there a reason for this? He seems really popular but yes it seems his "everyday life" piece I have, although unique as Im told it does seem to be available in a ton of variations everywhere, I can't find any production figures. Any idea where I could? 2. The Banksy, I don't know much about art valuations, but I am a trader for a living(equities), my question for you is, with where warhol prints are trading, things like liz taylor 1/250 are fetching $75k USD, and with how Banksy is possibly after Koons the most famous living artist, as his signed works continue to soar, wouldn't his unsigned work continue to rise equally ie a signed banksy goes up lets say 100% over next 5 years wouldn't the unsigned do the same as well? I love Banksy and bought morons bc of the meaning of it, to me paying 2-3x more for it to be signed by Banksy isn't that important and Im sure others feel the same way. Hell markets could flip and unsigned pieces could go for more bc he doesn't do unsigned stuff anymore right? I know prints aren't rare, but at the same time if banksy really ends up being the most famous artist of the current era, I imagine even his unsigned stuff will continue rising just bc although unsigned it still is certified as authentic by pest control 3. I saw your mention of Hirst undesirables leaving the market, what does that mean? Im not up to speed on anything more than he produced too much and killed his values. So I imagine you mean he's learned his lesson and will now produce less? My methylamine piece is from 2014 and nice with the diamond dust, would this be considered "undesirable" as well? I'd love to have an original but I don't have a few hundred K to throw around on art! Thanks for your insights and sorry for asking so many questions. First off, rule number one of speculating on art: don't buy what you like, buy what other people like.
1. You can't sell Mr Brainwash because he has yet to be speculated on. Many of today's popular artists are awful and they command high prices for their work but there has been a major push to make them the new "It" boy. That has not, and most likely will not, ever happen for Mr. Brainwash. My best advice would be to sell it at one of the shady auction houses in LA (Julien's) that sell fake Banksy street pieces or at an "urban auction in Paris." Both scenarios will provide you with a seemingly never-ending stream of dipshits with more money than sense.
2. There is no precedent for unsigned work and most art consultants and auction curators are completely befuddled as to the values assigned to what are for all intents and purposes, reproductions without any involvement of the artist. As there is no precedent no one can say for sure what will happen with unsigned prints but I would assume that those advised on how to purchase blue chip investments will be told to purchase signed, limited editions of highly desirable images which were created in small numbers. They will not be interested in unsigned editions of 500 due to their lower return. This may just cause a greater rift in the market between the assets classes. Think of GWB, Nola, LIITA, CYW, Kate Moss and all of the recent private only releases as the top tier investments compared to everything else. No, the markets will not flip and signed work will always command a significant premium; this is guaranteed.
3. He closed his online shop. That means that the large number of works that didn't sell are no longer available, creating a false sense of demand for his work. That is, they're not unavailable because people were fighting over them as blue chip investments; they're unavailable because he gave up after trying to sell them for several years without any interest. That particular print may rise in value but it depends on many factors such as if speculators think he has "returned to form" by no longer using assistants. It's too early to say, but I see his work steadily rising over time.
1. You can't sell anything by Mr Brainwash and when you bought that you should have been informed of that fact. 2. Your Morons isn't worth ยฃ16k and probably never will be. That was most likely the result of a dipshit who thought it was signed and bid accordingly. 3. Hirst prints are either on their way to steadily increase for years to come due to the removal of his undesirable works from the market and his return to creating work with his own hand or he'll become even more irrelevant as time goes on. Ok Bob, great reply, as someone who has just purchased art spontaneously from the gallery beneath my condo, I always bought what I liked and never really studied much about the things you mention. A few questions if you dont mind me asking 1. No, nobody ever told me the brainwash pieces cant be sold, is there a reason for this? He seems really popular but yes it seems his "everyday life" piece I have, although unique as Im told it does seem to be available in a ton of variations everywhere, I can't find any production figures. Any idea where I could? 2. The Banksy, I don't know much about art valuations, but I am a trader for a living(equities), my question for you is, with where warhol prints are trading, things like liz taylor 1/250 are fetching $75k USD, and with how Banksy is possibly after Koons the most famous living artist, as his signed works continue to soar, wouldn't his unsigned work continue to rise equally ie a signed banksy goes up lets say 100% over next 5 years wouldn't the unsigned do the same as well? I love Banksy and bought morons bc of the meaning of it, to me paying 2-3x more for it to be signed by Banksy isn't that important and Im sure others feel the same way. Hell markets could flip and unsigned pieces could go for more bc he doesn't do unsigned stuff anymore right? I know prints aren't rare, but at the same time if banksy really ends up being the most famous artist of the current era, I imagine even his unsigned stuff will continue rising just bc although unsigned it still is certified as authentic by pest control 3. I saw your mention of Hirst undesirables leaving the market, what does that mean? Im not up to speed on anything more than he produced too much and killed his values. So I imagine you mean he's learned his lesson and will now produce less? My methylamine piece is from 2014 and nice with the diamond dust, would this be considered "undesirable" as well? I'd love to have an original but I don't have a few hundred K to throw around on art! Thanks for your insights and sorry for asking so many questions. First off, rule number one of speculating on art: don't buy what you like, buy what other people like. 1. You can't sell Mr Brainwash because he has yet to be speculated on. Many of today's popular artists are awful and they command high prices for their work but there has been a major push to make them the new "It" boy. That has not, and most likely will not, ever happen for Mr. Brainwash. My best advice would be to sell it at one of the shady auction houses in LA (Julien's) that sell fake Banksy street pieces or at an "urban auction in Paris." Both scenarios will provide you with a seemingly never-ending stream of dipshits with more money than sense. 2. There is no precedent for unsigned work and most art consultants and auction curators are completely befuddled as to the values assigned to what are for all intents and purposes, reproductions without any involvement of the artist. As there is no precedent no one can say for sure what will happen with unsigned prints but I would assume that those advised on how to purchase blue chip investments will be told to purchase signed, limited editions of highly desirable images which were created in small numbers. They will not be interested in unsigned editions of 500 due to their lower return. This may just cause a greater rift in the market between the assets classes. Think of GWB, Nola, LIITA, CYW, Kate Moss and all of the recent private only releases as the top tier investments compared to everything else. No, the markets will not flip and signed work will always command a significant premium; this is guaranteed. 3. He closed his online shop. That means that the large number of works that didn't sell are no longer available, creating a false sense of demand for his work. That is, they're not unavailable because people were fighting over them as blue chip investments; they're unavailable because he gave up after trying to sell them for several years without any interest. That particular print may rise in value but it depends on many factors such as if speculators think he has "returned to form" by no longer using assistants. It's too early to say, but I see his work steadily rising over time.
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Aubrey 245
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by Aubrey 245 on Mar 25, 2018 20:34:59 GMT 1, Come on... What a question, Brainwash 100%
Come on... What a question, Brainwash 100%
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iamzero
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by iamzero on Mar 25, 2018 20:39:24 GMT 1, Brainwash... goodbye.
Brainwash... goodbye.
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bjoern
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by bjoern on Mar 25, 2018 20:55:51 GMT 1, 100% Brainwash
100% Brainwash
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dantheman8
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by dantheman8 on Mar 25, 2018 21:11:20 GMT 1, Wow I had no idea mr brainwash was disliked by so many, you guys have opened my eyes. I always thought his work was fun and interesting. I know he's not original but his style was just fun to me. Ok like I asked before what are the "unique" pieces of his 30 x 22 going for. I keep looking around online and every place that has them doesn't have a price and just wants you to message them and ask. Someone else mentioned he hasn't been speculated on yet, does that mean there is no chance he ever gets speculated on? With him the reason I loved his work so much is Im in Miami and there is a restaurant here called CIBO that has tons of his work inside and I always liked it so I asked the gallery near me to find me some of his stuff!
Wow I had no idea mr brainwash was disliked by so many, you guys have opened my eyes. I always thought his work was fun and interesting. I know he's not original but his style was just fun to me. Ok like I asked before what are the "unique" pieces of his 30 x 22 going for. I keep looking around online and every place that has them doesn't have a price and just wants you to message them and ask. Someone else mentioned he hasn't been speculated on yet, does that mean there is no chance he ever gets speculated on? With him the reason I loved his work so much is Im in Miami and there is a restaurant here called CIBO that has tons of his work inside and I always liked it so I asked the gallery near me to find me some of his stuff!
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lg2771
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by lg2771 on Mar 25, 2018 21:17:13 GMT 1, Wow I had no idea mr brainwash was disliked by so many, you guys have opened my eyes. I always thought his work was fun and interesting. I know he's not original but his style was just fun to me. Ok like I asked before what are the "unique" pieces of his 30 x 22 going for. I keep looking around online and every place that has them doesn't have a price and just wants you to message them and ask. Someone else mentioned he hasn't been speculated on yet, does that mean there is no chance he ever gets speculated on? With him the reason I loved his work so much is Im in Miami and there is a restaurant here called CIBO that has tons of his work inside and I always liked it so I asked the gallery near me to find me some of his stuff!
If you like him then keep it. You should have stuff on your wall because you enjoy it. It shouldnโt matter that all of us hate him. If youโre keen on selling it you could message those people that have it for sale to get a ballpark idea.
Wow I had no idea mr brainwash was disliked by so many, you guys have opened my eyes. I always thought his work was fun and interesting. I know he's not original but his style was just fun to me. Ok like I asked before what are the "unique" pieces of his 30 x 22 going for. I keep looking around online and every place that has them doesn't have a price and just wants you to message them and ask. Someone else mentioned he hasn't been speculated on yet, does that mean there is no chance he ever gets speculated on? With him the reason I loved his work so much is Im in Miami and there is a restaurant here called CIBO that has tons of his work inside and I always liked it so I asked the gallery near me to find me some of his stuff! If you like him then keep it. You should have stuff on your wall because you enjoy it. It shouldnโt matter that all of us hate him. If youโre keen on selling it you could message those people that have it for sale to get a ballpark idea.
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dantheman8
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by dantheman8 on Mar 25, 2018 21:28:44 GMT 1, I love all 3 of them, but yes I do need to get rid of one and I was just seeking the guidance of pros like all of you on why and I got a resounding dump Brainwash haha, that intrigued me bc I honestly thought he was an up and comer with some potential and having a supposedly 1 of 1 piece I figured it had pretty decent potential but I learned alot from you guys and I guess I will try to work out something with my friend for it bc he told me he loved all 3 and would love to have whichever one I didn't want. I paid $9,000 + tax for my brainwash, so go ahead point and laugh at me haha, would I be ripping off my friend giving him my receipt and asking him to just pay me what I paid for it 2 years ago or is it worth way less now?
I love all 3 of them, but yes I do need to get rid of one and I was just seeking the guidance of pros like all of you on why and I got a resounding dump Brainwash haha, that intrigued me bc I honestly thought he was an up and comer with some potential and having a supposedly 1 of 1 piece I figured it had pretty decent potential but I learned alot from you guys and I guess I will try to work out something with my friend for it bc he told me he loved all 3 and would love to have whichever one I didn't want. I paid $9,000 + tax for my brainwash, so go ahead point and laugh at me haha, would I be ripping off my friend giving him my receipt and asking him to just pay me what I paid for it 2 years ago or is it worth way less now?
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oldraver
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by oldraver on Mar 25, 2018 21:30:08 GMT 1, They are yours, do what you want.
Keep the ones you like, itโs that easy.
They are yours, do what you want.
Keep the ones you like, itโs that easy.
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by Deleted on Mar 25, 2018 21:40:22 GMT 1, Wow I had no idea mr brainwash was disliked by so many, you guys have opened my eyes. I always thought his work was fun and interesting. I know he's not original but his style was just fun to me. Ok like I asked before what are the "unique" pieces of his 30 x 22 going for. I keep looking around online and every place that has them doesn't have a price and just wants you to message them and ask. Someone else mentioned he hasn't been speculated on yet, does that mean there is no chance he ever gets speculated on? With him the reason I loved his work so much is Im in Miami and there is a restaurant here called CIBO that has tons of his work inside and I always liked it so I asked the gallery near me to find me some of his stuff!
if you have time and you have not yet seen it
have a look at 'exit through the gift shop'
You'll never want to sell it (maybe)
Wow I had no idea mr brainwash was disliked by so many, you guys have opened my eyes. I always thought his work was fun and interesting. I know he's not original but his style was just fun to me. Ok like I asked before what are the "unique" pieces of his 30 x 22 going for. I keep looking around online and every place that has them doesn't have a price and just wants you to message them and ask. Someone else mentioned he hasn't been speculated on yet, does that mean there is no chance he ever gets speculated on? With him the reason I loved his work so much is Im in Miami and there is a restaurant here called CIBO that has tons of his work inside and I always liked it so I asked the gallery near me to find me some of his stuff! if you have time and you have not yet seen it have a look at 'exit through the gift shop' You'll never want to sell it (maybe)
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dantheman8
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by dantheman8 on Mar 26, 2018 3:13:35 GMT 1, Just wanted to say thank you again for the insights I was worried I was going to have a hard time deciding which piece to let go, it was almost every single person saying brainwash so I've decided to let it go to my friend for what I paid for it 2 years ago, hopefully he can make some money with it and we can all be happy in the end.
Just wanted to say thank you again for the insights I was worried I was going to have a hard time deciding which piece to let go, it was almost every single person saying brainwash so I've decided to let it go to my friend for what I paid for it 2 years ago, hopefully he can make some money with it and we can all be happy in the end.
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met
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by met on Mar 26, 2018 5:19:36 GMT 1, Just wanted to say thank you again for the insights I was worried I was going to have a hard time deciding which piece to let go, it was almost every single person saying brainwash so I've decided to let it go to my friend for what I paid for it 2 years ago, hopefully he can make some money with it and we can all be happy in the end. Given the man is your good friend, here's a suggestion:
1. Send him a link to this thread. [Transparency is what most of us expect from our friends.] Afterwards, he will be in a position to make a better-informed decision.
2. Then let him choose whether he's still comfortable handing over the amount you paid two years ago for a piece by Mr. Brainwash.
It's the Golden Rule, isn't it?
If your situations were reversed, presumably you'd wish to be treated by him in this manner.
Just wanted to say thank you again for the insights I was worried I was going to have a hard time deciding which piece to let go, it was almost every single person saying brainwash so I've decided to let it go to my friend for what I paid for it 2 years ago, hopefully he can make some money with it and we can all be happy in the end. Given the man is your good friend, here's a suggestion: 1. Send him a link to this thread. [Transparency is what most of us expect from our friends.] Afterwards, he will be in a position to make a better-informed decision. 2. Then let him choose whether he's still comfortable handing over the amount you paid two years ago for a piece by Mr. Brain wash. It's the Golden Rule, isn't it? If your situations were reversed, presumably you'd wish to be treated by him in this manner.
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dantheman8
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by dantheman8 on Mar 26, 2018 5:45:24 GMT 1, I can do that, I still don't think he's as bad as everyone is making him out to be. I was looking over some comments from 5 years ago on here and lots of people said banksy prints were overvalued and wouldn't go anywhere and here we are with ballon girl unsigned going for $40k+. Nobody has a crystal ball in any market, I respect everyones take on brainwash and ill get rid of mine, but I still think having a 1 of 1 piece from anyone is cool and worth something. I understand why people would say keep the banksy and hirst over him, but he's not a complete zero. It's like having a rolls royce, a ferrari, and a mercedes and being given a choice to keep 2. I get why hirst and banksy are legends, brainwash is not on their level, but the piece is cool and 1 of 1 which is not the case with the others.
I still appreciate all the valuable insight and had alot of questions answered that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to answer. Who knows maybe the 1 of 1 brainwash is $50k one day and I regret it, I've seen crazier things happen.
I can do that, I still don't think he's as bad as everyone is making him out to be. I was looking over some comments from 5 years ago on here and lots of people said banksy prints were overvalued and wouldn't go anywhere and here we are with ballon girl unsigned going for $40k+. Nobody has a crystal ball in any market, I respect everyones take on brainwash and ill get rid of mine, but I still think having a 1 of 1 piece from anyone is cool and worth something. I understand why people would say keep the banksy and hirst over him, but he's not a complete zero. It's like having a rolls royce, a ferrari, and a mercedes and being given a choice to keep 2. I get why hirst and banksy are legends, brainwash is not on their level, but the piece is cool and 1 of 1 which is not the case with the others.
I still appreciate all the valuable insight and had alot of questions answered that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to answer. Who knows maybe the 1 of 1 brainwash is $50k one day and I regret it, I've seen crazier things happen.
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artgrenade
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by artgrenade on Mar 26, 2018 14:33:31 GMT 1, I can do that, I still don't think he's as bad as everyone is making him out to be. I was looking over some comments from 5 years ago on here and lots of people said banksy prints were overvalued and wouldn't go anywhere and here we are with ballon girl unsigned going for $40k+. Nobody has a crystal ball in any market, I respect everyones take on brainwash and ill get rid of mine, but I still think having a 1 of 1 piece from anyone is cool and worth something. I understand why people would say keep the banksy and hirst over him, but he's not a complete zero. It's like having a rolls royce, a ferrari, and a mercedes and being given a choice to keep 2. I get why hirst and banksy are legends, brainwash is not on their level, but the piece is cool and 1 of 1 which is not the case with the others. I still appreciate all the valuable insight and had alot of questions answered that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to answer. Who knows maybe the 1 of 1 brainwash is $50k one day and I regret it, I've seen crazier things happen. Mr Brainwash, a rolls royce?, more like a battered old skoda from the 80's!
I can do that, I still don't think he's as bad as everyone is making him out to be. I was looking over some comments from 5 years ago on here and lots of people said banksy prints were overvalued and wouldn't go anywhere and here we are with ballon girl unsigned going for $40k+. Nobody has a crystal ball in any market, I respect everyones take on brainwash and ill get rid of mine, but I still think having a 1 of 1 piece from anyone is cool and worth something. I understand why people would say keep the banksy and hirst over him, but he's not a complete zero. It's like having a rolls royce, a ferrari, and a mercedes and being given a choice to keep 2. I get why hirst and banksy are legends, brainwash is not on their level, but the piece is cool and 1 of 1 which is not the case with the others. I still appreciate all the valuable insight and had alot of questions answered that I wouldn't have otherwise been able to answer. Who knows maybe the 1 of 1 brainwash is $50k one day and I regret it, I've seen crazier things happen. Mr Brainwash, a rolls royce?, more like a battered old skoda from the 80's!
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silvermyn
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by silvermyn on Mar 26, 2018 15:31:34 GMT 1, Haha, so even though its a unique you think it has the least potential? Is there any particular reason, I know the story of brainwash and I know many dont like him, but I bought it bc I just loved it Im just interested in learning more why alot of people just dislike him so much, I see his instagram posts and he gets some serious hate haha. Then I see others say he's the mozart of our generation. So would love to learn. Just my personal opinion. Banksy could start selling 1/1 gold plated turds and I wouldnโt want one of those either,.Iโm sure somebody would though.... Are these turds confirmed or are they... wait for it... still in the pipeline?
Haha, so even though its a unique you think it has the least potential? Is there any particular reason, I know the story of brainwash and I know many dont like him, but I bought it bc I just loved it Im just interested in learning more why alot of people just dislike him so much, I see his instagram posts and he gets some serious hate haha. Then I see others say he's the mozart of our generation. So would love to learn. Just my personal opinion. Banksy could start selling 1/1 gold plated turds and I wouldnโt want one of those either,.Iโm sure somebody would though.... Are these turds confirmed or are they... wait for it... still in the pipeline?
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bentheartfan
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by bentheartfan on Mar 26, 2018 17:21:57 GMT 1, Just my personal opinion. Banksy could start selling 1/1 gold plated turds and I wouldnโt want one of those either,.Iโm sure somebody would though.... Are these turds confirmed or are they... wait for it... still in the pipeline?
Signed ??
Just my personal opinion. Banksy could start selling 1/1 gold plated turds and I wouldnโt want one of those either,.Iโm sure somebody would though.... Are these turds confirmed or are they... wait for it... still in the pipeline? Signed ??
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I have 3 Pieces And Need To Sell 1, Can You Help Me Decide?, by Pysgod on Mar 26, 2018 19:16:45 GMT 1, Where is the market really for the methylamine 13c piece and the banksy morons piece? The hirst I know one sold for 22,500 pounds last jan and now this week I don't think it fetched even 10k at sothebys and didn't sell, so is the 22,500 pounds the anomaly or is the sub 10k pounds the anomaly? I concur with you all that hirst and banksy are 2 of the more famous artists alive today. I guess the brainwash it is! Speaking of brainwash, I've never really been able to find any info on how many "uniques" exist when it comes to something like my everyday life piece, but seemingly every gallery I go to has some! So I question just how "unique" it is. Have you watched Exit through the gift shop ?
Where is the market really for the methylamine 13c piece and the banksy morons piece? The hirst I know one sold for 22,500 pounds last jan and now this week I don't think it fetched even 10k at sothebys and didn't sell, so is the 22,500 pounds the anomaly or is the sub 10k pounds the anomaly? I concur with you all that hirst and banksy are 2 of the more famous artists alive today. I guess the brainwash it is! Speaking of brainwash, I've never really been able to find any info on how many "uniques" exist when it comes to something like my everyday life piece, but seemingly every gallery I go to has some! So I question just how "unique" it is. Have you watched Exit through the gift shop ?
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