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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by caruso on Jun 28, 2018 8:51:07 GMT 1, Not disputing that, just be honest about it. To be honest I strongly doubt any of these lottery methods are fair. I would put money on either holding back prints to give to 'friends' or putting prints to the side to give to others who reciprocate. Its the only reason I can see that so many of the usual suspects on here 'win' these lottery systems. The only question - if this can be proved is it illegal?? Maybe something to think about and look into.
I think you're right. My guess is only 60/80 are available in the lottery. 600 cards printed initially means a 10% chance, seems fair and logical. Now with almost twice that many one entry is a small 5%.
Not disputing that, just be honest about it. To be honest I strongly doubt any of these lottery methods are fair. I would put money on either holding back prints to give to 'friends' or putting prints to the side to give to others who reciprocate. Its the only reason I can see that so many of the usual suspects on here 'win' these lottery systems. The only question - if this can be proved is it illegal?? Maybe something to think about and look into. I think you're right. My guess is only 60/80 are available in the lottery. 600 cards printed initially means a 10% chance, seems fair and logical. Now with almost twice that many one entry is a small 5%. |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by caruso on Jun 28, 2018 8:52:53 GMT 1, regardless how the lottery is done, i dont really care. i never expected to win, with one ticket i have more chance not getting one than i do getting one, i was happy with the mini print regardless to be honest, and its the one of the better lotterys ive seen anyway, with so much money being raised for a worthwhile charity that the artist likes, who can really complain, if its true they sold nearly a 1000, then fair play, thats an extra 20,000 euros for a worthwhile cause.
Agreed, but the extra carbon footprint of the people who travelled to enter and wouldn't have otherwise can't be ignored, especially since the show and charity are environment focused.
regardless how the lottery is done, i dont really care. i never expected to win, with one ticket i have more chance not getting one than i do getting one, i was happy with the mini print regardless to be honest, and its the one of the better lotterys ive seen anyway, with so much money being raised for a worthwhile charity that the artist likes, who can really complain, if its true they sold nearly a 1000, then fair play, thats an extra 20,000 euros for a worthwhile cause. Agreed, but the extra carbon footprint of the people who travelled to enter and wouldn't have otherwise can't be ignored, especially since the show and charity are environment focused. |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by Carl Cashman on Jun 28, 2018 8:58:28 GMT 1, regardless how the lottery is done, i dont really care. i never expected to win, with one ticket i have more chance not getting one than i do getting one, i was happy with the mini print regardless to be honest, and its the one of the better lotterys ive seen anyway, with so much money being raised for a worthwhile charity that the artist likes, who can really complain, if its true they sold nearly a 1000, then fair play, thats an extra 20,000 euros for a worthwhile cause.
regardless how the lottery is done, i dont really care. i never expected to win, with one ticket i have more chance not getting one than i do getting one, i was happy with the mini print regardless to be honest, and its the one of the better lotterys ive seen anyway, with so much money being raised for a worthwhile charity that the artist likes, who can really complain, if its true they sold nearly a 1000, then fair play, thats an extra 20,000 euros for a worthwhile cause. 100% this |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by caruso on Jun 28, 2018 8:58:54 GMT 1, Better chances on this than against bots tho. Good luck all.
So true...
Better chances on this than against bots tho. Good luck all. So true... |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by Coach on Jun 28, 2018 9:14:45 GMT 1, regardless how the lottery is done, i dont really care. i never expected to win, with one ticket i have more chance not getting one than i do getting one, i was happy with the mini print regardless to be honest, and its the one of the better lotterys ive seen anyway, with so much money being raised for a worthwhile charity that the artist likes, who can really complain, if its true they sold nearly a 1000, then fair play, thats an extra 20,000 euros for a worthwhile cause.
Well said.
regardless how the lottery is done, i dont really care. i never expected to win, with one ticket i have more chance not getting one than i do getting one, i was happy with the mini print regardless to be honest, and its the one of the better lotterys ive seen anyway, with so much money being raised for a worthwhile charity that the artist likes, who can really complain, if its true they sold nearly a 1000, then fair play, thats an extra 20,000 euros for a worthwhile cause. Well said. |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by whob1 on Jun 28, 2018 9:23:18 GMT 1, The negative about this is that not everyone has a chance to travel. And the people who could, could buy unlimited tickets for family and friends, and keep them all. If it was "buy one print per person" at the exhibition, it would have been better in my opinion. Fair/unfair, it is what it is, and a luxury problem after all. To get a Miller print you are more or less selectively picked. I think today we will see some people end up with several prints.
Good luck everyone!
The negative about this is that not everyone has a chance to travel. And the people who could, could buy unlimited tickets for family and friends, and keep them all. If it was "buy one print per person" at the exhibition, it would have been better in my opinion. Fair/unfair, it is what it is, and a luxury problem after all. To get a Miller print you are more or less selectively picked. I think today we will see some people end up with several prints.
Good luck everyone!
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by swissmade on Jun 28, 2018 9:27:54 GMT 1, Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was said that multiple entries will be disqualified.
Good luck all.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was said that multiple entries will be disqualified.
Good luck all.
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by whob1 on Jun 28, 2018 9:33:26 GMT 1, Yes, but John Doe could sign up uncle Sam and aunt Jessica and so on.
Yes, but John Doe could sign up uncle Sam and aunt Jessica and so on.
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by oxfordwelshchap on Jun 28, 2018 9:33:27 GMT 1, regardless how the lottery is done, i dont really care. i never expected to win, with one ticket i have more chance not getting one than i do getting one, i was happy with the mini print regardless to be honest, and its the one of the better lotterys ive seen anyway, with so much money being raised for a worthwhile charity that the artist likes, who can really complain, if its true they sold nearly a 1000, then fair play, thats an extra 20,000 euros for a worthwhile cause.
Shame its the same old faces 'winning' the prints though. An unusual mixture of philanthropy and corruption.
regardless how the lottery is done, i dont really care. i never expected to win, with one ticket i have more chance not getting one than i do getting one, i was happy with the mini print regardless to be honest, and its the one of the better lotterys ive seen anyway, with so much money being raised for a worthwhile charity that the artist likes, who can really complain, if its true they sold nearly a 1000, then fair play, thats an extra 20,000 euros for a worthwhile cause. I can not disagree with your points as this is the only reason I keep entering these lottery events. Shame its the same old faces 'winning' the prints though. An unusual mixture of philanthropy and corruption. |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by oxfordwelshchap on Jun 28, 2018 9:34:30 GMT 1, Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was said that multiple entries will be disqualified. Good luck all. 
Correct me if I'm wrong, but it was said that multiple entries will be disqualified. Good luck all. Like with the banksy lottery you mean? |
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Carl Cashman
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by Carl Cashman on Jun 28, 2018 9:35:43 GMT 1,
The negative about this is that not everyone has a chance to travel. And the people who could, could buy unlimited tickets for family and friends, and keep them all. If it was "buy one print per person" at the exhibition, it would have been better in my opinion. Fair/unfair, it is what it is, and a luxury problem after all. To get a Miller print you are more or less selectively picked. I think today we will see some people end up with several prints. Good luck everyone!
I think people pick what's most fair if it would have helped them. People in the states would complain they can't make it due to costs, some that did will complain that another person could afford to buy more than 1 etc.
If someone 'wins' 10 prints in there mums dogs sisters name then so be it ! That's no different to every other single release by a gallery
The negative about this is that not everyone has a chance to travel. And the people who could, could buy unlimited tickets for family and friends, and keep them all. If it was "buy one print per person" at the exhibition, it would have been better in my opinion. Fair/unfair, it is what it is, and a luxury problem after all. To get a Miller print you are more or less selectively picked. I think today we will see some people end up with several prints. Good luck everyone! I think people pick what's most fair if it would have helped them. People in the states would complain they can't make it due to costs, some that did will complain that another person could afford to buy more than 1 etc. If someone 'wins' 10 prints in there mums dogs sisters name then so be it ! That's no different to every other single release by a gallery |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by caruso on Jun 28, 2018 9:40:56 GMT 1, Most of the people who praise the system as it is and the possibility for one person to win multiple times are those very same people who actually entered their dog, cousins, siblings, neighbours etc... Conflict of interest.
Most of the people who praise the system as it is and the possibility for one person to win multiple times are those very same people who actually entered their dog, cousins, siblings, neighbours etc... Conflict of interest.
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by raphyki55 on Jun 28, 2018 9:41:21 GMT 1, The negative about this is that not everyone has a chance to travel. And the people who could, could buy unlimited tickets for family and friends, and keep them all. If it was "buy one print per person" at the exhibition, it would have been better in my opinion. Fair/unfair, it is what it is, and a luxury problem after all. To get a Miller print you are more or less selectively picked. I think today we will see some people end up with several prints. Good luck everyone! I think people pick what's most fair if it would have helped them. People in the states would complain they can't make it due to costs, some that did will complain that another person could afford to buy more than 1 etc. If someone 'wins' 10 prints in there mums dogs sisters name then so be it ! That's no different to every other single release by a gallery
Yes there is, you can’t be online and buy 10 prints on a single release...
The negative about this is that not everyone has a chance to travel. And the people who could, could buy unlimited tickets for family and friends, and keep them all. If it was "buy one print per person" at the exhibition, it would have been better in my opinion. Fair/unfair, it is what it is, and a luxury problem after all. To get a Miller print you are more or less selectively picked. I think today we will see some people end up with several prints. Good luck everyone! I think people pick what's most fair if it would have helped them. People in the states would complain they can't make it due to costs, some that did will complain that another person could afford to buy more than 1 etc. If someone 'wins' 10 prints in there mums dogs sisters name then so be it ! That's no different to every other single release by a gallery Yes there is, you can’t be online and buy 10 prints on a single release... |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by whob1 on Jun 28, 2018 9:42:00 GMT 1, Dont agree. Its higher probability here that a few people will end up with several prints, than at many other releases.
Dont agree. Its higher probability here that a few people will end up with several prints, than at many other releases.
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by Graham H on Jun 28, 2018 9:45:58 GMT 1, Two things we seem to be forgetting is that this was about an art display by a great artist.. not really about going just to buy a ticket.. I went for the show, not to buy a ticket..but bought one as would be expected as I was there.
The second thing to remember is that there will be a massive amount of money going to a charity on the back of the process.. which is great.. and should also hopefully be more important than threads saying how disappointed they are / unfair / annoyed they missed out
Is it just me, or does it stand to reason that Max will look at the situation and not allocate more than one print to a person or address.. if they are drawn out more than once.
Yes, you will have a better chance than someone who has entered only once, but you wont be getting more than one. From my undertsanding, Max's thoughts is to get the artists work into the hands of as many new collectors in as many different places as possible.. to build his collector base to quote art industry cliche...so to sell more than one to one person makes no sense.
Just for ref, I went to the show and only bought one ticket ( my wife went with me and didnt buy one ).. If i am lucky, great.. i love the image, if not, i really enjoyed the show and love the artists work and am excited to see what he plans next
Short message that turned into a waffle.. sorry! 
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The negative about this is that not everyone has a chance to travel. And the people who could, could buy unlimited tickets for family and friends, and keep them all. If it was "buy one print per person" at the exhibition, it would have been better in my opinion. Fair/unfair, it is what it is, and a luxury problem after all. To get a Miller print you are more or less selectively picked. I think today we will see some people end up with several prints. Good luck everyone!
Two things we seem to be forgetting is that this was about an art display by a great artist.. not really about going just to buy a ticket.. I went for the show, not to buy a ticket..but bought one as would be expected as I was there. The second thing to remember is that there will be a massive amount of money going to a charity on the back of the process.. which is great.. and should also hopefully be more important than threads saying how disappointed they are / unfair / annoyed they missed out Is it just me, or does it stand to reason that Max will look at the situation and not allocate more than one print to a person or address.. if they are drawn out more than once. Yes, you will have a better chance than someone who has entered only once, but you wont be getting more than one. From my undertsanding, Max's thoughts is to get the artists work into the hands of as many new collectors in as many different places as possible.. to build his collector base to quote art industry cliche...so to sell more than one to one person makes no sense. Just for ref, I went to the show and only bought one ticket ( my wife went with me and didnt buy one ).. If i am lucky, great.. i love the image, if not, i really enjoyed the show and love the artists work and am excited to see what he plans next Short message that turned into a waffle.. sorry! G The negative about this is that not everyone has a chance to travel. And the people who could, could buy unlimited tickets for family and friends, and keep them all. If it was "buy one print per person" at the exhibition, it would have been better in my opinion. Fair/unfair, it is what it is, and a luxury problem after all. To get a Miller print you are more or less selectively picked. I think today we will see some people end up with several prints. Good luck everyone! |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by Carl Cashman on Jun 28, 2018 9:47:03 GMT 1, I think people pick what's most fair if it would have helped them. People in the states would complain they can't make it due to costs, some that did will complain that another person could afford to buy more than 1 etc. If someone 'wins' 10 prints in there mums dogs sisters name then so be it ! That's no different to every other single release by a gallery Yes there is, you can’t be online and buy 10 prints on a single release...
My point is, people will always complain... as the last few posts show.
I think people pick what's most fair if it would have helped them. People in the states would complain they can't make it due to costs, some that did will complain that another person could afford to buy more than 1 etc. If someone 'wins' 10 prints in there mums dogs sisters name then so be it ! That's no different to every other single release by a gallery Yes there is, you can’t be online and buy 10 prints on a single release... Why not ? You can get 10 mates to sit down and press f5 for you ? How about a bot ? I'm presuming people that use them don't need to sit and check out 10 times My point is, people will always complain... as the last few posts show. |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by whob1 on Jun 28, 2018 9:55:04 GMT 1, Yes there is, you can’t be online and buy 10 prints on a single release... Why not ? You can get 10 mates to sit down and press f5 for you ? How about a bot ? I'm presuming people that use them don't need to sit and check out 10 times My point is, people will always complain... as the last few posts show.
Yes there is, you can’t be online and buy 10 prints on a single release... Why not ? You can get 10 mates to sit down and press f5 for you ? How about a bot ? I'm presuming people that use them don't need to sit and check out 10 times My point is, people will always complain... as the last few posts show. Agree many people complains, but discussing a release method is not to complain, thats discussing and should be allowed in a forum. I am just claiming that by using this way of releasing a print, it is a higher propability that one person secures more prints than other methods. |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by Carl Cashman on Jun 28, 2018 10:11:30 GMT 1, Why not ? You can get 10 mates to sit down and press f5 for you ? How about a bot ? I'm presuming people that use them don't need to sit and check out 10 times My point is, people will always complain... as the last few posts show. Agree many people complains, but discussing a release method is not to complain, thats discussing and should be allowed in a forum. I am just claiming that by using this way of releasing a print, it is a higher propability that one person secures more prints than other methods.
Why not ? You can get 10 mates to sit down and press f5 for you ? How about a bot ? I'm presuming people that use them don't need to sit and check out 10 times My point is, people will always complain... as the last few posts show. Agree many people complains, but discussing a release method is not to complain, thats discussing and should be allowed in a forum. I am just claiming that by using this way of releasing a print, it is a higher propability that one person secures more prints than other methods. Oh well, come 5pm most won't own a print they didn't own this morning and the world will continue turning. |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by Deleted on Jun 28, 2018 10:43:16 GMT 1, Americans complain about the unfair lottery system i.e having to be there to get a ticket. Europeans will complain next year when show is in US for an unfair lottery system. Life cycle.
Americans complain about the unfair lottery system i.e having to be there to get a ticket. Europeans will complain next year when show is in US for an unfair lottery system. Life cycle.
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by badgersurf on Jun 28, 2018 10:45:28 GMT 1, Just back off holiday, being going through the pictures from the show, it looked amazing, shame to have not been able to go.
A very big thanks to Nighthawk for dropping my name into the lottery (really love how forum members help each other out).
Just back off holiday, being going through the pictures from the show, it looked amazing, shame to have not been able to go.
A very big thanks to Nighthawk for dropping my name into the lottery (really love how forum members help each other out).
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by shy on Jun 28, 2018 10:46:16 GMT 1, Ok Ok there are some people that just don't respect Pejac's art.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But I think it's great.
And the exposure to the American market can and only will help him!
Ok Ok there are some people that just don't respect Pejac's art.
Everyone is entitled to an opinion. But I think it's great.
And the exposure to the American market can and only will help him!
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by oxfordwelshchap on Jun 28, 2018 10:46:34 GMT 1, Does anyone know what time the draw is? Will everyone get an email or just the 'winners'/those pre chosen few?
Does anyone know what time the draw is? Will everyone get an email or just the 'winners'/those pre chosen few?
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by oxfordwelshchap on Jun 28, 2018 10:47:20 GMT 1, Just back off holiday, being going through the pictures from the show, it looked amazing, shame to have not been able to go. A very big thanks to Nighthawk for dropping my name into the lottery (really love how forum members help each other out).
Just back off holiday, being going through the pictures from the show, it looked amazing, shame to have not been able to go. A very big thanks to Nighthawk for dropping my name into the lottery (really love how forum members help each other out). Also Divejedi - a true gentleman. |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by Coach on Jun 28, 2018 10:48:10 GMT 1, Most of the people who praise the system as it is and the possibility for one person to win multiple times are those very same people who actually entered their dog, cousins, siblings, neighbours etc... Conflict of interest.
I don’t understand how you can know that, and state it as a fact.
I know lots of people, myself included, who think this is an ok system, and have entered only once, myself included.
Generally (not directed at the post I’ve quoted) yes, the system is open to abuse. As are many. I entered the Banksy lottery only once. And failed!
Bottom line for me, circa 20 grand is going to charity, and we all have a reasonable chance of an opportunity to buy.
Most of the people who praise the system as it is and the possibility for one person to win multiple times are those very same people who actually entered their dog, cousins, siblings, neighbours etc... Conflict of interest. I don’t understand how you can know that, and state it as a fact. I know lots of people, myself included, who think this is an ok system, and have entered only once, myself included. Generally (not directed at the post I’ve quoted) yes, the system is open to abuse. As are many. I entered the Banksy lottery only once. And failed! Bottom line for me, circa 20 grand is going to charity, and we all have a reasonable chance of an opportunity to buy. |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by shy on Jun 28, 2018 10:52:15 GMT 1, Coach makes valid points!
Coach makes valid points!
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by Dive Jedi on Jun 28, 2018 11:14:30 GMT 1,
Some people are just bad losers even before they actually lost....
Or maybe they are just losers.
Some people are just bad losers even before they actually lost....
Or maybe they are just losers.
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by Dive Jedi on Jun 28, 2018 11:17:55 GMT 1, Americans complain about the unfair lottery system i.e having to be there to get a ticket. Europeans will complain next year when show is in US for an unfair lottery system. Life cycle.
I entered some USA members that couldn't attend and I'm sure they will return the favour.
And met with some cool US members in Paris that will help me out if needed.
That's a life cycle when you approach things positive.
Unlike some people who just complain about everything.
Americans complain about the unfair lottery system i.e having to be there to get a ticket. Europeans will complain next year when show is in US for an unfair lottery system. Life cycle. I won't complain about a USA lottery. I entered some USA members that couldn't attend and I'm sure they will return the favour. And met with some cool US members in Paris that will help me out if needed. That's a life cycle when you approach things positive. Unlike some people who just complain about everything. |
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by jasper73 on Jun 28, 2018 11:24:01 GMT 1, Im not complaining.. Ive a nice little postcard print of a great image.
Im not complaining.. Ive a nice little postcard print of a great image.
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by wottagunn on Jun 28, 2018 11:33:18 GMT 1, Just got the email!!!
Nah not really
Just got the email!!!
Nah not really
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Pejac Paris show June 20th - 24th, by GMA on Jun 28, 2018 11:38:20 GMT 1, Just got the email!!! Nah not really
You absolute bastard lolol
Just got the email!!! Nah not really You absolute bastard lolol |
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