skAcid
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by skAcid on Jun 18, 2018 14:35:05 GMT 1, Has the print game gone soft!?
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Is it the print buyers who have gone soft?
Has the print game gone soft!?
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Is it the print buyers who have gone soft?
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 14:53:25 GMT 1, A lot of print releases are now deemed an easy way to turn a quick profit, just the same way supreme, sneakers and other ltd edition items are. Half the print releases wouldn't sell out if you took the potential financial gain out of the equation. Same way you wouldn't pay ยฃ500 for a Harland Miller if it was an open edition giclee. Unless you are minted you don't want to spend that sort of money without the security of getting at least some of it back if you needed to.
I agree that it's very difficult for artists to come up with anything new and even the established ones are often influenced by a predecessor, including Banksy. Some Established artists such as Walker and Eine do churn the same stuff out monthly, but can you blame them when it's still selling. As for 'Street Art' it's very difficult these days to find anywhere decent that doesn't have cctv cameras, and all your established artists now only paint in approved places. End of stating the obvious.
A lot of print releases are now deemed an easy way to turn a quick profit, just the same way supreme, sneakers and other ltd edition items are. Half the print releases wouldn't sell out if you took the potential financial gain out of the equation. Same way you wouldn't pay ยฃ500 for a Harland Miller if it was an open edition giclee. Unless you are minted you don't want to spend that sort of money without the security of getting at least some of it back if you needed to.
I agree that it's very difficult for artists to come up with anything new and even the established ones are often influenced by a predecessor, including Banksy. Some Established artists such as Walker and Eine do churn the same stuff out monthly, but can you blame them when it's still selling. As for 'Street Art' it's very difficult these days to find anywhere decent that doesn't have cctv cameras, and all your established artists now only paint in approved places. End of stating the obvious.
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 18, 2018 18:58:39 GMT 1, Has the print game gone soft!? OR Is it the print buyers who have gone soft?
Ha....fair point, I definitely have and it kisses me right off but made the decision not to support the shite.....I'm gonna be one of the cool kids again!....do people still say cool!?
Has the print game gone soft!? OR Is it the print buyers who have gone soft? Ha....fair point, I definitely have and it kisses me right off but made the decision not to support the shite.....I'm gonna be one of the cool kids again!....do people still say cool!?
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 18, 2018 19:00:01 GMT 1, A lot of print releases are now deemed an easy way to turn a quick profit, just the same way supreme, sneakers and other ltd edition items are. Half the print releases wouldn't sell out if you took the potential financial gain out of the equation. Same way you wouldn't pay ยฃ500 for a Harland Miller if it was an open edition giclee. Unless you are minted you don't want to spend that sort of money without the security of getting at least some of it back if you needed to. I agree that it's very difficult for artists to come up with anything new and even the established ones are often influenced by a predecessor, including Banksy. Some Established artists such as Walker and Eine do churn the same stuff out monthly, but can you blame them when it's still selling. As for 'Street Art' it's very difficult these days to find anywhere decent that doesn't have cctv cameras, and all your established artists now only paint in approved places. End of stating the obvious.
Yarp....it doesn't need to be new it just needs to be authentic.
A lot of print releases are now deemed an easy way to turn a quick profit, just the same way supreme, sneakers and other ltd edition items are. Half the print releases wouldn't sell out if you took the potential financial gain out of the equation. Same way you wouldn't pay ยฃ500 for a Harland Miller if it was an open edition giclee. Unless you are minted you don't want to spend that sort of money without the security of getting at least some of it back if you needed to. I agree that it's very difficult for artists to come up with anything new and even the established ones are often influenced by a predecessor, including Banksy. Some Established artists such as Walker and Eine do churn the same stuff out monthly, but can you blame them when it's still selling. As for 'Street Art' it's very difficult these days to find anywhere decent that doesn't have cctv cameras, and all your established artists now only paint in approved places. End of stating the obvious. Yarp....it doesn't need to be new it just needs to be authentic.
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lg2771
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by lg2771 on Jun 18, 2018 19:05:36 GMT 1, Do you guys think your kids will care about your framed books, colorless silhouettes with tags on etc etc? As long as it is not a hologram, our future generations will not care. 2D is dead. Long live the future and all the dimensions.
I disagree. As long as the future steers towards technology and prints become more and more obsolete then they will also become more and more rare. People love things that are rare. Thatโs why everything is limited edition.
Do you guys think your kids will care about your framed books, colorless silhouettes with tags on etc etc? As long as it is not a hologram, our future generations will not care. 2D is dead. Long live the future and all the dimensions. I disagree. As long as the future steers towards technology and prints become more and more obsolete then they will also become more and more rare. People love things that are rare. Thatโs why everything is limited edition.
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 18, 2018 19:57:39 GMT 1, Do you guys think your kids will care about your framed books, colorless silhouettes with tags on etc etc? As long as it is not a hologram, our future generations will not care. 2D is dead. Long live the future and all the dimensions. I disagree. As long as the future steers towards technology and prints become more and more obsolete then they will also become more and more rare. People love things that are rare. Thatโs why everything is limited edition.
Scarcity doesn't make something good though does it? That theory only works if it's dope in the first place.
Do you guys think your kids will care about your framed books, colorless silhouettes with tags on etc etc? As long as it is not a hologram, our future generations will not care. 2D is dead. Long live the future and all the dimensions. I disagree. As long as the future steers towards technology and prints become more and more obsolete then they will also become more and more rare. People love things that are rare. Thatโs why everything is limited edition. Scarcity doesn't make something good though does it? That theory only works if it's dope in the first place.
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Guy Denning
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Guy Denning on Jun 18, 2018 21:01:07 GMT 1, and all your established artists now only paint in approved places. Wrong. It might not be signed. It might not be in an obviously identifiable style. But the desire that fired up the need to make a mess hasn't gone from all of the old farts.
and all your established artists now only paint in approved places. Wrong. It might not be signed. It might not be in an obviously identifiable style. But the desire that fired up the need to make a mess hasn't gone from all of the old farts.
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lg2771
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by lg2771 on Jun 18, 2018 21:09:15 GMT 1, I disagree. As long as the future steers towards technology and prints become more and more obsolete then they will also become more and more rare. People love things that are rare. Thatโs why everything is limited edition. Scarcity doesn't make something good though does it? That theory only works if it's dope in the first place. I think smart people will always recognize things for their creativeness and are able to critique things and determine whether a print is good or not. But there are a lot of daft people with money who will buy something just because it's rare I feel. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
I disagree. As long as the future steers towards technology and prints become more and more obsolete then they will also become more and more rare. People love things that are rare. Thatโs why everything is limited edition. Scarcity doesn't make something good though does it? That theory only works if it's dope in the first place. I think smart people will always recognize things for their creativeness and are able to critique things and determine whether a print is good or not. But there are a lot of daft people with money who will buy something just because it's rare I feel. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 18, 2018 21:23:36 GMT 1, Scarcity doesn't make something good though does it? That theory only works if it's dope in the first place. I think smart people will always recognize things for their creativeness and are able to critique things and determineย whetherย a print is good or not. But there are a lot of daft people with money who will buy something just because it's rare I feel.ย ย ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏย
So stop buying shit people!
Scarcity doesn't make something good though does it? That theory only works if it's dope in the first place. I think smart people will always recognize things for their creativeness and are able to critique things and determineย whetherย a print is good or not. But there are a lot of daft people with money who will buy something just because it's rare I feel.ย ย ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏย So stop buying shit people!
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Deleted on Jun 18, 2018 21:35:45 GMT 1, I think smart people will always recognize things for their creativeness and are able to critique things and determine whether a print is good or not. But there are a lot of daft people with money who will buy something just because it's rare I feel. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ So stop buyings**t people!
Its a false market, the artists think they are producing stuff people want as the portfolio boys mop it up
The portfolio boys just listen to the hype ands**t the galleries and threads on here feed them and buy the artist the same as penny share investors buy into companies
so blame the.............
portfolio queens
they buy any old s**t hoping they can sell it at some stage for a profit
They wouldn't dream of paying for framing and putting any of the s**t they buy on their walls
I wonder how many prints get framed? 10% maybe?
There is also the big fear of missing out that limited editions bring to the market, that feeds the addiction for us all i guess
I think smart people will always recognize things for their creativeness and are able to critique things and determine whether a print is good or not. But there are a lot of daft people with money who will buy something just because it's rare I feel. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ So stop buyings**t people! Its a false market, the artists think they are producing stuff people want as the portfolio boys mop it up The portfolio boys just listen to the hype ands**t the galleries and threads on here feed them and buy the artist the same as penny share investors buy into companies so blame the............. portfolio queens they buy any old s**t hoping they can sell it at some stage for a profit They wouldn't dream of paying for framing and putting any of the s**t they buy on their walls I wonder how many prints get framed? 10% maybe? There is also the big fear of missing out that limited editions bring to the market, that feeds the addiction for us all i guess
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quinn
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by quinn on Jun 18, 2018 21:47:29 GMT 1, So stop buyings**t people! Its a false market, the artists think they are producing stuff people want as the portfolio boys mop it up The portfolio boys just listen to the hype ands**t the galleries and threads on here feed them and buy the artist the same as penny share investors buy into companies so blame the............. portfolio queens they buy any old s**t hoping they can sell it at some stage for a profit They wouldn't dream of paying for framing and putting any of the s**t they buy on their walls I wonder how many prints get framed? 10% maybe? There is also the big fear of missing out that limited editions bring to the market, that feeds the addiction for us all i guess Portfolio boys.....portfolio queens! Awesome!
So stop buyings**t people! Its a false market, the artists think they are producing stuff people want as the portfolio boys mop it up The portfolio boys just listen to the hype ands**t the galleries and threads on here feed them and buy the artist the same as penny share investors buy into companies so blame the............. portfolio queens they buy any old s**t hoping they can sell it at some stage for a profit They wouldn't dream of paying for framing and putting any of the s**t they buy on their walls I wonder how many prints get framed? 10% maybe? There is also the big fear of missing out that limited editions bring to the market, that feeds the addiction for us all i guess Portfolio boys.....portfolio queens! Awesome!
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Leo Boyd on Jun 18, 2018 22:02:22 GMT 1, Do you guys think your kids will care about your framed books, colorless silhouettes with tags on etc etc? As long as it is not a hologram, our future generations will not care. 2D is dead. Long live the future and all the dimensions. I disagree. As long as the future steers towards technology and prints become more and more obsolete then they will also become more and more rare. People love things that are rare. Thatโs why everything is limited edition. In the Man in the High Castle by P.K.Dick there is a future market for yee olde time american artifacts which are fetishised by the new rulers... but one of the main characters jobs is creating authentic fakes for this market. It is a pretty amazing book.
Do you guys think your kids will care about your framed books, colorless silhouettes with tags on etc etc? As long as it is not a hologram, our future generations will not care. 2D is dead. Long live the future and all the dimensions. I disagree. As long as the future steers towards technology and prints become more and more obsolete then they will also become more and more rare. People love things that are rare. Thatโs why everything is limited edition. In the Man in the High Castle by P.K.Dick there is a future market for yee olde time american artifacts which are fetishised by the new rulers... but one of the main characters jobs is creating authentic fakes for this market. It is a pretty amazing book.
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irl1
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by irl1 on Jun 18, 2018 22:04:48 GMT 1, So stop buyings**t people! Its a false market, the artists think they are producing stuff people want as the portfolio boys mop it up The portfolio boys just listen to the hype ands**t the galleries and threads on here feed them and buy the artist the same as penny share investors buy into companies so blame the............. portfolio queens they buy any olds**t hoping they can sell it at some stage for a profit They wouldn't dream of paying for framing and putting any of thes**t they buy on their walls There is also the big fear of missing out that limited editions bring to the market Or am i being harsh? No your bang on right there. The amount of people selling here saying, Mint condition never framed or stored flat in this that and the other. This is really why i don't buy many prints unless i'm giving someone a present. I purchased a few originals in the last few weeks (not too expensive) and all them are now framed. Hands up on the Walled Off prints and some sections, sold a few, and still have too many.
Prints were originally for the person who liked a certain artist but could not afford an original. Now its all for huge profit and churn them out as quick as possible. Sometimes i wonder if these guys just want to come on here bragging about how they bagged this and that. You can nearly see their faces gleaming in their posts about how they got this edition and that edition. I just don't get this keeping the prints in folders under the bed, the only thing under my bed is dust.
So stop buyings**t people! Its a false market, the artists think they are producing stuff people want as the portfolio boys mop it up The portfolio boys just listen to the hype ands**t the galleries and threads on here feed them and buy the artist the same as penny share investors buy into companies so blame the............. portfolio queens they buy any olds**t hoping they can sell it at some stage for a profit They wouldn't dream of paying for framing and putting any of thes**t they buy on their walls There is also the big fear of missing out that limited editions bring to the market Or am i being harsh? No your bang on right there. The amount of people selling here saying, Mint condition never framed or stored flat in this that and the other. This is really why i don't buy many prints unless i'm giving someone a present. I purchased a few originals in the last few weeks (not too expensive) and all them are now framed. Hands up on the Walled Off prints and some sections, sold a few, and still have too many. Prints were originally for the person who liked a certain artist but could not afford an original. Now its all for huge profit and churn them out as quick as possible. Sometimes i wonder if these guys just want to come on here bragging about how they bagged this and that. You can nearly see their faces gleaming in their posts about how they got this edition and that edition. I just don't get this keeping the prints in folders under the bed, the only thing under my bed is dust.
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lg2771
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by lg2771 on Jun 18, 2018 22:07:37 GMT 1, I disagree. As long as the future steers towards technology and prints become more and more obsolete then they will also become more and more rare. People love things that are rare. Thatโs why everything is limited edition. In the Man in the High Castle by P.K.Dick there is a future market for yee olde time american artifacts which are fetishised by the new rulers... but one of the main characters jobs is creating authentic fakes for this market. It is a pretty amazing book.ย
Iโve always heard of the book but never read it. Iโll give it a go!
I disagree. As long as the future steers towards technology and prints become more and more obsolete then they will also become more and more rare. People love things that are rare. Thatโs why everything is limited edition. In the Man in the High Castle by P.K.Dick there is a future market for yee olde time american artifacts which are fetishised by the new rulers... but one of the main characters jobs is creating authentic fakes for this market. It is a pretty amazing book.ย Iโve always heard of the book but never read it. Iโll give it a go!
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 18, 2018 22:08:18 GMT 1, Its a false market, the artists think they are producing stuff people want as the portfolio boys mop it up The portfolio boys just listen to the hype ands**t the galleries and threads on here feed them and buy the artist the same as penny share investors buy into companies so blame the............. portfolio queens they buy any olds**t hoping they can sell it at some stage for a profit They wouldn't dream of paying for framing and putting any of thes**t they buy on their walls There is also the big fear of missing out that limited editions bring to the market Or am i being harsh? No your bang on right there. The amount of people selling here saying, Mint condition never framed or stored flat in this that and the other. This is really why i don't buy many prints unless i'm giving someone a present. I purchased a few originals in the last few weeks (not too expensive) and all them are now framed. Hands up on the Walled Off prints and some sections, sold a few, and still have too many.ย Prints were originally for the person who liked a certain artist but could not afford an original. Now its all for huge profit and churn them out as quick as possible. Sometimes i wonder if these guys just want to come on here bragging about how they bagged this and that. You can nearly see their faces gleaming in their posts about how they got this edition and that edition. I just don't get this keeping the prints in folders under the bed, the only thing under my bed is dust.ย ย
Is that really the only thing under your bed?
Its a false market, the artists think they are producing stuff people want as the portfolio boys mop it up The portfolio boys just listen to the hype ands**t the galleries and threads on here feed them and buy the artist the same as penny share investors buy into companies so blame the............. portfolio queens they buy any olds**t hoping they can sell it at some stage for a profit They wouldn't dream of paying for framing and putting any of thes**t they buy on their walls There is also the big fear of missing out that limited editions bring to the market Or am i being harsh? No your bang on right there. The amount of people selling here saying, Mint condition never framed or stored flat in this that and the other. This is really why i don't buy many prints unless i'm giving someone a present. I purchased a few originals in the last few weeks (not too expensive) and all them are now framed. Hands up on the Walled Off prints and some sections, sold a few, and still have too many.ย Prints were originally for the person who liked a certain artist but could not afford an original. Now its all for huge profit and churn them out as quick as possible. Sometimes i wonder if these guys just want to come on here bragging about how they bagged this and that. You can nearly see their faces gleaming in their posts about how they got this edition and that edition. I just don't get this keeping the prints in folders under the bed, the only thing under my bed is dust.ย ย Is that really the only thing under your bed?
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 18, 2018 22:10:47 GMT 1, You're right though, if it's been stored in a folder it's like some kind if weird hoarding,some gratification for preventing someone else owning it. Which is hilarious. Buying for investment....wankers!
You're right though, if it's been stored in a folder it's like some kind if weird hoarding,some gratification for preventing someone else owning it. Which is hilarious. Buying for investment....wankers!
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Jaylove on Jun 18, 2018 22:11:34 GMT 1, So stop buyings**t people! Its a false market, the artists think they are producing stuff people want as the portfolio boys mop it up The portfolio boys just listen to the hype ands**t the galleries and threads on here feed them and buy the artist the same as penny share investors buy into companies so blame the............. portfolio queens they buy any old s**t hoping they can sell it at some stage for a profit They wouldn't dream of paying for framing and putting any of the s**t they buy on their walls I wonder how many prints get framed? 10% maybe? There is also the big fear of missing out that limited editions bring to the market, that feeds the addiction for us all i guess I believe this. I feel most buy with 0 intentions of putting any of it on their walls. There's only so much art you can put on your walls, so I feel most just buy to stash and then years later sell. I think some galleries even play this game too. It's not about buying what you like, it's about buying what's hot. It's all hype.
But funny enough, I think as some said, some people just like to hoard. It goes beyond money. I'm part of another site that is geared to people who like deals. You would not imagine the things people buy that they don't need just because they're getting a deal and beating others to the punch.
If I don't like it, or have no use for it, I don't buy. I've had opprotunities to buy a lot of stuff that got hyped and didn't even bother because I didn't like it or didn't have the space. I'd rathe rit go to someone who will appreciate it. Like those Maya Hayuk prints. I was up, didn't even bother. This is a hobby, not a career for me.
I frame everything I buy. With all the prints that get purchased, why don't we see too many in the framed thread? Because most are not framing them. They're keeping them on ice hoping the value quadruples.
So stop buyings**t people! Its a false market, the artists think they are producing stuff people want as the portfolio boys mop it up The portfolio boys just listen to the hype ands**t the galleries and threads on here feed them and buy the artist the same as penny share investors buy into companies so blame the............. portfolio queens they buy any old s**t hoping they can sell it at some stage for a profit They wouldn't dream of paying for framing and putting any of the s**t they buy on their walls I wonder how many prints get framed? 10% maybe? There is also the big fear of missing out that limited editions bring to the market, that feeds the addiction for us all i guess I believe this. I feel most buy with 0 intentions of putting any of it on their walls. There's only so much art you can put on your walls, so I feel most just buy to stash and then years later sell. I think some galleries even play this game too. It's not about buying what you like, it's about buying what's hot. It's all hype. But funny enough, I think as some said, some people just like to hoard. It goes beyond money. I'm part of another site that is geared to people who like deals. You would not imagine the things people buy that they don't need just because they're getting a deal and beating others to the punch. If I don't like it, or have no use for it, I don't buy. I've had opprotunities to buy a lot of stuff that got hyped and didn't even bother because I didn't like it or didn't have the space. I'd rathe rit go to someone who will appreciate it. Like those Maya Hayuk prints. I was up, didn't even bother. This is a hobby, not a career for me. I frame everything I buy. With all the prints that get purchased, why don't we see too many in the framed thread? Because most are not framing them. They're keeping them on ice hoping the value quadruples.
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irl1
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by irl1 on Jun 18, 2018 22:30:12 GMT 1, You're right though, if it's been stored in a folder it's like some kind if weird hoarding,some gratification for preventing someone else owning it. Which is hilarious. Buying for investment....wankers! Most people buy with that little bit of, hmm this should go up in value at some stage. Then the cleaver ones just know when to stop bidding. I always put my max bid in when the lot comes up, this way i don't blow more than its worth. Also if lets say i want to go to 1,000 by putting in the 1,000 before someone else i know ill get a chance of buying it at that price, if it goes over so be it. I do like change every now and then, so i would sell some of my art. If your in art for investment the only way is to buy private.
You're right though, if it's been stored in a folder it's like some kind if weird hoarding,some gratification for preventing someone else owning it. Which is hilarious. Buying for investment....wankers! Most people buy with that little bit of, hmm this should go up in value at some stage. Then the cleaver ones just know when to stop bidding. I always put my max bid in when the lot comes up, this way i don't blow more than its worth. Also if lets say i want to go to 1,000 by putting in the 1,000 before someone else i know ill get a chance of buying it at that price, if it goes over so be it. I do like change every now and then, so i would sell some of my art. If your in art for investment the only way is to buy private.
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Leo Boyd
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Leo Boyd on Jun 18, 2018 23:16:33 GMT 1, In the Man in the High Castle by P.K.Dick there is a future market for yee olde time american artifacts which are fetishised by the new rulers... but one of the main characters jobs is creating authentic fakes for this market. It is a pretty amazing book. Iโve always heard of the book but never read it. Iโll give it a go! ah sorry I should have put in a spoiler warning
In the Man in the High Castle by P.K.Dick there is a future market for yee olde time american artifacts which are fetishised by the new rulers... but one of the main characters jobs is creating authentic fakes for this market. It is a pretty amazing book. Iโve always heard of the book but never read it. Iโll give it a go! ah sorry I should have put in a spoiler warning
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lg2771
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by lg2771 on Jun 18, 2018 23:34:08 GMT 1, Iโve always heard of the book but never read it. Iโll give it a go! ah sorry I should have put in a spoiler warning
Spoilers have yet to deter me from enjoying something! I read his book that blade runner was based off and loved the writing so Iโm sure Iโll enjoy this.
Iโve always heard of the book but never read it. Iโll give it a go! ah sorry I should have put in a spoiler warning Spoilers have yet to deter me from enjoying something! I read his book that blade runner was based off and loved the writing so Iโm sure Iโll enjoy this.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by sleazus1slord on Jun 19, 2018 0:44:22 GMT 1, The print game hasn't gone soft, it's been soft. You haven't been looking in the right places. Urban art exists in the streets, and the core culture is much stronger today than it ever has been. I meet and discover many new artists through IG, and by attending various painting summits, art festivals around the world.
Google search"Baer BTR graffiti" "Amuse 126" "Ekto" "Shane ODV"
The print game hasn't gone soft, it's been soft. You haven't been looking in the right places. Urban art exists in the streets, and the core culture is much stronger today than it ever has been. I meet and discover many new artists through IG, and by attending various painting summits, art festivals around the world.
Google search"Baer BTR graffiti" "Amuse 126" "Ekto" "Shane ODV"
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by sleazus1slord on Jun 19, 2018 0:45:42 GMT 1, Having re thought it for 30 seconds Its us thats brought in all these non street dudes who like to charge like wounded bulls I think we need a few more galleries that will fix it It is quite boring now I like the way trains in London are being painted, that cheers me up, how to frame a train though? Take a high res photo and frame that.
Having re thought it for 30 seconds Its us thats brought in all these non street dudes who like to charge like wounded bulls I think we need a few more galleries that will fix it It is quite boring now I like the way trains in London are being painted, that cheers me up, how to frame a train though? Take a high res photo and frame that.
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met
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by met on Jun 19, 2018 14:35:48 GMT 1, I think smart people will always recognize things for their creativeness and are able to critique things and determine whether a print is good or not. But there are a lot of daft people with money who will buy something just because it's rare I feel. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ So stop buyings**t people!
At the risk of sounding facetious, I consider your succinct post (and the issues it raises) very interesting.
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No doubt most forum members will agree with your general sentiment.
Those who don't are probably opportunistic individuals who knowingly buy what they consider to be shit, because they're aware of the hungry market for it.
I've seen this with bedroom dealers, and also professional dealers โ including those who own brick-and-mortar galleries. The latter are quite often highly knowledgeable and experienced, with trained, discriminating eyes. They're more than capable of distinguishing the innovative from the derivative. From the coattail-riders who just ape the themes and styles of gifted artists.
Nevertheless, these professional dealers may still bolster their inventory with the likes of Mr Brainwash, Martin Whatson, The Connor Brothers, Alec Monopoly or JJ Adams. As referred to above, they do so seeing that this work consistently sells to people who know little about art.
Among novice enthusiasts and even long-term collectors, plenty will rarely set foot in galleries or museums. Many never read articles or books on art history or art criticism. Their interest (and their thinking) might be restricted to what everyone else is buying and how much pieces are selling for. In other words, restricted to current trends and demand. And if there is anything almost guaranteed to foster sheep-like behaviour (including the uncritical embrace of substandard art), it is the near-exclusive focus on what's popular and on pricing.
My impression is that the number of collectors within this category is not only significant, it's enormous. And for gallerists concerned about overheads, I can understand the temptation to take advantage of this vast obliviousness in the market. It's disreputable, but quite easy to rationalise โ especially if the compromising allows such dealers to continue showcasing work by artists whose long-term futures they actually do believe in.
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Greater scope for disagreement among forum members exists on the question of which artwork falls under the realm of shit.
In part, the answer depends on subjective opinion.
However, it also comes down to assessments made according to objective and semi-objective criteria โ e.g. technical skill, effectiveness of colour palette, compositional strength, conceptual interest, and originality or progression by reference to what already exists in the canon of art.
That's where depth of knowledge is key. And, perhaps more importantly, breadth of knowledge:
An individual may have been collecting for 10 or 20 years. Maybe they can proudly reel off every print released by, say, Banksy. In both chronological and reverse-chronological order.
But how about if they've never even heard of Irving Penn or Eli Reed; or don't know where Vermeer was from and what century he lived in; or cannot name a single Basquiat painting; or blank when the titles of Whistlejacket or Nighthawks are mentioned?
What this would indicate is a general ignorance which potentially hinders their ability, from an objective perspective, to distinguish shit from:
(i) semi-shit; and
(ii) non-shit.
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The spectrum of perceived shitinessโข is thus a relative one.
It varies according to personal preference โ which, itself, is guided by the extent to which relevant viewers are informed.
I think smart people will always recognize things for their creativeness and are able to critique things and determine whether a print is good or not. But there are a lot of daft people with money who will buy something just because it's rare I feel. ยฏ\_(ใ)_/ยฏ So stop buyings**t people! At the risk of sounding facetious, I consider your succinct post (and the issues it raises) very interesting. __________ No doubt most forum members will agree with your general sentiment. Those who don't are probably opportunistic individuals who knowingly buy what they consider to be sh it, because they're aware of the hungry market for it. I've seen this with bedroom dealers, and also professional dealers โ including those who own brick-and-mortar galleries. The latter are quite often highly knowledgeable and experienced, with trained, discriminating eyes. They're more than capable of distinguishing the innovative from the derivative. From the coattail-riders who just ape the themes and styles of gifted artists. Nevertheless, these professional dealers may still bolster their inventory with the likes of Mr Brainwash, Martin Whatson, The Connor Brothers, Alec Monopoly or JJ Adams. As referred to above, they do so seeing that this work consistently sells to people who know little about art. Among novice enthusiasts and even long-term collectors, plenty will rarely set foot in galleries or museums. Many never read articles or books on art history or art criticism. Their interest (and their thinking) might be restricted to what everyone else is buying and how much pieces are selling for. In other words, restricted to current trends and demand. And if there is anything almost guaranteed to foster sheep-like behaviour (including the uncritical embrace of substandard art), it is the near-exclusive focus on what's popular and on pricing. My impression is that the number of collectors within this category is not only significant, it's enormous. And for gallerists concerned about overheads, I can understand the temptation to take advantage of this vast obliviousness in the market. It's disreputable, but quite easy to rationalise โ especially if the compromising allows such dealers to continue showcasing work by artists whose long-term futures they actually do believe in. __________ Greater scope for disagreement among forum members exists on the question of which artwork falls under the realm of shit. In part, the answer depends on subjective opinion. However, it also comes down to assessments made according to objective and semi-objective criteria โ e.g. technical skill, effectiveness of colour palette, compositional strength, conceptual interest, and originality or progression by reference to what already exists in the canon of art. That's where depth of knowledge is key. And, perhaps more importantly, breadth of knowledge: An individual may have been collecting for 10 or 20 years. Maybe they can proudly reel off every print released by, say, Ban ksy. In both chronological and reverse-chronological order. But how about if they've never even heard of Irving Penn or Eli Reed; or don't know where Vermeer was from and what century he lived in; or cannot name a single Bas quiat painting; or blank when the titles of Whistlejacket or Nighthawks are mentioned? What this would indicate is a general ignorance which potentially hinders their ability, from an objective perspective, to distinguish sh it from: (i) semi-sh it; and (ii) non-sh it. __________ The spectrum of perceived shitinessโข is thus a relative one. It varies according to personal preference โ which, itself, is guided by the extent to which relevant viewers are informed.
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sircoxson
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by sircoxson on Jun 19, 2018 14:43:56 GMT 1, So stop buyings**t people! At the risk of sounding facetious, I consider your succinct post (and the issues it raises) very interesting. __________ No doubt most forum members will agree with your general sentiment. Those who don't are probably opportunistic individuals who knowingly buy what they consider to be sh it, because they're aware of the hungry market for it. I've seen this with bedroom dealers, and also professional dealers โ including those who own brick-and-mortar galleries. The latter are quite often highly knowledgeable and experienced, with trained, discriminating eyes. They're more than capable of distinguishing the innovative from the derivative. From the coattail-riders who just ape the themes and styles of gifted artists. Nevertheless, these professional dealers may still bolster their inventory with the likes of Mr Brainwash, Martin Whatson, The Connor Brothers, Alec Monopoly or JJ Adams. As referred to above, they do so seeing that this work consistently sells to people who know little about art. Among novice enthusiasts and even long-term collectors, plenty will rarely set foot in galleries or museums. Many never read articles or books on art history or art criticism. Their interest (and their thinking) might be restricted to what everyone else is buying and how much pieces are selling for. In other words, restricted to current trends and demand. And if there is anything almost guaranteed to foster sheep-like behaviour (including the uncritical embrace of substandard art), it is the near-exclusive focus on what's popular and on pricing. My impression is that the number of collectors within this category is not only significant, it's enormous. And for gallerists concerned about overheads, I can understand the temptation to take advantage of this vast obliviousness in the market. It's disreputable, but quite easy to rationalise โ especially if the compromising allows such dealers to continue showcasing work by artists whose long-term futures they actually do believe in. __________ Greater scope for disagreement among forum members exists on the question of which artwork falls under the realm of shit. In part, the answer depends on subjective opinion. However, it also comes down to assessments made according to objective and semi-objective criteria โ e.g. technical skill, effectiveness of colour palette, compositional strength, conceptual interest, and originality or progression by reference to what already exists in the canon of art. That's where depth of knowledge is key. And, perhaps more importantly, breadth of knowledge: An individual may have been collecting for 10 or 20 years. Maybe they can proudly reel off every print released by, say, Ban ksy. In both chronological and reverse-chronological order. But how about if they've never even heard of Irving Penn or Eli Reed; or don't know where Vermeer was from and what century he lived in; or cannot name a single Bas quiat painting; or blank when the titles of Whistlejacket or Nighthawks are mentioned? What this would indicate is a general ignorance which potentially hinders their ability, from an objective perspective, to distinguish sh it from: (i) semi-sh it; and (ii) non-sh it. __________ The spectrum of perceived shitinessโข is thus a relative one. It varies according to personal preference โ which, itself, is guided by the extent to which relevant viewers are informed. brilliant!
man, I love most of your long-ish comments, they have some substance to it, even if the topic is shitiness. keep up the good work.
So stop buyings**t people! At the risk of sounding facetious, I consider your succinct post (and the issues it raises) very interesting. __________ No doubt most forum members will agree with your general sentiment. Those who don't are probably opportunistic individuals who knowingly buy what they consider to be sh it, because they're aware of the hungry market for it. I've seen this with bedroom dealers, and also professional dealers โ including those who own brick-and-mortar galleries. The latter are quite often highly knowledgeable and experienced, with trained, discriminating eyes. They're more than capable of distinguishing the innovative from the derivative. From the coattail-riders who just ape the themes and styles of gifted artists. Nevertheless, these professional dealers may still bolster their inventory with the likes of Mr Brainwash, Martin Whatson, The Connor Brothers, Alec Monopoly or JJ Adams. As referred to above, they do so seeing that this work consistently sells to people who know little about art. Among novice enthusiasts and even long-term collectors, plenty will rarely set foot in galleries or museums. Many never read articles or books on art history or art criticism. Their interest (and their thinking) might be restricted to what everyone else is buying and how much pieces are selling for. In other words, restricted to current trends and demand. And if there is anything almost guaranteed to foster sheep-like behaviour (including the uncritical embrace of substandard art), it is the near-exclusive focus on what's popular and on pricing. My impression is that the number of collectors within this category is not only significant, it's enormous. And for gallerists concerned about overheads, I can understand the temptation to take advantage of this vast obliviousness in the market. It's disreputable, but quite easy to rationalise โ especially if the compromising allows such dealers to continue showcasing work by artists whose long-term futures they actually do believe in. __________ Greater scope for disagreement among forum members exists on the question of which artwork falls under the realm of shit. In part, the answer depends on subjective opinion. However, it also comes down to assessments made according to objective and semi-objective criteria โ e.g. technical skill, effectiveness of colour palette, compositional strength, conceptual interest, and originality or progression by reference to what already exists in the canon of art. That's where depth of knowledge is key. And, perhaps more importantly, breadth of knowledge: An individual may have been collecting for 10 or 20 years. Maybe they can proudly reel off every print released by, say, Ban ksy. In both chronological and reverse-chronological order. But how about if they've never even heard of Irving Penn or Eli Reed; or don't know where Vermeer was from and what century he lived in; or cannot name a single Bas quiat painting; or blank when the titles of Whistlejacket or Nighthawks are mentioned? What this would indicate is a general ignorance which potentially hinders their ability, from an objective perspective, to distinguish sh it from: (i) semi-sh it; and (ii) non-sh it. __________ The spectrum of perceived shitinessโข is thus a relative one. It varies according to personal preference โ which, itself, is guided by the extent to which relevant viewers are informed. brilliant! man, I love most of your long-ish comments, they have some substance to it, even if the topic is shitiness. keep up the good work.
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Dive Jedi
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Dive Jedi on Jun 19, 2018 15:34:06 GMT 1, At the risk of sounding facetious, I consider your succinct post (and the issues it raises) very interesting. __________ No doubt most forum members will agree with your general sentiment. Those who don't are probably opportunistic individuals who knowingly buy what they consider to be sh it, because they're aware of the hungry market for it. I've seen this with bedroom dealers, and also professional dealers โ including those who own brick-and-mortar galleries. The latter are quite often highly knowledgeable and experienced, with trained, discriminating eyes. They're more than capable of distinguishing the innovative from the derivative. From the coattail-riders who just ape the themes and styles of gifted artists. Nevertheless, these professional dealers may still bolster their inventory with the likes of Mr Brainwash, Martin Whatson, The Connor Brothers, Alec Monopoly or JJ Adams. As referred to above, they do so seeing that this work consistently sells to people who know little about art. Among novice enthusiasts and even long-term collectors, plenty will rarely set foot in galleries or museums. Many never read articles or books on art history or art criticism. Their interest (and their thinking) might be restricted to what everyone else is buying and how much pieces are selling for. In other words, restricted to current trends and demand. And if there is anything almost guaranteed to foster sheep-like behaviour (including the uncritical embrace of substandard art), it is the near-exclusive focus on what's popular and on pricing. My impression is that the number of collectors within this category is not only significant, it's enormous. And for gallerists concerned about overheads, I can understand the temptation to take advantage of this vast obliviousness in the market. It's disreputable, but quite easy to rationalise โ especially if the compromising allows such dealers to continue showcasing work by artists whose long-term futures they actually do believe in. __________ Greater scope for disagreement among forum members exists on the question of which artwork falls under the realm of shit. In part, the answer depends on subjective opinion. However, it also comes down to assessments made according to objective and semi-objective criteria โ e.g. technical skill, effectiveness of colour palette, compositional strength, conceptual interest, and originality or progression by reference to what already exists in the canon of art. That's where depth of knowledge is key. And, perhaps more importantly, breadth of knowledge: An individual may have been collecting for 10 or 20 years. Maybe they can proudly reel off every print released by, say, Ban ksy. In both chronological and reverse-chronological order. But how about if they've never even heard of Irving Penn or Eli Reed; or don't know where Vermeer was from and what century he lived in; or cannot name a single Bas quiat painting; or blank when the titles of Whistlejacket or Nighthawks are mentioned? What this would indicate is a general ignorance which potentially hinders their ability, from an objective perspective, to distinguish sh it from: (i) semi-sh it; and (ii) non-sh it. __________ The spectrum of perceived shitinessโข is thus a relative one. It varies according to personal preference โ which, itself, is guided by the extent to which relevant viewers are informed. brilliant! man, I love most of your long-ish comments, they have some substance to it, even if the topic iss**tiness. keep up the good work. Talking about substance : we have a very renowned museum in Holland that has this in the collection : a 56 square meter floor made of peanut butter.
Yes. For real. And you could buy a couple of Pejac OG's for it tooโฆ..
www.boijmans.nl/en/exhibitions/the-peanut-butter-platform-by-wim-t-schippers
At the risk of sounding facetious, I consider your succinct post (and the issues it raises) very interesting. __________ No doubt most forum members will agree with your general sentiment. Those who don't are probably opportunistic individuals who knowingly buy what they consider to be sh it, because they're aware of the hungry market for it. I've seen this with bedroom dealers, and also professional dealers โ including those who own brick-and-mortar galleries. The latter are quite often highly knowledgeable and experienced, with trained, discriminating eyes. They're more than capable of distinguishing the innovative from the derivative. From the coattail-riders who just ape the themes and styles of gifted artists. Nevertheless, these professional dealers may still bolster their inventory with the likes of Mr Brainwash, Martin Whatson, The Connor Brothers, Alec Monopoly or JJ Adams. As referred to above, they do so seeing that this work consistently sells to people who know little about art. Among novice enthusiasts and even long-term collectors, plenty will rarely set foot in galleries or museums. Many never read articles or books on art history or art criticism. Their interest (and their thinking) might be restricted to what everyone else is buying and how much pieces are selling for. In other words, restricted to current trends and demand. And if there is anything almost guaranteed to foster sheep-like behaviour (including the uncritical embrace of substandard art), it is the near-exclusive focus on what's popular and on pricing. My impression is that the number of collectors within this category is not only significant, it's enormous. And for gallerists concerned about overheads, I can understand the temptation to take advantage of this vast obliviousness in the market. It's disreputable, but quite easy to rationalise โ especially if the compromising allows such dealers to continue showcasing work by artists whose long-term futures they actually do believe in. __________ Greater scope for disagreement among forum members exists on the question of which artwork falls under the realm of shit. In part, the answer depends on subjective opinion. However, it also comes down to assessments made according to objective and semi-objective criteria โ e.g. technical skill, effectiveness of colour palette, compositional strength, conceptual interest, and originality or progression by reference to what already exists in the canon of art. That's where depth of knowledge is key. And, perhaps more importantly, breadth of knowledge: An individual may have been collecting for 10 or 20 years. Maybe they can proudly reel off every print released by, say, Ban ksy. In both chronological and reverse-chronological order. But how about if they've never even heard of Irving Penn or Eli Reed; or don't know where Vermeer was from and what century he lived in; or cannot name a single Bas quiat painting; or blank when the titles of Whistlejacket or Nighthawks are mentioned? What this would indicate is a general ignorance which potentially hinders their ability, from an objective perspective, to distinguish sh it from: (i) semi-sh it; and (ii) non-sh it. __________ The spectrum of perceived shitinessโข is thus a relative one. It varies according to personal preference โ which, itself, is guided by the extent to which relevant viewers are informed. brilliant! man, I love most of your long-ish comments, they have some substance to it, even if the topic iss**tiness. keep up the good work. Talking about substance : we have a very renowned museum in Holland that has this in the collection : a 56 square meter floor made of peanut butter. Yes. For real. And you could buy a couple of Pejac OG's for it tooโฆ.. www.boijmans.nl/en/exhibitions/the-peanut-butter-platform-by-wim-t-schippers
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Redbirds on Jun 19, 2018 15:49:32 GMT 1, brilliant! man, I love most of your long-ish comments, they have some substance to it, even if the topic iss**tiness. keep up the good work. Talking about substance : we have a very renowned museum in Holland that has this in the collection : a 56 square meter floor made of peanut butter. Yes. For real. And you could buy a couple of Pejac OG's for it tooโฆ.. www.boijmans.nl/en/exhibitions/the-peanut-butter-platform-by-wim-t-schippers
Wish I had that near me -Iโm so Jelly
brilliant! man, I love most of your long-ish comments, they have some substance to it, even if the topic iss**tiness. keep up the good work. Talking about substance : we have a very renowned museum in Holland that has this in the collection : a 56 square meter floor made of peanut butter. Yes. For real. And you could buy a couple of Pejac OG's for it tooโฆ.. www.boijmans.nl/en/exhibitions/the-peanut-butter-platform-by-wim-t-schippersWish I had that near me -Iโm so Jelly
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by gd79 on Jun 19, 2018 15:54:11 GMT 1, The market gets the product it deserves
The market gets the product it deserves
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 16:55:41 GMT 1, brilliant! man, I love most of your long-ish comments, they have some substance to it, even if the topic iss**tiness. keep up the good work. Talking about substance : we have a very renowned museum in Holland that has this in the collection : a 56 square meter floor made of peanut butter. Yes. For real. And you could buy a couple of Pejac OG's for it tooโฆ.. www.boijmans.nl/en/exhibitions/the-peanut-butter-platform-by-wim-t-schippers
what art classification does this art fall under?
Is it a new fad type art, done the walls lets do the floors
I like it, lets get a print or a rug of it
brilliant! man, I love most of your long-ish comments, they have some substance to it, even if the topic iss**tiness. keep up the good work. Talking about substance : we have a very renowned museum in Holland that has this in the collection : a 56 square meter floor made of peanut butter. Yes. For real. And you could buy a couple of Pejac OG's for it tooโฆ.. www.boijmans.nl/en/exhibitions/the-peanut-butter-platform-by-wim-t-schipperswhat art classification does this art fall under? Is it a new fad type art, done the walls lets do the floors I like it, lets get a print or a rug of it
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Deleted on Jun 19, 2018 16:57:07 GMT 1, perfect if you have the munchies
perfect if you have the munchies
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Dive Jedi
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Dive Jedi on Jun 19, 2018 17:01:39 GMT 1, what art classification does this art fall under? Is it a new fad type art, done the walls lets do the floors I like it, lets get a print or a rug of it The concept is from 1962. It's described as a floor sculpture.
what art classification does this art fall under? Is it a new fad type art, done the walls lets do the floors I like it, lets get a print or a rug of it The concept is from 1962. It's described as a floor sculpture.
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