Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 21, 2018 19:51:11 GMT 1, I think it is over saturated as opposed to soft. Over the last year I have definitely been turned off by some artists who put out a lot of the same work. I think a lot of people are many float around for sale. As for timed releases, as mentioned above, its a poster then. Depends on the artist as well, some don't mined timed releases or putting out "posters" such as James Jean while others see their are as more a craft and special to have smaller more personalized runs or screen prints over giclee etc.... Iโd view a poster as in general a lower quality production and typically on poorer quality paper. A print should have in some respect an element of artist production hence an artist being prepared to sign it. Giclees do blur the line somewhat though. But I donโt share your view that an open release equals a poster.
I agree....Geddes recent releases are hardly posters, yes giclee but still look good framed. However I still think it's about intent. Some artists today will be nothing more than Athena posters, disposable and without longevity. Middle class bullshit. Graffiti is a fuck you to society and it's values.
I think it is over saturated as opposed to soft. Over the last year I have definitely been turned off by some artists who put out a lot of the same work. I think a lot of people are many float around for sale. As for timed releases, as mentioned above, its a poster then. Depends on the artist as well, some don't mined timed releases or putting out "posters" such as James Jean while others see their are as more a craft and special to have smaller more personalized runs or screen prints over giclee etc.... Iโd view a poster as in general a lower quality production and typically on poorer quality paper. A print should have in some respect an element of artist production hence an artist being prepared to sign it. Giclees do blur the line somewhat though. But I donโt share your view that an open release equals a poster. I agree....Geddes recent releases are hardly posters, yes giclee but still look good framed. However I still think it's about intent. Some artists today will be nothing more than Athena posters, disposable and without longevity. Middle class bullshit. Graffiti is a fuck you to society and it's values.
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Leo Boyd
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Leo Boyd on Jun 21, 2018 20:22:04 GMT 1, I think it is over saturated as opposed to soft. Over the last year I have definitely been turned off by some artists who put out a lot of the same work. I think a lot of people are many float around for sale. As for timed releases, as mentioned above, its a poster then. Depends on the artist as well, some don't mined timed releases or putting out "posters" such as James Jean while others see their are as more a craft and special to have smaller more personalized runs or screen prints over giclee etc.... The whole idea of the prints is so people who can't afford an original can buy a print, but now even that is gone for a lot of people. As for calling them "posters", call them what you want, its the only way for some people. In my eyes a splash of paint on a print does not mean its hand finished, that's a load of bull. For me a hand finished print should mean the artist should paint/draw something on the print. All these Gold edition, Blue edition, this and that edition, its just to charge more. Soon we will have a "Signed by my Agent edition" Signed by my semi-autonomous art robot
I think it is over saturated as opposed to soft. Over the last year I have definitely been turned off by some artists who put out a lot of the same work. I think a lot of people are many float around for sale. As for timed releases, as mentioned above, its a poster then. Depends on the artist as well, some don't mined timed releases or putting out "posters" such as James Jean while others see their are as more a craft and special to have smaller more personalized runs or screen prints over giclee etc.... The whole idea of the prints is so people who can't afford an original can buy a print, but now even that is gone for a lot of people. As for calling them "posters", call them what you want, its the only way for some people. In my eyes a splash of paint on a print does not mean its hand finished, that's a load of bull. For me a hand finished print should mean the artist should paint/draw something on the print. All these Gold edition, Blue edition, this and that edition, its just to charge more. Soon we will have a "Signed by my Agent edition" Signed by my semi-autonomous art robot
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NYart
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by NYart on Jun 21, 2018 21:01:50 GMT 1, While Iโm not necessarily against timed/ open editions I donโt exactly see them as being for the โreal collectorsโ. The real collectors are those who will pay secondary, they want the print because they enjoy the artist, itโs limited, and collectible. I think the open/timed editions are more for the โfansโ. Those who follow on IG because the art is cool but they donโt necessarily collect art like we all do. Unless it was an image I love Iโd never be able to score a limited edition of, or by an artist Iโd never be able to afford, I donโt see many other scenarios as a collector Iโd want a open/timed edition. Same goes for giclee/unsigned prints as well. If itโs my only option take it or leave it, Iโd take it but it takes a great deal away from the desirability of it for me.
While Iโm not necessarily against timed/ open editions I donโt exactly see them as being for the โreal collectorsโ. The real collectors are those who will pay secondary, they want the print because they enjoy the artist, itโs limited, and collectible. I think the open/timed editions are more for the โfansโ. Those who follow on IG because the art is cool but they donโt necessarily collect art like we all do. Unless it was an image I love Iโd never be able to score a limited edition of, or by an artist Iโd never be able to afford, I donโt see many other scenarios as a collector Iโd want a open/timed edition. Same goes for giclee/unsigned prints as well. If itโs my only option take it or leave it, Iโd take it but it takes a great deal away from the desirability of it for me.
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 21, 2018 21:06:58 GMT 1, While Iโm not necessarily against timed/ open editions I donโt exactly see them as being for the โreal collectorsโ. The real collectors are those who will pay secondary, they want the print because they enjoy the artist, itโs limited, and collectible. I think the open/timed editions are more for the โfansโ. Those who follow on IG because the art is cool but they donโt necessarily collect art like we all do. Unless it was an image I love Iโd never be able to score a limited edition of, or by an artist Iโd never be able to afford, I donโt see many other scenarios as a collector Iโd want a open/timed edition. Same goes for giclee/unsigned prints as well. If itโs my only option take it or leave it, Iโd take it but it takes a great deal away from the desire in it for me.
Oh dear...you want it because it's limited? And would pay more because of that? That's what makes a real collector , someone that would pay a flipper for the privilege. I'm not down with that. I buy because I like it not because other people do. Timed, limited I don't care....is it gonna make the wall!?
While Iโm not necessarily against timed/ open editions I donโt exactly see them as being for the โreal collectorsโ. The real collectors are those who will pay secondary, they want the print because they enjoy the artist, itโs limited, and collectible. I think the open/timed editions are more for the โfansโ. Those who follow on IG because the art is cool but they donโt necessarily collect art like we all do. Unless it was an image I love Iโd never be able to score a limited edition of, or by an artist Iโd never be able to afford, I donโt see many other scenarios as a collector Iโd want a open/timed edition. Same goes for giclee/unsigned prints as well. If itโs my only option take it or leave it, Iโd take it but it takes a great deal away from the desire in it for me. Oh dear...you want it because it's limited? And would pay more because of that? That's what makes a real collector , someone that would pay a flipper for the privilege. I'm not down with that. I buy because I like it not because other people do. Timed, limited I don't care....is it gonna make the wall!?
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Mirus Gallery
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Mirus Gallery on Jun 21, 2018 21:12:33 GMT 1, Yeah Im confused, I don't know why anyone would be against timed releases or open editions. Most of the collectors in here always talk about how they love the image or the art. This is the true definition of that. Its still an original signed print and would hang on the wall. Not sure why this wouldn't fit the definition for someone a real collector of a certain artist. This also would make original artwork more sought after as it would be limited compared to these limited hyped prints that really aren't comparable to originals.
If an artist could sell 1000 prints why not sell 1000. Flippers would not risk the position to secure those or an open or timed release thus allowing real collectors and fans to get the prints they want. As a artist if your base will buy 1000 prints and as a printer you can handle this large an edition why would more people not do this.
Yeah Im confused, I don't know why anyone would be against timed releases or open editions. Most of the collectors in here always talk about how they love the image or the art. This is the true definition of that. Its still an original signed print and would hang on the wall. Not sure why this wouldn't fit the definition for someone a real collector of a certain artist. This also would make original artwork more sought after as it would be limited compared to these limited hyped prints that really aren't comparable to originals.
If an artist could sell 1000 prints why not sell 1000. Flippers would not risk the position to secure those or an open or timed release thus allowing real collectors and fans to get the prints they want. As a artist if your base will buy 1000 prints and as a printer you can handle this large an edition why would more people not do this.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Deleted on Jun 21, 2018 21:16:08 GMT 1, While Iโm not necessarily against timed/ open editions I donโt exactly see them as being for the โreal collectorsโ. The real collectors are those who will pay secondary, they want the print because they enjoy the artist, itโs limited, and collectible. I think the open/timed editions are more for the โfansโ. Those who follow on IG because the art is cool but they donโt necessarily collect art like we all do. Unless it was an image I love Iโd never be able to score a limited edition of, or by an artist Iโd never be able to afford, I donโt see many other scenarios as a collector Iโd want a open/timed edition. Same goes for giclee/unsigned prints as well. If itโs my only option take it or leave it, Iโd take it but it takes a great deal away from the desirability of it for me. So if we all went back a few decades you wouldโve been the one turning down Picassoโs and Warholโs because they were huge editions?
While Iโm not necessarily against timed/ open editions I donโt exactly see them as being for the โreal collectorsโ. The real collectors are those who will pay secondary, they want the print because they enjoy the artist, itโs limited, and collectible. I think the open/timed editions are more for the โfansโ. Those who follow on IG because the art is cool but they donโt necessarily collect art like we all do. Unless it was an image I love Iโd never be able to score a limited edition of, or by an artist Iโd never be able to afford, I donโt see many other scenarios as a collector Iโd want a open/timed edition. Same goes for giclee/unsigned prints as well. If itโs my only option take it or leave it, Iโd take it but it takes a great deal away from the desirability of it for me. So if we all went back a few decades you wouldโve been the one turning down Picassoโs and Warholโs because they were huge editions?
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irl1
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by irl1 on Jun 21, 2018 22:25:31 GMT 1, Yeah Im confused, I don't know why anyone would be against timed releases or open editions. Most of the collectors in here always talk about how they love the image or the art. This is the true definition of that. Its still an original signed print and would hang on the wall. Not sure why this wouldn't fit the definition for someone a real collector of a certain artist. This also would make original artwork more sought after as it would be limited compared to these limited hyped prints that really aren't comparable to originals. If an artist could sell 1000 prints why not sell 1000. Flippers would not risk the position to secure those or an open or timed release thus allowing real collectors and fans to get the prints they want. As a artist if your base will buy 1000 prints and as a printer you can handle this large an edition why would more people not do this. You hit the nail on the head there.
Yeah Im confused, I don't know why anyone would be against timed releases or open editions. Most of the collectors in here always talk about how they love the image or the art. This is the true definition of that. Its still an original signed print and would hang on the wall. Not sure why this wouldn't fit the definition for someone a real collector of a certain artist. This also would make original artwork more sought after as it would be limited compared to these limited hyped prints that really aren't comparable to originals. If an artist could sell 1000 prints why not sell 1000. Flippers would not risk the position to secure those or an open or timed release thus allowing real collectors and fans to get the prints they want. As a artist if your base will buy 1000 prints and as a printer you can handle this large an edition why would more people not do this. You hit the nail on the head there.
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 21, 2018 22:25:38 GMT 1,
May be true but doesn't make it cool man. The fact that we like an art form born of graffiti should mean we buck a trend not follow like sheep. Conformity...no Thanks!
May be true but doesn't make it cool man. The fact that we like an art form born of graffiti should mean we buck a trend not follow like sheep. Conformity...no Thanks!
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irl1
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by irl1 on Jun 21, 2018 22:35:45 GMT 1, While Iโm not necessarily against timed/ open editions I donโt exactly see them as being for the โreal collectorsโ. The real collectors are those who will pay secondary, they want the print because they enjoy the artist, itโs limited, and collectible. I think the open/timed editions are more for the โfansโ. Those who follow on IG because the art is cool but they donโt necessarily collect art like we all do. Unless it was an image I love Iโd never be able to score a limited edition of, or by an artist Iโd never be able to afford, I donโt see many other scenarios as a collector Iโd want a open/timed edition. Same goes for giclee/unsigned prints as well. If itโs my only option take it or leave it, Iโd take it but it takes a great deal away from the desirability of it for me. Can you not enjoy the artist/image if its an open edition? (I'm not being smart here) Lets say artist "A" had a limited edition of 100, price 5,000 and he/she had the same image in an open edition for 100. (same print only without a number) would you pay the 5,000 or the 100?
While Iโm not necessarily against timed/ open editions I donโt exactly see them as being for the โreal collectorsโ. The real collectors are those who will pay secondary, they want the print because they enjoy the artist, itโs limited, and collectible. I think the open/timed editions are more for the โfansโ. Those who follow on IG because the art is cool but they donโt necessarily collect art like we all do. Unless it was an image I love Iโd never be able to score a limited edition of, or by an artist Iโd never be able to afford, I donโt see many other scenarios as a collector Iโd want a open/timed edition. Same goes for giclee/unsigned prints as well. If itโs my only option take it or leave it, Iโd take it but it takes a great deal away from the desirability of it for me. Can you not enjoy the artist/image if its an open edition? (I'm not being smart here) Lets say artist "A" had a limited edition of 100, price 5,000 and he/she had the same image in an open edition for 100. (same print only without a number) would you pay the 5,000 or the 100?
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hui
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by hui on Jun 21, 2018 22:44:29 GMT 1, Most of y'all are tools.
Most of y'all are tools.
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irl1
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by irl1 on Jun 21, 2018 22:57:09 GMT 1, Chrome limited editions i hope
Chrome limited editions i hope
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hui
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by hui on Jun 21, 2018 23:15:03 GMT 1, Chrome limited editions i hope
Nothing but the best apparently.
And for those unfamiliar with the term, this link provides a reference to urban dictionary: www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Tool
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Leo Boyd
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Leo Boyd on Jun 21, 2018 23:32:00 GMT 1, We are all Kanye West?
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NYart
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by NYart on Jun 22, 2018 0:23:09 GMT 1, While Iโm not necessarily against timed/ open editions I donโt exactly see them as being for the โreal collectorsโ. The real collectors are those who will pay secondary, they want the print because they enjoy the artist, itโs limited, and collectible. I think the open/timed editions are more for the โfansโ. Those who follow on IG because the art is cool but they donโt necessarily collect art like we all do. Unless it was an image I love Iโd never be able to score a limited edition of, or by an artist Iโd never be able to afford, I donโt see many other scenarios as a collector Iโd want a open/timed edition. Same goes for giclee/unsigned prints as well. If itโs my only option take it or leave it, Iโd take it but it takes a great deal away from the desire in it for me. Oh dear...you want it because it's limited? And would pay more because of that? That's what makes a real collector , someone that would pay a flipper for the privilege. I'm not down with that. I buy because I like it not because other people do. Timed, limited I don't care....is it gonna make the wall!?
I never said other people liking it has any impact. Just that if you like it enough and are a real collector, paying secondary shouldnโt be an issue. Pejac is a recent example, how many current owners of his prints bought them all retail? Banksy? Your a serious collector if your willing to put up that money, and one I would argue who would be less interested in an unlimited print.
As I mentioned there are exceptions, but who wouldnโt prefer to have something that few others do?
No one wanted Banksys Soup Can posters until they couldnโt have them anymore. Countless examples like that as well..
While Iโm not necessarily against timed/ open editions I donโt exactly see them as being for the โreal collectorsโ. The real collectors are those who will pay secondary, they want the print because they enjoy the artist, itโs limited, and collectible. I think the open/timed editions are more for the โfansโ. Those who follow on IG because the art is cool but they donโt necessarily collect art like we all do. Unless it was an image I love Iโd never be able to score a limited edition of, or by an artist Iโd never be able to afford, I donโt see many other scenarios as a collector Iโd want a open/timed edition. Same goes for giclee/unsigned prints as well. If itโs my only option take it or leave it, Iโd take it but it takes a great deal away from the desire in it for me. Oh dear...you want it because it's limited? And would pay more because of that? That's what makes a real collector , someone that would pay a flipper for the privilege. I'm not down with that. I buy because I like it not because other people do. Timed, limited I don't care....is it gonna make the wall!? I never said other people liking it has any impact. Just that if you like it enough and are a real collector, paying secondary shouldnโt be an issue. Pejac is a recent example, how many current owners of his prints bought them all retail? Banksy? Your a serious collector if your willing to put up that money, and one I would argue who would be less interested in an unlimited print. As I mentioned there are exceptions, but who wouldnโt prefer to have something that few others do? No one wanted Banksys Soup Can posters until they couldnโt have them anymore. Countless examples like that as well..
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caruso
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by caruso on Jun 22, 2018 7:21:44 GMT 1, The whole idea of the prints is so people who can't afford an original can buy a print, but now even that is gone for a lot of people. As for calling them "posters", call them what you want, its the only way for some people. In my eyes a splash of paint on a print does not mean its hand finished, that's a load of bull. For me a hand finished print should mean the artist should paint/draw something on the print. All these Gold edition, Blue edition, this and that edition, its just to charge more. Soon we will have a "Signed by my Agent edition"ย Signed by my semi-autonomous art robot
Why not, after all autopens have been around for decades and people go crazy over an elephant painting?
The whole idea of the prints is so people who can't afford an original can buy a print, but now even that is gone for a lot of people. As for calling them "posters", call them what you want, its the only way for some people. In my eyes a splash of paint on a print does not mean its hand finished, that's a load of bull. For me a hand finished print should mean the artist should paint/draw something on the print. All these Gold edition, Blue edition, this and that edition, its just to charge more. Soon we will have a "Signed by my Agent edition"ย Signed by my semi-autonomous art robot Why not, after all autopens have been around for decades and people go crazy over an elephant painting?
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caruso
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by caruso on Jun 22, 2018 7:23:24 GMT 1, Oh dear...you want it because it's limited? And would pay more because of that? That's what makes a real collector , someone that would pay a flipper for the privilege. I'm not down with that. I buy because I like it not because other people do. Timed, limited I don't care....is it gonna make the wall!? I never said other people liking it has any impact. Just that if you like it enough and are a real collector, paying secondary shouldnโt be an issue. Pejac is a recent example, how many current owners of his prints bought them all retail? Banksy? Your a serious collector if your willing to put up that money, and one I would argue who would be less interested in an unlimited print. As I mentioned there are exceptions, but who wouldnโt prefer to have something that few others do? No one wanted Banksys Soup Can posters until they couldnโt have them anymore. Countless examples like that as well..
Spot on. People always want what they can't have.
Oh dear...you want it because it's limited? And would pay more because of that? That's what makes a real collector , someone that would pay a flipper for the privilege. I'm not down with that. I buy because I like it not because other people do. Timed, limited I don't care....is it gonna make the wall!? I never said other people liking it has any impact. Just that if you like it enough and are a real collector, paying secondary shouldnโt be an issue. Pejac is a recent example, how many current owners of his prints bought them all retail? Banksy? Your a serious collector if your willing to put up that money, and one I would argue who would be less interested in an unlimited print. As I mentioned there are exceptions, but who wouldnโt prefer to have something that few others do? No one wanted Banksys Soup Can posters until they couldnโt have them anymore. Countless examples like that as well.. Spot on. People always want what they can't have.
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caruso
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by caruso on Jun 22, 2018 7:40:25 GMT 1, This is my favourite thread in a very long time. I see artists and galleries involved in the discussion, it makes for a very interesting read.
So many great artists on this forum, and whether famous or not (yet!), they are all a part of our daily lives and I want to thank them for sharing their work with us.
This forum world definitely not be the same without Carl Cashman, Leo Boyd, Fake, Tabby, Eric Pause, Dan Kitchener... My apologies for those I missed here. You are the better part of us.
This is my favourite thread in a very long time. I see artists and galleries involved in the discussion, it makes for a very interesting read.
So many great artists on this forum, and whether famous or not (yet!), they are all a part of our daily lives and I want to thank them for sharing their work with us.
This forum world definitely not be the same without Carl Cashman, Leo Boyd, Fake, Tabby, Eric Pause, Dan Kitchener... My apologies for those I missed here. You are the better part of us.
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Leo Boyd
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Leo Boyd on Jun 22, 2018 10:24:14 GMT 1, This is my favourite thread in a very long time. I see artists and galleries involved in the discussion, it makes for a very interesting read. So many great artists on this forum, and whether famous or not (yet!), they are all a part of our daily lives and I want to thank them for sharing their work with us. This forum world definitely not be the same without Carl Cashman, Leo Boyd, Fake, Tabby, Eric Pause, Dan Kitchener... My apologies for those I missed here. You are the better part of us. Cheers caruso I too am enjoying this thread and am learning a lot of stuff that I actually had no idea about I do have something to add other than one line jokes but I started typing it last night and it was basically gibberish so I will have another go at it later.
This is my favourite thread in a very long time. I see artists and galleries involved in the discussion, it makes for a very interesting read. So many great artists on this forum, and whether famous or not (yet!), they are all a part of our daily lives and I want to thank them for sharing their work with us. This forum world definitely not be the same without Carl Cashman, Leo Boyd, Fake, Tabby, Eric Pause, Dan Kitchener... My apologies for those I missed here. You are the better part of us. Cheers caruso I too am enjoying this thread and am learning a lot of stuff that I actually had no idea about I do have something to add other than one line jokes but I started typing it last night and it was basically gibberish so I will have another go at it later.
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 22, 2018 20:59:54 GMT 1, Yeah some good input...I feel like I'm not on my own! Integrity means more to me than anything else and it's good to know I'm not the only one. Some members are conspicuous by their absence though! Speaks volumes!
Yeah some good input...I feel like I'm not on my own! Integrity means more to me than anything else and it's good to know I'm not the only one. Some members are conspicuous by their absence though! Speaks volumes!
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Dive Jedi
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Dive Jedi on Jun 22, 2018 21:16:04 GMT 1, Yeah some good input...I feel like I'm not on my own! Integrity means more to me than anything else and it's good to know I'm not the only one. Some members are conspicuous by their absence though! Speaks volumes! You used the word pastiche.
Yeah some good input...I feel like I'm not on my own! Integrity means more to me than anything else and it's good to know I'm not the only one. Some members are conspicuous by their absence though! Speaks volumes! You used the word pastiche.
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Icesay
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Icesay on Jun 22, 2018 21:57:07 GMT 1, Yeah some good input...I feel like I'm not on my own! Integrity means more to me than anything else and it's good to know I'm not the only one. Some members are conspicuous by their absence though! Speaks volumes! Youย used the word pastiche.
Ha ha...I know...unforgivable really. Still it sparked a mass debate.
Yeah some good input...I feel like I'm not on my own! Integrity means more to me than anything else and it's good to know I'm not the only one. Some members are conspicuous by their absence though! Speaks volumes! Youย used the word pastiche. Ha ha...I know...unforgivable really. Still it sparked a mass debate.
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moron
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by moron on Jun 23, 2018 20:41:35 GMT 1, I cannot name one blue chip artist who voiced any dissent. I think that's the problem today. Virtue signalling sells and some artists and also investors or collectors in new artists are scared of artists that stick two fingers up to the art world, or go against the grain. Look what happened to Chuck Connelly. From that short video, it didn't really sound like he was rebelling, he just made a weird facial expression, and was ostracized. Quite the O-face apparently.
I think Connelly made the mistake of saying a film made about New York that featured him where he was played by Nick Nolte was crap and the director someone big in Hollywood took offence and kicked up a fuss and got the galleries to blackball Chuck.
I cannot name one blue chip artist who voiced any dissent. I think that's the problem today. Virtue signalling sells and some artists and also investors or collectors in new artists are scared of artists that stick two fingers up to the art world, or go against the grain. Look what happened to Chuck Connelly. From that short video, it didn't really sound like he was rebelling, he just made a weird facial expression, and was ostracized. Quite the O-face apparently. I think Connelly made the mistake of saying a film made about New York that featured him where he was played by Nick Nolte was crap and the director someone big in Hollywood took offence and kicked up a fuss and got the galleries to blackball Chuck.
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Has the print game gone soft!?, by Leo Boyd on Jun 24, 2018 14:48:08 GMT 1, Ok here goes nothing It's a bit weird for me following this thread because I am a print maker but I don't see print as a form of copying or replication (which I do do) but as a means of transferring an image or paint onto a substrate. I know that sounds a bit pretentious but it is true. I am a messy printer and I am crap at getting flat colours and lining stuff up but the joy is in the mistakes and the stupid things you can do with printing (like printing on walls or printing with ketchup). I have started doing big paste ups because I have found a printer in Belfast who will run me off big black and white prints 2metres long for ยฃ1.20. This is print making technology to be savored and enjoyed and abused When it comes to the new fangled printing and print market I don't really get it. But I am starting to understand it a bit more from reading this thread. I like the idea of open editions but I wouldn't want to do one myself. I don't have the tech or the will but I am into the idea of artists releasing high quality images that fans can take to their local printer and get an artwork for what ever they are willing to pay for the reproduction. This isn't going to make anyone other than the printer any money but making money off of straight reproductions is a weird thing to get into but that is a can of worms for another time. Mainly because I don't know enough about this market to have a rant about it. Right. Errr ok so art, like every other bloody comodifiable thing in this world, is capitalist and obeys market forces. This isn't great because market forces can be arseholes. But art is not supposed to play by the rules of normal market forces. Like printing and print making tech it is supposed to be used and played with and abused. There are loads of points in art history where are an artist just went fuck this, this isn't working, lets fuck its fuck in (as they say in northern Ireland). Graffiti and street art and urban art is supposed to be doing this. It is supposed to be pushing the boundaries and breaking things and being weird and in a way graff or street art is just another illustration of how art has challenged prevailing market forces and art institutions. I imagine (but don't actually know) that street artists were early adopters of the internet and saw it as a great way of disseminating images across the world for free. Much like the humble photocopier of yesteryear. That consumerism co-opted street art shouldn't be a shocker as that is pretty much what consumerism does. It just seems a shame that it isn't challenged or at least isn't challenged as much as it should be. I don't know why this is... maybe it is because every challenge gets co-opted every more quickly in the internet age? I dunno. Sorry for the ramble... I hope some of this makes sense. I didn't want to rant or slag anyone off as there is enough of that on the internet already. There are some notable recent(ish) challenges to prevailing market forces that come to mind. The KLF (enough said?) building the pyramid of the dead. Banksy doing that market stall in NYC and that newspaper that Radiohead and Donwood brought out for the King of Limbs which was given out for free on the same day in major cities across the world. If anyone can think of other ways that the art market has been shaken up or challenged I'd like to hear them.
Ok here goes nothing It's a bit weird for me following this thread because I am a print maker but I don't see print as a form of copying or replication (which I do do) but as a means of transferring an image or paint onto a substrate. I know that sounds a bit pretentious but it is true. I am a messy printer and I am crap at getting flat colours and lining stuff up but the joy is in the mistakes and the stupid things you can do with printing (like printing on walls or printing with ketchup). I have started doing big paste ups because I have found a printer in Belfast who will run me off big black and white prints 2metres long for ยฃ1.20. This is print making technology to be savored and enjoyed and abused When it comes to the new fangled printing and print market I don't really get it. But I am starting to understand it a bit more from reading this thread. I like the idea of open editions but I wouldn't want to do one myself. I don't have the tech or the will but I am into the idea of artists releasing high quality images that fans can take to their local printer and get an artwork for what ever they are willing to pay for the reproduction. This isn't going to make anyone other than the printer any money but making money off of straight reproductions is a weird thing to get into but that is a can of worms for another time. Mainly because I don't know enough about this market to have a rant about it. Right. Errr ok so art, like every other bloody comodifiable thing in this world, is capitalist and obeys market forces. This isn't great because market forces can be arseholes. But art is not supposed to play by the rules of normal market forces. Like printing and print making tech it is supposed to be used and played with and abused. There are loads of points in art history where are an artist just went fuck this, this isn't working, lets fuck its fuck in (as they say in northern Ireland). Graffiti and street art and urban art is supposed to be doing this. It is supposed to be pushing the boundaries and breaking things and being weird and in a way graff or street art is just another illustration of how art has challenged prevailing market forces and art institutions. I imagine (but don't actually know) that street artists were early adopters of the internet and saw it as a great way of disseminating images across the world for free. Much like the humble photocopier of yesteryear. That consumerism co-opted street art shouldn't be a shocker as that is pretty much what consumerism does. It just seems a shame that it isn't challenged or at least isn't challenged as much as it should be. I don't know why this is... maybe it is because every challenge gets co-opted every more quickly in the internet age? I dunno. Sorry for the ramble... I hope some of this makes sense. I didn't want to rant or slag anyone off as there is enough of that on the internet already. There are some notable recent(ish) challenges to prevailing market forces that come to mind. The KLF (enough said?) building the pyramid of the dead. Banksy doing that market stall in NYC and that newspaper that Radiohead and Donwood brought out for the King of Limbs which was given out for free on the same day in major cities across the world. If anyone can think of other ways that the art market has been shaken up or challenged I'd like to hear them.
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