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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by moron on Jul 5, 2018 22:08:31 GMT 1, I get the impression that when artists and galleries make a big public deal of saying they are vetting buyers etc etc etc it's a form of hyping up their own importance and desirability of the print.
Plus multi tiered pricing another load of BS and greed from artists and galleries.
I get the impression that when artists and galleries make a big public deal of saying they are vetting buyers etc etc etc it's a form of hyping up their own importance and desirability of the print.
Plus multi tiered pricing another load of BS and greed from artists and galleries.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by irl1 on Jul 5, 2018 22:10:28 GMT 1, They should have a 10 year clause for the C.O.A.
Signed prints 20,000 to change the name in year one, decreasing by 2,000 per year.
Unsigned prints 10,000 to change the name in year one, decreasing by 1,000 per year.
This would work as nobody would pay that to change the name, and then pay for the print on top. I am only talking about high resale value prints.
They should have a 10 year clause for the C.O.A.
Signed prints 20,000 to change the name in year one, decreasing by 2,000 per year.
Unsigned prints 10,000 to change the name in year one, decreasing by 1,000 per year.
This would work as nobody would pay that to change the name, and then pay for the print on top. I am only talking about high resale value prints.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Jul 5, 2018 22:17:01 GMT 1, There are nice prints, but for that money you could get yourself a similar but better Zhuang Hongyi original.
There are nice prints, but for that money you could get yourself a similar but better Zhuang Hongyi original.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by moron on Jul 5, 2018 22:17:29 GMT 1, They should have a 10 year clause for the C.O.A. Signed prints 20,000 to change the name in year one, decreasing by 2,000 per year. Unsigned prints 10,000 to change the name in year one, decreasing by 1,000 per year. This would work as nobody would pay that to change the name, and then pay for the print on top. I am only talking about high resale value prints.
Maybe Banksy could have just made one giant print and sold off 500 shares and the only person who could sell it would be the last person alive after lots of years and it could be made into an ongoing reality series, the banksy death game.
Or Banksy could create an ancient manuscript and bury it in Bristol so when it's dug up it reads that Bristol belongs to the lost tribe of Bristopia and their descendants own Bristopia which the UN will recognise
They should have a 10 year clause for the C.O.A. Signed prints 20,000 to change the name in year one, decreasing by 2,000 per year. Unsigned prints 10,000 to change the name in year one, decreasing by 1,000 per year. This would work as nobody would pay that to change the name, and then pay for the print on top. I am only talking about high resale value prints. but who would be the winner that way, only POW and banksy who gained an instant half a million quid from the sales. Maybe Banksy could have just made one giant print and sold off 500 shares and the only person who could sell it would be the last person alive after lots of years and it could be made into an ongoing reality series, the banksy death game. Or Banksy could create an ancient manuscript and bury it in Bristol so when it's dug up it reads that Bristol belongs to the lost tribe of Bristopia and their descendants own Bristopia which the UN will recognise |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by irl1 on Jul 5, 2018 22:29:27 GMT 1, It would mean you would have to keep the print for a long time. So no quick resale as it would cost too much to sell on.
It would mean you would have to keep the print for a long time. So no quick resale as it would cost too much to sell on.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by diarmid on Jul 5, 2018 22:45:59 GMT 1, Heni and pow don't charge people for name change
If your plans are not keep this print for 15 years plus and I'd void this print at all cost
Heni and pow don't charge people for name change
If your plans are not keep this print for 15 years plus and I'd void this print at all cost
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Poster Bob on Jul 5, 2018 23:27:26 GMT 1, I'm still laughing at the idea of anyone asking for a name change on a HENI giclee. Who does that nonsense? Why would you ever care?
I'm still laughing at the idea of anyone asking for a name change on a HENI giclee. Who does that nonsense? Why would you ever care?
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shy on Jul 5, 2018 23:45:58 GMT 1, I'm still laughing at the idea of anyone asking for a name change on a HENI giclee. Who does that nonsense? Why would you ever care?
I'm still laughing at the idea of anyone asking for a name change on a HENI giclee. Who does that nonsense? Why would you ever care? Posterbob is the best! |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by warwolf on Jul 5, 2018 23:48:23 GMT 1, I'm still laughing at the idea of anyone asking for a name change on a HENI giclee. Who does that nonsense? Why would you ever care? Posterbob is the best!
Where you been shy? Was starting to miss you
I'm still laughing at the idea of anyone asking for a name change on a HENI giclee. Who does that nonsense? Why would you ever care? Posterbob is the best! Where you been shy? Was starting to miss you |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by irl1 on Jul 5, 2018 23:54:19 GMT 1, Where you been shy? Was starting to miss you
Where you been shy? Was starting to miss you He only comes out after dark |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shinkaiser on Jul 6, 2018 10:01:33 GMT 1, I'm still surprised that galleries register and reference the sale of art to someone's name.
I bought an expensive piece of art once, and can find no reference of the sale online.
I'm still surprised that galleries register and reference the sale of art to someone's name.
I bought an expensive piece of art once, and can find no reference of the sale online.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by fm1975 on Jul 6, 2018 13:34:23 GMT 1, Really like these! Andromeda and Cannizaro in particular. Seems like a lot of people like those two. For me, the larger pink spots on Andromeda ruin it for me and makes it seem clownish.
I don't like them.
Think these are empty pieces.
Really like these! Andromeda and Cannizaro in particular. Seems like a lot of people like those two. For me, the larger pink spots on Andromeda ruin it for me and makes it seem clownish. I don't like them. Think these are empty pieces. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by cnrdvln on Jul 6, 2018 14:31:15 GMT 1, Seems like a lot of people like those two. For me, the larger pink spots on Andromeda ruin it for me and makes it seem clownish. I don't like them. Think these are empty pieces.
Seems like a lot of people like those two. For me, the larger pink spots on Andromeda ruin it for me and makes it seem clownish. I don't like them. Think these are empty pieces. Thank you for your input on this thread |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by nobokov on Jul 6, 2018 15:00:56 GMT 1, Seems like a lot of people like those two. For me, the larger pink spots on Andromeda ruin it for me and makes it seem clownish. I don't like them. Think these are empty pieces.
Seems like a lot of people like those two. For me, the larger pink spots on Andromeda ruin it for me and makes it seem clownish. I don't like them. Think these are empty pieces. That's interesting, it seems as though you like Kusama's work right? Do you like her spot pieces? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by fm1975 on Jul 6, 2018 15:21:21 GMT 1, I don't like them. Think these are empty pieces. That's interesting, it seems as though you like Kusama's work right? Do you like her spot pieces?
Love mostly of Kusama production, not everything, she is a wonderful artist, but these Hirst are like the meat of a bad hamburger: essentially nothing, a simple reclying mixture.
As Banksy says "The bad artist imitate, the great artists steal". These pieces are pure imitation.
I don't like them. Think these are empty pieces. That's interesting, it seems as though you like Kusama's work right? Do you like her spot pieces? Love mostly of Kusama production, not everything, she is a wonderful artist, but these Hirst are like the meat of a bad hamburger: essentially nothing, a simple reclying mixture. As Banksy says "The bad artist imitate, the great artists steal". These pieces are pure imitation. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by nobokov on Jul 6, 2018 15:27:56 GMT 1, That's interesting, it seems as though you like Kusama's work right? Do you like her spot pieces? Love mostly of Kusama production, not everything, she is a wonderful artist, but these Hirst are like the meat of a bad hamburger: essentially nothing, a simple reclying mixture. As Banksy says "The bad artist imitate, the great artists steal". These pieces are pure imitation.
That's interesting, it seems as though you like Kusama's work right? Do you like her spot pieces? Love mostly of Kusama production, not everything, she is a wonderful artist, but these Hirst are like the meat of a bad hamburger: essentially nothing, a simple reclying mixture. As Banksy says "The bad artist imitate, the great artists steal". These pieces are pure imitation. Which artists in particular are being imitated in these pieces? Could these works be considered a natural evolution from his structured spot pieces? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Express Post on Jul 6, 2018 15:29:28 GMT 1, You're spot on with the feedback.
Skill level - Lil Tay, mumble rap
Clout level - Like a boss
The latter is why these works are selling
That's interesting, it seems as though you like Kusama's work right? Do you like her spot pieces? Love mostly of Kusama production, not everything, she is a wonderful artist, but these Hirst are like the meat of a bad hamburger: essentially nothing, a simple reclying mixture. As Banksy says "The bad artist imitate, the great artists steal". These pieces are pure imitation.
You're spot on with the feedback. Skill level - Lil Tay, mumble rap Clout level - Like a boss The latter is why these works are selling That's interesting, it seems as though you like Kusama's work right? Do you like her spot pieces? Love mostly of Kusama production, not everything, she is a wonderful artist, but these Hirst are like the meat of a bad hamburger: essentially nothing, a simple reclying mixture. As Banksy says "The bad artist imitate, the great artists steal". These pieces are pure imitation. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Express Post on Jul 6, 2018 15:30:35 GMT 1, Seurat, Indigenous Australians
Love mostly of Kusama production, not everything, she is a wonderful artist, but these Hirst are like the meat of a bad hamburger: essentially nothing, a simple reclying mixture. As Banksy says "The bad artist imitate, the great artists steal". These pieces are pure imitation. Which artists in particular are being imitated in these pieces? Could these works be considered a natural evolution from his structured spot pieces?
Seurat, Indigenous Australians Love mostly of Kusama production, not everything, she is a wonderful artist, but these Hirst are like the meat of a bad hamburger: essentially nothing, a simple reclying mixture. As Banksy says "The bad artist imitate, the great artists steal". These pieces are pure imitation. Which artists in particular are being imitated in these pieces? Could these works be considered a natural evolution from his structured spot pieces? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by nobokov on Jul 6, 2018 15:32:30 GMT 1, Seurat, Indigenous Australians Which artists in particular are being imitated in these pieces? Could these works be considered a natural evolution from his structured spot pieces?
Seurat, Indigenous Australians Which artists in particular are being imitated in these pieces? Could these works be considered a natural evolution from his structured spot pieces? Did Seurat ever use his method for abstractions? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by fm1975 on Jul 6, 2018 15:34:55 GMT 1, Seurat, Indigenous Australians Which artists in particular are being imitated in these pieces? Could these works be considered a natural evolution from his structured spot pieces?
Absolutely, Thanks, specially Georges Seurat. Put a nice title, choose good colors and the world will think your are making painting. Wake up, this is not the evolution of nothing,, just the strategy of a art star.
Seurat, Indigenous Australians Which artists in particular are being imitated in these pieces? Could these works be considered a natural evolution from his structured spot pieces? Absolutely, Thanks, specially Georges Seurat. Put a nice title, choose good colors and the world will think your are making painting. Wake up, this is not the evolution of nothing,, just the strategy of a art star. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by nobokov on Jul 6, 2018 15:47:40 GMT 1, Seurat, Indigenous Australians Absolutely, Thanks, specially Georges Seurat. Put a nice title, choose good colors and the world will think your are making painting. Wake up, this is not the evolution of nothing,, just the strategy of a art star.
Seurat, Indigenous Australians Absolutely, Thanks, specially Georges Seurat. Put a nice title, choose good colors and the world will think your are making painting. Wake up, this is not the evolution of nothing,, just the strategy of a art star. I always thought that Seurat's work was purely representational. Does that mean that Kusama also stole from Seurat? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by alessandro on Jul 6, 2018 16:01:30 GMT 1, I've personally never understood why an artist shouldn't see their work as a product and themselves as a brand or business.
Their products are much like stocks, collectors invest in them and expect them to raise in value. There is the risk of them dropping or keeping a constant. The risk is increased by the inexperience/exposure of the artist, but so is the chance of them increasing.
These are all traits of a business.
Why can't an artist have a strategy or manage their brand, especially since it benefits everyone in the process?
Personally, I believe art doesn't always need to make a profit, but why does an artist need to be poor and why does a collector always need to lose money?
Also for the sense that this series of work is "copied", I just don't understand. The method is not unique and cannot be claimed by anyone. Similarities could be drawn to a number of other artists such as Pollock or even the whole pointillism movement.
If you can't "copy" then no one can ever draw cars, people, birds or anything else in that case.
I've personally never understood why an artist shouldn't see their work as a product and themselves as a brand or business.
Their products are much like stocks, collectors invest in them and expect them to raise in value. There is the risk of them dropping or keeping a constant. The risk is increased by the inexperience/exposure of the artist, but so is the chance of them increasing.
These are all traits of a business.
Why can't an artist have a strategy or manage their brand, especially since it benefits everyone in the process?
Personally, I believe art doesn't always need to make a profit, but why does an artist need to be poor and why does a collector always need to lose money?
Also for the sense that this series of work is "copied", I just don't understand. The method is not unique and cannot be claimed by anyone. Similarities could be drawn to a number of other artists such as Pollock or even the whole pointillism movement.
If you can't "copy" then no one can ever draw cars, people, birds or anything else in that case.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by fm1975 on Jul 6, 2018 16:02:46 GMT 1, Absolutely, Thanks, specially Georges Seurat. Put a nice title, choose good colors and the world will think your are making painting. Wake up, this is not the evolution of nothing,, just the strategy of a art star. I always thought that Seurat's work was purely representational. Does that mean that Kusama also stole from Seurat?
Who knows? Hirst imitate, maybe Kusama stole from Seurat in any of her multiples psychedelic trips. Too many questions replied for a summer afternoon!!!
Absolutely, Thanks, specially Georges Seurat. Put a nice title, choose good colors and the world will think your are making painting. Wake up, this is not the evolution of nothing,, just the strategy of a art star. I always thought that Seurat's work was purely representational. Does that mean that Kusama also stole from Seurat? [br Who knows? Hirst imitate, maybe Kusama stole from Seurat in any of her multiples psychedelic trips. Too many questions replied for a summer afternoon!!! |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by fm1975 on Jul 6, 2018 16:04:07 GMT 1, Just my opinion, the opinion of a small man in a huge crazy world.
Just my opinion, the opinion of a small man in a huge crazy world.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Express Post on Jul 6, 2018 16:25:44 GMT 1, Of course the intent was different.
But if we are talking skill level.
Seurat > Hirst
...errday
Seurat, Indigenous Australians Did Seurat ever use his method for abstractions?
Of course the intent was different. But if we are talking skill level. Seurat > Hirst ...errday Seurat, Indigenous Australians Did Seurat ever use his method for abstractions? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by nobokov on Jul 6, 2018 16:34:40 GMT 1, Of course the intent was different. But if we are talking skill level. Seurat > Hirst ...errday Did Seurat ever use his method for abstractions?
Of course the intent was different. But if we are talking skill level. Seurat > Hirst ...errday Did Seurat ever use his method for abstractions? But I don't think we were talking about skill level, right? Good art doesn't necessarily require much skill. Just as having great skillz doesn't make one a great ART-tiste |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Express Post on Jul 6, 2018 16:37:16 GMT 1, It's subjective. Everyone has their own tastes. Would be boring if we all liked and disliked the same things.
If you want to judge the art on how great it is, in fact every other piece under the sun being currently made, go back in history and compare how these new works will influence and change the landscape of picture making.
Of course the intent was different. But if we are talking skill level. Seurat > Hirst ...errday But I don't think we were talking about skill level, right? Good art doesn't necessarily require much skill. Just as having great skillz doesn't make one a great ART-tiste
It's subjective. Everyone has their own tastes. Would be boring if we all liked and disliked the same things. If you want to judge the art on how great it is, in fact every other piece under the sun being currently made, go back in history and compare how these new works will influence and change the landscape of picture making. Of course the intent was different. But if we are talking skill level. Seurat > Hirst ...errday But I don't think we were talking about skill level, right? Good art doesn't necessarily require much skill. Just as having great skillz doesn't make one a great ART-tiste |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by nobokov on Jul 6, 2018 16:59:31 GMT 1,
It's subjective. Everyone has their own tastes. Would be boring if we all liked and disliked the same things. If you want to judge the art on how great it is, in fact every other piece under the sun being currently made, go back in history and compare how these new works will influence and change the landscape of picture making. But I don't think we were talking about skill level, right? Good art doesn't necessarily require much skill. Just as having great skillz doesn't make one a great ART-tiste
By that criteria, wouldnt it be pretty difficult to justify buying any art or even know what art to buy? How can one know to forecast how new works will influence and change the landscape of pictures? Even by that criteria, you could argue that the hatred for Hirst HAS changed the landscape. Just take a look at Beejoir, Kunstrasen and the like, producing comments on his spots. Does that then make the spots great art?
It's subjective. Everyone has their own tastes. Would be boring if we all liked and disliked the same things. If you want to judge the art on how great it is, in fact every other piece under the sun being currently made, go back in history and compare how these new works will influence and change the landscape of picture making. But I don't think we were talking about skill level, right? Good art doesn't necessarily require much skill. Just as having great skillz doesn't make one a great ART-tiste By that criteria, wouldnt it be pretty difficult to justify buying any art or even know what art to buy? How can one know to forecast how new works will influence and change the landscape of pictures? Even by that criteria, you could argue that the hatred for Hirst HAS changed the landscape. Just take a look at Beejoir, Kunstrasen and the like, producing comments on his spots. Does that then make the spots great art? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Express Post on Jul 6, 2018 17:53:46 GMT 1, Not everyone adheres to that thought process which is why there are still art sales being generated, regardless of the art being good or bad. Gallerists have to eat, so they try their best to promote and make a sale.
You have buyers that have varying degrees of knowledge and experience.
Hirst has cemented himself in art history. He'll stick around for a long time. I dont think Beejoir or Kunstrasen are flattering examples of being influenced by Hirst. Lets be honest, conversations of these guys dont exist outside this forum...maybe EB too. And they are not regulars at Art Basel...unfortunately any artist worth their salt needs to be exhibited at Art Basel these days, or should easily slot into one of the big international art fairs.
Btw, thumbs up for having a civil discussion about art.
It's subjective. Everyone has their own tastes. Would be boring if we all liked and disliked the same things. If you want to judge the art on how great it is, in fact every other piece under the sun being currently made, go back in history and compare how these new works will influence and change the landscape of picture making. By that criteria, wouldnt it be pretty difficult to justify buying any art or even know what art to buy? How can one know to forecast how new works will influence and change the landscape of pictures? Even by that criteria, you could argue that the hatred for Hirst HAS changed the landscape. Just take a look at Beejoir, Kunstrasen and the like, producing comments on his spots. Does that then make the spots great art?
Not everyone adheres to that thought process which is why there are still art sales being generated, regardless of the art being good or bad. Gallerists have to eat, so they try their best to promote and make a sale. You have buyers that have varying degrees of knowledge and experience. Hirst has cemented himself in art history. He'll stick around for a long time. I dont think Beejoir or Kunstrasen are flattering examples of being influenced by Hirst. Lets be honest, conversations of these guys dont exist outside this forum...maybe EB too. And they are not regulars at Art Basel...unfortunately any artist worth their salt needs to be exhibited at Art Basel these days, or should easily slot into one of the big international art fairs. Btw, thumbs up for having a civil discussion about art. It's subjective. Everyone has their own tastes. Would be boring if we all liked and disliked the same things. If you want to judge the art on how great it is, in fact every other piece under the sun being currently made, go back in history and compare how these new works will influence and change the landscape of picture making. By that criteria, wouldnt it be pretty difficult to justify buying any art or even know what art to buy? How can one know to forecast how new works will influence and change the landscape of pictures? Even by that criteria, you could argue that the hatred for Hirst HAS changed the landscape. Just take a look at Beejoir, Kunstrasen and the like, producing comments on his spots. Does that then make the spots great art? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shy on Jul 8, 2018 3:42:23 GMT 1, Has anyone been offered any of these prints yet? Or are they still deciding who to sell them too?
Has anyone been offered any of these prints yet? Or are they still deciding who to sell them too?
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