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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by surf101 on Sept 7, 2018 11:29:34 GMT 1, Both scum, in my opinion. There's a special place in hell for flippers. Sorry but you're talking absolute tosh ...... For example if you were to buy a house for £750,000 and before moving in you were offered £1.5m are you honestly telling me you wouldn't sell ? The only difference here being the value and sum involved. We all flip one way or another. You need to understand basic economics and accept that in the art world most buyers have to resort to flippers to acquire highly desired works of art !! If you don't like the price move on. The problem you have is the mark up not the flip ......
Both scum, in my opinion. There's a special place in hell for flippers. Sorry but you're talking absolute tosh ...... For example if you were to buy a house for £750,000 and before moving in you were offered £1.5m are you honestly telling me you wouldn't sell ? The only difference here being the value and sum involved. We all flip one way or another. You need to understand basic economics and accept that in the art world most buyers have to resort to flippers to acquire highly desired works of art !! If you don't like the price move on. The problem you have is the mark up not the flip ...... Very well said. There is a lot of resentment here from people who didn't event bother to join the queue. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Poster Bob on Sept 7, 2018 11:30:09 GMT 1, Probably didn't have enough cash to pay for them and needed to flip one to have enough to pay in full via bank transfer.
What am I missing here about the ebay quick flip guy? Genuinely sells one.. then pulls the rest? a - Sees what the market will pay and puts the rest up another xx% ? b - Only needed to sell one to keep the others?
Probably didn't have enough cash to pay for them and needed to flip one to have enough to pay in full via bank transfer. What am I missing here about the ebay quick flip guy? Genuinely sells one.. then pulls the rest? a - Sees what the market will pay and puts the rest up another xx% ? b - Only needed to sell one to keep the others? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by charliec2701 on Sept 7, 2018 11:31:59 GMT 1, yeah, this Heni vetting doesn't really work does it. I am tempted to report this e-bay guy to Heni and get him blacklisted. Would Heni be able to obtain his real name from e-bay do you think? I hate flippers. They effectively stop a genuine fan from being able to buy one.
Once you accept flippers your life becomes far less aggrieved at the practice ?
yeah, this Heni vetting doesn't really work does it. I am tempted to report this e-bay guy to Heni and get him blacklisted. Would Heni be able to obtain his real name from e-bay do you think? I hate flippers. They effectively stop a genuine fan from being able to buy one. Now you're contemplating becoming a petty informer ?? Don't do it as there's definitely a special place in hell for those ...... Once you accept flippers your life becomes far less aggrieved at the practice ? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Poster Bob on Sept 7, 2018 11:35:35 GMT 1, Only if they agreed to buy it.
yeah, this Heni vetting doesn't really work does it. I am tempted to report this e-bay guy to Heni and get him blacklisted. Would Heni be able to obtain his real name from e-bay do you think? I hate flippers. They effectively stop a genuine fan from being able to buy one.
Only if they agreed to buy it. yeah, this Heni vetting doesn't really work does it. I am tempted to report this e-bay guy to Heni and get him blacklisted. Would Heni be able to obtain his real name from e-bay do you think? I hate flippers. They effectively stop a genuine fan from being able to buy one. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Poster Bob on Sept 7, 2018 11:40:53 GMT 1, No, no, no. You are 100% guaranteed to get all of your money back in the case you outlined.
Is it even going to be delivered by the time PayPal/ebay protection is still active? No, it wont. Never EVER buy a pre-order item from an e-bay seller! He can take your money; tell you he will post it end of October...and if he doesn't there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. You can't get your money back via e-bay resolution centre or PayPal. I know people who this has happened to.
No, no, no. You are 100% guaranteed to get all of your money back in the case you outlined. Is it even going to be delivered by the time PayPal/ebay protection is still active? No, it wont. Never EVER buy a pre-order item from an e-bay seller! He can take your money; tell you he will post it end of October...and if he doesn't there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. You can't get your money back via e-bay resolution centre or PayPal. I know people who this has happened to. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Sept 7, 2018 11:43:53 GMT 1, I am tempted to report this e-bay guy to Heni and get him blacklisted. Would Heni be able to obtain his real name from e-bay do you think? I hate flippers. They effectively stop a genuine fan from being able to buy one. Now you're contemplating becoming a petty informer ?? Don't do it as there's definitely a special place in hell for those ...... Once you accept flippers your life becomes far less aggrieved at the practice ?
... said the one burned on the forum for flipping? (Don’t get me wrong: I don’t take a stand on whether the accusations were deserved or not)
But in defence of flippers: for new artists selling cheapish works, flippers actually have a role - they provide liquidity to he market and publicity to the artist. Hence that’s a good thing. And do take some risk, hence a profit is deserved (eg like flipping an Heavy Sea of Pejac for few hundred pounds not too long ago)
But for the rest, it is all rent extraction without value added.
I am tempted to report this e-bay guy to Heni and get him blacklisted. Would Heni be able to obtain his real name from e-bay do you think? I hate flippers. They effectively stop a genuine fan from being able to buy one. Now you're contemplating becoming a petty informer ?? Don't do it as there's definitely a special place in hell for those ...... Once you accept flippers your life becomes far less aggrieved at the practice ? ... said the one burned on the forum for flipping? (Don’t get me wrong: I don’t take a stand on whether the accusations were deserved or not) But in defence of flippers: for new artists selling cheapish works, flippers actually have a role - they provide liquidity to he market and publicity to the artist. Hence that’s a good thing. And do take some risk, hence a profit is deserved (eg like flipping an Heavy Sea of Pejac for few hundred pounds not too long ago) But for the rest, it is all rent extraction without value added. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by irl1 on Sept 7, 2018 12:01:23 GMT 1, Is it even going to be delivered by the time PayPal/ebay protection is still active? No, it wont. Never EVER buy a pre-order item from an e-bay seller! He can take your money; tell you he will post it end of October...and if he doesn't there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. You can't get your money back via e-bay resolution centre or PayPal. I know people who this has happened to.
Is it even going to be delivered by the time PayPal/ebay protection is still active? No, it wont. Never EVER buy a pre-order item from an e-bay seller! He can take your money; tell you he will post it end of October...and if he doesn't there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. You can't get your money back via e-bay resolution centre or PayPal. I know people who this has happened to. They will get their money back, but there is a "time scale for refunds". Buying from ebay pre-order is a no no for sure. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by charliec2701 on Sept 7, 2018 12:22:55 GMT 1, Now you're contemplating becoming a petty informer ?? Don't do it as there's definitely a special place in hell for those ...... Once you accept flippers your life becomes far less aggrieved at the practice ? ... said the one burned on the forum for flipping? (Don’t get me wrong: I don’t take a stand on whether the accusations were deserved or not) But in defence of flippers: for new artists selling cheapish works, flippers actually have a role - they provide liquidity to he market and publicity to the artist. Hence that’s a good thing. And do take some risk, hence a profit is deserved (eg like flipping an Heavy Sea of Pejac for few hundred pounds not too long ago) But for the rest, it is all rent extraction without value added.
Out of the years of building my collection I have probably sold 5-6 pieces so does that make me a flipper ? Couldn't care less if it does as there's much bigger things to be concerned about.
With regards H5 I applied for all eight and was fortunate that Heni granted me 3 but I'm also prepared to buy a fourth and fifth one at a premium. That's just the way it is.
Now you're contemplating becoming a petty informer ?? Don't do it as there's definitely a special place in hell for those ...... Once you accept flippers your life becomes far less aggrieved at the practice ? ... said the one burned on the forum for flipping? (Don’t get me wrong: I don’t take a stand on whether the accusations were deserved or not) But in defence of flippers: for new artists selling cheapish works, flippers actually have a role - they provide liquidity to he market and publicity to the artist. Hence that’s a good thing. And do take some risk, hence a profit is deserved (eg like flipping an Heavy Sea of Pejac for few hundred pounds not too long ago) But for the rest, it is all rent extraction without value added. Oh I've flipped pieces when I've been fortunate to acquire more than one, namely Heavy Sea. Blame Max for allowing me to purchase 2 before they even came onto the market !!!Can't even remember what the raise was but look where it is now ? If I sold it now would I still be a flipper or an astute investor ?? Out of the years of building my collection I have probably sold 5-6 pieces so does that make me a flipper ? Couldn't care less if it does as there's much bigger things to be concerned about. With regards H5 I applied for all eight and was fortunate that Heni granted me 3 but I'm also prepared to buy a fourth and fifth one at a premium. That's just the way it is. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 12:45:23 GMT 1, No, it wont. Never EVER buy a pre-order item from an e-bay seller! He can take your money; tell you he will post it end of October...and if he doesn't there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. You can't get your money back via e-bay resolution centre or PayPal. I know people who this has happened to. You actually can get your money back very easily if a seller hasn't delivered on the goods. Ebay and Paypal strongly protect the buyer and have a lot of clauses in place in favour of the buyer. I don't know anyone who hasn't got their money back via the resolution centre. Saying "there is absolutely nothing you can do about it" is basically wrong.
No, it wont. Never EVER buy a pre-order item from an e-bay seller! He can take your money; tell you he will post it end of October...and if he doesn't there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. You can't get your money back via e-bay resolution centre or PayPal. I know people who this has happened to. You actually can get your money back very easily if a seller hasn't delivered on the goods. Ebay and Paypal strongly protect the buyer and have a lot of clauses in place in favour of the buyer. I don't know anyone who hasn't got their money back via the resolution centre. Saying "there is absolutely nothing you can do about it" is basically wrong. You are forgetting the time limit that ebay imposes on claims. If there is a long delay between you paying for something and you receiving it (which is the case with Heni releases, for example) then you will NOT get your money back. Check e-bay regulations on this sort of thing. You will find I am correct. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 12:52:38 GMT 1, I am tempted to report this e-bay guy to Heni and get him blacklisted. Would Heni be able to obtain his real name from e-bay do you think? I hate flippers. They effectively stop a genuine fan from being able to buy one. Now you're contemplating becoming a petty informer ?? Don't do it as there's definitely a special place in hell for those ...... Once you accept flippers your life becomes far less aggrieved at the practice ?
I am tempted to report this e-bay guy to Heni and get him blacklisted. Would Heni be able to obtain his real name from e-bay do you think? I hate flippers. They effectively stop a genuine fan from being able to buy one. Now you're contemplating becoming a petty informer ?? Don't do it as there's definitely a special place in hell for those ...... Once you accept flippers your life becomes far less aggrieved at the practice ? I don't see anything wrong with being a "petty informer". I belong to various closed Facebook groups where flippers are instantly banned; an action I fully support. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 12:54:19 GMT 1, Sorry but you're talking absolute tosh ...... For example if you were to buy a house for £750,000 and before moving in you were offered £1.5m are you honestly telling me you wouldn't sell ? The only difference here being the value and sum involved. We all flip one way or another. You need to understand basic economics and accept that in the art world most buyers have to resort to flippers to acquire highly desired works of art !! If you don't like the price move on. The problem you have is the mark up not the flip ...... Very well said. There is a lot of resentment here from people who didn't event bother to join the queue.
Sorry but you're talking absolute tosh ...... For example if you were to buy a house for £750,000 and before moving in you were offered £1.5m are you honestly telling me you wouldn't sell ? The only difference here being the value and sum involved. We all flip one way or another. You need to understand basic economics and accept that in the art world most buyers have to resort to flippers to acquire highly desired works of art !! If you don't like the price move on. The problem you have is the mark up not the flip ...... Very well said. There is a lot of resentment here from people who didn't event bother to join the queue. I joined the queue. I got what I wanted. I am still against flippers. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 12:56:53 GMT 1, No, no, no. You are 100% guaranteed to get all of your money back in the case you outlined. No, it wont. Never EVER buy a pre-order item from an e-bay seller! He can take your money; tell you he will post it end of October...and if he doesn't there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. You can't get your money back via e-bay resolution centre or PayPal. I know people who this has happened to.
No, no, no. You are 100% guaranteed to get all of your money back in the case you outlined. No, it wont. Never EVER buy a pre-order item from an e-bay seller! He can take your money; tell you he will post it end of October...and if he doesn't there is absolutely nothing you can do about it. You can't get your money back via e-bay resolution centre or PayPal. I know people who this has happened to. As I have said before...there is a time limit for claiming a refund and opening a case in the resolution centre. Read the e-bay rules for yourself. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by charliec2701 on Sept 7, 2018 13:00:01 GMT 1, Now you're contemplating becoming a petty informer ?? Don't do it as there's definitely a special place in hell for those ...... Once you accept flippers your life becomes far less aggrieved at the practice ? I don't see anything wrong with being a "petty informer". I belong to various closed Facebook groups where flippers are instantly banned; an action I fully support.
Oh dear ......banning a practice that you oppose ?? The Third Reich strikes again !!
Edit: Please don't ever admit to belonging to various closed facebook groups should you want to enjoy coitus with another woman/man ever again 
Now you're contemplating becoming a petty informer ?? Don't do it as there's definitely a special place in hell for those ...... Once you accept flippers your life becomes far less aggrieved at the practice ? I don't see anything wrong with being a "petty informer". I belong to various closed Facebook groups where flippers are instantly banned; an action I fully support. Oh dear ......banning a practice that you oppose ?? The Third Reich strikes again !! Edit: Please don't ever admit to belonging to various closed facebook groups should you want to enjoy coitus with another woman/man ever again |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 13:03:19 GMT 1, I don't see anything wrong with being a "petty informer". I belong to various closed Facebook groups where flippers are instantly banned; an action I fully support. Oh dear ......banning a practice that you oppose ?? The Third Reich strikes again !!
Does that mean you consider all societies and governments to be akin to the Third Reich?
I don't see anything wrong with being a "petty informer". I belong to various closed Facebook groups where flippers are instantly banned; an action I fully support. Oh dear ......banning a practice that you oppose ?? The Third Reich strikes again !! I think you will find ALL societies, clubs, associations, governments etc. etc. "ban practices they oppose". Does that mean you consider all societies and governments to be akin to the Third Reich? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by charliec2701 on Sept 7, 2018 13:08:16 GMT 1, Oh dear ......banning a practice that you oppose ?? The Third Reich strikes again !! I think you will find ALL societies, clubs, associations, governments etc. etc. "ban practices they oppose". Does that mean you consider all societies and governments to be akin to the Third Reich?
What in your group policy constitutes a flipper ? Does someone making a £5 profit become a flipper ? What's the group albeit a closed group criteria for one to be labelled a flipper ?
Oh dear ......banning a practice that you oppose ?? The Third Reich strikes again !! I think you will find ALL societies, clubs, associations, governments etc. etc. "ban practices they oppose". Does that mean you consider all societies and governments to be akin to the Third Reich? Only without rationale I do ? What in your group policy constitutes a flipper ? Does someone making a £5 profit become a flipper ? What's the group albeit a closed group criteria for one to be labelled a flipper ? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shinkaiser on Sept 7, 2018 13:08:51 GMT 1, @markiemark fair point about the Ebay rules and regulations, but why the "holier than thou" attitude to flippers? I agree they can be an annoyance when there's a low print run, but when there's enough to go round such as this release, they're pretty pointless.
Flippers are just players in a game that you yourself are playing. They exist because they can, they're not forcing you to buy from them. As others have stated, you have most likely flipped at one point. What makes you better than them?
@markiemark fair point about the Ebay rules and regulations, but why the "holier than thou" attitude to flippers? I agree they can be an annoyance when there's a low print run, but when there's enough to go round such as this release, they're pretty pointless.
Flippers are just players in a game that you yourself are playing. They exist because they can, they're not forcing you to buy from them. As others have stated, you have most likely flipped at one point. What makes you better than them?
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by ignition0 on Sept 7, 2018 13:21:09 GMT 1, No-one on this thread has mentioned the Own Art scheme. On the wall in the Tate Edit shop they labelled near the Hirst prints 'You can buy this on Own Art - 10 interest free installments of £300' referring specifically to the Hirst prints. I have been allocated a Cafe Royal and called the Tate Edit shop re paying via Own Art and there was lots of stammering before being asked to call back and speak to the Manager which I will be doing later. Has anyone else tried paying this way? Its very misleading if they advertise one thing and now say another.
No-one on this thread has mentioned the Own Art scheme. On the wall in the Tate Edit shop they labelled near the Hirst prints 'You can buy this on Own Art - 10 interest free installments of £300' referring specifically to the Hirst prints. I have been allocated a Cafe Royal and called the Tate Edit shop re paying via Own Art and there was lots of stammering before being asked to call back and speak to the Manager which I will be doing later. Has anyone else tried paying this way? Its very misleading if they advertise one thing and now say another.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by alessandro on Sept 7, 2018 13:28:16 GMT 1, No-one on this thread has mentioned the Own Art scheme. On the wall in the Tate Edit shop they labelled near the Hirst prints 'You can buy this on Own Art - 10 interest free installments of £300' referring specifically to the Hirst prints. I have been allocated a Cafe Royal and called the Tate Edit shop re paying via Own Art and there was lots of stammering before being asked to call back and speak to the Manager which I will be doing later. Has anyone else tried paying this way? Its very misleading if they advertise one thing and now say another.
No-one on this thread has mentioned the Own Art scheme. On the wall in the Tate Edit shop they labelled near the Hirst prints 'You can buy this on Own Art - 10 interest free installments of £300' referring specifically to the Hirst prints. I have been allocated a Cafe Royal and called the Tate Edit shop re paying via Own Art and there was lots of stammering before being asked to call back and speak to the Manager which I will be doing later. Has anyone else tried paying this way? Its very misleading if they advertise one thing and now say another. It's an interesting one, I attempted to get an answer from the Tate before the show. However, they kept skipping the question in emails. I suspect not since they specifically said that they are only accepting bank transfer. You probably could go after the false advertising claim, but it seems like a bit too much work for myself. Good luck with trying to get it, let us know of the result |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 13:32:15 GMT 1, @markiemark fair point about the Ebay rules and regulations, but why the "holier than thou" attitude to flippers? I agree they can be an annoyance when there's a low print run, but when there's enough to go round such as this release, they're pretty pointless. Flippers are just players in a game that you yourself are playing. They exist because they can, they're not forcing you to buy from them. As others have stated, you have most likely flipped at one point. What makes you better than them?
@markiemark fair point about the Ebay rules and regulations, but why the "holier than thou" attitude to flippers? I agree they can be an annoyance when there's a low print run, but when there's enough to go round such as this release, they're pretty pointless. Flippers are just players in a game that you yourself are playing. They exist because they can, they're not forcing you to buy from them. As others have stated, you have most likely flipped at one point. What makes you better than them? There's a difference between buying something you want, and then selling it a few years later when you no longer like it and need the cash; and buying something to immediately flip. Every time a flipper buys a Hirst print that means there is another genuine Hirst fan who has been denied the ability to buy the print that they genuinely wanted and would have loved to have hung on their wall. Why should the real fans have to pay twice the retail price by buying off a flipper just because the flipper wanted to make a quick buck off the misery of others? I'm surprised more people don't protest about this sort of behaviour. I know artist disapprove of flippers as much as I do. In fact, sometimes I have been asked to sign a statement from some artists confirming I will NOT immediately sell the art work on e-bay etc. Unfortunately, I doubt such things have any legal status at all. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Sept 7, 2018 13:37:27 GMT 1, No-one on this thread has mentioned the Own Art scheme. On the wall in the Tate Edit shop they labelled near the Hirst prints 'You can buy this on Own Art - 10 interest free installments of £300' referring specifically to the Hirst prints. I have been allocated a Cafe Royal and called the Tate Edit shop re paying via Own Art and there was lots of stammering before being asked to call back and speak to the Manager which I will be doing later. Has anyone else tried paying this way? Its very misleading if they advertise one thing and now say another.
Really hope it works for you and ideally others. I like the idea that not only fat cats and speculators can get these 😉
No-one on this thread has mentioned the Own Art scheme. On the wall in the Tate Edit shop they labelled near the Hirst prints 'You can buy this on Own Art - 10 interest free installments of £300' referring specifically to the Hirst prints. I have been allocated a Cafe Royal and called the Tate Edit shop re paying via Own Art and there was lots of stammering before being asked to call back and speak to the Manager which I will be doing later. Has anyone else tried paying this way? Its very misleading if they advertise one thing and now say another. Really hope it works for you and ideally others. I like the idea that not only fat cats and speculators can get these 😉 |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by ignition0 on Sept 7, 2018 13:40:17 GMT 1, Just called Own Art themselves and they are looking into it. Will update when I know more!
Just called Own Art themselves and they are looking into it. Will update when I know more!
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Poster Bob on Sept 7, 2018 13:43:45 GMT 1, 180 days. Anyone who has lost money because they didn't file a claim in 180 days is a fool.
No, no, no. You are 100% guaranteed to get all of your money back in the case you outlined. As I have said before...there is a time limit for claiming a refund and opening a case in the resolution centre. Read the e-bay rules for yourself.
180 days. Anyone who has lost money because they didn't file a claim in 180 days is a fool. No, no, no. You are 100% guaranteed to get all of your money back in the case you outlined. As I have said before...there is a time limit for claiming a refund and opening a case in the resolution centre. Read the e-bay rules for yourself. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shinkaiser on Sept 7, 2018 13:49:21 GMT 1, 180 days. Anyone who has lost money because they didn't file a claim in 180 days is a fool. As I have said before...there is a time limit for claiming a refund and opening a case in the resolution centre. Read the e-bay rules for yourself. 
180 days. Anyone who has lost money because they didn't file a claim in 180 days is a fool. As I have said before...there is a time limit for claiming a refund and opening a case in the resolution centre. Read the e-bay rules for yourself. I actually wanted to post the same thing - word for word! |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by cnrdvln on Sept 7, 2018 14:02:03 GMT 1, No-one on this thread has mentioned the Own Art scheme. On the wall in the Tate Edit shop they labelled near the Hirst prints 'You can buy this on Own Art - 10 interest free installments of £300' referring specifically to the Hirst prints. I have been allocated a Cafe Royal and called the Tate Edit shop re paying via Own Art and there was lots of stammering before being asked to call back and speak to the Manager which I will be doing later. Has anyone else tried paying this way? Its very misleading if they advertise one thing and now say another. It's an interesting one, I attempted to get an answer from the Tate before the show. However, they kept skipping the question in emails. I suspect not since they specifically said that they are only accepting bank transfer. You probably could go after the false advertising claim, but it seems like a bit too much work for myself. Good luck with trying to get it, let us know of the result
I googled that scheme on the night to confirm what I expected... UK residents only  Would have taken it up in a heart beat, great scheme though and have seen other UK galleries that sign up to similar - takes the initial pinch off for anyone stuck.
No-one on this thread has mentioned the Own Art scheme. On the wall in the Tate Edit shop they labelled near the Hirst prints 'You can buy this on Own Art - 10 interest free installments of £300' referring specifically to the Hirst prints. I have been allocated a Cafe Royal and called the Tate Edit shop re paying via Own Art and there was lots of stammering before being asked to call back and speak to the Manager which I will be doing later. Has anyone else tried paying this way? Its very misleading if they advertise one thing and now say another. It's an interesting one, I attempted to get an answer from the Tate before the show. However, they kept skipping the question in emails. I suspect not since they specifically said that they are only accepting bank transfer. You probably could go after the false advertising claim, but it seems like a bit too much work for myself. Good luck with trying to get it, let us know of the result I googled that scheme on the night to confirm what I expected... UK residents only Would have taken it up in a heart beat, great scheme though and have seen other UK galleries that sign up to similar - takes the initial pinch off for anyone stuck. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 15:17:27 GMT 1, Just called Own Art themselves and they are looking into it. Will update when I know more!
Just called Own Art themselves and they are looking into it. Will update when I know more! I suspect this has something to do with the 10-day limit on payment that Tate have imposed. The paperwork involved in applying under the Own Art scheme probably takes longer than that to set up. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 15:22:00 GMT 1, 180 days. Anyone who has lost money because they didn't file a claim in 180 days is a fool. As I have said before...there is a time limit for claiming a refund and opening a case in the resolution centre. Read the e-bay rules for yourself.
180 days. Anyone who has lost money because they didn't file a claim in 180 days is a fool. As I have said before...there is a time limit for claiming a refund and opening a case in the resolution centre. Read the e-bay rules for yourself. You are missing the important point, i.e. that pre-orders can get delayed and take ages to actually fulfil. If you buy a pre-order item 180 days before the seller even gets it himself then you have no way of getting your money back if the seller suddenly disappears off the face of the earth. I know someone who lost almost $1,000 in exactly that situation. The buyer couldn't make a claim before the 180 days are up because the item had not been sent to the seller within that time frame. |
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Dive Jedi
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Dive Jedi on Sept 7, 2018 15:27:40 GMT 1, 180 days. Anyone who has lost money because they didn't file a claim in 180 days is a fool. You are missing the important point, i.e. that pre-orders can get delayed and take ages to actually fulfil. If you buy a pre-order item 180 days before the seller even gets it himself then you have no way of getting your money back if the seller suddenly disappears off the face of the earth. I know someone who lost almost $1,000 in exactly that situation.
They are usually in possesion of their own product.
What you are referring to is a "pre-flipper order", where flippers resell items before they have them in hand themselves. Yeah, you can get screwed. Obviously.
180 days. Anyone who has lost money because they didn't file a claim in 180 days is a fool. You are missing the important point, i.e. that pre-orders can get delayed and take ages to actually fulfil. If you buy a pre-order item 180 days before the seller even gets it himself then you have no way of getting your money back if the seller suddenly disappears off the face of the earth. I know someone who lost almost $1,000 in exactly that situation. A pre-order is an order before the release from the artist / gallery itself. They are usually in possesion of their own product. What you are referring to is a "pre-flipper order", where flippers resell items before they have them in hand themselves. Yeah, you can get screwed. Obviously. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by alessandro on Sept 7, 2018 15:29:18 GMT 1, 180 days. Anyone who has lost money because they didn't file a claim in 180 days is a fool. You are missing the important point, i.e. that pre-orders can get delayed and take ages to actually fulfil. If you buy a pre-order item 180 days before the seller even gets it himself then you have no way of getting your money back if the seller suddenly disappears off the face of the earth. I know someone who lost almost $1,000 in exactly that situation.
Here is the EBay page on the topic -
www.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-policies/presale-listings-policy?id=4252
180 days. Anyone who has lost money because they didn't file a claim in 180 days is a fool. You are missing the important point, i.e. that pre-orders can get delayed and take ages to actually fulfil. If you buy a pre-order item 180 days before the seller even gets it himself then you have no way of getting your money back if the seller suddenly disappears off the face of the earth. I know someone who lost almost $1,000 in exactly that situation. EBay doesn't actually support preorders, it has a dispatch time from purchase which is maxed at 30 working days. If the seller sets the dispatch time to be over a certain period of time then a warning is displayed on the product page warning the buyer of an extended period of time before dispatch. If the seller exceeds that period then the buyer can open a case with EBay which is heavily weighted towards the purchaser. They will refund the buyer even if they cannot retrieve the money from the seller since PayPal will guarantee any sale using Paypal. Here is the EBay page on the topic - www.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-policies/presale-listings-policy?id=4252 |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Poster Bob on Sept 7, 2018 15:31:47 GMT 1, You are missing the important point: anyone who has lost out because they didn't file a complaint within 180 days has gone full fu*king retard. An intelligent buyer in such a situation would tell the seller that they need to get a refund and will then resend the funds to allow for a new 180 day window. So, anyone who lost money in such a situation is a Timmy.
180 days. Anyone who has lost money because they didn't file a claim in 180 days is a fool. You are missing the important point, i.e. that pre-orders can get delayed and take ages to actually fulfil. If you buy a pre-order item 180 days before the seller even gets it himself then you have no way of getting your money back if the seller suddenly disappears off the face of the earth. I know someone who lost almost $1,000 in exactly that situation. The buyer couldn't make a claim before the 180 days are up because the item had not been sent to the seller within that time frame.
You are missing the important point: anyone who has lost out because they didn't file a complaint within 180 days has gone full fu*king retard. An intelligent buyer in such a situation would tell the seller that they need to get a refund and will then resend the funds to allow for a new 180 day window. So, anyone who lost money in such a situation is a Timmy. 180 days. Anyone who has lost money because they didn't file a claim in 180 days is a fool. You are missing the important point, i.e. that pre-orders can get delayed and take ages to actually fulfil. If you buy a pre-order item 180 days before the seller even gets it himself then you have no way of getting your money back if the seller suddenly disappears off the face of the earth. I know someone who lost almost $1,000 in exactly that situation. The buyer couldn't make a claim before the 180 days are up because the item had not been sent to the seller within that time frame. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by london on Sept 7, 2018 15:51:36 GMT 1, got Beverly Hills and Savoy.
got Beverly Hills and Savoy.
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Would have taken it up in a heart beat, great scheme though and have seen other UK galleries that sign up to similar - takes the initial pinch off for anyone stuck. 
