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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 15:55:40 GMT 1, You are missing the important point, i.e. that pre-orders can get delayed and take ages to actually fulfil. If you buy a pre-order item 180 days before the seller even gets it himself then you have no way of getting your money back if the seller suddenly disappears off the face of the earth. I know someone who lost almost $1,000 in exactly that situation. EBay doesn't actually support preorders, it has a dispatch time from purchase which is maxed at 30 working days. If the seller sets the dispatch time to be over a certain period of time then a warning is displayed on the product page warning the buyer of an extended period of time before dispatch. If the seller exceeds that period then the buyer can open a case with EBay which is heavily weighted towards the purchaser. They will refund the buyer even if they cannot retrieve the money from the seller since PayPal will guarantee any sale using Paypal. Here is the EBay page on the topic - www.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-policies/presale-listings-policy?id=4252
You are missing the important point, i.e. that pre-orders can get delayed and take ages to actually fulfil. If you buy a pre-order item 180 days before the seller even gets it himself then you have no way of getting your money back if the seller suddenly disappears off the face of the earth. I know someone who lost almost $1,000 in exactly that situation. EBay doesn't actually support preorders, it has a dispatch time from purchase which is maxed at 30 working days. If the seller sets the dispatch time to be over a certain period of time then a warning is displayed on the product page warning the buyer of an extended period of time before dispatch. If the seller exceeds that period then the buyer can open a case with EBay which is heavily weighted towards the purchaser. They will refund the buyer even if they cannot retrieve the money from the seller since PayPal will guarantee any sale using Paypal. Here is the EBay page on the topic - www.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-policies/presale-listings-policy?id=4252That's good to know but anyone buying a Tate Hirst print off e-bay is going to have to wait much longer than 30 days for it. Both sellers and buyers know that. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by alessandro on Sept 7, 2018 15:59:38 GMT 1, EBay doesn't actually support preorders, it has a dispatch time from purchase which is maxed at 30 working days. If the seller sets the dispatch time to be over a certain period of time then a warning is displayed on the product page warning the buyer of an extended period of time before dispatch. If the seller exceeds that period then the buyer can open a case with EBay which is heavily weighted towards the purchaser. They will refund the buyer even if they cannot retrieve the money from the seller since PayPal will guarantee any sale using Paypal. Here is the EBay page on the topic - www.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-policies/presale-listings-policy?id=4252That's good to know but anyone buying a Tate Hirst print off e-bay is going to have to wait much longer than 30 days for it. Both sellers and buyers know that.
True, but that makes all listings against EBay’s policies and should be removed. In this case buyers are actually more protected and the sellers are the vulnerable ones.
EBay doesn't actually support preorders, it has a dispatch time from purchase which is maxed at 30 working days. If the seller sets the dispatch time to be over a certain period of time then a warning is displayed on the product page warning the buyer of an extended period of time before dispatch. If the seller exceeds that period then the buyer can open a case with EBay which is heavily weighted towards the purchaser. They will refund the buyer even if they cannot retrieve the money from the seller since PayPal will guarantee any sale using Paypal. Here is the EBay page on the topic - www.ebay.com/help/policies/listing-policies/presale-listings-policy?id=4252That's good to know but anyone buying a Tate Hirst print off e-bay is going to have to wait much longer than 30 days for it. Both sellers and buyers know that. True, but that makes all listings against EBay’s policies and should be removed. In this case buyers are actually more protected and the sellers are the vulnerable ones. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 15:59:57 GMT 1, You are missing the important point: anyone who has lost out because they didn't file a complaint within 180 days has gone full fu*king retard. An intelligent buyer in such a situation would tell the seller that they need to get a refund and will then resend the funds to allow for a new 180 day window. So, anyone who lost money in such a situation is a Timmy. You are missing the important point, i.e. that pre-orders can get delayed and take ages to actually fulfil. If you buy a pre-order item 180 days before the seller even gets it himself then you have no way of getting your money back if the seller suddenly disappears off the face of the earth. I know someone who lost almost $1,000 in exactly that situation. The buyer couldn't make a claim before the 180 days are up because the item had not been sent to the seller within that time frame.
You are missing the important point: anyone who has lost out because they didn't file a complaint within 180 days has gone full fu*king retard. An intelligent buyer in such a situation would tell the seller that they need to get a refund and will then resend the funds to allow for a new 180 day window. So, anyone who lost money in such a situation is a Timmy. You are missing the important point, i.e. that pre-orders can get delayed and take ages to actually fulfil. If you buy a pre-order item 180 days before the seller even gets it himself then you have no way of getting your money back if the seller suddenly disappears off the face of the earth. I know someone who lost almost $1,000 in exactly that situation. The buyer couldn't make a claim before the 180 days are up because the item had not been sent to the seller within that time frame. ...or easier still, don't buy from flippers in the first place. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by blerd on Sept 7, 2018 16:09:15 GMT 1, got Beverly Hills and Savoy.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by charliec2701 on Sept 7, 2018 16:42:29 GMT 1, got Beverly Hills and Savoy. IMO the best combination in the set.
Or in the case of a semi triptych ive secured Gritti , Beverly and Camino Real which I think should look fab slightly spaced ?
got Beverly Hills and Savoy. IMO the best combination in the set. Or in the case of a semi triptych ive secured Gritti , Beverly and Camino Real which I think should look fab slightly spaced ? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by The Italian One on Sept 7, 2018 17:30:58 GMT 1, got Beverly Hills and Savoy.
i'm so happy to have those 2, imo the best 2 
got Beverly Hills and Savoy. me too... i think those 2 on the wall side by side will be stunning. i'm so happy to have those 2, imo the best 2 |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by ARN on Sept 7, 2018 17:37:10 GMT 1, Maaan I’m so jealous, still waiting to hear if I have anything at all!
Maaan I’m so jealous, still waiting to hear if I have anything at all!
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Poster Bob on Sept 7, 2018 18:13:00 GMT 1, 
Maaan I’m so jealous, still waiting to hear if I have anything at all!
Maaan I’m so jealous, still waiting to hear if I have anything at all! |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Sept 7, 2018 18:30:44 GMT 1, Tye triptych on my wall is going to be Raffles, Plaza... and a Spot Remover :-)
Tye triptych on my wall is going to be Raffles, Plaza... and a Spot Remover :-)
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 19:12:24 GMT 1, Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts?
Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts?
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shy on Sept 7, 2018 19:15:45 GMT 1, I am still waiting.... must be a ton of applicants!
I am still waiting.... must be a ton of applicants!
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Sept 7, 2018 19:37:24 GMT 1, Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts?
I did, and liked it a lot. My personal favourites in the flesh were, in order, Clariges, Raflles, Plaza and Camino real (while based on the pdf my favourites were the smaller dots ones of both background colours).
The diasec mounting works better with the white background than with the black one: in the former case it increases contrast, making the image punchier, while in the latter it reduces it a bit (since reflections lighten the background). Obviously the effect of reflections cannot be seen in the pdf. That’s also why with the black background my preferences are reversed: ie smaller dots (hence less black background) are better than bigger dots in this case (I think this might be the reason why no larger dot prints with black background were produced - they would have looked significantly duller in real lighting scenarios).
I moved my office to the Tate members’ room on the release day, so I looked at them A LOT in various light conditions during the day 😊. And keep in mind that there the lights are professionally designed, so one can’t do much better at home for managing the effect of reflections on contrast.
The above being said, I liked them all - really.
Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts? I did, and liked it a lot. My personal favourites in the flesh were, in order, Clariges, Raflles, Plaza and Camino real (while based on the pdf my favourites were the smaller dots ones of both background colours). The diasec mounting works better with the white background than with the black one: in the former case it increases contrast, making the image punchier, while in the latter it reduces it a bit (since reflections lighten the background). Obviously the effect of reflections cannot be seen in the pdf. That’s also why with the black background my preferences are reversed: ie smaller dots (hence less black background) are better than bigger dots in this case (I think this might be the reason why no larger dot prints with black background were produced - they would have looked significantly duller in real lighting scenarios). I moved my office to the Tate members’ room on the release day, so I looked at them A LOT in various light conditions during the day 😊. And keep in mind that there the lights are professionally designed, so one can’t do much better at home for managing the effect of reflections on contrast. The above being said, I liked them all - really. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 19:42:04 GMT 1, Thank you Chris. My friend checked off everything and ended up with Raffles. That, combined with him having to pay full price have him on the fence. I'm trying to convince him to just go for it. When I looked at it last night, it seemed that the spots were darker in color than the others. Is that true?
Thank you Chris. My friend checked off everything and ended up with Raffles. That, combined with him having to pay full price have him on the fence. I'm trying to convince him to just go for it. When I looked at it last night, it seemed that the spots were darker in color than the others. Is that true?
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by blerd on Sept 7, 2018 20:01:47 GMT 1, Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts? I did, and liked it a lot. My personal favourites in the flesh were, in order, Clariges, Raflles, Plaza and Camino real (while based on the pdf my favourites were the smaller dots ones of both background colours). The diasec mounting works better with the white background than with the black one: in the former case it increases contrast, making the image punchier, while in the latter it reduces it a bit (since reflections lighten the background). Obviously the effect of reflections cannot be seen in the pdf. That’s also why with the black background my preferences are reversed: ie smaller dots (hence less black background) are better than bigger dots in this case (I think this might be the reason why no larger dot prints with black background were produced - they would have looked significantly duller in real lighting scenarios). I moved my office to the Tate members’ room on the release day, so I looked at them A LOT in various light conditions during the day 😊. And keep in mind that there the lights are professionally designed, so one can’t do much better at home for managing the effect of reflections on contrast. The above being said, I liked them all - really.
Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts? I did, and liked it a lot. My personal favourites in the flesh were, in order, Clariges, Raflles, Plaza and Camino real (while based on the pdf my favourites were the smaller dots ones of both background colours). The diasec mounting works better with the white background than with the black one: in the former case it increases contrast, making the image punchier, while in the latter it reduces it a bit (since reflections lighten the background). Obviously the effect of reflections cannot be seen in the pdf. That’s also why with the black background my preferences are reversed: ie smaller dots (hence less black background) are better than bigger dots in this case (I think this might be the reason why no larger dot prints with black background were produced - they would have looked significantly duller in real lighting scenarios). I moved my office to the Tate members’ room on the release day, so I looked at them A LOT in various light conditions during the day 😊. And keep in mind that there the lights are professionally designed, so one can’t do much better at home for managing the effect of reflections on contrast. The above being said, I liked them all - really. I've a feeling the large spots on black background will be produced. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Sept 7, 2018 20:01:57 GMT 1, Thank you Chris. My friend checked off everything and ended up with Raffles. That, combined with him having to pay full price have him on the fence. I'm trying to convince him to just go for it. When I looked at it last night, it seemed that the spots were darker in color than the others. Is that true?
Darker? I haven’t noticed, and I don’t think so tbh. They had hanged H5 3 to 6 by each other, and the tryptic 4 to 5 had a perfectly matching dynamic range to the named eye - they looked actually designed to hang by each other in a very smooth transition (with obviously bigger dots/more white background having a spectrum shifted to the lighter side). H5 3 and, obviously, the smaller dots, have a much more clustered spectrum toward the dark tones (naturally).
Not sure my jargon makes much sense (used to be a photographer, sorry), but basically in pure terms of colours there aren’t darker/lighter prints, but white background ones are obviously perceived lighter than dark background, and among these smaller dots appear darker (due to less white).
And yes, the photog that made the pdf did a very crappy job to be honest.
I should have brought a real camera and put the images in photoshop to check the DR formally - maybe next time 😊
Thank you Chris. My friend checked off everything and ended up with Raffles. That, combined with him having to pay full price have him on the fence. I'm trying to convince him to just go for it. When I looked at it last night, it seemed that the spots were darker in color than the others. Is that true? Darker? I haven’t noticed, and I don’t think so tbh. They had hanged H5 3 to 6 by each other, and the tryptic 4 to 5 had a perfectly matching dynamic range to the named eye - they looked actually designed to hang by each other in a very smooth transition (with obviously bigger dots/more white background having a spectrum shifted to the lighter side). H5 3 and, obviously, the smaller dots, have a much more clustered spectrum toward the dark tones (naturally). Not sure my jargon makes much sense (used to be a photographer, sorry), but basically in pure terms of colours there aren’t darker/lighter prints, but white background ones are obviously perceived lighter than dark background, and among these smaller dots appear darker (due to less white). And yes, the photog that made the pdf did a very crappy job to be honest. I should have brought a real camera and put the images in photoshop to check the DR formally - maybe next time 😊 |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Sept 7, 2018 20:02:55 GMT 1, I've a feeling the large spots on black background will be produced.
Definitively. But probably no diasec in that case.
I've a feeling the large spots on black background will be produced. Definitively. But probably no diasec in that case. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by blerd on Sept 7, 2018 20:03:14 GMT 1, Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts?
Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts? Its like asking someone if they find your wife attractive. Its in the eye of the beholder. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by blerd on Sept 7, 2018 20:03:46 GMT 1, I've a feeling the large spots on black background will be produced. Definitively. But probably no diasec in that case.
I've a feeling the large spots on black background will be produced. Definitively. But probably no diasec in that case. Diasec for sure. H6... |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Sept 7, 2018 20:04:56 GMT 1, Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts? Its like asking someone if they find your wife attractive. Its in the eye of the beholder.
Nope - I did NOT get my favourite one :-(
Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts? Its like asking someone if they find your wife attractive. Its in the eye of the beholder. Nope - I did NOT get my favourite one :-( |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by blerd on Sept 7, 2018 20:06:28 GMT 1, Its like asking someone if they find your wife attractive. Its in the eye of the beholder. Nope - I did NOT get my favourite one :-(
Its like asking someone if they find your wife attractive. Its in the eye of the beholder. Nope - I did NOT get my favourite one :-( Does your wife know? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Sept 7, 2018 20:11:29 GMT 1, Nope - I did NOT get my favourite one :-( Does your wife know?
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She’d kill u for saying that, and she is a very active lurker on the forum - so watch ur back 😉
Nope - I did NOT get my favourite one :-( Does your wife know? 🤣 She’d kill u for saying that, and she is a very active lurker on the forum - so watch ur back 😉 |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by blerd on Sept 7, 2018 20:12:38 GMT 1, 🤣 She’d kill u for saying that, and is a very active lurker on the forum - so watch ur back 😉
🤣 She’d kill u for saying that, and is a very active lurker on the forum - so watch ur back 😉 you said it! haha |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Sept 7, 2018 20:13:50 GMT 1, If u r reading this: I meant the print darling, I swear!
If u r reading this: I meant the print darling, I swear!
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 7, 2018 20:17:12 GMT 1, Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts? Its like asking someone if they find your wife attractive. Its in the eye of the beholder.
Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts? Its like asking someone if they find your wife attractive. Its in the eye of the beholder. I understand. It stood out as having darker colored dots than the rest and wanted to see if anyone else made that observation. Should not have been so general. My bad. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by bjoern on Sept 8, 2018 9:15:19 GMT 1, I went to the private view in order to secure for myself a Raffles, which I thought is the strongest piece of this edition. After I saw them in the flesh, I ended up ordering my absolute favorites Beverly Hills & Savoy, since they are imo a more new, unique Hirst and distinguish more from the spot paintings. They belong together as a diptych and I am really happy Heni allocated me with my preferred choices...
But all H5s are great & look stunning in the flesh. Congratulations!
I went to the private view in order to secure for myself a Raffles, which I thought is the strongest piece of this edition. After I saw them in the flesh, I ended up ordering my absolute favorites Beverly Hills & Savoy, since they are imo a more new, unique Hirst and distinguish more from the spot paintings. They belong together as a diptych and I am really happy Heni allocated me with my preferred choices...
But all H5s are great & look stunning in the flesh. Congratulations!
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 10:30:27 GMT 1, Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts?
But I'm sure there are others who think the exact opposite.
Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts? I have to admit, I found the larger spot ones (Raffles and Plaza) slightly disappointing when I saw them in the Tate. I prefer the small to medium spots ones. But I'm sure there are others who think the exact opposite. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Express Post on Sept 8, 2018 10:37:03 GMT 1, Beauty about art. No right or wrong answers here. Something for everyone.
Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts? I have to admit, I found the larger spot ones (Raffles and Plaza) slightly disappointing when I saw them in the Tate. I prefer the small to medium spots ones. But I'm sure there are others who think the exact opposite.
Beauty about art. No right or wrong answers here. Something for everyone. Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts? I have to admit, I found the larger spot ones (Raffles and Plaza) slightly disappointing when I saw them in the Tate. I prefer the small to medium spots ones. But I'm sure there are others who think the exact opposite. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Sept 8, 2018 10:43:15 GMT 1, I can't help wondering if perhaps Damien Hirst himself doesn't even like the dark background ones very much. After all, why else would you bring out 6 light background ones and only 2 dark ones?
I can't help wondering if perhaps Damien Hirst himself doesn't even like the dark background ones very much. After all, why else would you bring out 6 light background ones and only 2 dark ones?
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by shy on Sept 8, 2018 12:48:28 GMT 1, Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts? I did, and liked it a lot. My personal favourites in the flesh were, in order, Clariges, Raflles, Plaza and Camino real (while based on the pdf my favourites were the smaller dots ones of both background colours). The diasec mounting works better with the white background than with the black one: in the former case it increases contrast, making the image punchier, while in the latter it reduces it a bit (since reflections lighten the background). Obviously the effect of reflections cannot be seen in the pdf. That’s also why with the black background my preferences are reversed: ie smaller dots (hence less black background) are better than bigger dots in this case (I think this might be the reason why no larger dot prints with black background were produced - they would have looked significantly duller in real lighting scenarios). I moved my office to the Tate members’ room on the release day, so I looked at them A LOT in various light conditions during the day 😊. And keep in mind that there the lights are professionally designed, so one can’t do much better at home for managing the effect of reflections on contrast. The above being said, I liked them all - really.
Anyone else seen Raffles in person. Thoughts? I did, and liked it a lot. My personal favourites in the flesh were, in order, Clariges, Raflles, Plaza and Camino real (while based on the pdf my favourites were the smaller dots ones of both background colours). The diasec mounting works better with the white background than with the black one: in the former case it increases contrast, making the image punchier, while in the latter it reduces it a bit (since reflections lighten the background). Obviously the effect of reflections cannot be seen in the pdf. That’s also why with the black background my preferences are reversed: ie smaller dots (hence less black background) are better than bigger dots in this case (I think this might be the reason why no larger dot prints with black background were produced - they would have looked significantly duller in real lighting scenarios). I moved my office to the Tate members’ room on the release day, so I looked at them A LOT in various light conditions during the day 😊. And keep in mind that there the lights are professionally designed, so one can’t do much better at home for managing the effect of reflections on contrast. The above being said, I liked them all - really. thank you chrisjl.... now i just keep waiting with crossed fingers hoping I will not get shut out again and at lease be offered one print.... |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Sept 8, 2018 12:55:54 GMT 1, I can't help wondering if perhaps Damien Hirst himself doesn't even like the dark background ones very much. After all, why else would you bring out 6 light background ones and only 2 dark ones?
Were there black background with large spots paintings? If so, my money of why they are not among the prints is that the reflections of diasec would not work for them.
I can't help wondering if perhaps Damien Hirst himself doesn't even like the dark background ones very much. After all, why else would you bring out 6 light background ones and only 2 dark ones? Were there black background with large spots paintings? If so, my money of why they are not among the prints is that the reflections of diasec would not work for them. |
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