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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by irl1 on Jan 29, 2019 17:23:13 GMT 1, Yeah, I have to agree with others Forum Auctions was not the best place to sell this. Bidding was weak on other lots. Many only just scrapping minimum estimates.
If i was the owner i'd be ringing now flatout to withdraw it 
Yeah, I have to agree with others Forum Auctions was not the best place to sell this. Bidding was weak on other lots. Many only just scrapping minimum estimates. Agree. I wonder how lot 270 will go, Banksy Girl With Balloon. If i was the owner i'd be ringing now flatout to withdraw it |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by alessandro on Jan 29, 2019 17:23:36 GMT 1, Seems right for Garden of Dreams. Sans Souci is a very strong image and was on a better platform.
Seems right for Garden of Dreams. Sans Souci is a very strong image and was on a better platform. I think the quality of the auction house and the audience is the major swing. I think the only way to get a true value of this edition is to put more to the hammer. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by irl1 on Jan 29, 2019 17:24:12 GMT 1, DON'T SELL AT FORUM. 🤦 SELL AT SOTHEBY'S.
DON'T SELL AT FORUM. 🤦 SELL AT SOTHEBY'S. 100% right or Phillips |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Jan 29, 2019 17:24:59 GMT 1, No, only hammer so excluding ARR, BP etc. Thank you, what was the total?
6 + 30% + 4%
No, only hammer so excluding ARR, BP etc. Thank you, what was the total? 6 + 30% + 4% |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by ARN on Jan 29, 2019 17:25:59 GMT 1, Yeah, I have to agree with others Forum Auctions was not the best place to sell this. Bidding was weak on other lots. Many only just scrapping minimum estimates. Agree. I wonder how lot 270 will go, Banksy Girl With Balloon. If i was the owner i'd be ringing now flatout to withdraw it
Condition issues with it though - so may be the best place to list it?
Yeah, I have to agree with others Forum Auctions was not the best place to sell this. Bidding was weak on other lots. Many only just scrapping minimum estimates. Agree. I wonder how lot 270 will go, Banksy Girl With Balloon. If i was the owner i'd be ringing now flatout to withdraw it Condition issues with it though - so may be the best place to list it? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by alessandro on Jan 29, 2019 17:26:38 GMT 1, Thank you, what was the total? 6 + 30%
so £8112?
Thank you, what was the total? 6 + 30% +4% for ARR so £8112? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 17:27:22 GMT 1, No, only hammer so excluding ARR, BP etc.
Who was it who said H4s are now worth 11K after the Phillips auction?
No, only hammer so excluding ARR, BP etc. That comes to just over 8K according to my calculations. Who was it who said H4s are now worth 11K after the Phillips auction? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by irl1 on Jan 29, 2019 17:40:06 GMT 1, Agree. I wonder how lot 270 will go, Banksy Girl With Balloon. If i was the owner i'd be ringing now flatout to withdraw it Condition issues with it though - so may be the best place to list it?
Its Phillips or Sothebys for Banksy works by a mile
Agree. I wonder how lot 270 will go, Banksy Girl With Balloon. If i was the owner i'd be ringing now flatout to withdraw it Condition issues with it though - so may be the best place to list it? Even with condition issues its not the best auction to have it in. Well we will know very soon. Its Phillips or Sothebys for Banksy works by a mile |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Jan 29, 2019 17:42:17 GMT 1, No, only hammer so excluding ARR, BP etc. That comes to just over 8K according to my calculations. Who was it who said H4s are now worth 11K after the Phillips auction?
Somebody that does not understand auction theory for sure :-)
No, only hammer so excluding ARR, BP etc. That comes to just over 8K according to my calculations. Who was it who said H4s are now worth 11K after the Phillips auction? Somebody that does not understand auction theory for sure :-) |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by 19818914 on Jan 29, 2019 17:42:34 GMT 1, the Banksy prints will get what they are worth.
the Banksy prints will get what they are worth.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by alessandro on Jan 29, 2019 17:42:45 GMT 1,
You can attempt to challenge what I said after the first auction. However, the points you raised were flawed, and you seemed rather uneducated on auctions and the use of estimates to attract buyers. I would recommend to you to conduct some more research on the current state of auction houses and the wider market.
I still believe, and it seems some other members agree that this was a low price driven by the poor auction house. I will also point out that I wrote that the Phillips auction result was an indication that the current offerings on eBay were too low and that they should correct themselves because of the high result. They have done that, and we have seen another result above what eBay listings were originally posted at.
You can attempt to challenge what I said after the first auction. However, the points you raised were flawed, and you seemed rather uneducated on auctions and the use of estimates to attract buyers. I would recommend to you to conduct some more research on the current state of auction houses and the wider market.
I still believe, and it seems some other members agree that this was a low price driven by the poor auction house. I will also point out that I wrote that the Phillips auction result was an indication that the current offerings on eBay were too low and that they should correct themselves because of the high result. They have done that, and we have seen another result above what eBay listings were originally posted at.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Happy Shopper on Jan 29, 2019 17:44:41 GMT 1, Someone paid £2800 plus premium for a Bast print... that's interesting!
Someone paid £2800 plus premium for a Bast print... that's interesting!
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by irl1 on Jan 29, 2019 17:48:58 GMT 1, Agree. I wonder how lot 270 will go, Banksy Girl With Balloon. If i was the owner i'd be ringing now flatout to withdraw it Condition issues with it though - so may be the best place to list it?
Agree. I wonder how lot 270 will go, Banksy Girl With Balloon. If i was the owner i'd be ringing now flatout to withdraw it Condition issues with it though - so may be the best place to list it? Not too bad 40k + fees |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by 19818914 on Jan 29, 2019 17:50:12 GMT 1, Strong sale by Forum. As expected.
Strong sale by Forum. As expected.
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 17:53:41 GMT 1, You can attempt to challenge what I said after the first auction. However, the points you raised were flawed, and you seemed rather uneducated on auctions and the use of estimates to attract buyers. I would recommend to you to conduct some more research on the current state of auction houses and the wider market. I still believe, and it seems some other members agree that this was a low price driven by the poor auction house. I will also point out that I wrote that the Phillips auction result is an indication that the current offerings on eBay were too low and that they should correct themselves because of the high result. They have done that, and we have seen another result above what eBay listings were originally posted at.
My previous comments following the Phillips auction had nothing to do with "estimates" but had everything to do with the realised prices. I don't think 8K was a particularly low price. I think it was a fairly good price actually considering they sold for 3K just one year ago. I would agree, however, that Forum auctions are not the best place to sell stuff but then again, Phillips is not the best place to buy stuff either. Phillips is never a good indicator of current prices because of that fact.
You can attempt to challenge what I said after the first auction. However, the points you raised were flawed, and you seemed rather uneducated on auctions and the use of estimates to attract buyers. I would recommend to you to conduct some more research on the current state of auction houses and the wider market. I still believe, and it seems some other members agree that this was a low price driven by the poor auction house. I will also point out that I wrote that the Phillips auction result is an indication that the current offerings on eBay were too low and that they should correct themselves because of the high result. They have done that, and we have seen another result above what eBay listings were originally posted at. My comment wasn't directed at you Allesandro. I was actually thinking of somebody else. (They know who they are.) My previous comments following the Phillips auction had nothing to do with "estimates" but had everything to do with the realised prices. I don't think 8K was a particularly low price. I think it was a fairly good price actually considering they sold for 3K just one year ago. I would agree, however, that Forum auctions are not the best place to sell stuff but then again, Phillips is not the best place to buy stuff either. Phillips is never a good indicator of current prices because of that fact. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Poster Bob on Jan 29, 2019 17:56:31 GMT 1, DON'T SELL AT FORUM. 🤦 SELL AT SOTHEBY'S. 100% right or Phillips
DON'T SELL AT FORUM. 🤦 SELL AT SOTHEBY'S. 100% right or Phillips DON'T SELL AT PHILLIPS. 🤦 SELL AT SOTHEBY'S. We here at Sotheby's are proud to announce the hiring of our newest art consultant, forum poster Mr. Markie Mark. We see big things in his future. He is certainly a man at the top of the art game and we are lucky to have him. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Poster Bob on Jan 29, 2019 17:59:12 GMT 1, You can attempt to challenge what I said after the first auction. However, the points you raised were flawed, and you seemed rather uneducated on auctions and the use of estimates to attract buyers. I would recommend to you to conduct some more research on the current state of auction houses and the wider market. I still believe, and it seems some other members agree that this was a low price driven by the poor auction house. I will also point out that I wrote that the Phillips auction result is an indication that the current offerings on eBay were too low and that they should correct themselves because of the high result. They have done that, and we have seen another result above what eBay listings were originally posted at. My comment wasn't directed at you Allesandro. I was actually thinking of somebody else. (They know who they are.) My previous comments following the Phillips auction had nothing to do with "estimates" but had everything to do with the realised prices. I don't think 8K was a particularly low price. I think it was a fairly good price actually considering they sold for 3K just one year ago. I would agree, however, that Forum auctions are not the best place to sell stuff but then again, Phillips is not the best place to buy stuff either. Phillips is never a good indicator of current prices because of that fact.
You can attempt to challenge what I said after the first auction. However, the points you raised were flawed, and you seemed rather uneducated on auctions and the use of estimates to attract buyers. I would recommend to you to conduct some more research on the current state of auction houses and the wider market. I still believe, and it seems some other members agree that this was a low price driven by the poor auction house. I will also point out that I wrote that the Phillips auction result is an indication that the current offerings on eBay were too low and that they should correct themselves because of the high result. They have done that, and we have seen another result above what eBay listings were originally posted at. My comment wasn't directed at you Allesandro. I was actually thinking of somebody else. (They know who they are.) My previous comments following the Phillips auction had nothing to do with "estimates" but had everything to do with the realised prices. I don't think 8K was a particularly low price. I think it was a fairly good price actually considering they sold for 3K just one year ago. I would agree, however, that Forum auctions are not the best place to sell stuff but then again, Phillips is not the best place to buy stuff either. Phillips is never a good indicator of current prices because of that fact. Our new hire everyone! Look at his sage advice! |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Graham H on Jan 29, 2019 18:02:32 GMT 1, Wouldnt it be great to see transparency on who owns what as a start point when people post their comments on here..
So much vested interest its hard to make head nor tail of what is being attempted with a lot of these posts.
( I dont own any of them just for reference )
Wouldnt it be great to see transparency on who owns what as a start point when people post their comments on here..
So much vested interest its hard to make head nor tail of what is being attempted with a lot of these posts.
( I dont own any of them just for reference )
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Jan 29, 2019 18:05:22 GMT 1, Just for the record. An (English type) auction selling price result reveals only one thing: the 2nd highest valuation in the population of bidders (but not the highest).
Corollary: i) auctions with a broader public deliver (in expectation) higher prices and ii) the selling price of such an auction is (very close to) an upper bound on the current value of the item (only the auction winner has a higher valuation).
Just for the record. An (English type) auction selling price result reveals only one thing: the 2nd highest valuation in the population of bidders (but not the highest).
Corollary: i) auctions with a broader public deliver (in expectation) higher prices and ii) the selling price of such an auction is (very close to) an upper bound on the current value of the item (only the auction winner has a higher valuation).
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Happy Shopper on Jan 29, 2019 18:20:22 GMT 1, Wouldnt it be great to see transparency on who owns what as a start point when people post their comments on here.. So much vested interest its hard to make head nor tail of what is being attempted with a lot of these posts. ( I dont own any of them just for reference )
I think almost everyone commenting probably owns one. And lucky them! (I missed out on an H4!) 
Wouldnt it be great to see transparency on who owns what as a start point when people post their comments on here.. So much vested interest its hard to make head nor tail of what is being attempted with a lot of these posts. ( I dont own any of them just for reference ) I think almost everyone commenting probably owns one. And lucky them! (I missed out on an H4!) |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by 19818914 on Jan 29, 2019 18:37:26 GMT 1, Wouldnt it be great to see transparency on who owns what as a start point when people post their comments on here.. So much vested interest its hard to make head nor tail of what is being attempted with a lot of these posts. ( I dont own any of them just for reference )
Graham, it’s all self interest.
Wouldnt it be great to see transparency on who owns what as a start point when people post their comments on here.. So much vested interest its hard to make head nor tail of what is being attempted with a lot of these posts. ( I dont own any of them just for reference ) Graham, it’s all self interest. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Graham H on Jan 29, 2019 18:43:32 GMT 1, I guess that was the point I was making....
Wouldnt it be great to see transparency on who owns what as a start point when people post their comments on here.. So much vested interest its hard to make head nor tail of what is being attempted with a lot of these posts. ( I dont own any of them just for reference ) I think almost everyone commenting probably owns one. And lucky them! (I missed out on an H4!)
I guess that was the point I was making.... Wouldnt it be great to see transparency on who owns what as a start point when people post their comments on here.. So much vested interest its hard to make head nor tail of what is being attempted with a lot of these posts. ( I dont own any of them just for reference ) I think almost everyone commenting probably owns one. And lucky them! (I missed out on an H4!) |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by irl1 on Jan 29, 2019 18:45:02 GMT 1, DON'T SELL AT PHILLIPS. 🤦 SELL AT SOTHEBY'S. We here at Sotheby's are proud to announce the hiring of our newest art consultant, forum poster Mr. Markie Mark. We see big things in his future. He is certainly a man at the top of the art game and we are lucky to have him.
Or is it sweet F.A
DON'T SELL AT PHILLIPS. 🤦 SELL AT SOTHEBY'S. We here at Sotheby's are proud to announce the hiring of our newest art consultant, forum poster Mr. Markie Mark. We see big things in his future. He is certainly a man at the top of the art game and we are lucky to have him. I take it Mr Markie Mark has a B.F.A or a M.F.A Or is it sweet F.A |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 19:18:22 GMT 1, DON'T SELL AT PHILLIPS. 🤦 SELL AT SOTHEBY'S. We here at Sotheby's are proud to announce the hiring of our newest art consultant, forum poster Mr. Markie Mark. We see big things in his future. He is certainly a man at the top of the art game and we are lucky to have him. I take it Mr Markie Mark has a B.F.A or a M.F.A Or is it sweet F.A
DON'T SELL AT PHILLIPS. 🤦 SELL AT SOTHEBY'S. We here at Sotheby's are proud to announce the hiring of our newest art consultant, forum poster Mr. Markie Mark. We see big things in his future. He is certainly a man at the top of the art game and we are lucky to have him. I take it Mr Markie Mark has a B.F.A or a M.F.A Or is it sweet F.A I don't have a BFA but I do have a BA (first class honours) if you're interested. I remember doing a 3,000 word essay on Damien Hirst's A Thousand Years for one of my final modules. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Deleted on Jan 29, 2019 19:34:21 GMT 1, Wouldnt it be great to see transparency on who owns what as a start point when people post their comments on here.. So much vested interest its hard to make head nor tail of what is being attempted with a lot of these posts. ( I dont own any of them just for reference )
everyone so long and talking their own books up.
love it
Wouldnt it be great to see transparency on who owns what as a start point when people post their comments on here.. So much vested interest its hard to make head nor tail of what is being attempted with a lot of these posts. ( I dont own any of them just for reference ) This thread looks very similar to some of the AIM / small cap listings bulletin boards on the stock market. everyone so long and talking their own books up. love it |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by irl1 on Jan 29, 2019 19:47:53 GMT 1, I take it Mr Markie Mark has a B.F.A or a M.F.A Or is it sweet F.A I don't have a BFA but I do have a BA (first class honours) if you're interested. I remember doing a 3,000 word essay on Damien Hirst's A Thousand Years for one of my final modules.
I take it Mr Markie Mark has a B.F.A or a M.F.A Or is it sweet F.A I don't have a BFA but I do have a BA (first class honours) if you're interested. I remember doing a 3,000 word essay on Damien Hirst's A Thousand Years for one of my final modules. |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by cnrdvln on Jan 31, 2019 16:52:37 GMT 1, Plaza doing OK with 2 hours to go
Plaza doing OK with 2 hours to go
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Poster Bob on Jan 31, 2019 17:45:43 GMT 1, One to watch but it appears to only have one legit bid. I think the last one went for $6,000 hammer.
Plaza doing OK with 2 hours to go
One to watch but it appears to only have one legit bid. I think the last one went for $6,000 hammer. Plaza doing OK with 2 hours to go |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by Chris JL on Jan 31, 2019 19:43:30 GMT 1, Plaza doing OK with 2 hours to go
And in the end?
Plaza doing OK with 2 hours to go And in the end? |
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Damien Hirst H4 • Veils, by cnrdvln on Jan 31, 2019 19:47:44 GMT 1, On mobile it stayed at 6k. Unless anyone else seen a more live update?
On mobile it stayed at 6k. Unless anyone else seen a more live update?
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