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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by bob60 on Jan 11, 2015 21:58:42 GMT 1, As I said above somewhere, if people buying (or not?) an unsigned Banksy Trollies for £3K when maybe 18 months ago you might have secured one for perhaps just north of £1K have the money to burn then go for it. It doesn't matter. Castle Gallery are a gallery, they sell and buy art and always come across on here from what I've seen as pretty rationale and reasonable. Price support for their customers will be weaker on the way down (if there is way down) than they were on the way up and that's if it's there at all from them or other market participants and I think that's the fulcrum of the dialogue. The CYW market was specifically targeted and hyped to buggery a few years ago, I know that as I know people who were involved in that who have no interest in art and deeper pockets than me and it's been sustained by people who do not know. Because of the Banksy price movements of late I personally would struggle to say that they will continue to rise but then I've been banging that drum for years now and been very wrong! There's a guy on here I know with a collection of Banksy prints worth £1mio plus, I think that's bonkers....... I'm going to step out of this debate after this and future price conversations, if anyone wants to talk you know where i am, one thing i will say is that im putting myself in the same position as my clients by buying stock rather than solely selling others works which is why im happy to stick my neck on the line, i dont think prices will keep rising the way they have indefinately, thats not possible, investing in anything is a risk, spend what you can afford to loose and pref buy something you enjoy so if it goes tits up youve got something you like.
As I said above somewhere, if people buying (or not?) an unsigned Banksy Trollies for £3K when maybe 18 months ago you might have secured one for perhaps just north of £1K have the money to burn then go for it. It doesn't matter. Castle Gallery are a gallery, they sell and buy art and always come across on here from what I've seen as pretty rationale and reasonable. Price support for their customers will be weaker on the way down (if there is way down) than they were on the way up and that's if it's there at all from them or other market participants and I think that's the fulcrum of the dialogue. The CYW market was specifically targeted and hyped to buggery a few years ago, I know that as I know people who were involved in that who have no interest in art and deeper pockets than me and it's been sustained by people who do not know. Because of the Banksy price movements of late I personally would struggle to say that they will continue to rise but then I've been banging that drum for years now and been very wrong! There's a guy on here I know with a collection of Banksy prints worth £1mio plus, I think that's bonkers....... I'm going to step out of this debate after this and future price conversations, if anyone wants to talk you know where i am, one thing i will say is that im putting myself in the same position as my clients by buying stock rather than solely selling others works which is why im happy to stick my neck on the line, i dont think prices will keep rising the way they have indefinately, thats not possible, investing in anything is a risk, spend what you can afford to loose and pref buy something you enjoy so if it goes tits up youve got something you like. Very well said. Please do not stop posting as I like reading your posts. You have more of an idea about prices than most people on here. I don't visit these forums too much but there does seem to be some angry and resentful people on here re Banksy prints. Some things never change, people with money will look for the best place to invest it, especially in times like these with zero interest rates, and this has always included art. Banksy is now part of the mainstream, most people I know who have absolutely no interest in art have heard of Banksy. It's a bit like following a band from the very beginning and then getting peed off when they become massive and everyone likes them. |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by dueuomo on Jan 12, 2015 1:05:54 GMT 1, Thats insightful, well done you win first prize! Its a secret hand gesture, im giving it to you right now Your economic round up is wrong imo. Banksy dropped a s**t load in mid/late 2008 after a massive gain just like we have seen over the last couple of years. Most of the world has been out of recession a few years now and this was when the market started to increase. Reliable economic commentators are generally in agreement that the world is on the brink of a massive economic crash. There isn't a come back for anonymous posters talking up prices like they will never fall but fair enough you appear to be willing to put your rep on the line with your forecasts.
I do not know which commentators you listen to but we (US) had the highest GDP growth in the last 10 years and the best employment results since 1999...so the economy seems very far away from the collapse!
Thats insightful, well done you win first prize! Its a secret hand gesture, im giving it to you right now Your economic round up is wrong imo. Banksy dropped a s**t load in mid/late 2008 after a massive gain just like we have seen over the last couple of years. Most of the world has been out of recession a few years now and this was when the market started to increase. Reliable economic commentators are generally in agreement that the world is on the brink of a massive economic crash. There isn't a come back for anonymous posters talking up prices like they will never fall but fair enough you appear to be willing to put your rep on the line with your forecasts. I do not know which commentators you listen to but we (US) had the highest GDP growth in the last 10 years and the best employment results since 1999...so the economy seems very far away from the collapse! |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by Red Barron on Jan 12, 2015 1:10:51 GMT 1, Cleary if we revert to an agrarian society, no art will hold anywhere close to full value (whatever that is). But the beauty of blue chip investments is they go down the least in bad times and recover first when things get better.
Cleary if we revert to an agrarian society, no art will hold anywhere close to full value (whatever that is). But the beauty of blue chip investments is they go down the least in bad times and recover first when things get better.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by J0NNY on Jan 12, 2015 3:48:12 GMT 1, Poor bloke is just trying to sell his art but damn near started a gang fight.
Poor bloke is just trying to sell his art but damn near started a gang fight.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by A.R.T. on Jan 12, 2015 6:06:28 GMT 1, Why should it matter what the final take home is for the eBay seller? The final cost what the buyer paid so that would indicate the market value.
I for one agree with you and think you are correct. However, the Banksy market seemed to have gotten a little thin for just a little while and now people are worried about the economy in the near future so more people are selling due to the increase in price. My question is what happens to the Banksy market when the economy goes to s**te? My biggest gripe at the moment is people are using eBay pricing to justify their own asking price. Ebay sales -10% off on eBay selling fee, -3% paypal fee, and any discrepancy/adjustment between shipping which is is sometimes included and can cost a significant amount because of insurance and/or shipping flat. So you in reality should subtract -13% + - shipping...But you don't see that. Auction houses are a whole other story with way bigger fees as we all know. Either way people are scooping them up so supply and demand in full force however it's going to be interesting to see how this all turns out. There has to be a ceiling and like you mentioned if the economy takes a s**t or all those desperate buyers pay over the top amounts of money and finally get what they want with no more deep pockets to make purchases...well I guess then I'll be back in the market for some Banksy's 
Why should it matter what the final take home is for the eBay seller? The final cost what the buyer paid so that would indicate the market value. I for one agree with you and think you are correct. However, the Banksy market seemed to have gotten a little thin for just a little while and now people are worried about the economy in the near future so more people are selling due to the increase in price. My question is what happens to the Banksy market when the economy goes to s**te? My biggest gripe at the moment is people are using eBay pricing to justify their own asking price. Ebay sales -10% off on eBay selling fee, -3% paypal fee, and any discrepancy/adjustment between shipping which is is sometimes included and can cost a significant amount because of insurance and/or shipping flat. So you in reality should subtract -13% + - shipping...But you don't see that. Auction houses are a whole other story with way bigger fees as we all know. Either way people are scooping them up so supply and demand in full force however it's going to be interesting to see how this all turns out. There has to be a ceiling and like you mentioned if the economy takes a s**t or all those desperate buyers pay over the top amounts of money and finally get what they want with no more deep pockets to make purchases...well I guess then I'll be back in the market for some Banksy's |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 6:35:50 GMT 1, So evidence that trolleys are 3k anyone  ? 
But to be honest i have no idea how worth is calculated or justified.
Do you like the image/print? Did someone offer the print up for sale? Do you have what the seller wants? Is spending that kind of money worth it? Then buy or walk away..... Simple
So evidence that trolleys are 3k anyone ? You want evidence? Why?..... It's the best image Banksy did... That's evidence enough imo But to be honest i have no idea how worth is calculated or justified. Do you like the image/print? Did someone offer the print up for sale? Do you have what the seller wants? Is spending that kind of money worth it? Then buy or walk away..... Simple |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 6:48:23 GMT 1, As I said above somewhere, if people buying (or not?) an unsigned Banksy Trollies for £3K when maybe 18 months ago you might have secured one for perhaps just north of £1K have the money to burn then go for it. It doesn't matter. Castle Gallery are a gallery, they sell and buy art and always come across on here from what I've seen as pretty rationale and reasonable. Price support for their customers will be weaker on the way down (if there is way down) than they were on the way up and that's if it's there at all from them or other market participants and I think that's the fulcrum of the dialogue. The CYW market was specifically targeted and hyped to buggery a few years ago, I know that as I know people who were involved in that who have no interest in art and deeper pockets than me and it's been sustained by people who do not know. Because of the Banksy price movements of late I personally would struggle to say that they will continue to rise but then I've been banging that drum for years now and been very wrong! There's a guy on here I know with a collection of Banksy prints worth £1mio plus, I think that's bonkers....... I'm going to step out of this debate after this and future price conversations, if anyone wants to talk you know where i am, one thing i will say is that im putting myself in the same position as my clients by buying stock rather than solely selling others works which is why im happy to stick my neck on the line, i dont think prices will keep rising the way they have indefinately, thats not possible, investing in anything is a risk, spend what you can afford to loose and pref buy something you enjoy so if it goes tits up youve got something you like.
Yes you run a gallery (a very good one at that). Running a gallery will probably have effect on your opinion about prices etc.... But people who can not (or don't want to) afford Banksy prints are also effected by that same reason on their opinion. That's how opinions are formed
If people have a different opinion on my opinion on Castles opinion please share that opinion.
As I said above somewhere, if people buying (or not?) an unsigned Banksy Trollies for £3K when maybe 18 months ago you might have secured one for perhaps just north of £1K have the money to burn then go for it. It doesn't matter. Castle Gallery are a gallery, they sell and buy art and always come across on here from what I've seen as pretty rationale and reasonable. Price support for their customers will be weaker on the way down (if there is way down) than they were on the way up and that's if it's there at all from them or other market participants and I think that's the fulcrum of the dialogue. The CYW market was specifically targeted and hyped to buggery a few years ago, I know that as I know people who were involved in that who have no interest in art and deeper pockets than me and it's been sustained by people who do not know. Because of the Banksy price movements of late I personally would struggle to say that they will continue to rise but then I've been banging that drum for years now and been very wrong! There's a guy on here I know with a collection of Banksy prints worth £1mio plus, I think that's bonkers....... I'm going to step out of this debate after this and future price conversations, if anyone wants to talk you know where i am, one thing i will say is that im putting myself in the same position as my clients by buying stock rather than solely selling others works which is why im happy to stick my neck on the line, i dont think prices will keep rising the way they have indefinately, thats not possible, investing in anything is a risk, spend what you can afford to loose and pref buy something you enjoy so if it goes tits up youve got something you like. Please don't step out of this debate. A good forum needs different views and different thoughts. If there was only one truth then life would be dull and easy. I value your opinion (as i value most opinions on this forum). Yes you run a gallery (a very good one at that). Running a gallery will probably have effect on your opinion about prices etc.... But people who can not (or don't want to) afford Banksy prints are also effected by that same reason on their opinion. That's how opinions are formed If people have a different opinion on my opinion on Castles opinion please share that opinion. |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by rebelate on Jan 12, 2015 6:49:21 GMT 1,
Why should it matter what the final take home is for the eBay seller? The final cost what the buyer paid so that would indicate the market value. My biggest gripe at the moment is people are using eBay pricing to justify their own asking price. Ebay sales -10% off on eBay selling fee, -3% paypal fee, and any discrepancy/adjustment between shipping which is is sometimes included and can cost a significant amount because of insurance and/or shipping flat. So you in reality should subtract -13% + - shipping...But you don't see that. Auction houses are a whole other story with way bigger fees as we all know. Either way people are scooping them up so supply and demand in full force however it's going to be interesting to see how this all turns out. There has to be a ceiling and like you mentioned if the economy takes a s**t or all those desperate buyers pay over the top amounts of money and finally get what they want with no more deep pockets to make purchases...well I guess then I'll be back in the market for some Banksy's
Why should it matter what the final take home is for the eBay seller? The final cost what the buyer paid so that would indicate the market value. My biggest gripe at the moment is people are using eBay pricing to justify their own asking price. Ebay sales -10% off on eBay selling fee, -3% paypal fee, and any discrepancy/adjustment between shipping which is is sometimes included and can cost a significant amount because of insurance and/or shipping flat. So you in reality should subtract -13% + - shipping...But you don't see that. Auction houses are a whole other story with way bigger fees as we all know. Either way people are scooping them up so supply and demand in full force however it's going to be interesting to see how this all turns out. There has to be a ceiling and like you mentioned if the economy takes a s**t or all those desperate buyers pay over the top amounts of money and finally get what they want with no more deep pockets to make purchases...well I guess then I'll be back in the market for some Banksy's That's why I made the statement about supply and demand. It matters in terms of people on here listing values and when told they're asking too much they try and justify what they deserve for the print b/c it sold on eBay for a certain amount a month ago. And usually they are asking much more than what it was previously sold for on eBay. Either way it's an interesting story to follow. |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by Black Apple Art on Jan 12, 2015 7:14:57 GMT 1, Great discussion but this poor mates sales thread has been nuked.
Great discussion but this poor mates sales thread has been nuked.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 7:46:15 GMT 1, Great discussion but this poor mates sales thread has been nuked.
All attention is good attention and i think it is a great print and good price. But i am crazy about this image
Great discussion but this poor mates sales thread has been nuked. All attention is good attention and i think it is a great print and good price. But i am crazy about this image |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by Dice on Jan 12, 2015 9:18:44 GMT 1, Prices fell in 2008 due to the biggest worldwide economic crash in many many years, they then rose slowly but don't forget back then we were pretty much used to a new banksy print or two coming out every year so we were confident of constant supply which meant there was perhaps less desperation in the market to buy secondary prints.
Fast forward to 2013/14 and supply from primary has disappeared and nobody knows if banksy will even release another print. Couple that with economic recovery, higher demand from a bigger market following BOTI and ETTGS and people holding out for even higher price rises before selling and you have this situation of basically hyperinflation that we're in now. It can't go on but not sure if prices will fall dramatically as long as people still have money in their pockets but so few banksys coming available to spend it on!
As Andy said, very important to buy what you like at this stage, buying to sell is very risky.
Prices fell in 2008 due to the biggest worldwide economic crash in many many years, they then rose slowly but don't forget back then we were pretty much used to a new banksy print or two coming out every year so we were confident of constant supply which meant there was perhaps less desperation in the market to buy secondary prints.
Fast forward to 2013/14 and supply from primary has disappeared and nobody knows if banksy will even release another print. Couple that with economic recovery, higher demand from a bigger market following BOTI and ETTGS and people holding out for even higher price rises before selling and you have this situation of basically hyperinflation that we're in now. It can't go on but not sure if prices will fall dramatically as long as people still have money in their pockets but so few banksys coming available to spend it on!
As Andy said, very important to buy what you like at this stage, buying to sell is very risky.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 9:41:17 GMT 1, Great discussion but this poor mates sales thread has been nuked.
Sorry again
Great discussion but this poor mates sales thread has been nuked. Sorry about the FS thread BA, i actually forgot it was one, maybe set a new one it would be completely understandable in this case. Sorry again |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by R0B on Jan 12, 2015 12:12:53 GMT 1,
I'm thoroughly enjoying the conversation! It seems the demand for this print is very strong and there are even people on this forum who are attempting to gazump an agreed sale.
I'm thoroughly enjoying the conversation! It seems the demand for this print is very strong and there are even people on this forum who are attempting to gazump an agreed sale.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by Fish in the Sea on Jan 12, 2015 13:52:47 GMT 1, This is now Sold - thanks
This is now Sold - thanks
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by andyroo0312 on Jan 12, 2015 13:55:31 GMT 1, So evidence that trolleys are 3k anyone ? 
So evidence that trolleys are 3k anyone ? This Trolleys was for sale at £3k had lots of interest and is now sold would that not be evidence that people are willing to pay £3k for a u/s Trolleys? Just sayin. |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by jayTown on Jan 12, 2015 16:43:30 GMT 1, I was trying to sell a piece to fund this. If it hadn't fallen through then i would of paid around the 3k mark. It might seem crazy but that's where the market is at right now.
I was trying to sell a piece to fund this. If it hadn't fallen through then i would of paid around the 3k mark. It might seem crazy but that's where the market is at right now.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by R0B on Jan 12, 2015 17:32:04 GMT 1, So evidence that trolleys are 3k anyone ? This Trolleys was for sale at £3k had lots of interest and is now sold would that not be evidence that people are willing to pay £3k for a u/s Trolleys? Just sayin.
Moreover a couple of people were willing to pay more if you are prepared to ship. This is obviously increased risk so I try to avoid.
So evidence that trolleys are 3k anyone ? This Trolleys was for sale at £3k had lots of interest and is now sold would that not be evidence that people are willing to pay £3k for a u/s Trolleys? Just sayin. Moreover a couple of people were willing to pay more if you are prepared to ship. This is obviously increased risk so I try to avoid. |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 17:39:30 GMT 1, I'd have avoided that like the plague, that shipping lark - so the price is settled - next month it might be less, might be more! I still think it's nuts but my opinion is not relevant, you just need a willing buyer and willing seller.
200 or so chickens that.....
I'd have avoided that like the plague, that shipping lark - so the price is settled - next month it might be less, might be more! I still think it's nuts but my opinion is not relevant, you just need a willing buyer and willing seller.
200 or so chickens that.....
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by grafik on Jan 12, 2015 20:22:55 GMT 1, the banksy "market" which I and many others on here have been in since 2002/3/4 has seen both rises and falls.
If you take the unsigned trolleys market:
2007 release: £255 if i remember rightly (fastest finger first)
i sold it in 2008 for nigh on a grand
i bought another off jasper in 2009 for about 650
they stayed pretty flat till 2011/12 before rising again.
banksys will go up aswel as down, at the moment art is a strong asset class as it is tax free (currently) and with low interest rates people are looking at alternative assets for returns. Art has always provided these just recentally investors are starting to notice banksy. As soon as we see some decent yeilds in the more traditional markets you will see the art market (and the car, wine etc) slip back down.
the banksy "market" which I and many others on here have been in since 2002/3/4 has seen both rises and falls.
If you take the unsigned trolleys market:
2007 release: £255 if i remember rightly (fastest finger first)
i sold it in 2008 for nigh on a grand
i bought another off jasper in 2009 for about 650
they stayed pretty flat till 2011/12 before rising again.
banksys will go up aswel as down, at the moment art is a strong asset class as it is tax free (currently) and with low interest rates people are looking at alternative assets for returns. Art has always provided these just recentally investors are starting to notice banksy. As soon as we see some decent yeilds in the more traditional markets you will see the art market (and the car, wine etc) slip back down.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by Deleted on Jan 12, 2015 21:20:17 GMT 1, What is this yeild thing of which you speak grafik?
How low does brent crdue slip to?
What is this yeild thing of which you speak grafik?
How low does brent crdue slip to?
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by grafik on Jan 12, 2015 21:25:58 GMT 1, interest rates are 0.5%, bond rates are low. why put your cash in the 'bank'
oil is about as low as its going to get, Saudi have made their point and fucked russia, the rest of the GCC and US shale,
Seadrill isnt a bad buy at the moment.
interest rates are 0.5%, bond rates are low. why put your cash in the 'bank'
oil is about as low as its going to get, Saudi have made their point and fucked russia, the rest of the GCC and US shale,
Seadrill isnt a bad buy at the moment.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by elevenspots on Jan 18, 2015 17:28:37 GMT 1, Hi.
As stated - want, ideally unframed. Uk ideally - as would prefer a face to face. COA needed.
Cash waiting. Visiting LDN next Saturday is any are floating around the big smoke!
Many thanks.
R
Hi.
As stated - want, ideally unframed. Uk ideally - as would prefer a face to face. COA needed.
Cash waiting. Visiting LDN next Saturday is any are floating around the big smoke!
Many thanks.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by Deleted on Jan 18, 2015 17:44:58 GMT 1, Some are floating around at the moment or did they all got sold already?
And no need for me to tell this is a cracking print
Some are floating around at the moment or did they all got sold already? And no need for me to tell this is a cracking print |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by adrian66 on Jan 20, 2015 9:58:50 GMT 1, Sale of the much sought after Banksy 'TROLLEYS'.
Limited edition print of 750 - Signed - COA Pest Control -
£7000
This print has been stored in the original postage tube with POW acid-free tissue, since purchase.
I am the original owner from new It has never been displayed or framed. It is absolutely 'as new'. You will not be disappointed.
The original postage tube with the Pictures On Walls post mark! All included and all add to the authenticity of this print.
Payment by cash, or bank transfer, or cheque, but I will need the funds to clear before I post out. Delivery by Royal Mail Special Delivery. Or collection possible Please contact me by email with any questions regards Adrian
email topsies1@btconnect.com
Based in Dorset
Tel: 01258 840744
Sale of the much sought after Banksy 'TROLLEYS'.
Limited edition print of 750 - Signed - COA Pest Control -
£7000
This print has been stored in the original postage tube with POW acid-free tissue, since purchase.
I am the original owner from new It has never been displayed or framed. It is absolutely 'as new'. You will not be disappointed.
The original postage tube with the Pictures On Walls post mark! All included and all add to the authenticity of this print.
Payment by cash, or bank transfer, or cheque, but I will need the funds to clear before I post out. Delivery by Royal Mail Special Delivery. Or collection possible Please contact me by email with any questions regards Adrian
email topsies1@btconnect.com
Based in Dorset
Tel: 01258 840744
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by dotdot on Jan 20, 2015 10:16:58 GMT 1, stored in the tube ?
why ?
how many years in the tube ...
stored in the tube ?
why ?
how many years in the tube ...
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by uncle on Jan 20, 2015 10:23:52 GMT 1, pics please?
pics please?
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by Ponyboy Curtis on Jan 20, 2015 10:28:13 GMT 1, Oh dear. Stored in a POW tube for years isn't a great start. 
Apart from that it's a great advert for a great print at the right sort of money if you ask me.
Oh dear. Stored in a POW tube for years isn't a great start. Apart from that it's a great advert for a great print at the right sort of money if you ask me. |
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by Poster Bob on Jan 20, 2015 10:30:20 GMT 1, Oof, all those years in a tube? I'll give you £3,000 if it can still be fixed.
Oof, all those years in a tube? I'll give you £3,000 if it can still be fixed.
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Banksy • Trolley Hunters, by Justdave on Jan 20, 2015 10:34:36 GMT 1, Where's json? Lol
Where's json? Lol
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