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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by 25127096 on Sept 3, 2018 20:52:19 GMT 1, With Brexit approaching, I think this maybe on some peopleโs minds. An interesting read from artsy magazine, offering some insight. For those of us that donโt fully understand the implications, this sums up Brexit and itโs effect on the art market in the uk and Europe.
The role of the state has always been somewhat of a double-edged sword in the art market. Governments support a robust art trade by actively promoting supply through funding of the arts, and stimulating private sales and investing through tax and fiscal incentives. The state is also the ultimate protector of the market, regulating trade within and across borders to reduce crime and malpractice, and to ensure that a nationโs cultural heritage is kept intact. However, regulations and taxes can also add layers of costs and red tape to the market, causing disincentives to investment and stymying the healthy flow of transactions, as well as interfering in important cross-cultural exchanges and the production of works of art. These negative effects are not equally distributed between countries, which has had important distributional consequences, with sales concentrating on those centers around the world that have the most liberal regimes. Art is a mobile, durable, and portable asset: Both buyers and vendors can and do use regulatory arbitrage to access the best sales terms, especially as the values of works climb higher. This is yet another reason why global sales have gravitated towards a few key market hubs like the U.S. and U.K., both of which have strongly followed the Anglo-Saxon model of low regulation, competition, and strong private property rights. The U.S. has retained its leading position by a substantial margin in most recent years, accounting for 42% of the value of global sales in 2017, thanks in large part to its favorable regulatory structure for buying and selling art. Meanwhile, the rise of Asia over the last decade or so has been accompanied by a decline in market share in Europe. In 2003, the EU had a 53% share of sales; now, it has just 33%. While there are many reasons for Europeโs decline, one primary factor is the perception that its regulatory structure makes it a costly and complex place in which to transact. Perhaps more worrying, the main reason for Europe still retaining a third of the marketโs value has been that it can still count the U.K., without which it drops to just 13%. Despite many attempts by the EU to level the competitive playing field in the Single Market for art, the U.K. has consistently retained a dominant position, accounting for over 60% of sales by value and being the primary center of international transactions. This has been a consistent picture since the 1960s, when the market moved from Paris to the U.S. and U.K. This relocation was due to the underlying shifts in the established bases of wealth and economic power, but also because of the introduction of a complicated system of taxes and royalties on art sales that drove both buyers and sellers away from France and towards more liberal trading regimes. Wealth and a favorable regulatory environment (buttressed by a robust cultural infrastructure of expertise and institutions) are still two of the key drivers of where global art sales take place. These two determinants are one reason why the U.S., with its high concentration of high-net-worth individuals, as well as a legal and fiscal system that protects buyers and supports sellers, has become a global entrรฉpot market that couples strong domestic trade alongside foreign trade. The latter, in particular, is facilitated by a liberal trading regime for art. Similarly, the dominance of the U.K. in Europe has, to a very large extent, been dependent on successfully competing with global rivals to attract the best works of art for sale. The success of the British market is, therefore, highly vulnerable to fiscal and regulatory changes, which could put it at a disadvantage in an increasingly competitive market. Brexit now provides U.K. and EU policymakers an impetus for regulatory review and potential change. Right now, this is a source of uncertainty within the art trade, particularly with regards to the terms of trade that may emerge between the U.K. and other EU member states, but it is also a golden opportunity for the U.K. to break out of the EUโs top-down mould of regulation and set its own legal regime for the art trade. Brexit will enable the U.K. art trade to propose that several art market-related EU directives be modified or deleted, most notably those centered on imports and exports, as well as on artistsโ resale rights. Currently, the level of import VAT is 5% in the U.K., the lowest rate allowable under EU rules. While it is the lowest in Europe, it compares unfavorably with the U.S. (0%) and China (3%). Coming out of Brexit, the U.K. could enhance its competitive position by lowering the rate or removing import VAT altogether (the latter move would take the U.K. back to the position it was in before 1995, when it was forced to comply with the EU VAT directive). More favorable rates could attract global sales, effectively bypassing Europe altogether. However, if any rate above zero is introduced on intra-EU trade, this will represent a deterioration from the U.K.โs current position as a member of the Single Market for art. Given that the U.K. art market is dominated by extra-EU trade, which accounts for between 80% and 85% of both imports and exports of art by value, this may have a lesser effect on the overall value of U.K. sales, but may affect employment or ancillary business in the U.K., all of which needs to be analyzed and balanced. A silver lining for the remaining EU markets is the opportunity for one country to become the global entry point to the European market. France, being the largest, and already with import VAT of just 5.5%, appears to be the prime contender. The U.K. also currently participates in an artistsโ resale rights (ARR) regime, which was introduced in the EU in 2006 for living artists (and 2012 for artistsโ heirs), imposing royalties in all member states, including countries that had never had resale rights before, such as Ireland, the Netherlands, Austria, and the U.K. Rather than being motivated by the support of artists, the primary intention of the introduction of the ARR was to smooth out distortions of competition within the EU in the Single Market due to the disparities in national laws. But it did so with the disadvantage of leaving all of the member states in an uncompetitive position compared with non-EU markets that have no intention of ever bringing in the legislation, such as the U.S., China, and Switzerland. It has become increasingly clear that the art trade is relatively mobile and will take account of the differing costs of trading in various locations over time. There is a clear incentive for a vendor to relocate a sale if the cost of moving a work of art from one country to another is less than the amount of the royalty payable, and this is very much the case as prices rise. Gathering together current estimates on fees for works costing $50,000 or above, it would indeed be cheaper for a vendor to pack, insure, crate, and export an artwork to New York for sale than it would be for them to sell them in London or Paris with royalty. And it would be cheaper again to sell in nearby Switzerland, which also never had this law in its statute books. While it is yet unclear if the U.K. will be able to fully free itself from the directive, the case of ARR in Europe shows the potentially perverse and negative impact the government can have on the market when the total economic effects of legislation are not included in decision-making. While Brexit was a shock to the European art trade, change can bring opportunities. For the U.K., this is an opportunity to conduct a comprehensive cost benefit analysis of these directives and their implications for the future of the British art market, given the countryโs newfound freedom to take decisive action on the outcomes. For countries remaining, like France, there is also an opportunity to perhaps lead Europe in a new direction. The French market has a dynamic and vastly knowledgeable network of galleries, and is already in the process of overhauling its auction sector. A great example of market actorsโ capacity to challenge policy was seen in recent years, when the government tried to increase import VAT on art in 2014 from 7% to 10%. The market rallied together and provided evidence to the government of how raising the tax would actually lead to a large loss in revenue, due to its negative effects on sales. The protestors succeeded not only in getting the hike prevented, but also convinced the government to introduce a new lower rate of 5.5%. This worked because the dealer and auction sector collaborated in presenting one strong voice to government (as has been done by the British Art Market Federation in the U.K. for many years). It also presented an objective economic cost benefit analysis of the policy that looked beyond short-term revenues or emotive arguments, instead looking to the wider economic implications for the market. While the EUโFrance, in particularlyโhas always focused on hierarchical, top-down, command-and-control regulation, the success of both the U.K. and the U.S. in the global art trade seems to indicate that much can be learned from the Anglo-Saxon model, which relies on a framework of laws that protect the interests of participants in the market and allows the freedom to compete. Most economists share the belief that if a market is working efficiently, it should be left alone. A fully-functioning, competitive economy should be able to satisfy consumer preferences optimally without intervention. Governments intervening in the market have the burden of proof of showing where parts of it arenโt working properly, and that, left to its own devices, the outcome will either be inefficient or socially sub-optimal. There are certainly failures in the market for art, from potential failures of competition to the disregard for the many positive externalities the sector creates. There are also morality-based arguments that would suggest a role for the government in ensuring an optimal level of production and access. However, every government intervention has its own costs and consequences, and a full analysis of these is necessary to ensure that Europe does not become a second-tier market, trailing the U.S., China, and the U.K.
With Brexit approaching, I think this maybe on some peopleโs minds. An interesting read from artsy magazine, offering some insight. For those of us that donโt fully understand the implications, this sums up Brexit and itโs effect on the art market in the uk and Europe.
The role of the state has always been somewhat of a double-edged sword in the art market. Governments support a robust art trade by actively promoting supply through funding of the arts, and stimulating private sales and investing through tax and fiscal incentives. The state is also the ultimate protector of the market, regulating trade within and across borders to reduce crime and malpractice, and to ensure that a nationโs cultural heritage is kept intact. However, regulations and taxes can also add layers of costs and red tape to the market, causing disincentives to investment and stymying the healthy flow of transactions, as well as interfering in important cross-cultural exchanges and the production of works of art. These negative effects are not equally distributed between countries, which has had important distributional consequences, with sales concentrating on those centers around the world that have the most liberal regimes. Art is a mobile, durable, and portable asset: Both buyers and vendors can and do use regulatory arbitrage to access the best sales terms, especially as the values of works climb higher. This is yet another reason why global sales have gravitated towards a few key market hubs like the U.S. and U.K., both of which have strongly followed the Anglo-Saxon model of low regulation, competition, and strong private property rights. The U.S. has retained its leading position by a substantial margin in most recent years, accounting for 42% of the value of global sales in 2017, thanks in large part to its favorable regulatory structure for buying and selling art. Meanwhile, the rise of Asia over the last decade or so has been accompanied by a decline in market share in Europe. In 2003, the EU had a 53% share of sales; now, it has just 33%. While there are many reasons for Europeโs decline, one primary factor is the perception that its regulatory structure makes it a costly and complex place in which to transact. Perhaps more worrying, the main reason for Europe still retaining a third of the marketโs value has been that it can still count the U.K., without which it drops to just 13%. Despite many attempts by the EU to level the competitive playing field in the Single Market for art, the U.K. has consistently retained a dominant position, accounting for over 60% of sales by value and being the primary center of international transactions. This has been a consistent picture since the 1960s, when the market moved from Paris to the U.S. and U.K. This relocation was due to the underlying shifts in the established bases of wealth and economic power, but also because of the introduction of a complicated system of taxes and royalties on art sales that drove both buyers and sellers away from France and towards more liberal trading regimes. Wealth and a favorable regulatory environment (buttressed by a robust cultural infrastructure of expertise and institutions) are still two of the key drivers of where global art sales take place. These two determinants are one reason why the U.S., with its high concentration of high-net-worth individuals, as well as a legal and fiscal system that protects buyers and supports sellers, has become a global entrรฉpot market that couples strong domestic trade alongside foreign trade. The latter, in particular, is facilitated by a liberal trading regime for art. Similarly, the dominance of the U.K. in Europe has, to a very large extent, been dependent on successfully competing with global rivals to attract the best works of art for sale. The success of the British market is, therefore, highly vulnerable to fiscal and regulatory changes, which could put it at a disadvantage in an increasingly competitive market. Brexit now provides U.K. and EU policymakers an impetus for regulatory review and potential change. Right now, this is a source of uncertainty within the art trade, particularly with regards to the terms of trade that may emerge between the U.K. and other EU member states, but it is also a golden opportunity for the U.K. to break out of the EUโs top-down mould of regulation and set its own legal regime for the art trade. Brexit will enable the U.K. art trade to propose that several art market-related EU directives be modified or deleted, most notably those centered on imports and exports, as well as on artistsโ resale rights. Currently, the level of import VAT is 5% in the U.K., the lowest rate allowable under EU rules. While it is the lowest in Europe, it compares unfavorably with the U.S. (0%) and China (3%). Coming out of Brexit, the U.K. could enhance its competitive position by lowering the rate or removing import VAT altogether (the latter move would take the U.K. back to the position it was in before 1995, when it was forced to comply with the EU VAT directive). More favorable rates could attract global sales, effectively bypassing Europe altogether. However, if any rate above zero is introduced on intra-EU trade, this will represent a deterioration from the U.K.โs current position as a member of the Single Market for art. Given that the U.K. art market is dominated by extra-EU trade, which accounts for between 80% and 85% of both imports and exports of art by value, this may have a lesser effect on the overall value of U.K. sales, but may affect employment or ancillary business in the U.K., all of which needs to be analyzed and balanced. A silver lining for the remaining EU markets is the opportunity for one country to become the global entry point to the European market. France, being the largest, and already with import VAT of just 5.5%, appears to be the prime contender. The U.K. also currently participates in an artistsโ resale rights (ARR) regime, which was introduced in the EU in 2006 for living artists (and 2012 for artistsโ heirs), imposing royalties in all member states, including countries that had never had resale rights before, such as Ireland, the Netherlands, Austria, and the U.K. Rather than being motivated by the support of artists, the primary intention of the introduction of the ARR was to smooth out distortions of competition within the EU in the Single Market due to the disparities in national laws. But it did so with the disadvantage of leaving all of the member states in an uncompetitive position compared with non-EU markets that have no intention of ever bringing in the legislation, such as the U.S., China, and Switzerland. It has become increasingly clear that the art trade is relatively mobile and will take account of the differing costs of trading in various locations over time. There is a clear incentive for a vendor to relocate a sale if the cost of moving a work of art from one country to another is less than the amount of the royalty payable, and this is very much the case as prices rise. Gathering together current estimates on fees for works costing $50,000 or above, it would indeed be cheaper for a vendor to pack, insure, crate, and export an artwork to New York for sale than it would be for them to sell them in London or Paris with royalty. And it would be cheaper again to sell in nearby Switzerland, which also never had this law in its statute books. While it is yet unclear if the U.K. will be able to fully free itself from the directive, the case of ARR in Europe shows the potentially perverse and negative impact the government can have on the market when the total economic effects of legislation are not included in decision-making. While Brexit was a shock to the European art trade, change can bring opportunities. For the U.K., this is an opportunity to conduct a comprehensive cost benefit analysis of these directives and their implications for the future of the British art market, given the countryโs newfound freedom to take decisive action on the outcomes. For countries remaining, like France, there is also an opportunity to perhaps lead Europe in a new direction. The French market has a dynamic and vastly knowledgeable network of galleries, and is already in the process of overhauling its auction sector. A great example of market actorsโ capacity to challenge policy was seen in recent years, when the government tried to increase import VAT on art in 2014 from 7% to 10%. The market rallied together and provided evidence to the government of how raising the tax would actually lead to a large loss in revenue, due to its negative effects on sales. The protestors succeeded not only in getting the hike prevented, but also convinced the government to introduce a new lower rate of 5.5%. This worked because the dealer and auction sector collaborated in presenting one strong voice to government (as has been done by the British Art Market Federation in the U.K. for many years). It also presented an objective economic cost benefit analysis of the policy that looked beyond short-term revenues or emotive arguments, instead looking to the wider economic implications for the market. While the EUโFrance, in particularlyโhas always focused on hierarchical, top-down, command-and-control regulation, the success of both the U.K. and the U.S. in the global art trade seems to indicate that much can be learned from the Anglo-Saxon model, which relies on a framework of laws that protect the interests of participants in the market and allows the freedom to compete. Most economists share the belief that if a market is working efficiently, it should be left alone. A fully-functioning, competitive economy should be able to satisfy consumer preferences optimally without intervention. Governments intervening in the market have the burden of proof of showing where parts of it arenโt working properly, and that, left to its own devices, the outcome will either be inefficient or socially sub-optimal. There are certainly failures in the market for art, from potential failures of competition to the disregard for the many positive externalities the sector creates. There are also morality-based arguments that would suggest a role for the government in ensuring an optimal level of production and access. However, every government intervention has its own costs and consequences, and a full analysis of these is necessary to ensure that Europe does not become a second-tier market, trailing the U.S., China, and the U.K.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by shy on Sept 3, 2018 21:00:56 GMT 1, I think initially it will be bad for the economy as a whole as the pound will most likely drop, but it should rebound over time.
But on the flip side, as the pound drops it may entice more overseas purchases as artwork will be less expensive to buy from abroad.
I think initially it will be bad for the economy as a whole as the pound will most likely drop, but it should rebound over time.
But on the flip side, as the pound drops it may entice more overseas purchases as artwork will be less expensive to buy from abroad.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Extra Ball on Sept 3, 2018 21:57:45 GMT 1, With Brexit approaching, I think this maybe on some peopleโs minds. An interesting read from artsy magazine, offering some insight. For those of us that donโt fully understand the implications, this sums up Brexit and itโs effect on the art market in the uk and Europe. The role of the state has always been somewhat of a double-edged sword in the art market. Governments support a robust art trade by actively promoting supply through funding of the arts, and stimulating private sales and investing through tax and fiscal incentives. The state is also the ultimate protector of the market, regulating trade within and across borders to reduce crime and malpractice, and to ensure that a nationโs cultural heritage is kept intact. However, regulations and taxes can also add layers of costs and red tape to the market, causing disincentives to investment and stymying the healthy flow of transactions, as well as interfering in important cross-cultural exchanges and the production of works of art. These negative effects are not equally distributed between countries, which has had important distributional consequences, with sales concentrating on those centers around the world that have the most liberal regimes. Art is a mobile, durable, and portable asset: Both buyers and vendors can and do use regulatory arbitrage to access the best sales terms, especially as the values of works climb higher. This is yet another reason why global sales have gravitated towards a few key market hubs like the U.S. and U.K., both of which have strongly followed the Anglo-Saxon model of low regulation, competition, and strong private property rights. The U.S. has retained its leading position by a substantial margin in most recent years, accounting for 42% of the value of global sales in 2017, thanks in large part to its favorable regulatory structure for buying and selling art. Meanwhile, the rise of Asia over the last decade or so has been accompanied by a decline in market share in Europe. In 2003, the EU had a 53% share of sales; now, it has just 33%. While there are many reasons for Europeโs decline, one primary factor is the perception that its regulatory structure makes it a costly and complex place in which to transact. Perhaps more worrying, the main reason for Europe still retaining a third of the marketโs value has been that it can still count the U.K., without which it drops to just 13%. Despite many attempts by the EU to level the competitive playing field in the Single Market for art, the U.K. has consistently retained a dominant position, accounting for over 60% of sales by value and being the primary center of international transactions. This has been a consistent picture since the 1960s, when the market moved from Paris to the U.S. and U.K. This relocation was due to the underlying shifts in the established bases of wealth and economic power, but also because of the introduction of a complicated system of taxes and royalties on art sales that drove both buyers and sellers away from France and towards more liberal trading regimes. Wealth and a favorable regulatory environment (buttressed by a robust cultural infrastructure of expertise and institutions) are still two of the key drivers of where global art sales take place. These two determinants are one reason why the U.S., with its high concentration of high-net-worth individuals, as well as a legal and fiscal system that protects buyers and supports sellers, has become a global entrรฉpot market that couples strong domestic trade alongside foreign trade. The latter, in particular, is facilitated by a liberal trading regime for art. Similarly, the dominance of the U.K. in Europe has, to a very large extent, been dependent on successfully competing with global rivals to attract the best works of art for sale. The success of the British market is, therefore, highly vulnerable to fiscal and regulatory changes, which could put it at a disadvantage in an increasingly competitive market. Brexit now provides U.K. and EU policymakers an impetus for regulatory review and potential change. Right now, this is a source of uncertainty within the art trade, particularly with regards to the terms of trade that may emerge between the U.K. and other EU member states, but it is also a golden opportunity for the U.K. to break out of the EUโs top-down mould of regulation and set its own legal regime for the art trade. Brexit will enable the U.K. art trade to propose that several art market-related EU directives be modified or deleted, most notably those centered on imports and exports, as well as on artistsโ resale rights. Currently, the level of import VAT is 5% in the U.K., the lowest rate allowable under EU rules. While it is the lowest in Europe, it compares unfavorably with the U.S. (0%) and China (3%). Coming out of Brexit, the U.K. could enhance its competitive position by lowering the rate or removing import VAT altogether (the latter move would take the U.K. back to the position it was in before 1995, when it was forced to comply with the EU VAT directive). More favorable rates could attract global sales, effectively bypassing Europe altogether. However, if any rate above zero is introduced on intra-EU trade, this will represent a deterioration from the U.K.โs current position as a member of the Single Market for art. Given that the U.K. art market is dominated by extra-EU trade, which accounts for between 80% and 85% of both imports and exports of art by value, this may have a lesser effect on the overall value of U.K. sales, but may affect employment or ancillary business in the U.K., all of which needs to be analyzed and balanced. A silver lining for the remaining EU markets is the opportunity for one country to become the global entry point to the European market. France, being the largest, and already with import VAT of just 5.5%, appears to be the prime contender. The U.K. also currently participates in an artistsโ resale rights (ARR) regime, which was introduced in the EU in 2006 for living artists (and 2012 for artistsโ heirs), imposing royalties in all member states, including countries that had never had resale rights before, such as Ireland, the Netherlands, Austria, and the U.K. Rather than being motivated by the support of artists, the primary intention of the introduction of the ARR was to smooth out distortions of competition within the EU in the Single Market due to the disparities in national laws. But it did so with the disadvantage of leaving all of the member states in an uncompetitive position compared with non-EU markets that have no intention of ever bringing in the legislation, such as the U.S., China, and Switzerland. It has become increasingly clear that the art trade is relatively mobile and will take account of the differing costs of trading in various locations over time. There is a clear incentive for a vendor to relocate a sale if the cost of moving a work of art from one country to another is less than the amount of the royalty payable, and this is very much the case as prices rise. Gathering together current estimates on fees for works costing $50,000 or above, it would indeed be cheaper for a vendor to pack, insure, crate, and export an artwork to New York for sale than it would be for them to sell them in London or Paris with royalty. And it would be cheaper again to sell in nearby Switzerland, which also never had this law in its statute books. While it is yet unclear if the U.K. will be able to fully free itself from the directive, the case of ARR in Europe shows the potentially perverse and negative impact the government can have on the market when the total economic effects of legislation are not included in decision-making. While Brexit was a shock to the European art trade, change can bring opportunities. For the U.K., this is an opportunity to conduct a comprehensive cost benefit analysis of these directives and their implications for the future of the British art market, given the countryโs newfound freedom to take decisive action on the outcomes. For countries remaining, like France, there is also an opportunity to perhaps lead Europe in a new direction. The French market has a dynamic and vastly knowledgeable network of galleries, and is already in the process of overhauling its auction sector. A great example of market actorsโ capacity to challenge policy was seen in recent years, when the government tried to increase import VAT on art in 2014 from 7% to 10%. The market rallied together and provided evidence to the government of how raising the tax would actually lead to a large loss in revenue, due to its negative effects on sales. The protestors succeeded not only in getting the hike prevented, but also convinced the government to introduce a new lower rate of 5.5%. This worked because the dealer and auction sector collaborated in presenting one strong voice to government (as has been done by the British Art Market Federation in the U.K. for many years). It also presented an objective economic cost benefit analysis of the policy that looked beyond short-term revenues or emotive arguments, instead looking to the wider economic implications for the market. While the EUโFrance, in particularlyโhas always focused on hierarchical, top-down, command-and-control regulation, the success of both the U.K. and the U.S. in the global art trade seems to indicate that much can be learned from the Anglo-Saxon model, which relies on a framework of laws that protect the interests of participants in the market and allows the freedom to compete. Most economists share the belief that if a market is working efficiently, it should be left alone. A fully-functioning, competitive economy should be able to satisfy consumer preferences optimally without intervention. Governments intervening in the market have the burden of proof of showing where parts of it arenโt working properly, and that, left to its own devices, the outcome will either be inefficient or socially sub-optimal. There are certainly failures in the market for art, from potential failures of competition to the disregard for the many positive externalities the sector creates. There are also morality-based arguments that would suggest a role for the government in ensuring an optimal level of production and access. However, every government intervention has its own costs and consequences, and a full analysis of these is necessary to ensure that Europe does not become a second-tier market, trailing the U.S., China, and the U.K. you can develop? Please
With Brexit approaching, I think this maybe on some peopleโs minds. An interesting read from artsy magazine, offering some insight. For those of us that donโt fully understand the implications, this sums up Brexit and itโs effect on the art market in the uk and Europe. The role of the state has always been somewhat of a double-edged sword in the art market. Governments support a robust art trade by actively promoting supply through funding of the arts, and stimulating private sales and investing through tax and fiscal incentives. The state is also the ultimate protector of the market, regulating trade within and across borders to reduce crime and malpractice, and to ensure that a nationโs cultural heritage is kept intact. However, regulations and taxes can also add layers of costs and red tape to the market, causing disincentives to investment and stymying the healthy flow of transactions, as well as interfering in important cross-cultural exchanges and the production of works of art. These negative effects are not equally distributed between countries, which has had important distributional consequences, with sales concentrating on those centers around the world that have the most liberal regimes. Art is a mobile, durable, and portable asset: Both buyers and vendors can and do use regulatory arbitrage to access the best sales terms, especially as the values of works climb higher. This is yet another reason why global sales have gravitated towards a few key market hubs like the U.S. and U.K., both of which have strongly followed the Anglo-Saxon model of low regulation, competition, and strong private property rights. The U.S. has retained its leading position by a substantial margin in most recent years, accounting for 42% of the value of global sales in 2017, thanks in large part to its favorable regulatory structure for buying and selling art. Meanwhile, the rise of Asia over the last decade or so has been accompanied by a decline in market share in Europe. In 2003, the EU had a 53% share of sales; now, it has just 33%. While there are many reasons for Europeโs decline, one primary factor is the perception that its regulatory structure makes it a costly and complex place in which to transact. Perhaps more worrying, the main reason for Europe still retaining a third of the marketโs value has been that it can still count the U.K., without which it drops to just 13%. Despite many attempts by the EU to level the competitive playing field in the Single Market for art, the U.K. has consistently retained a dominant position, accounting for over 60% of sales by value and being the primary center of international transactions. This has been a consistent picture since the 1960s, when the market moved from Paris to the U.S. and U.K. This relocation was due to the underlying shifts in the established bases of wealth and economic power, but also because of the introduction of a complicated system of taxes and royalties on art sales that drove both buyers and sellers away from France and towards more liberal trading regimes. Wealth and a favorable regulatory environment (buttressed by a robust cultural infrastructure of expertise and institutions) are still two of the key drivers of where global art sales take place. These two determinants are one reason why the U.S., with its high concentration of high-net-worth individuals, as well as a legal and fiscal system that protects buyers and supports sellers, has become a global entrรฉpot market that couples strong domestic trade alongside foreign trade. The latter, in particular, is facilitated by a liberal trading regime for art. Similarly, the dominance of the U.K. in Europe has, to a very large extent, been dependent on successfully competing with global rivals to attract the best works of art for sale. The success of the British market is, therefore, highly vulnerable to fiscal and regulatory changes, which could put it at a disadvantage in an increasingly competitive market. Brexit now provides U.K. and EU policymakers an impetus for regulatory review and potential change. Right now, this is a source of uncertainty within the art trade, particularly with regards to the terms of trade that may emerge between the U.K. and other EU member states, but it is also a golden opportunity for the U.K. to break out of the EUโs top-down mould of regulation and set its own legal regime for the art trade. Brexit will enable the U.K. art trade to propose that several art market-related EU directives be modified or deleted, most notably those centered on imports and exports, as well as on artistsโ resale rights. Currently, the level of import VAT is 5% in the U.K., the lowest rate allowable under EU rules. While it is the lowest in Europe, it compares unfavorably with the U.S. (0%) and China (3%). Coming out of Brexit, the U.K. could enhance its competitive position by lowering the rate or removing import VAT altogether (the latter move would take the U.K. back to the position it was in before 1995, when it was forced to comply with the EU VAT directive). More favorable rates could attract global sales, effectively bypassing Europe altogether. However, if any rate above zero is introduced on intra-EU trade, this will represent a deterioration from the U.K.โs current position as a member of the Single Market for art. Given that the U.K. art market is dominated by extra-EU trade, which accounts for between 80% and 85% of both imports and exports of art by value, this may have a lesser effect on the overall value of U.K. sales, but may affect employment or ancillary business in the U.K., all of which needs to be analyzed and balanced. A silver lining for the remaining EU markets is the opportunity for one country to become the global entry point to the European market. France, being the largest, and already with import VAT of just 5.5%, appears to be the prime contender. The U.K. also currently participates in an artistsโ resale rights (ARR) regime, which was introduced in the EU in 2006 for living artists (and 2012 for artistsโ heirs), imposing royalties in all member states, including countries that had never had resale rights before, such as Ireland, the Netherlands, Austria, and the U.K. Rather than being motivated by the support of artists, the primary intention of the introduction of the ARR was to smooth out distortions of competition within the EU in the Single Market due to the disparities in national laws. But it did so with the disadvantage of leaving all of the member states in an uncompetitive position compared with non-EU markets that have no intention of ever bringing in the legislation, such as the U.S., China, and Switzerland. It has become increasingly clear that the art trade is relatively mobile and will take account of the differing costs of trading in various locations over time. There is a clear incentive for a vendor to relocate a sale if the cost of moving a work of art from one country to another is less than the amount of the royalty payable, and this is very much the case as prices rise. Gathering together current estimates on fees for works costing $50,000 or above, it would indeed be cheaper for a vendor to pack, insure, crate, and export an artwork to New York for sale than it would be for them to sell them in London or Paris with royalty. And it would be cheaper again to sell in nearby Switzerland, which also never had this law in its statute books. While it is yet unclear if the U.K. will be able to fully free itself from the directive, the case of ARR in Europe shows the potentially perverse and negative impact the government can have on the market when the total economic effects of legislation are not included in decision-making. While Brexit was a shock to the European art trade, change can bring opportunities. For the U.K., this is an opportunity to conduct a comprehensive cost benefit analysis of these directives and their implications for the future of the British art market, given the countryโs newfound freedom to take decisive action on the outcomes. For countries remaining, like France, there is also an opportunity to perhaps lead Europe in a new direction. The French market has a dynamic and vastly knowledgeable network of galleries, and is already in the process of overhauling its auction sector. A great example of market actorsโ capacity to challenge policy was seen in recent years, when the government tried to increase import VAT on art in 2014 from 7% to 10%. The market rallied together and provided evidence to the government of how raising the tax would actually lead to a large loss in revenue, due to its negative effects on sales. The protestors succeeded not only in getting the hike prevented, but also convinced the government to introduce a new lower rate of 5.5%. This worked because the dealer and auction sector collaborated in presenting one strong voice to government (as has been done by the British Art Market Federation in the U.K. for many years). It also presented an objective economic cost benefit analysis of the policy that looked beyond short-term revenues or emotive arguments, instead looking to the wider economic implications for the market. While the EUโFrance, in particularlyโhas always focused on hierarchical, top-down, command-and-control regulation, the success of both the U.K. and the U.S. in the global art trade seems to indicate that much can be learned from the Anglo-Saxon model, which relies on a framework of laws that protect the interests of participants in the market and allows the freedom to compete. Most economists share the belief that if a market is working efficiently, it should be left alone. A fully-functioning, competitive economy should be able to satisfy consumer preferences optimally without intervention. Governments intervening in the market have the burden of proof of showing where parts of it arenโt working properly, and that, left to its own devices, the outcome will either be inefficient or socially sub-optimal. There are certainly failures in the market for art, from potential failures of competition to the disregard for the many positive externalities the sector creates. There are also morality-based arguments that would suggest a role for the government in ensuring an optimal level of production and access. However, every government intervention has its own costs and consequences, and a full analysis of these is necessary to ensure that Europe does not become a second-tier market, trailing the U.S., China, and the U.K. you can develop? Please
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by 25127096 on Sept 3, 2018 22:03:28 GMT 1, I think initially it will be bad for the economy as a whole as the pound will most likely drop, but it should rebound over time. But on the flip side, as the pound drops it may entice more overseas purchases as artwork will be less expensive to buy from abroad.
Itโs going to be interesting to watch it play out. Itโs most likely going to be like the vote initially but in the long term Iโm not sure. There is so many scare tactics etc from both sides itโs left a lot of people uncertain, Only time will tell.
I think initially it will be bad for the economy as a whole as the pound will most likely drop, but it should rebound over time. But on the flip side, as the pound drops it may entice more overseas purchases as artwork will be less expensive to buy from abroad. Itโs going to be interesting to watch it play out. Itโs most likely going to be like the vote initially but in the long term Iโm not sure. There is so many scare tactics etc from both sides itโs left a lot of people uncertain, Only time will tell.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by 25127096 on Sept 3, 2018 22:05:07 GMT 1, [/quote]you can develop? Please [/quote] ?
[/quote]you can develop? Please [/quote] ?
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Chris JL on Sept 3, 2018 22:28:09 GMT 1, Bad for the economy = bad for the art market Hence Brexit will be bad for the art market too. Not rocket science (the only short lived departure from this might be a temporary โflight to safetyโ effect if things get very ugly, but thatโs quite unlikely to affect the art market due to its lower liquidity) And as an economist, this article sounds like a load of ideological and misinforming crap.
Bad for the economy = bad for the art market Hence Brexit will be bad for the art market too. Not rocket science (the only short lived departure from this might be a temporary โflight to safetyโ effect if things get very ugly, but thatโs quite unlikely to affect the art market due to its lower liquidity) And as an economist, this article sounds like a load of ideological and misinforming crap.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by 25127096 on Sept 4, 2018 0:04:49 GMT 1, Bad for the economy = bad for the art market Hence Brexit will be bad for the art market too. Not rocket science (the only short lived departure from this might be a temporary โflight to safetyโ effect if things get very ugly, but thatโs quite unlikely to affect the art market due to its lower liquidity) And as an economist, this article sounds like a load of ideological and misinforming crap.
Thanks for the response I was hoping someone of your calibre could shed a little more light. It was a difficult read for me in places. Could the anticipation of Brexit be putting a strain on the market now as people prepare for this? Iโve seen recently on here people talking about the cooling of pricing thatโs going on at the moment? The beginning of last year I enquired about banksy morons and was quoted 4K within 4 months the same image was then being quoted 8.5k. Itโs seemed like banksy price were just going up and up (I understand banksy is not the be all and end all thatโs just an example) Iโm no guru but am definitely interested in understanding the art market more.
Bad for the economy = bad for the art market Hence Brexit will be bad for the art market too. Not rocket science (the only short lived departure from this might be a temporary โflight to safetyโ effect if things get very ugly, but thatโs quite unlikely to affect the art market due to its lower liquidity) And as an economist, this article sounds like a load of ideological and misinforming crap. Thanks for the response I was hoping someone of your calibre could shed a little more light. It was a difficult read for me in places. Could the anticipation of Brexit be putting a strain on the market now as people prepare for this? Iโve seen recently on here people talking about the cooling of pricing thatโs going on at the moment? The beginning of last year I enquired about banksy morons and was quoted 4K within 4 months the same image was then being quoted 8.5k. Itโs seemed like banksy price were just going up and up (I understand banksy is not the be all and end all thatโs just an example) Iโm no guru but am definitely interested in understanding the art market more.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Carl Cashman on Sept 4, 2018 7:02:19 GMT 1, If it costs me more to buy materials, ship to EU show and collectors...plus probably more visas for trips, it's certainly not going to be a good thing.
If it costs me more to buy materials, ship to EU show and collectors...plus probably more visas for trips, it's certainly not going to be a good thing.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by thomasmer on Sept 4, 2018 7:59:36 GMT 1, The rich will get richer after Brexit.
That should answer your question.
The rich will get richer after Brexit.
That should answer your question.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by 25127096 on Sept 4, 2018 8:07:06 GMT 1, If it costs me more to buy materials, ship to EU show and collectors...plus probably more visas for trips, it's certainly not going to be a good thing.
Yeah I hear you mate, I donโt think all round itโs going to be nice. If the uk makes up 20% from the 33% of the European market. Then when we leave, this will position European countries with only 13% of the global market. Import prices for collector will have to increase which is only going to put downward pressure on pricing.
If it costs me more to buy materials, ship to EU show and collectors...plus probably more visas for trips, it's certainly not going to be a good thing. Yeah I hear you mate, I donโt think all round itโs going to be nice. If the uk makes up 20% from the 33% of the European market. Then when we leave, this will position European countries with only 13% of the global market. Import prices for collector will have to increase which is only going to put downward pressure on pricing.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by mojo on Sept 4, 2018 8:17:09 GMT 1, The rich will get richer after Brexit. That should answer your question. Exactly what I was gonna say, .....the working class poor will end up paying for it all with our taxes. It was only ever suggested by Cameron & Co to make the rich richer and easier for the sell off of our assets to foreign investors. Total disaster.
Thankfully my dad was an immigrant so I have the option of a duel passport and the ability to remain a European.
The rich will get richer after Brexit. That should answer your question. Exactly what I was gonna say, .....the working class poor will end up paying for it all with our taxes. It was only ever suggested by Cameron & Co to make the rich richer and easier for the sell off of our assets to foreign investors. Total disaster. Thankfully my dad was an immigrant so I have the option of a duel passport and the ability to remain a European.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 8:30:44 GMT 1, And as an economist, this article sounds like a load of ideological and misinforming crap. Whenever sometimes starts a sentence with 'As an economist' you can swiftly dismiss the rest of that sentence. And I say that as someone with an economics degree.
And as an economist, this article sounds like a load of ideological and misinforming crap. Whenever sometimes starts a sentence with 'As an economist' you can swiftly dismiss the rest of that sentence. And I say that as someone with an economics degree.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 8:36:39 GMT 1, The VAT aspect is interesting. I hope after brexit (assuming it's a hard brexit) we cut all VAT, it's such a stupid regressive form of taxation.
The VAT aspect is interesting. I hope after brexit (assuming it's a hard brexit) we cut all VAT, it's such a stupid regressive form of taxation.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Dive Jedi on Sept 4, 2018 9:33:36 GMT 1, And as an economist, this article sounds like a load of ideological and misinforming crap. Whenever sometimes starts a sentence with 'As an economist' you can swiftly dismiss the rest of that sentence. And I say that as someone with an economics degree. Whenever someone ends a post with "I say that as someone with an economics degree" you can swiftly dismiss everything said previously.
And as an economist, this article sounds like a load of ideological and misinforming crap. Whenever sometimes starts a sentence with 'As an economist' you can swiftly dismiss the rest of that sentence. And I say that as someone with an economics degree. Whenever someone ends a post with "I say that as someone with an economics degree" you can swiftly dismiss everything said previously.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by gd79 on Sept 4, 2018 9:38:58 GMT 1, The rich will get richer after Brexit. That should answer your question.
This sentiment is exactly right IMO. The wider economy is almost entirely meaningless. The art market is driven by a small number of individuals. Almost certainly fewer than you or I can imagine. Everyone else is perfectly irrelevant. Hence the boom in prices as everything else turned to crap a decade ago.
Currency is the only certain thing to play a role. Art is a dollar market. Dollars are getting more expensive, and will continue to do so. For us in the UK, that will mean higher prices. The example above of a banksy Morons is relevant here - the price in dollars is a much smaller change.
I'm afraid it's also true for anyone waiting for the London property crash - newsflash, it's already happened. For a dollar buyer, London property is about 35% cheaper than in 2015. The sterling price of oil has tripled since before the vote - also highly relevant. A banksy morons costs you fewer barrels of oil than 2 years ago..... While a London townhouse has dropped in value by 70% for your typical oil sheikh.
This all matters roughly a million times more than VAT, ARR charges, red tape or the cost of materials.
It doesn't tell you what happens next though. That's where economists run out of answers.
The rich will get richer after Brexit. That should answer your question. This sentiment is exactly right IMO. The wider economy is almost entirely meaningless. The art market is driven by a small number of individuals. Almost certainly fewer than you or I can imagine. Everyone else is perfectly irrelevant. Hence the boom in prices as everything else turned to crap a decade ago. Currency is the only certain thing to play a role. Art is a dollar market. Dollars are getting more expensive, and will continue to do so. For us in the UK, that will mean higher prices. The example above of a banksy Morons is relevant here - the price in dollars is a much smaller change. I'm afraid it's also true for anyone waiting for the London property crash - newsflash, it's already happened. For a dollar buyer, London property is about 35% cheaper than in 2015. The sterling price of oil has tripled since before the vote - also highly relevant. A banksy morons costs you fewer barrels of oil than 2 years ago..... While a London townhouse has dropped in value by 70% for your typical oil sheikh. This all matters roughly a million times more than VAT, ARR charges, red tape or the cost of materials. It doesn't tell you what happens next though. That's where economists run out of answers.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Chris JL on Sept 4, 2018 9:49:07 GMT 1, And as an economist, this article sounds like a load of ideological and misinforming crap. Whenever sometimes starts a sentence with 'As an economist' you can swiftly dismiss the rest of that sentence. And I say that as someone with an economics degree.
Ignorance is bliss - enjoy it.
PS: I really wish just a degree were enough to make an economist: all weak and less gifted student would be thaumaturgically cured by a magic piece of paper. Unfortunately, you prove that this is clearly not the case ๐
And as an economist, this article sounds like a load of ideological and misinforming crap. Whenever sometimes starts a sentence with 'As an economist' you can swiftly dismiss the rest of that sentence. And I say that as someone with an economics degree. Ignorance is bliss - enjoy it. PS: I really wish just a degree were enough to make an economist: all weak and less gifted student would be thaumaturgically cured by a magic piece of paper. Unfortunately, you prove that this is clearly not the case ๐
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 10:07:19 GMT 1, Whenever sometimes starts a sentence with 'As an economist' you can swiftly dismiss the rest of that sentence. And I say that as someone with an economics degree. Ignorance is bliss - enjoy it. PS: I really wish just a degree were enough to make an economist: all weak and less gifted student would be thaumaturgically cured by a magic piece of paper. Unfortunately, you prove that this is clearly not the case ๐ I would never want to claim to be anything as embarrassing as economist!
Whenever sometimes starts a sentence with 'As an economist' you can swiftly dismiss the rest of that sentence. And I say that as someone with an economics degree. Ignorance is bliss - enjoy it. PS: I really wish just a degree were enough to make an economist: all weak and less gifted student would be thaumaturgically cured by a magic piece of paper. Unfortunately, you prove that this is clearly not the case ๐ I would never want to claim to be anything as embarrassing as economist!
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 10:09:11 GMT 1, Whenever sometimes starts a sentence with 'As an economist' you can swiftly dismiss the rest of that sentence. And I say that as someone with an economics degree. Whenever someone ends a post with "I say that as someone with an economics degree" you can swiftly dismiss everything said previously. Couldn't agree more tbf! If I could go back I would have studied something actually useful like maths
Whenever sometimes starts a sentence with 'As an economist' you can swiftly dismiss the rest of that sentence. And I say that as someone with an economics degree. Whenever someone ends a post with "I say that as someone with an economics degree" you can swiftly dismiss everything said previously. Couldn't agree more tbf! If I could go back I would have studied something actually useful like maths
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Chris JL on Sept 4, 2018 10:10:55 GMT 1, Ignorance is bliss - enjoy it. PS: I really wish just a degree were enough to make an economist: all weak and less gifted student would be thaumaturgically cured by a magic piece of paper. Unfortunately, you prove that this is clearly not the case ๐ I would never want to claim to be anything as embarrassing as economist!
Happy to hear. Itโs good for the profession to have quality filters.
Ignorance is bliss - enjoy it. PS: I really wish just a degree were enough to make an economist: all weak and less gifted student would be thaumaturgically cured by a magic piece of paper. Unfortunately, you prove that this is clearly not the case ๐ I would never want to claim to be anything as embarrassing as economist! Happy to hear. Itโs good for the profession to have quality filters.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Deleted on Sept 4, 2018 10:13:33 GMT 1, I would never want to claim to be anything as embarrassing as economist! Happy to hear. Itโs good for the profession to have quality filters. Didn't think you'd take it personally. I admire it to be honest, getting paid to make consistently incorrect predictions is brilliant. Some of us prefer to have skin in the game though, a much better 'quality filter'.
I would never want to claim to be anything as embarrassing as economist! Happy to hear. Itโs good for the profession to have quality filters. Didn't think you'd take it personally. I admire it to be honest, getting paid to make consistently incorrect predictions is brilliant. Some of us prefer to have skin in the game though, a much better 'quality filter'.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Segment on Sept 4, 2018 10:17:14 GMT 1, Chris JL ignorance is not bliss.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by irl1 on Sept 4, 2018 10:58:37 GMT 1, The rich will get richer after Brexit. That should answer your question. That's all you have to say on your 1,000 post , but i do agree with you
The rich will get richer after Brexit. That should answer your question. That's all you have to say on your 1,000 post , but i do agree with you
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by GMA on Sept 4, 2018 11:08:53 GMT 1, I'm just gonna roll with the punches, that's all we can do. Luckily it's only me who will miss out with regards to freedom of movement, my missus and daughter will have access still. Worldwide, well see how it impacts the industry I'm in. Usually if there are redundancies in my sector it means more work for me. Well see. I'm sure the pound will recover in the future and strengthen.
I'm just gonna roll with the punches, that's all we can do. Luckily it's only me who will miss out with regards to freedom of movement, my missus and daughter will have access still. Worldwide, well see how it impacts the industry I'm in. Usually if there are redundancies in my sector it means more work for me. Well see. I'm sure the pound will recover in the future and strengthen.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by 25127096 on Sept 4, 2018 11:22:13 GMT 1, The rich will get richer after Brexit. That should answer your question. This sentiment is exactly right IMO. The wider economy is almost entirely meaningless. The art market is driven by a small number of individuals. Almost certainly fewer than you or I can imagine. Everyone else is perfectly irrelevant. Hence the boom in prices as everything else turned to crap a decade ago. Currency is the only certain thing to play a role. Art is a dollar market. Dollars are getting more expensive, and will continue to do so. For us in the UK, that will mean higher prices. The example above of a banksy Morons is relevant here - the price in dollars is a much smaller change. I'm afraid it's also true for anyone waiting for the London property crash - newsflash, it's already happened. For a dollar buyer, London property is about 35% cheaper than in 2015. The sterling price of oil has tripled since before the vote - also highly relevant. A banksy morons costs you fewer barrels of oil than 2 years ago..... While a London townhouse has dropped in value by 70% for your typical oil sheikh. This all matters roughly a million times more than VAT, ARR charges, red tape or the cost of materials. It doesn't tell you what happens next though. That's where economists run out of answers.
Thank you for the explaination, that makes a lot more sense to me. When you say โsmall amount of individualsโ who are these individuals? And is it there way of protecting wealth by moving there investments out of property into alternative investments such as art, that they can control? Very interested to hear.
The rich will get richer after Brexit. That should answer your question. This sentiment is exactly right IMO. The wider economy is almost entirely meaningless. The art market is driven by a small number of individuals. Almost certainly fewer than you or I can imagine. Everyone else is perfectly irrelevant. Hence the boom in prices as everything else turned to crap a decade ago. Currency is the only certain thing to play a role. Art is a dollar market. Dollars are getting more expensive, and will continue to do so. For us in the UK, that will mean higher prices. The example above of a banksy Morons is relevant here - the price in dollars is a much smaller change. I'm afraid it's also true for anyone waiting for the London property crash - newsflash, it's already happened. For a dollar buyer, London property is about 35% cheaper than in 2015. The sterling price of oil has tripled since before the vote - also highly relevant. A banksy morons costs you fewer barrels of oil than 2 years ago..... While a London townhouse has dropped in value by 70% for your typical oil sheikh. This all matters roughly a million times more than VAT, ARR charges, red tape or the cost of materials. It doesn't tell you what happens next though. That's where economists run out of answers. Thank you for the explaination, that makes a lot more sense to me. When you say โsmall amount of individualsโ who are these individuals? And is it there way of protecting wealth by moving there investments out of property into alternative investments such as art, that they can control? Very interested to hear.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Poster Bob on Sept 4, 2018 11:33:33 GMT 1, This sentiment is exactly right IMO. The wider economy is almost entirely meaningless. The art market is driven by a small number of individuals. Almost certainly fewer than you or I can imagine. Everyone else is perfectly irrelevant. Hence the boom in prices as everything else turned to crap a decade ago. Currency is the only certain thing to play a role. Art is a dollar market. Dollars are getting more expensive, and will continue to do so. For us in the UK, that will mean higher prices. The example above of a banksy Morons is relevant here - the price in dollars is a much smaller change. I'm afraid it's also true for anyone waiting for the London property crash - newsflash, it's already happened. For a dollar buyer, London property is about 35% cheaper than in 2015. The sterling price of oil has tripled since before the vote - also highly relevant. A banksy morons costs you fewer barrels of oil than 2 years ago..... While a London townhouse has dropped in value by 70% for your typical oil sheikh. This all matters roughly a million times more than VAT, ARR charges, red tape or the cost of materials. It doesn't tell you what happens next though. That's where economists run out of answers. Thank you for the explaination, that makes a lot more sense to me. When you say โsmall amount of individualsโ who are these individuals? And is it there way of protecting wealth by moving there investments out of property into alternative investments such as art, that they can control? Very interested to hear. He's obviously talking about the reptilian overlords. Take the red pill. Or, if he's part of Jeremy Corbyn's labour we all know who he means.
This sentiment is exactly right IMO. The wider economy is almost entirely meaningless. The art market is driven by a small number of individuals. Almost certainly fewer than you or I can imagine. Everyone else is perfectly irrelevant. Hence the boom in prices as everything else turned to crap a decade ago. Currency is the only certain thing to play a role. Art is a dollar market. Dollars are getting more expensive, and will continue to do so. For us in the UK, that will mean higher prices. The example above of a banksy Morons is relevant here - the price in dollars is a much smaller change. I'm afraid it's also true for anyone waiting for the London property crash - newsflash, it's already happened. For a dollar buyer, London property is about 35% cheaper than in 2015. The sterling price of oil has tripled since before the vote - also highly relevant. A banksy morons costs you fewer barrels of oil than 2 years ago..... While a London townhouse has dropped in value by 70% for your typical oil sheikh. This all matters roughly a million times more than VAT, ARR charges, red tape or the cost of materials. It doesn't tell you what happens next though. That's where economists run out of answers. Thank you for the explaination, that makes a lot more sense to me. When you say โsmall amount of individualsโ who are these individuals? And is it there way of protecting wealth by moving there investments out of property into alternative investments such as art, that they can control? Very interested to hear. He's obviously talking about the reptilian overlords. Take the red pill. Or, if he's part of Jeremy Corbyn's labour we all know who he means.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by shy on Sept 4, 2018 11:44:46 GMT 1, The VAT aspect is interesting. I hope after brexit (assuming it's a hard brexit) we cut all VAT, it's such a stupid regressive form of taxation. I agree, but fat chance on that... too many expenses to pay and once a tax is in it is in... rarely do taxes go down.
The VAT aspect is interesting. I hope after brexit (assuming it's a hard brexit) we cut all VAT, it's such a stupid regressive form of taxation. I agree, but fat chance on that... too many expenses to pay and once a tax is in it is in... rarely do taxes go down.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Chris JL on Sept 4, 2018 11:50:08 GMT 1, The rich will get richer after Brexit. That should answer your question. This sentiment is exactly right IMO. The wider economy is almost entirely meaningless. The art market is driven by a small number of individuals. Almost certainly fewer than you or I can imagine. Everyone else is perfectly irrelevant. Hence the boom in prices as everything else turned to crap a decade ago. Luxury and durable consumptions (as well as investment) are one of the most pro-cyclical elements in the economy i.e. they go up (down) more than other consumptions in expansions (contractions). And not surprisingly so: in a downturn, it's easier to skip buying a Rolex than skipping buying milk and bread (see e.g. Ait-Sahalia, Parker and Yogo, 2004).
Art is both a luxury and a durable (as well as an investment), so the exposure of this market to the negative effects of Brexit should be quite strong, and probably stronger than the exposure of the economy as a whole.
But note that nobody has good data on the totality of the art market transactions (most data series are just driven by big auction house prices, i.e. a particular market segment), so even ex-post it will be challenging to assess the total effect on this market.
The rich will get richer after Brexit. That should answer your question. This sentiment is exactly right IMO. The wider economy is almost entirely meaningless. The art market is driven by a small number of individuals. Almost certainly fewer than you or I can imagine. Everyone else is perfectly irrelevant. Hence the boom in prices as everything else turned to crap a decade ago. Luxury and durable consumptions (as well as investment) are one of the most pro-cyclical elements in the economy i.e. they go up (down) more than other consumptions in expansions (contractions). And not surprisingly so: in a downturn, it's easier to skip buying a Rolex than skipping buying milk and bread (see e.g. Ait-Sahalia, Parker and Yogo, 2004). Art is both a luxury and a durable (as well as an investment), so the exposure of this market to the negative effects of Brexit should be quite strong, and probably stronger than the exposure of the economy as a whole. But note that nobody has good data on the totality of the art market transactions (most data series are just driven by big auction house prices, i.e. a particular market segment), so even ex-post it will be challenging to assess the total effect on this market.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by 25127096 on Sept 4, 2018 11:54:07 GMT 1, Thank you for the explaination, that makes a lot more sense to me. When you say โsmall amount of individualsโ who are these individuals? And is it there way of protecting wealth by moving there investments out of property into alternative investments such as art, that they can control? Very interested to hear. He's obviously talking about the reptilian overlords. Take the red pill. Or, if he's part of Jeremy Corbyn's labour we all know who he means.
Argh ok, cheers bob.
Thank you for the explaination, that makes a lot more sense to me. When you say โsmall amount of individualsโ who are these individuals? And is it there way of protecting wealth by moving there investments out of property into alternative investments such as art, that they can control? Very interested to hear. He's obviously talking about the reptilian overlords. Take the red pill. Or, if he's part of Jeremy Corbyn's labour we all know who he means. Argh ok, cheers bob.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by Bill Hicks on Sept 4, 2018 11:55:14 GMT 1, The rich will get richer after Brexit. That should answer your question. Exactly what I was gonna say, .....the working class poor will end up paying for it all with our taxes. It was only ever suggested by Cameron & Co to make the rich richer and easier for the sell off of our assets to foreign investors. Total disaster. Thankfully my dad was an immigrant so I have the option of a duel passport and the ability to remain a European.
The rich will get richer after Brexit. That should answer your question. Exactly what I was gonna say, .....the working class poor will end up paying for it all with our taxes. It was only ever suggested by Cameron & Co to make the rich richer and easier for the sell off of our assets to foreign investors. Total disaster. Thankfully my dad was an immigrant so I have the option of a duel passport and the ability to remain a European.
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Brexit positive or negativefor the uk and Europe art market , by shy on Sept 4, 2018 12:03:34 GMT 1, You know Brexit is a bad thing when the Donald LOVES and supports it!
You know Brexit is a bad thing when the Donald LOVES and supports it!
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