Dive Jedi
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by Dive Jedi on Sept 13, 2018 7:36:52 GMT 1, Funny. How can you sue for appropriating work when you stole the work and ideas behind the 'appropriated' work to begin with from a multitude of artists? NEVER happening. NEVER.
Funny. How can you sue for appropriating work when you stole the work and ideas behind the 'appropriated' work to begin with from a multitude of artists? NEVER happening. NEVER. Oh, it will happen.. . . |
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by Peter Bengtsen on Sept 13, 2018 7:49:17 GMT 1, Funny. How can you sue for appropriating work when you stole the work and ideas behind the 'appropriated' work to begin with from a multitude of artists? NEVER happening. NEVER.
 Daniel Tagno (2008)
Funny. How can you sue for appropriating work when you stole the work and ideas behind the 'appropriated' work to begin with from a multitude of artists? NEVER happening. NEVER. Daniel Tagno (2008) |
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Pipes
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by Pipes on Sept 13, 2018 7:59:42 GMT 1, Revok
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cizza19
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by cizza19 on Sept 13, 2018 10:26:57 GMT 1, Coke has to know this so for sure they have a deal in place
Seems likely a lazy designer/ad agency thet Coke have employed used it with a Photoshop filter thinking it was a random spray and not from an artist... hell theres a likelyhood the designer/ad agency aren't even lazy and bought a royalty free photo from someone like getty images and used that as the starting point - not sure how the law operates in this scenario, if an artist has put it on a wall they don't own and it's photographed
either way I wouldn't assume Coke have to know it's an artists work
Coke has to know this so for sure they have a deal in place why would they have to know? Seems likely a lazy designer/ad agency thet Coke have employed used it with a Photoshop filter thinking it was a random spray and not from an artist... hell theres a likelyhood the designer/ad agency aren't even lazy and bought a royalty free photo from someone like getty images and used that as the starting point - not sure how the law operates in this scenario, if an artist has put it on a wall they don't own and it's photographed either way I wouldn't assume Coke have to know it's an artists work |
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by skAcid on Sept 13, 2018 11:30:30 GMT 1, for an artist it is important to choose who to collaborate with. I do not think Coca is a pretty glamorous image to sign a big guy. Coca cola is one of the biggest polluter of the planet (plastic bottles that it can not handle ...) and reports show that it is catastrophic, especially in developing countries If collaboration refers to a bad image, it can hurt your career ... it's a thought  Whatson? the style on 
for an artist it is important to choose who to collaborate with. I do not think Coca is a pretty glamorous image to sign a big guy. Coca cola is one of the biggest polluter of the planet (plastic bottles that it can not handle ...) and reports show that it is catastrophic, especially in developing countries If collaboration refers to a bad image, it can hurt your career ... it's a thought Whatson? the style on |
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by The Rat King on Sept 13, 2018 11:49:52 GMT 1, Agreed itโs just so lazy zzz just design a different figure to pull back the curtain if they are to go with the concept
Agreed itโs just so lazy zzz just design a different figure to pull back the curtain if they are to go with the concept
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thomasmer
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by thomasmer on Sept 13, 2018 12:35:24 GMT 1, Martin is a thief himself; he deserves nothing for this. Have you all forgotten how he stole the image for En Pointe? This in a nut shell. A hack got hacked. Normally Iโd be up in arms with an artist getting ripped off, but since Martin seems to have no issues literally ripping off other artists I have little respect for the guy. That and he does the same tired decorative raffitti scribbling as if he invented tagging. Milk the cow
Martin is a thief himself; he deserves nothing for this. Have you all forgotten how he stole the image for En Pointe? This in a nut shell. A hack got hacked. Normally Iโd be up in arms with an artist getting ripped off, but since Martin seems to have no issues literally ripping off other artists I have little respect for the guy. That and he does the same tired decorative raffitti scribbling as if he invented tagging. Milk the cow You're on a Banksy forum, everything is copied. |
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shy
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by shy on Sept 13, 2018 12:46:36 GMT 1, i don't think they use the word "Copied", the term most preferred is "evolution" LOL 
i don't think they use the word "Copied", the term most preferred is "evolution" LOL |
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by bsimkin on Sept 13, 2018 22:12:49 GMT 1, This in a nut shell. A hack got hacked. Normally Iโd be up in arms with an artist getting ripped off, but since Martin seems to have no issues literally ripping off other artists I have little respect for the guy. That and he does the same tired decorative raffitti scribbling as if he invented tagging. Milk the cow You're on a Banksy forum, everything is copied.
In the wise words of Picasso, 'Good artists copy. Great artists steal.'
Personally, I think Good is an overstatement for Whatson. He's a one trick pony that keeps jumping the shark. I wouldn't hang his hot garbage in my barn.
This in a nut shell. A hack got hacked. Normally Iโd be up in arms with an artist getting ripped off, but since Martin seems to have no issues literally ripping off other artists I have little respect for the guy. That and he does the same tired decorative raffitti scribbling as if he invented tagging. Milk the cow You're on a Banksy forum, everything is copied. In the wise words of Picasso, 'Good artists copy. Great artists steal.' Personally, I think Good is an overstatement for Whatson. He's a one trick pony that keeps jumping the shark. I wouldn't hang his hot garbage in my barn. |
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lot21
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by lot21 on Sept 13, 2018 22:40:50 GMT 1, Yep, Just look at Sheppard Fairly having to pay millions for the unauthorized use of the Obama photo in "HOPE"
Yep, Just look at Sheppard Fairly having to pay millions for the unauthorized use of the Obama photo in "HOPE"
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Hairbland
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by Hairbland on Sept 14, 2018 2:37:51 GMT 1, Yep, Just look at Sheppard Fairly having to pay millions for the unauthorized use of the Obama photo in "HOPE"
Who is this Sheppard Fairly you speak of? Does they make prints?
Yep, Just look at Sheppard Fairly having to pay millions for the unauthorized use of the Obama photo in "HOPE" Who is this Sheppard Fairly you speak of? Does they make prints? |
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by Hairbland on Sept 14, 2018 2:43:15 GMT 1, Yep, Just look at Sheppard Fairly having to pay millions for the unauthorized use of the Obama photo in "HOPE" Who is this Sheppard Fairly you speak of? Does they make prints?
But as to Snackered Fairway, I'd need to see proof that he's paid millions.
Yep, Just look at Sheppard Fairly having to pay millions for the unauthorized use of the Obama photo in "HOPE" Who is this Sheppard Fairly you speak of? Does they make prints? But as to Snackered Fairway, I'd need to see proof that he's paid millions. |
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lot21
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by lot21 on Sept 14, 2018 3:38:12 GMT 1, Yep, Just look at Sheppard Fairly having to pay millions for the unauthorized use of the Obama photo in "HOPE" Who is this Sheppard Fairly you speak of? Does they make prints?
Yep, Just look at Sheppard Fairly having to pay millions for the unauthorized use of the Obama photo in "HOPE" Who is this Sheppard Fairly you speak of? Does they make prints? Hahaha!, i thought it was fairly obvious! |
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met
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by met on Sept 14, 2018 4:52:52 GMT 1, Yep, Just look at Sheppard Fairly having to pay millions for the unauthorized use of the Obama photo in "HOPE"
Shepard Fairey v. The Associated Press is a poor comparison due to the specific circumstances of that civil case.
As previously mentioned here, I believe Fairey's position had been very strong. The HOPE image was in my view sufficiently transformative so as to not constitute improper appropriation of the AP source photo.
Regrettably, Fairey shot himself in the foot when he chose to destroy documents and manufacture false evidence. Once the truth came out, he was left with no leverage in his settlement negotiations with the AP.
Who is this Sheppard Fairly you speak of? Does they make prints? But as to Snackered Fairway, I'd need to see proof that he's paid millions.
Following the 2011 out-of-court settlement with The Associated Press, criminal proceedings were initiated against Fairey for the reasons mentioned above. In 2012, he pleaded guilty to criminal contempt of court.
Court papers in that case disclosed the previously-confidential "additional financial terms" the artist agreed with the AP: Apparently, Fairey had been required to pay the latter $1,600,000 (with an insurance company covering around $450,000 of this amount).
Yep, Just look at Sheppard Fairly having to pay millions for the unauthorized use of the Obama photo in "HOPE" Shepard Fai rey v. The Associated Press is a poor comparison due to the specific circumstances of that civil case. As previously mentioned here, I believe Fai rey's position had been very strong. The HOPE image was in my view sufficiently transformative so as to not constitute improper appropriation of the AP source photo. Regrettably, Fai rey shot himself in the foot when he chose to destroy documents and manufacture false evidence. Once the truth came out, he was left with no leverage in his settlement negotiations with the AP. Who is this Sheppard Fairly you speak of? Does they make prints? But as to Snackered Fairway, I'd need to see proof that he's paid millions. Following the 2011 out-of-court settlement with The Associated Press, criminal proceedings were initiated against Fai rey for the reasons mentioned above. In 2012, he pleaded guilty to criminal contempt of court. Court papers in that case disclosed the previously-confidential "additional financial terms" the artist agreed with the AP: Apparently, Fai rey had been required to pay the latter $1,600,000 (with an insurance company covering around $450,000 of this amount). |
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by Deleted on Sept 14, 2018 12:36:41 GMT 1, it's clearly from the same image. Did whatson use a stock image for his creation or did he create it? Are we sure coke weren't first?
it's clearly from the same image. Did whatson use a stock image for his creation or did he create it? Are we sure coke weren't first?
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by GMA on Sept 14, 2018 13:24:28 GMT 1, it's clearly from the same image. Did whatson use a stock image for his creation or did he create it? Are we sure coke weren't first?
If you have a look on Google images "pulling back curtain" there's some that have the same concept but the execution is different.
it's clearly from the same image. Did whatson use a stock image for his creation or did he create it? Are we sure coke weren't first? If you have a look on Google images "pulling back curtain" there's some that have the same concept but the execution is different. |
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by Con Art Studio on Sept 14, 2018 20:32:29 GMT 1, You're on a Banksy forum, everything is copied. In the wise words of Picasso, 'Good artists copy. Great artists steal.'
quoteinvestigator.com/2013/03/06/artists-steal/
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shy
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by shy on Sept 15, 2018 4:53:15 GMT 1, still sure Coke knows what they are doing- for sure they researched before printing and using this. We are talking about a major Blue chip corp!
still sure Coke knows what they are doing- for sure they researched before printing and using this. We are talking about a major Blue chip corp!
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Chris JL
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by Chris JL on Sept 15, 2018 9:04:44 GMT 1, MW needs to lawyer up seriously, and coke will be very sorry... somebody really f-ed up over there.
Good for MW tbh - if played well, this will bring him both a lot of cash and publicity. How it will go is basically a test of how well the guy is managed.
MW needs to lawyer up seriously, and coke will be very sorry... somebody really f-ed up over there.
Good for MW tbh - if played well, this will bring him both a lot of cash and publicity. How it will go is basically a test of how well the guy is managed.
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shy
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by shy on Sept 15, 2018 9:46:26 GMT 1, very true, but a lawsuit against Coke will take deep pockets
very true, but a lawsuit against Coke will take deep pockets
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by .dappy on Sept 15, 2018 9:48:09 GMT 1, very true, but a lawsuit against Coke will take deep pockets
... please stop ...
very true, but a lawsuit against Coke will take deep pockets ... please stop ... |
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by Lroy on Sept 15, 2018 10:26:59 GMT 1, This in a nut shell. A hack got hacked. Normally Iโd be up in arms with an artist getting ripped off, but since Martin seems to have no issues literally ripping off other artists I have little respect for the guy. That and he does the same tired decorative raffitti scribbling as if he invented tagging. Milk the cow You're on a Banksy forum, everything is copied.
Martin Whatson ( I have nothing against him - looks friendly - apart redundancy, procede ( batch of colors in a grey character ) , copying, etc... ) or not, I like this can ! and I dont care too...
All The difference is a matter of talent, in the nuances of colors, the painting itselves very classy ! Whatson copied Banksy ( as a lot ) but made prints in " decorating style to nail up the leather sofa in the living room " , with glaring colors, a little bit vulgar, etc ... Banksy posed his prince's claw, is the first and the only one. Just made this little montage quickly...
This in a nut shell. A hack got hacked. Normally Iโd be up in arms with an artist getting ripped off, but since Martin seems to have no issues literally ripping off other artists I have little respect for the guy. That and he does the same tired decorative raffitti scribbling as if he invented tagging. Milk the cow You're on a Banksy forum, everything is copied. Martin Whatson ( I have nothing against him - looks friendly - apart redundancy, procede ( batch of colors in a grey character ) , copying, etc... ) or not, I like this can ! and I dont care too... All The difference is a matter of talent, in the nuances of colors, the painting itselves very classy ! Whatson copied Banksy ( as a lot ) but made prints in " decorating style to nail up the leather sofa in the living room " , with glaring colors, a little bit vulgar, etc ... Banksy posed his prince's claw, is the first and the only one. Just made this little montage quickly...
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Chris JL
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by Chris JL on Sept 15, 2018 12:16:03 GMT 1, You're on a Banksy forum, everything is copied. Martin Whatson ( I have nothing against him - looks friendly - apart redundancy, procede ( batch of colors in a grey character ) , copying, etc... ) or not, I like this can ! and I dont care too... All The difference is a matter of talent, in the nuances of colors, the painting itselves very classy ! Whatson copied Banksy ( as a lot ) but made prints in " decorating style to nail up the leather sofa in the living room " , with glaring colors, a little bit vulgar, etc ... Banksy posed his prince's claw, is the first and the only one. Just made this little montage quickly...
That sort of borrowing looks totally fine to me, and in line with the last many thousand years of art (in all of its forms). Art feeds on itself, and thatโs normal. In a sense, all art is derivative. Most of the visual ideas that made Caravaggio a master were actually borrowed...
But a weakness arises when the derivative product is less interesting than what it derives from. I.e., the problem is that MW ainโt a Caravaggio ๐
You're on a Banksy forum, everything is copied. Martin Whatson ( I have nothing against him - looks friendly - apart redundancy, procede ( batch of colors in a grey character ) , copying, etc... ) or not, I like this can ! and I dont care too... All The difference is a matter of talent, in the nuances of colors, the painting itselves very classy ! Whatson copied Banksy ( as a lot ) but made prints in " decorating style to nail up the leather sofa in the living room " , with glaring colors, a little bit vulgar, etc ... Banksy posed his prince's claw, is the first and the only one. Just made this little montage quickly...
That sort of borrowing looks totally fine to me, and in line with the last many thousand years of art (in all of its forms). Art feeds on itself, and thatโs normal. In a sense, all art is derivative. Most of the visual ideas that made Caravaggio a master were actually borrowed... But a weakness arises when the derivative product is less interesting than what it derives from. I.e., the problem is that MW ainโt a Caravaggio ๐ |
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by Lroy on Sept 15, 2018 12:24:21 GMT 1, Wise comment Chris JL 
Thanks
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thomasmer
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by thomasmer on Sept 15, 2018 15:43:20 GMT 1, You're on a Banksy forum, everything is copied. Martin Whatson ( I have nothing against him - looks friendly - apart redundancy, procede ( batch of colors in a grey character ) , copying, etc... ) or not, I like this can ! and I dont care too... All The difference is a matter of talent, in the nuances of colors, the painting itselves very classy ! Whatson copied Banksy ( as a lot ) but made prints in " decorating style to nail up the leather sofa in the living room " , with glaring colors, a little bit vulgar, etc ... Banksy posed his prince's claw, is the first and the only one. Just made this little montage quickly...
Banksy rips people off to the same level or higher, he just does it slightly better.
You're on a Banksy forum, everything is copied. Martin Whatson ( I have nothing against him - looks friendly - apart redundancy, procede ( batch of colors in a grey character ) , copying, etc... ) or not, I like this can ! and I dont care too... All The difference is a matter of talent, in the nuances of colors, the painting itselves very classy ! Whatson copied Banksy ( as a lot ) but made prints in " decorating style to nail up the leather sofa in the living room " , with glaring colors, a little bit vulgar, etc ... Banksy posed his prince's claw, is the first and the only one. Just made this little montage quickly...
Banksy rips people off to the same level or higher, he just does it slightly better.
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by Deleted on Sept 15, 2018 15:52:01 GMT 1, Martin Whatson ( I have nothing against him - looks friendly - apart redundancy, procede ( batch of colors in a grey character ) , copying, etc... ) or not, I like this can ! and I dont care too... All The difference is a matter of talent, in the nuances of colors, the painting itselves very classy ! Whatson copied Banksy ( as a lot ) but made prints in " decorating style to nail up the leather sofa in the living room " , with glaring colors, a little bit vulgar, etc ... Banksy posed his prince's claw, is the first and the only one. Just made this little montage quickly...
Banksy rips people off to the same level or higher, he just does it slightly better.
You're right of course
Is there any artist around thats art isn't a derivative or copy of someone else's?
Martin Whatson ( I have nothing against him - looks friendly - apart redundancy, procede ( batch of colors in a grey character ) , copying, etc... ) or not, I like this can ! and I dont care too... All The difference is a matter of talent, in the nuances of colors, the painting itselves very classy ! Whatson copied Banksy ( as a lot ) but made prints in " decorating style to nail up the leather sofa in the living room " , with glaring colors, a little bit vulgar, etc ... Banksy posed his prince's claw, is the first and the only one. Just made this little montage quickly...
Banksy rips people off to the same level or higher, he just does it slightly better.
You're right of course Is there any artist around thats art isn't a derivative or copy of someone else's? |
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thomasmer
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by thomasmer on Sept 15, 2018 17:29:26 GMT 1,
Banksy rips people off to the same level or higher, he just does it slightly better.
You're right of course Is there any artist around thats art isn't a derivative or copy of someone else's?
Banksy rips people off to the same level or higher, he just does it slightly better.
You're right of course Is there any artist around thats art isn't a derivative or copy of someone else's? Quite a lot, but street art is a rampant offender. |
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shy
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by shy on Sept 15, 2018 19:27:06 GMT 1, very true thomasmer!
Every idea whether in literature or art comes from something else... it evolves or in some cases ideas are stolen and reworked or changed even if ever so small!
very true thomasmer!
Every idea whether in literature or art comes from something else... it evolves or in some cases ideas are stolen and reworked or changed even if ever so small!
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Coke Zero Martin Whatson rip-off?, by Hairbland on Sept 15, 2018 21:58:50 GMT 1, You're right of course Is there any artist around thats art isn't a derivative or copy of someone else's?ย Quite a lot, but street art is a rampant offender.
maybe because many have no knowledge of art history, and come from a background of graphic design where nicking is part of the job.
You're right of course Is there any artist around thats art isn't a derivative or copy of someone else's?ย Quite a lot, but street art is a rampant offender. maybe because many have no knowledge of art history, and come from a background of graphic design where nicking is part of the job. |
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