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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by coller on May 31, 2019 14:30:43 GMT 1, It took awhile for me to figure out that this forum is just for people and their many alts to generate income and prop up investments by bringing up old topics and expressing false interest to purchase prints they already have, in order to keep the artist in the fore. Has it always been like this?
A fun observation: expressing negativity towards a print or artist, quickly smokes out those who have an interest. This forum has always been about flipping. 
It took awhile for me to figure out that this forum is just for people and their many alts to generate income and prop up investments by bringing up old topics and expressing false interest to purchase prints they already have, in order to keep the artist in the fore. Has it always been like this?
A fun observation: expressing negativity towards a print or artist, quickly smokes out those who have an interest. This forum has always been about flipping. member since october 2018 |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by cest on May 31, 2019 14:52:31 GMT 1, This forum has always been about flipping. member since october 2018ย
Not like you cant read old posts
This forum has always been about flipping. member since october 2018ย Not like you cant read old posts |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by 19818914 on May 31, 2019 15:29:39 GMT 1, This forum has always been about flipping. member since october 2018
Iโve been on this forum for even longer than this newsletter I received in 2012. It has always been about selling prints over cost. 
This forum has always been about flipping. member since october 2018 Iโve been on this forum for even longer than this newsletter I received in 2012. It has always been about selling prints over cost. |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by Deleted on May 31, 2019 15:30:23 GMT 1, Many of us have been on this forum for years before becoming an actual member and some were members for years and decided just to log off.
This site has been a site for flipping for YEARS. Don't fool anyone.
I have seen the same groups of people/collector teams over and over hype the Sh*t out of unknown young (cough cough Pejac and Oli Epp) artist to make sure their investment had potential on this site. Nobody is fooling anyone. This site is filled with wealthy enough art collectors to help establish an artist career. Galleries and fan boys know this and use it.
Street Art like Grunge or Rock Music is DEAD. Sorry it is.
Especially in the US or Europe. With the laws and new technology preventing street art.... Also now most Street Art, in the US at least, is just sponsored by massive real estate groups and developers to help sell apartments and real estate. This is a fact. Most of the stuff now done in major cities are backed with massive financial groups, who rip off the artist pay (they pay them very poorly), and just use the art to sell the area. World Trade Center, Jersey City and even Bushwick/Williamsburg in Brooklyn is a prime example of this filth. All these site are done by massive real estate groups now for selling apartments. To me there is no difference now between a "street" artist and a paid muralist who does advertisement for massive brands on city walls.
As for many of these "street" artist they are become stale themselves. They really have.
You are now seeing them try and become gallery artist as well... it's not working for most. I'm noticing more and more that a lot of these guys are one trick ponies. Harsh yes, but true. They keep doing the same art over and over and over. That's fine in Street Art but if you are trying to do galleries and get more into the fine art space, which they are no doubt doing, they need to accomplish more that their one style.
Tristan Eaton, Hush, Martin Watson, Paul Insect are all broken records who need to do more and not the same. They are accomplished and extremely talented street artists, but they decided to go to galleries, no one forced them to, and if so... they need to do more.
I can't wait to hear the sh*t talk from this post.
Many of us have been on this forum for years before becoming an actual member and some were members for years and decided just to log off.
This site has been a site for flipping for YEARS. Don't fool anyone.
I have seen the same groups of people/collector teams over and over hype the Sh*t out of unknown young (cough cough Pejac and Oli Epp) artist to make sure their investment had potential on this site. Nobody is fooling anyone. This site is filled with wealthy enough art collectors to help establish an artist career. Galleries and fan boys know this and use it.
Street Art like Grunge or Rock Music is DEAD. Sorry it is.
Especially in the US or Europe. With the laws and new technology preventing street art.... Also now most Street Art, in the US at least, is just sponsored by massive real estate groups and developers to help sell apartments and real estate. This is a fact. Most of the stuff now done in major cities are backed with massive financial groups, who rip off the artist pay (they pay them very poorly), and just use the art to sell the area. World Trade Center, Jersey City and even Bushwick/Williamsburg in Brooklyn is a prime example of this filth. All these site are done by massive real estate groups now for selling apartments. To me there is no difference now between a "street" artist and a paid muralist who does advertisement for massive brands on city walls.
As for many of these "street" artist they are become stale themselves. They really have.
You are now seeing them try and become gallery artist as well... it's not working for most. I'm noticing more and more that a lot of these guys are one trick ponies. Harsh yes, but true. They keep doing the same art over and over and over. That's fine in Street Art but if you are trying to do galleries and get more into the fine art space, which they are no doubt doing, they need to accomplish more that their one style.
Tristan Eaton, Hush, Martin Watson, Paul Insect are all broken records who need to do more and not the same. They are accomplished and extremely talented street artists, but they decided to go to galleries, no one forced them to, and if so... they need to do more.
I can't wait to hear the sh*t talk from this post.
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by Coach on May 31, 2019 16:03:42 GMT 1, Many of us have been on this forum for years before becoming an actual member and some were members for years and decided just to log off. This site has been a site for flipping for YEARS. Don't fool anyone. I have seen the same groups of people/collector teams over and over hype the Sh*t out of unknown young (cough cough Pejac and Oli Epp) artist to make sure their investment had potential on this site. Nobody is fooling anyone. This site is filled with wealthy enough art collectors to help establish an artist career. Galleries and fan boys know this and use it.ย Street Art like Grunge or Rock Music is DEAD. Sorry it is. Especially in the US or Europe. With the laws and new technology preventing street art.... Also now most Street Art, in the US at least, is just sponsored by massive real estate groups and developers to help sell apartments and real estate. This is a fact. Most of the stuff now done in major cities are backed with massive financial groups, who rip off the artist pay (they pay them very poorly), and just use the art to sell the area. World Trade Center, Jersey City and even Bushwick/Williamsburg in Brooklyn is a prime example of this filth. All these site are done by massive real estate groups now for selling apartments. To me there is no difference now between a "street" artist and a paid muralist who does advertisement for massive brands on city walls.ย As for many of these "street" artist they are become stale themselves. They really have.ย You are now seeing them try and become gallery artist as well... it's not working for most. I'm noticing more and more that a lot of these guys are one trick ponies. Harsh yes, but true. They keep doing the same art over and over and over. That's fine in Street Art but if you are trying to do galleries and get more into the fine art space, which they are no doubt doing, they need to accomplish more that their one style. Tristan Eaton, Hush, Martin Watson, Paul Insect are all broken records who need to do more and not the same. They are accomplished and extremely talented street artists, but they decided to go to galleries, no one forced them to, and if so... they need to do more. I can't wait to hear the sh*t talk from this post.
Just a couple of thoughts, hopefully not shit talk, as you mention.
Thereโs still plenty of street art, writing, tagging and the like going on. Iโm talking about the UK, I donโt know about America. Maybe the areas have changed, as some areas themselves change due to gentrification. But itโs still there.
I can understand an artistโs wish to move their work in to a gallery. It gives them the opportunity to put food on their plate doing what they enjoy. Good luck to them.
I can understand an artist repeating work that has been successful in the past. Bills to pay. But I agree that eventually it can become stale and the artist would do well to develop their work.
I also agree with you that there are members here who try (and succeed) to manipulate. I think itโs often quite obvious and can be ignored. Iโm more concerned about the subtle manipulation which I donโt know about (known unknowns!).
Many of us have been on this forum for years before becoming an actual member and some were members for years and decided just to log off. This site has been a site for flipping for YEARS. Don't fool anyone. I have seen the same groups of people/collector teams over and over hype the Sh*t out of unknown young (cough cough Pejac and Oli Epp) artist to make sure their investment had potential on this site. Nobody is fooling anyone. This site is filled with wealthy enough art collectors to help establish an artist career. Galleries and fan boys know this and use it.ย Street Art like Grunge or Rock Music is DEAD. Sorry it is. Especially in the US or Europe. With the laws and new technology preventing street art.... Also now most Street Art, in the US at least, is just sponsored by massive real estate groups and developers to help sell apartments and real estate. This is a fact. Most of the stuff now done in major cities are backed with massive financial groups, who rip off the artist pay (they pay them very poorly), and just use the art to sell the area. World Trade Center, Jersey City and even Bushwick/Williamsburg in Brooklyn is a prime example of this filth. All these site are done by massive real estate groups now for selling apartments. To me there is no difference now between a "street" artist and a paid muralist who does advertisement for massive brands on city walls.ย As for many of these "street" artist they are become stale themselves. They really have.ย You are now seeing them try and become gallery artist as well... it's not working for most. I'm noticing more and more that a lot of these guys are one trick ponies. Harsh yes, but true. They keep doing the same art over and over and over. That's fine in Street Art but if you are trying to do galleries and get more into the fine art space, which they are no doubt doing, they need to accomplish more that their one style. Tristan Eaton, Hush, Martin Watson, Paul Insect are all broken records who need to do more and not the same. They are accomplished and extremely talented street artists, but they decided to go to galleries, no one forced them to, and if so... they need to do more. I can't wait to hear the sh*t talk from this post. Just a couple of thoughts, hopefully not shit talk, as you mention. Thereโs still plenty of street art, writing, tagging and the like going on. Iโm talking about the UK, I donโt know about America. Maybe the areas have changed, as some areas themselves change due to gentrification. But itโs still there. I can understand an artistโs wish to move their work in to a gallery. It gives them the opportunity to put food on their plate doing what they enjoy. Good luck to them. I can understand an artist repeating work that has been successful in the past. Bills to pay. But I agree that eventually it can become stale and the artist would do well to develop their work. I also agree with you that there are members here who try (and succeed) to manipulate. I think itโs often quite obvious and can be ignored. Iโm more concerned about the subtle manipulation which I donโt know about (known unknowns!). |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by coller on May 31, 2019 17:29:58 GMT 1, i think most ppl on here who are trying to manipulate are hilariously transparent and wasting their time
i think most ppl on here who are trying to manipulate are hilariously transparent and wasting their time
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by Coach on May 31, 2019 17:36:28 GMT 1, i think most ppl on here who are trying to manipulate are hilariously transparent and wasting their time
Therein lies one of my points.
It is possible that there are some that are very good at it, and we donโt know that itโs happening. Because they are good at it.
i think most ppl on here who are trying to manipulate are hilariously transparent and wasting their time Therein lies one of my points. It is possible that there are some that are very good at it, and we donโt know that itโs happening. Because they are good at it. |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by coller on May 31, 2019 18:33:54 GMT 1, i think most ppl on here who are trying to manipulate are hilariously transparent and wasting their time Therein lies one of my points. It is possible that there are some that are very good at it, and we donโt know that itโs happening. Because they are good at it.
i think most ppl on here who are trying to manipulate are hilariously transparent and wasting their time Therein lies one of my points. It is possible that there are some that are very good at it, and we donโt know that itโs happening. Because they are good at it. i think it also depends on what constitutes manipulation, as most marketing could be viewed as manipulation. i do think certain artists like jonas wood/kaws are gaining more attention due to their print releases, but i don't think any new mention of those artists should be automatically chalked to flippers/market speculators/manipulators. i personally was not aware of jonas wood until the counter editions release; work is killing my art life. |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by chevyav53 on May 31, 2019 22:56:51 GMT 1, Many of us have been on this forum for years before becoming an actual member and some were members for years and decided just to log off. This site has been a site for flipping for YEARS. Don't fool anyone. I have seen the same groups of people/collector teams over and over hype the Sh*t out of unknown young (cough cough Pejac and Oli Epp) artist to make sure their investment had potential on this site. Nobody is fooling anyone. This site is filled with wealthy enough art collectors to help establish an artist career. Galleries and fan boys know this and use it. Street Art like Grunge or Rock Music is DEAD. Sorry it is. Especially in the US or Europe. With the laws and new technology preventing street art.... Also now most Street Art, in the US at least, is just sponsored by massive real estate groups and developers to help sell apartments and real estate. This is a fact. Most of the stuff now done in major cities are backed with massive financial groups, who rip off the artist pay (they pay them very poorly), and just use the art to sell the area. World Trade Center, Jersey City and even Bushwick/Williamsburg in Brooklyn is a prime example of this filth. All these site are done by massive real estate groups now for selling apartments. To me there is no difference now between a "street" artist and a paid muralist who does advertisement for massive brands on city walls. As for many of these "street" artist they are become stale themselves. They really have. You are now seeing them try and become gallery artist as well... it's not working for most. I'm noticing more and more that a lot of these guys are one trick ponies. Harsh yes, but true. They keep doing the same art over and over and over. That's fine in Street Art but if you are trying to do galleries and get more into the fine art space, which they are no doubt doing, they need to accomplish more that their one style. Tristan Eaton, Hush, Martin Watson, Paul Insect are all broken records who need to do more and not the same. They are accomplished and extremely talented street artists, but they decided to go to galleries, no one forced them to, and if so... they need to do more. I can't wait to hear the sh*t talk from this post. 
Many of us have been on this forum for years before becoming an actual member and some were members for years and decided just to log off. This site has been a site for flipping for YEARS. Don't fool anyone. I have seen the same groups of people/collector teams over and over hype the Sh*t out of unknown young (cough cough Pejac and Oli Epp) artist to make sure their investment had potential on this site. Nobody is fooling anyone. This site is filled with wealthy enough art collectors to help establish an artist career. Galleries and fan boys know this and use it. Street Art like Grunge or Rock Music is DEAD. Sorry it is. Especially in the US or Europe. With the laws and new technology preventing street art.... Also now most Street Art, in the US at least, is just sponsored by massive real estate groups and developers to help sell apartments and real estate. This is a fact. Most of the stuff now done in major cities are backed with massive financial groups, who rip off the artist pay (they pay them very poorly), and just use the art to sell the area. World Trade Center, Jersey City and even Bushwick/Williamsburg in Brooklyn is a prime example of this filth. All these site are done by massive real estate groups now for selling apartments. To me there is no difference now between a "street" artist and a paid muralist who does advertisement for massive brands on city walls. As for many of these "street" artist they are become stale themselves. They really have. You are now seeing them try and become gallery artist as well... it's not working for most. I'm noticing more and more that a lot of these guys are one trick ponies. Harsh yes, but true. They keep doing the same art over and over and over. That's fine in Street Art but if you are trying to do galleries and get more into the fine art space, which they are no doubt doing, they need to accomplish more that their one style. Tristan Eaton, Hush, Martin Watson, Paul Insect are all broken records who need to do more and not the same. They are accomplished and extremely talented street artists, but they decided to go to galleries, no one forced them to, and if so... they need to do more. I can't wait to hear the sh*t talk from this post. I do miss the days of Nirvana, Soundgarden and STP |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by clueless on Jun 1, 2019 4:30:26 GMT 1, Anyone have an idea on what these are "worth" at the moment even though it is so soon? Hoping to get a valuation to throw out in for trades.
Anyone have an idea on what these are "worth" at the moment even though it is so soon? Hoping to get a valuation to throw out in for trades.
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by Meskell on Jun 1, 2019 5:02:46 GMT 1, Anyone have an idea on what these are "worth" at the moment even though it is so soon? Hoping to get a valuation to throw out in for trades.
Do you have an X, gash, peen or cheek?
Anyone have an idea on what these are "worth" at the moment even though it is so soon? Hoping to get a valuation to throw out in for trades. Do you have an X, gash, peen or cheek? |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by clueless on Jun 1, 2019 5:09:31 GMT 1, Anyone have an idea on what these are "worth" at the moment even though it is so soon? Hoping to get a valuation to throw out in for trades. Do you have an X, gash, peen or cheek?
Anyone have an idea on what these are "worth" at the moment even though it is so soon? Hoping to get a valuation to throw out in for trades. Do you have an X, gash, peen or cheek? It's either an ass check or a tongue.... Idk |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by clueless on Jun 1, 2019 5:11:09 GMT 1, Hmm, after looking back a couple pages. Someone said one just like mine sold for between 4-5k usd.
Hmm, after looking back a couple pages. Someone said one just like mine sold for between 4-5k usd.
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 7:15:28 GMT 1, Anyone have an idea on what these are "worth" at the moment even though it is so soon? Hoping to get a valuation to throw out in for trades. Do you have an X, gash, peen or cheek?
Iโm sure the one that was pulled from eBay sold for far more than itโs current auction with days to go. I also know of an excellent version X that sold for 8k euro private.
Anyone have an idea on what these are "worth" at the moment even though it is so soon? Hoping to get a valuation to throw out in for trades. Do you have an X, gash, peen or cheek? Iโm sure the one that was pulled from eBay sold for far more than itโs current auction with days to go. I also know of an excellent version X that sold for 8k euro private. |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by bjoern on Jun 1, 2019 8:30:42 GMT 1, cCan witness another private sale of a very good one for 7500โฌ.
cCan witness another private sale of a very good one for 7500โฌ.
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by roadone on Jun 1, 2019 8:40:49 GMT 1, I really donโt understand it but people are paying around 6.5-8.5k for the nice ones ๐ต
I really donโt understand it but people are paying around 6.5-8.5k for the nice ones ๐ต
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by howies on Jun 1, 2019 9:19:55 GMT 1, I don't get it if that 1/6 off an original print are the full-size originals now worth 30-40K???
I don't get it if that 1/6 off an original print are the full-size originals now worth 30-40K???
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by Forbidden Love on Jun 1, 2019 9:41:13 GMT 1, Anyone know if they have received the one they advertised. The two eyes and nose. Mine is with my bro unopened so keeping my fingers crossed.
Anyone know if they have received the one they advertised. The two eyes and nose. Mine is with my bro unopened so keeping my fingers crossed.
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by Art! on Jun 1, 2019 12:43:08 GMT 1, I don't get it if that 1/6 off an original print are the full-size originals now worth 30-40K???
Have to be.
I don't get it if that 1/6 off an original print are the full-size originals now worth 30-40K??? Have to be. |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by djvlnt on Jun 1, 2019 15:42:14 GMT 1, Anyone know if they have received the one they advertised. The two eyes and nose. Mine is with my bro unopened so keeping my fingers crossed.
Yes. I helped a friend buying one and he got one of the advertised ones.
Anyone know if they have received the one they advertised. The two eyes and nose. Mine is with my bro unopened so keeping my fingers crossed. Yes. I helped a friend buying one and he got one of the advertised ones. |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by Always on Tour on Jun 1, 2019 20:34:38 GMT 1, For those speculating a 7-8k purchase means the larger ones will go to 30-40k... I understand that logic, but let me offer alternative thought... I think this art craze, that really started with Banksy, has drawn a large group into the โhobbyโ. I think a majority of those would like a big name player on their walls ie: Banksy, KAWS, Etc... most of the newcomers or been round awhiles fall into the category of willing to spend a couple hundred bucks to 1k, and some a little more. Itโs this group that I think are chasing the prices up to their ceiling. The next group are the mix of people that can afford one 10k print or smaller collector that sells and consolidates to 1 or 2 nice pieces.
The Collector in the 30k print market is typically a person that can afford multiple pieces at this price and I think is more discerning of what is driving the price and what quality to expect. I also think the second group is in it for longer, looking to hold the piece for 5-10 years minimum.
Long story short, lots of people can come up with 5k. But the list gets thinned when your talking about 30-50k.
Someone here talked about 1k becoming the new $200 print, I think there is a lot of truth to that...
For those speculating a 7-8k purchase means the larger ones will go to 30-40k... I understand that logic, but let me offer alternative thought... I think this art craze, that really started with Banksy, has drawn a large group into the โhobbyโ. I think a majority of those would like a big name player on their walls ie: Banksy, KAWS, Etc... most of the newcomers or been round awhiles fall into the category of willing to spend a couple hundred bucks to 1k, and some a little more. Itโs this group that I think are chasing the prices up to their ceiling. The next group are the mix of people that can afford one 10k print or smaller collector that sells and consolidates to 1 or 2 nice pieces.
The Collector in the 30k print market is typically a person that can afford multiple pieces at this price and I think is more discerning of what is driving the price and what quality to expect. I also think the second group is in it for longer, looking to hold the piece for 5-10 years minimum.
Long story short, lots of people can come up with 5k. But the list gets thinned when your talking about 30-50k.
Someone here talked about 1k becoming the new $200 print, I think there is a lot of truth to that...
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by orchid on Jun 1, 2019 21:29:22 GMT 1, No one is speculating apart from user keefharing and his posts containing all these 'private sales' to bolster whatever he owns. These are 4-5 based on genuine open bids on ebay.
No one is speculating apart from user keefharing and his posts containing all these 'private sales' to bolster whatever he owns. These are 4-5 based on genuine open bids on ebay.
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 21:33:23 GMT 1, No one is speculating apart from user keefharing and his posts containing all these 'private sales' to bolster whatever he owns. These are 4-5 based on genuine open bids on ebay.
One Nick Walker print for sale. โฌ15k
No one is speculating apart from user keefharing and his posts containing all these 'private sales' to bolster whatever he owns. These are 4-5 based on genuine open bids on ebay. One Nick Walker print for sale. โฌ15k |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 21:34:39 GMT 1, No one is speculating apart from user keefharing and his posts containing all these 'private sales' to bolster whatever he owns. These are 4-5 based on genuine open bids on ebay. One Nick Walker print for sale. โฌ15k
Sold!
No one is speculating apart from user keefharing and his posts containing all these 'private sales' to bolster whatever he owns. These are 4-5 based on genuine open bids on ebay. One Nick Walker print for sale. โฌ15k Sold! |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 21:35:50 GMT 1, No one is speculating apart from user keefharing and his posts containing all these 'private sales' to bolster whatever he owns. These are 4-5 based on genuine open bids on ebay.
Not speculating. Can assure you itโs true. But..whatever
No one is speculating apart from user keefharing and his posts containing all these 'private sales' to bolster whatever he owns. These are 4-5 based on genuine open bids on ebay. Not speculating. Can assure you itโs true. But..whatever |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 21:41:53 GMT 1, The more I speak to people who are working for major auction houses, the more they keep saying this market cannot sustain itself for much longer. There is a reason why they call them "record breakers" and it's happening right now in many auction houses. This will not continue forever.
Stocks and Real Estate in major parts in America, Asia and parts of Europe have be stalling after a massive 10 year boom. Art is always the last market to follow. I would not be surprised if there is a massive correction in the next 2-3 years in the art market or even sooner. You will and should see a market correction even in art.
It's clear as day that the artists, auction houses, galleries and managers are all pushing as much as they can and for as much as they can right now knowing this the golden era and it won't last forever. I think the prime examples Shepard's 30 Large Format prints of old released images (yes he's using the excuse it's his 30 anniversary) at $900 each. Or what manifold is charging now for a Harland Miller print with pretty colors; $17,000.
Probably the smartest thing is to sell right now like Nigo or even the Koons owner did and have cash for when the correction occurs. There is a reason why some of the biggest collectors are selling right now. These collectors know the art market and have done well for decades. They will again be the collectors who buy the best pieces - in cash - during the next market correction.
The more I speak to people who are working for major auction houses, the more they keep saying this market cannot sustain itself for much longer. There is a reason why they call them "record breakers" and it's happening right now in many auction houses. This will not continue forever.
Stocks and Real Estate in major parts in America, Asia and parts of Europe have be stalling after a massive 10 year boom. Art is always the last market to follow. I would not be surprised if there is a massive correction in the next 2-3 years in the art market or even sooner. You will and should see a market correction even in art.
It's clear as day that the artists, auction houses, galleries and managers are all pushing as much as they can and for as much as they can right now knowing this the golden era and it won't last forever. I think the prime examples Shepard's 30 Large Format prints of old released images (yes he's using the excuse it's his 30 anniversary) at $900 each. Or what manifold is charging now for a Harland Miller print with pretty colors; $17,000.
Probably the smartest thing is to sell right now like Nigo or even the Koons owner did and have cash for when the correction occurs. There is a reason why some of the biggest collectors are selling right now. These collectors know the art market and have done well for decades. They will again be the collectors who buy the best pieces - in cash - during the next market correction.
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by Deleted on Jun 1, 2019 22:10:01 GMT 1, The more I speak to people who are working for major auction houses, the more they keep saying this market cannot sustain itself for much longer. There is a reason why they call them "record breakers" and it's happening right now in many auction houses. This will not continue forever. Stocks and Real Estate in major parts in America, Asia and parts of Europe have be stalling after a massive 10 year boom. Art is always the last market to follow. I would not be surprised if there is a massive correction in the next 2-3 years in the art market or even sooner. You will and should see a market correction even in art. It's clear as day that the artists, auction houses, galleries and managers are all pushing as much as they can and for as much as they can right now knowing this the golden era and it won't last forever. I think the prime examples Shepard's 30 Large Format prints of old released images (yes he's using the excuse it's his 30 anniversary) at $900 each. Or what manifold is charging now for a Harland Miller print with pretty colors; $17,000. Probably the smartest thing is to sell right now like Nigo or even the Koons owner did and have cash for when the correction occurs. There is a reason why some of the biggest collectors are selling right now. These collectors know the art market and have done well for decades. They will again be the collectors who buy the best pieces - in cash - during the next market correction.
And thatโs what drives markets , bulls and bears like yourself...
For every person who thinks a correction is coming, youโll get 5 who think the boom is just getting started
The more I speak to people who are working for major auction houses, the more they keep saying this market cannot sustain itself for much longer. There is a reason why they call them "record breakers" and it's happening right now in many auction houses. This will not continue forever. Stocks and Real Estate in major parts in America, Asia and parts of Europe have be stalling after a massive 10 year boom. Art is always the last market to follow. I would not be surprised if there is a massive correction in the next 2-3 years in the art market or even sooner. You will and should see a market correction even in art. It's clear as day that the artists, auction houses, galleries and managers are all pushing as much as they can and for as much as they can right now knowing this the golden era and it won't last forever. I think the prime examples Shepard's 30 Large Format prints of old released images (yes he's using the excuse it's his 30 anniversary) at $900 each. Or what manifold is charging now for a Harland Miller print with pretty colors; $17,000. Probably the smartest thing is to sell right now like Nigo or even the Koons owner did and have cash for when the correction occurs. There is a reason why some of the biggest collectors are selling right now. These collectors know the art market and have done well for decades. They will again be the collectors who buy the best pieces - in cash - during the next market correction. And thatโs what drives markets , bulls and bears like yourself... For every person who thinks a correction is coming, youโll get 5 who think the boom is just getting started |
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by cest on Jun 1, 2019 23:10:26 GMT 1, We may be in an art supercycle , much like stocks. Until 2 weeks ago everyone in the financial world though the bull run would last until 2020 when the election gets "real".
I am of the opinion that we are in a art supwr cycle where investors do not have a choice but to (1) hide cash under a mattress at 2.4% (2) play the stock market (3) alternative investments. Many folks like tangible assets as storage of wealth or speculativly. I owned gold and silver before 2010- sold out. I owned Bordeaux wine until 2008- sold out. I have a few prints, which to me are assets, mostly from mid century artists but a few i have picked up here. I dont count them on my books, but i do have them as part of my future "estate" i will pass to my kids. Imo, as long as i buy a few pieces steadily decade after decade (which i have) , the art market can collapse, and ill be fine. Do i think it will?yeah, but not for many years.
Where else is there to go?
We may be in an art supercycle , much like stocks. Until 2 weeks ago everyone in the financial world though the bull run would last until 2020 when the election gets "real".
I am of the opinion that we are in a art supwr cycle where investors do not have a choice but to (1) hide cash under a mattress at 2.4% (2) play the stock market (3) alternative investments. Many folks like tangible assets as storage of wealth or speculativly. I owned gold and silver before 2010- sold out. I owned Bordeaux wine until 2008- sold out. I have a few prints, which to me are assets, mostly from mid century artists but a few i have picked up here. I dont count them on my books, but i do have them as part of my future "estate" i will pass to my kids. Imo, as long as i buy a few pieces steadily decade after decade (which i have) , the art market can collapse, and ill be fine. Do i think it will?yeah, but not for many years.
Where else is there to go?
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Kaws โข MOCAD Print Edition, by ca on Jun 2, 2019 3:20:22 GMT 1, 
that ebay auction which just ended might be an indication of how willing people are to pay for the "lesser" images... this one ended with only 1 bid at 3.5k (starting price)... and to think there's even worse images out there, people might of gotten a bit too excited with the prices at first but things are coming back to reality
that ebay auction which just ended might be an indication of how willing people are to pay for the "lesser" images... this one ended with only 1 bid at 3.5k (starting price)... and to think there's even worse images out there, people might of gotten a bit too excited with the prices at first but things are coming back to reality |
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