gentley
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November 2016
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New 33 print drop, by gentley on May 24, 2019 18:03:01 GMT 1,
'All the girls look the same to me these days'
High quality pigment print + UV/Matte Finish on 200gsm archival paper
Edition of 30.
Sheet size: 71x54cm (28x21โณ)
Stamped, signed and numbered.
Price 50EUR
thirtythr33.bigcartel.com/product/allthegirls
'All the girls look the same to me these days' High quality pigment print + UV/Matte Finish on 200gsm archival paper Edition of 30. Sheet size: 71x54cm (28x21โณ) Stamped, signed and numbered. Price 50EUR thirtythr33.bigcartel.com/product/allthegirls
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met
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June 2009
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New 33 print drop, by met on May 24, 2019 20:16:28 GMT 1, 'All the girls look the same to me these days' High quality pigment print + UV/Matte Finish on 200gsm archival paper Edition of 30. Sheet size: 71x54cm (28x21โณ) Stamped, signed and numbered. Price 50EUR thirtythr33.bigcartel.com/product/allthegirls
To my eyes, this image is a compositional mess, and uninterestingly so. Concept-wise, it's also rather dull.
The sense I get is that it might be worth spending more time honing your craft before even thinking about marketing or selling. Although the incentive is understandable, to sell at this stage seems akin to someone trying to run before they can walk.
I believe your work would benefit enormously from art school critique โ a group appraisal or "crit" by your peers. This could highlight weaknesses you may be currently blind to. And help inure you to negative commentary, thereby lessening any temptation to respond defensively.
My general view is that it's preferable to move away from the romance-comic aesthetic or themes. These are already a recognised trademark for more established artists, including Faile โ which automatically makes any later, comparable work by other artists appear derivative at best.
Good luck to you going forward.
'All the girls look the same to me these days' High quality pigment print + UV/Matte Finish on 200gsm archival paper Edition of 30. Sheet size: 71x54cm (28x21โณ) Stamped, signed and numbered. Price 50EUR thirtythr33.bigcartel.com/product/allthegirlsTo my eyes, this image is a compositional mess, and uninterestingly so. Concept-wise, it's also rather dull. The sense I get is that it might be worth spending more time honing your craft before even thinking about marketing or selling. Although the incentive is understandable, to sell at this stage seems akin to someone trying to run before they can walk. I believe your work would benefit enormously from art school critique โ a group appraisal or "crit" by your peers. This could highlight weaknesses you may be currently blind to. And help inure you to negative commentary, thereby lessening any temptation to respond defensively. My general view is that it's preferable to move away from the romance-comic aesthetic or themes. These are already a recognised trademark for more established artists, including Faile โ which automatically makes any later, comparable work by other artists appear derivative at best. Good luck to you going forward.
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nobokov
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February 2016
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New 33 print drop, by nobokov on May 24, 2019 23:59:38 GMT 1, 'All the girls look the same to me these days' High quality pigment print + UV/Matte Finish on 200gsm archival paper Edition of 30. Sheet size: 71x54cm (28x21โณ) Stamped, signed and numbered. Price 50EUR thirtythr33.bigcartel.com/product/allthegirlsTo my eyes, this image is a compositional mess, and uninterestingly so. Concept-wise, it's also rather dull. The sense I get is that it might be worth spending more time honing your craft before even thinking about marketing or selling. Although the incentive is understandable, to sell at this stage seems akin to someone trying to run before they can walk. I believe your work would benefit enormously from art school critique โ a group appraisal or "crit" by your peers. This could highlight weaknesses you may be currently blind to. And help inure you to negative commentary, thereby lessening any temptation to respond defensively. My general view is that it's preferable to move away from the romance-comic aesthetic or themes. These are already a recognised trademark for more established artists, including Faile โ which automatically makes any later, comparable work by other artists appear derivative at best. Good luck to you going forward. Ouch, harsh words. Why not just let the person be and let the market speak for you? I feel at this point your comments would almost apply to Faile as well.
'All the girls look the same to me these days' High quality pigment print + UV/Matte Finish on 200gsm archival paper Edition of 30. Sheet size: 71x54cm (28x21โณ) Stamped, signed and numbered. Price 50EUR thirtythr33.bigcartel.com/product/allthegirlsTo my eyes, this image is a compositional mess, and uninterestingly so. Concept-wise, it's also rather dull. The sense I get is that it might be worth spending more time honing your craft before even thinking about marketing or selling. Although the incentive is understandable, to sell at this stage seems akin to someone trying to run before they can walk. I believe your work would benefit enormously from art school critique โ a group appraisal or "crit" by your peers. This could highlight weaknesses you may be currently blind to. And help inure you to negative commentary, thereby lessening any temptation to respond defensively. My general view is that it's preferable to move away from the romance-comic aesthetic or themes. These are already a recognised trademark for more established artists, including Faile โ which automatically makes any later, comparable work by other artists appear derivative at best. Good luck to you going forward. Ouch, harsh words. Why not just let the person be and let the market speak for you? I feel at this point your comments would almost apply to Faile as well.
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met
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June 2009
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New 33 print drop, by met on May 25, 2019 8:55:01 GMT 1, To my eyes, this image is a compositional mess, and uninterestingly so. Concept-wise, it's also rather dull. The sense I get is that it might be worth spending more time honing your craft before even thinking about marketing or selling. Although the incentive is understandable, to sell at this stage seems akin to someone trying to run before they can walk. I believe your work would benefit enormously from art school critique โ a group appraisal or "crit" by your peers. This could highlight weaknesses you may be currently blind to. And help inure you to negative commentary, thereby lessening any temptation to respond defensively. My general view is that it's preferable to move away from the romance-comic aesthetic or themes. These are already a recognised trademark for more established artists, including Faile โ which automatically makes any later, comparable work by other artists appear derivative at best. Good luck to you going forward. Ouch, harsh words. Why not just let the person be and let the market speak for you? I feel at this point your comments would almost apply to Faile as well.
Words being harsh or laudatory or suggesting indifference seems neither here nor there on an art forum.
What should matter is whether those words are considered. And fair. These are issues I usually try to keep at the forefront of my mind. So if anyone believes my earlier comments were poorly thought through, or unfair, do let me know.
[Another point of principle is to only write what I'd be willing to say to the addressee(s) if they were standing in front of me. Such a criterion is helpful when posting. It ensures I don't allow myself to succumb to cowardice.]
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Regarding "just letting the person be", every post should be taken as an express or implicit invitation for comment. That is the nature of a message board. Sellers wishing to bypass discussion have other sale platforms at their disposal, including eBay.
As for "letting the market speak for me", your reasoning is unclear to me. I speak for myself and for no other person, in order to voice opinions that are my own. By the same token, why should I allow anyone or anything else to speak for me?
My observations were also focused less on the market than the artwork. And I would argue that, specifically on an art forum, there are benefits to members exchanging candid thoughts about art. Conversely, there are obvious drawbacks when commentary is lopsided โ e.g. limited mostly to plaudits or fawning as a result of self-censoring.
Query which approach by viewers is most likely to push the artist to up their game:
(i) disingenuous praise, even if well-intentioned;
(ii) silence, due to fear of awkwardness and a desire to spare hurt feelings *; or
(iii) open constructive criticism of the relevant work, addressing specific potential weaknesses and possible areas for improvement.
I put it to you that option (i) is inherently patronising, and option (ii) could be seen as the choice of the disengaged or the feeble. Both of these ultimately do the artist a disservice.
Next, for art enthusiasts and collectors, query which of the above three approaches is most likely to encourage us to think more about a specific work and about art generally; to explore in greater depth what it is we truly like or dislike and why; to actively build upon our existing art knowledge; and to develop a more discerning eye.
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In relation to your remark about Faile, I wouldn't disagree with you entirely. For example, in terms of composition (especially with respect to focal points, proportioning, contrast, use of negative space and colour), I've found many of their busier images to be wanting.
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In case you're considering one of these inkjet prints for your wall, the December 1973 Girls' Love Stories comic might be of interest too. It features the main source imagery by Jay Scott Pike. A copy listed as being in VG/FN condition is currently on eBay with a buy-it-now price of $12.00.
If I were drawn to ironic and kitsch home decor, my temptation would be to just frame the comic book cover, or even the back cover (with the advertisement for stretch wigs), because I find these more interesting than the print itself.
To my eyes, this image is a compositional mess, and uninterestingly so. Concept-wise, it's also rather dull. The sense I get is that it might be worth spending more time honing your craft before even thinking about marketing or selling. Although the incentive is understandable, to sell at this stage seems akin to someone trying to run before they can walk. I believe your work would benefit enormously from art school critique โ a group appraisal or "crit" by your peers. This could highlight weaknesses you may be currently blind to. And help inure you to negative commentary, thereby lessening any temptation to respond defensively. My general view is that it's preferable to move away from the romance-comic aesthetic or themes. These are already a recognised trademark for more established artists, including Faile โ which automatically makes any later, comparable work by other artists appear derivative at best. Good luck to you going forward. Ouch, harsh words. Why not just let the person be and let the market speak for you? I feel at this point your comments would almost apply to Faile as well. Words being harsh or laudatory or suggesting indifference seems neither here nor there on an art forum. What should matter is whether those words are considered. And fair. These are issues I usually try to keep at the forefront of my mind. So if anyone believes my earlier comments were poorly thought through, or unfair, do let me know. [Another point of principle is to only write what I'd be willing to say to the addressee(s) if they were standing in front of me. Such a criterion is helpful when posting. It ensures I don't allow myself to succumb to cowardice.]__________ Regarding "just letting the person be", every post should be taken as an express or implicit invitation for comment. That is the nature of a message board. Sellers wishing to bypass discussion have other sale platforms at their disposal, including eB ay. As for "letting the market speak for me", your reasoning is unclear to me. I speak for myself and for no other person, in order to voice opinions that are my own. By the same token, why should I allow anyone or anything else to speak for me? My observations were also focused less on the market than the artwork. And I would argue that, specifically on an art forum, there are benefits to members exchanging candid thoughts about art. Conversely, there are obvious drawbacks when commentary is lopsided โ e.g. limited mostly to plaudits or fawning as a result of self-censoring. Query which approach by viewers is most likely to push the artist to up their game: (i) disingenuous praise, even if well-intentioned; (ii) silence, due to fear of awkwardness and a desire to spare hurt feelings *; or (iii) open constructive criticism of the relevant work, addressing specific potential weaknesses and possible areas for improvement. I put it to you that option (i) is inherently patronising, and option (ii) could be seen as the choice of the disengaged or the feeble. Both of these ultimately do the artist a disservice. Next, for art enthusiasts and collectors, query which of the above three approaches is most likely to encourage us to think more about a specific work and about art generally; to explore in greater depth what it is we truly like or dislike and why; to actively build upon our existing art knowledge; and to develop a more discerning eye. __________ In relation to your remark about Faile, I wouldn't disagree with you entirely. For example, in terms of composition (especially with respect to focal points, proportioning, contrast, use of negative space and colour), I've found many of their busier images to be wanting. __________ In case you're considering one of these inkjet prints for your wall, the December 1973 Girls' Love Stories comic might be of interest too. It features the main source imagery by Jay Scott Pike. A copy listed as being in VG/FN condition is currently on eBay with a buy-it-now price of $12.00. If I were drawn to ironic and kitsch home decor, my temptation would be to just frame the comic book cover, or even the back cover (with the advertisement for stretch wigs), because I find these more interesting than the print itself.
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gentley
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November 2016
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New 33 print drop, by gentley on May 25, 2019 10:59:56 GMT 1, So much work put into opposition of an almost completely unknown artist. -- strange...
Underlines what I thought about the work, its reception and some people on this forum.
I will stay vague here, but the real reason why met is putting down this work is not among the ones he stated. He will refuse to know about any deeper meanings involved here though.
So much work put into opposition of an almost completely unknown artist. -- strange...
Underlines what I thought about the work, its reception and some people on this forum.
I will stay vague here, but the real reason why met is putting down this work is not among the ones he stated. He will refuse to know about any deeper meanings involved here though.
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New 33 print drop, by Jalouse Rosemont on May 25, 2019 12:52:21 GMT 1, So much work put into opposition of an almost completely unknown artist. -- strange... Underlines what I thought about the work, its reception and some people on this forum. I will stay vague here, but the real reason why met is putting down this work is not among the ones he stated. He will refuse to know about any deeper meanings involved here though. media.giphy.com/media/14qa6jf3Xf6ftu/giphy.gif
So much work put into opposition of an almost completely unknown artist. -- strange... Underlines what I thought about the work, its reception and some people on this forum. I will stay vague here, but the real reason why met is putting down this work is not among the ones he stated. He will refuse to know about any deeper meanings involved here though. media.giphy.com/media/14qa6jf3Xf6ftu/giphy.gif
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Hairbland
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November 2010
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New 33 print drop, by Hairbland on May 25, 2019 13:04:37 GMT 1, So much work put into opposition of an almost completely unknown artist. -- strange... Underlines what I thought about the work, its reception and some people on this forum. I will stay vague here, but the real reason why met is putting down this work is not among the ones he stated. He will refuse to know about any deeper meanings involved here though. I think the opposition is to the use of a well known art / urban art trope done to death, the โartistโ caught in the wake. From experience I would say a college class critique of work (done as a regular practice) would bring much the same feedback.
So much work put into opposition of an almost completely unknown artist. -- strange... Underlines what I thought about the work, its reception and some people on this forum. I will stay vague here, but the real reason why met is putting down this work is not among the ones he stated. He will refuse to know about any deeper meanings involved here though. I think the opposition is to the use of a well known art / urban art trope done to death, the โartistโ caught in the wake. From experience I would say a college class critique of work (done as a regular practice) would bring much the same feedback.
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