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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by WOOF on Jun 25, 2019 2:05:19 GMT 1, Taking those images above and comparing them to Banksy’s work, one could certainly say he drew inspiration from them. But his final works cannot, in my opinion, be described as plagiarism. pla·gia·rism /ˈplājəˌrizəm/ noun the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own.
Let's take flags for example. He didn't take someone else's work and pass it off as his own. He took the work, and combined it with another famous image to create a new, original thought. Now if you can show me a source image of kids raising a flag on a broken down car, I'll happily withdraw my comment.
Taking those images above and comparing them to Banksy’s work, one could certainly say he drew inspiration from them. But his final works cannot, in my opinion, be described as plagiarism. pla·gia·rism /ˈplājəˌrizəm/ noun the practice of taking someone else's work or ideas and passing them off as one's own. Let's take flags for example. He didn't take someone else's work and pass it off as his own. He took the work, and combined it with another famous image to create a new, original thought. Now if you can show me a source image of kids raising a flag on a broken down car, I'll happily withdraw my comment. |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by tonysantos2001 on Jun 25, 2019 21:00:48 GMT 1, Been a while kids.
I think with the advent of Google reverse image search it's pretty damn easy to find out the "Inspiration" for a LOT of the "Original" works by "Banksy"
Been a while kids.
I think with the advent of Google reverse image search it's pretty damn easy to find out the "Inspiration" for a LOT of the "Original" works by "Banksy"
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by Rouen Cathedral on Jun 27, 2019 3:34:41 GMT 1, So just so I get this straight. It’s okay to rip the new Pejac prints cause they are similar to something you can google but don’t dare bring up the old banksy source material. That is reserved for only warm fuzzy feelings and praise.
Double standard defined in two threads.
So just so I get this straight. It’s okay to rip the new Pejac prints cause they are similar to something you can google but don’t dare bring up the old banksy source material. That is reserved for only warm fuzzy feelings and praise.
Double standard defined in two threads.
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by jp on Jun 27, 2019 4:04:36 GMT 1, So just so I get this straight. It’s okay to rip the new Pejac prints cause they are similar to something you can google but don’t dare bring up the old banksy source material. That is reserved for only warm fuzzy feelings and praise. Double standard defined in two threads.
I can always tell when I have forgotten to log in when I see your username.
So just so I get this straight. It’s okay to rip the new Pejac prints cause they are similar to something you can google but don’t dare bring up the old banksy source material. That is reserved for only warm fuzzy feelings and praise. Double standard defined in two threads. Thanks for leaving another steaming turd in a banksy thread. I can always tell when I have forgotten to log in when I see your username. |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by Coach on Jun 27, 2019 9:02:17 GMT 1, So just so I get this straight. It’s okay to rip the new Pejac prints cause they are similar to something you can google but don’t dare bring up the old banksy source material. That is reserved for only warm fuzzy feelings and praise. Double standard defined in two threads.
So, what, wait, let me get this straight 🤦♂️
Are you saying that the same people have expressed differing views on both threads? Or are we unable to have independent views and should instead have one collective Borg-esque opinion?
So just so I get this straight. It’s okay to rip the new Pejac prints cause they are similar to something you can google but don’t dare bring up the old banksy source material. That is reserved for only warm fuzzy feelings and praise. Double standard defined in two threads. So, what, wait, let me get this straight 🤦♂️ Are you saying that the same people have expressed differing views on both threads? Or are we unable to have independent views and should instead have one collective Borg-esque opinion? |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by moron on Jul 3, 2019 12:42:29 GMT 1, Indeed. If memory serves (though quite possibly I have rose tinted spectacles in this regard) that long thread had an element of joy at seeing Banksy’s source material. I find it rather odd that any artist might be criticised for using source material. The artistic creativity is in what they make of that material, surely. The OP is a frustrated artist and long time Banksy-hater. I remember heated arguments in the late 70’s with artists that hated Warhol.
Unlike a frustrated banksy fanboy in NY.
I just did a bit of what Irish does (irl) decided to post a link to an interesting article which is relevant to this forum without changing or adding to the title and text of the article.
Some people are hypocrits. When some mention Banky or Hirstt etc pay others to make the art. It is justifies by saying, oh yes, "but it's all about the idea"
So if it's all about the idea and how original and clever Banksy is. Then don't moan when it's found out that Banksy has tolen others original ideas in some cases and made his own version.
I guess you won't mind if someone saw some of Gunninghams or Banksy's ideas somewhere in a notebook or online etc and then made ltd edition screen prints by using (stealing) those ideas. That would be cool, wouldn't it?
Indeed. If memory serves (though quite possibly I have rose tinted spectacles in this regard) that long thread had an element of joy at seeing Banksy’s source material. I find it rather odd that any artist might be criticised for using source material. The artistic creativity is in what they make of that material, surely. The OP is a frustrated artist and long time Banksy-hater. I remember heated arguments in the late 70’s with artists that hated Warhol. Unlike a frustrated banksy fanboy in NY. I just did a bit of what Irish does (irl) decided to post a link to an interesting article which is relevant to this forum without changing or adding to the title and text of the article. Some people are hypocrits. When some mention Banky or Hirstt etc pay others to make the art. It is justifies by saying, oh yes, " but it's all about the idea"
So if it's all about the idea and how original and clever Banksy is. Then don't moan when it's found out that Banksy has tolen others original ideas in some cases and made his own version. I guess you won't mind if someone saw some of Gunninghams or Banksy's ideas somewhere in a notebook or online etc and then made ltd edition screen prints by using (stealing) those ideas. That would be cool, wouldn't it? |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by irl1 on Jul 3, 2019 13:01:47 GMT 1, While i like Banksy in fairness to moran and a few others on here i can see his point.
I was surprised when this stopped at 2 pages when the Peckham Postcard went to 54 pages 
While i like Banksy in fairness to moran and a few others on here i can see his point. I was surprised when this stopped at 2 pages when the Peckham Postcard went to 54 pages |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by Hairbland on Jul 3, 2019 14:02:09 GMT 1, The OP is a frustrated artist and long time Banksy-hater. I remember heated arguments in the late 70’s with artists that hated Warhol. Unlike a frustrated banksy fanboy in NY. I just did a bit of what Irish does (irl) decided to post a link to an interesting article which is relevant to this forum without changing or adding to the title and text of the article. Some people are hypocrits. When some mention Banky or Hirstt etc pay others to make the art. It is justifies by saying, oh yes, " but it's all about the idea"
So if it's all about the idea and how original and clever Banksy is. Then don't moan when it's found out that Banksy has tolen others original ideas in some cases and made his own version. I guess you won't mind if someone saw some of Gunninghams or Banksy's ideas somewhere in a notebook or online etc and then made ltd edition screen prints by using (stealing) those ideas. That would be cool, wouldn't it?
You, and RC, who mentioned the Pejac bashing, are comparing apples and oranges. The problem as I see it is that the stridency you both bring is more for sport and to be the contrarians.
But you and RC should at least be honest, if not to yourselves then to your forum mates by owning what you do.
The OP is a frustrated artist and long time Banksy-hater. I remember heated arguments in the late 70’s with artists that hated Warhol. Unlike a frustrated banksy fanboy in NY. I just did a bit of what Irish does (irl) decided to post a link to an interesting article which is relevant to this forum without changing or adding to the title and text of the article. Some people are hypocrits. When some mention Banky or Hirstt etc pay others to make the art. It is justifies by saying, oh yes, " but it's all about the idea"
So if it's all about the idea and how original and clever Banksy is. Then don't moan when it's found out that Banksy has tolen others original ideas in some cases and made his own version. I guess you won't mind if someone saw some of Gunninghams or Banksy's ideas somewhere in a notebook or online etc and then made ltd edition screen prints by using (stealing) those ideas. That would be cool, wouldn't it? You, and RC, who mentioned the Pejac bashing, are comparing apples and oranges. The problem as I see it is that the stridency you both bring is more for sport and to be the contrarians. But you and RC should at least be honest, if not to yourselves then to your forum mates by owning what you do. |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by eyectopus on Jul 3, 2019 14:14:41 GMT 1, Some Banksy artworks are heavily based on reference images. Others appear to use references but are not as obvious and others appear to have used no known reference images.
I love his use of reference images and to see how Banksy has changed the context or used slight changes to give a new meaning or to make an image more powerful.
There has been no attempt to conceal references so it is not a negative thing when a new work with a new meaning is created.
As has been said in the Stormzy Vest thread. It is about the execution and message.
I was happy to see the bowling image posted as Bomb Middle England is my favourite of all Banksy artworks.
Some Banksy artworks are heavily based on reference images. Others appear to use references but are not as obvious and others appear to have used no known reference images.
I love his use of reference images and to see how Banksy has changed the context or used slight changes to give a new meaning or to make an image more powerful.
There has been no attempt to conceal references so it is not a negative thing when a new work with a new meaning is created.
As has been said in the Stormzy Vest thread. It is about the execution and message.
I was happy to see the bowling image posted as Bomb Middle England is my favourite of all Banksy artworks.
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by Coach on Jul 3, 2019 14:49:32 GMT 1, Some Banksy artworks are heavily based on reference images. Others appear to use references but are not as obvious and others appear to have used no known reference images. I love his use of reference images and to see how Banksy has changed the context or used slight changes to give a new meaning or to make an image more powerful. There has been no attempt to conceal references so it is not a negative thing when a new work with a new meaning is created. As has been said in the Stormzy Vest thread. It is about the execution and message. I was happy to see the bowling image posted as Bomb Middle England is my favourite of all Banksy artworks.
My thoughts precisely
Some Banksy artworks are heavily based on reference images. Others appear to use references but are not as obvious and others appear to have used no known reference images. I love his use of reference images and to see how Banksy has changed the context or used slight changes to give a new meaning or to make an image more powerful. There has been no attempt to conceal references so it is not a negative thing when a new work with a new meaning is created. As has been said in the Stormzy Vest thread. It is about the execution and message. I was happy to see the bowling image posted as Bomb Middle England is my favourite of all Banksy artworks. My thoughts precisely |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by brycepen on Jul 7, 2019 0:38:26 GMT 1, good lord, this is ridiculous. How many of you critics have ever tried to make a realistic piece of art? I would like everyone here to try making a realistic painting or print without a source image and then maybe you can have an opinion about this.
good lord, this is ridiculous. How many of you critics have ever tried to make a realistic piece of art? I would like everyone here to try making a realistic painting or print without a source image and then maybe you can have an opinion about this.
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by mojo on Jul 7, 2019 23:38:17 GMT 1, good lord, this is ridiculous. How many of you critics have ever tried to make a realistic piece of art? I would like everyone here to try making a realistic painting or print without a source image and then maybe you can have an opinion about this.  Same goes for the introduction to Art & Design course I'm on with a tutor from St Martins, you're shown images by well known artists and designers within whatever discipline you're studying that week before making your own interpretation. It's called inspiration and it's everywhere including newspaper illustration
good lord, this is ridiculous. How many of you critics have ever tried to make a realistic piece of art? I would like everyone here to try making a realistic painting or print without a source image and then maybe you can have an opinion about this. Exactly! I've been taking a night class in traditional painting techniques and am being taught through copying well known artists...I'm currently on my 3rd masterpiece rip off Same goes for the introduction to Art & Design course I'm on with a tutor from St Martins, you're shown images by well known artists and designers within whatever discipline you're studying that week before making your own interpretation. It's called inspiration and it's everywhere including newspaper illustration |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by brycepen on Jul 8, 2019 0:07:58 GMT 1, good lord, this is ridiculous. How many of you critics have ever tried to make a realistic piece of art? I would like everyone here to try making a realistic painting or print without a source image and then maybe you can have an opinion about this. Exactly! I've been taking a night class in traditional painting techniques and am being taught through copying well known artists...I'm currently on my 3rd masterpiece rip off Same goes for the introduction to Art & Design course I'm on with a tutor from St Martins, you're shown images by well known artists and designers within whatever discipline you're studying that week before making your own interpretation. It's called inspiration and it's everywhere including newspaper illustration
And a lot of the reason old masters didn’t use photographs or source images is because they DIDN’T EXIST. They had to have models pose for hours with a metal grid in front of them to help them paint more realistically, which is where the modern practice of gridding source images came from.
It’s kind of amazing how many people here don’t know anything about the practice or history of art beyond what has been discussed on this forum. Hilarious really.
good lord, this is ridiculous. How many of you critics have ever tried to make a realistic piece of art? I would like everyone here to try making a realistic painting or print without a source image and then maybe you can have an opinion about this. Exactly! I've been taking a night class in traditional painting techniques and am being taught through copying well known artists...I'm currently on my 3rd masterpiece rip off Same goes for the introduction to Art & Design course I'm on with a tutor from St Martins, you're shown images by well known artists and designers within whatever discipline you're studying that week before making your own interpretation. It's called inspiration and it's everywhere including newspaper illustration And a lot of the reason old masters didn’t use photographs or source images is because they DIDN’T EXIST. They had to have models pose for hours with a metal grid in front of them to help them paint more realistically, which is where the modern practice of gridding source images came from. It’s kind of amazing how many people here don’t know anything about the practice or history of art beyond what has been discussed on this forum. Hilarious really. |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by Masong on Jul 8, 2019 0:29:20 GMT 1, Exactly! I've been taking a night class in traditional painting techniques and am being taught through copying well known artists...I'm currently on my 3rd masterpiece rip off Same goes for the introduction to Art & Design course I'm on with a tutor from St Martins, you're shown images by well known artists and designers within whatever discipline you're studying that week before making your own interpretation. It's called inspiration and it's everywhere including newspaper illustration And a lot of the reason old masters didn’t use photographs or source images is because they DIDN’T EXIST. They had to have models pose for hours with a metal grid in front of them to help them paint more realistically, which is where the modern practice of gridding source images came from. It’s kind of amazing how many people here don’t know anything about the practice or history of art beyond what has been discussed on this forum. Hilarious really.
We are so lucky to have you here to enlighten us all. Thank you brycepen, you’re amazing
Exactly! I've been taking a night class in traditional painting techniques and am being taught through copying well known artists...I'm currently on my 3rd masterpiece rip off Same goes for the introduction to Art & Design course I'm on with a tutor from St Martins, you're shown images by well known artists and designers within whatever discipline you're studying that week before making your own interpretation. It's called inspiration and it's everywhere including newspaper illustration And a lot of the reason old masters didn’t use photographs or source images is because they DIDN’T EXIST. They had to have models pose for hours with a metal grid in front of them to help them paint more realistically, which is where the modern practice of gridding source images came from. It’s kind of amazing how many people here don’t know anything about the practice or history of art beyond what has been discussed on this forum. Hilarious really. We are so lucky to have you here to enlighten us all. Thank you brycepen, you’re amazing |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by brycepen on Jul 8, 2019 0:36:16 GMT 1, Can’t tell if that was sarcasm or not, but I’m honestly not trying to be a dick. I guess that might have come off as condescending, but a lot of these opinions are bafflingly ignorant. I am happy to hear different perspectives, but it’s impossible to have a healthy debate with people who have no idea what they are talking about.
Can’t tell if that was sarcasm or not, but I’m honestly not trying to be a dick. I guess that might have come off as condescending, but a lot of these opinions are bafflingly ignorant. I am happy to hear different perspectives, but it’s impossible to have a healthy debate with people who have no idea what they are talking about.
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by Jalouse Rosemont on Jul 8, 2019 0:54:29 GMT 1, Exactly! I've been taking a night class in traditional painting techniques and am being taught through copying well known artists...I'm currently on my 3rd masterpiece rip off Same goes for the introduction to Art & Design course I'm on with a tutor from St Martins, you're shown images by well known artists and designers within whatever discipline you're studying that week before making your own interpretation. It's called inspiration and it's everywhere including newspaper illustration And a lot of the reason old masters didn’t use photographs or source images is because they DIDN’T EXIST. They had to have models pose for hours with a metal grid in front of them to help them paint more realistically, which is where the modern practice of gridding source images came from. It’s kind of amazing how many people here don’t know anything about the practice or history of art beyond what has been discussed on this forum. Hilarious really.
Exactly! I've been taking a night class in traditional painting techniques and am being taught through copying well known artists...I'm currently on my 3rd masterpiece rip off Same goes for the introduction to Art & Design course I'm on with a tutor from St Martins, you're shown images by well known artists and designers within whatever discipline you're studying that week before making your own interpretation. It's called inspiration and it's everywhere including newspaper illustration And a lot of the reason old masters didn’t use photographs or source images is because they DIDN’T EXIST. They had to have models pose for hours with a metal grid in front of them to help them paint more realistically, which is where the modern practice of gridding source images came from. It’s kind of amazing how many people here don’t know anything about the practice or history of art beyond what has been discussed on this forum. Hilarious really. The forum.... Full of salty people that if they didn't hate, they wouldn't exist..... |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by mojo on Jul 8, 2019 1:41:51 GMT 1, Exactly! I've been taking a night class in traditional painting techniques and am being taught through copying well known artists...I'm currently on my 3rd masterpiece rip off Same goes for the introduction to Art & Design course I'm on with a tutor from St Martins, you're shown images by well known artists and designers within whatever discipline you're studying that week before making your own interpretation. It's called inspiration and it's everywhere including newspaper illustration And a lot of the reason old masters didn’t use photographs or source images is because they DIDN’T EXIST. They had to have models pose for hours with a metal grid in front of them to help them paint more realistically, which is where the modern practice of gridding source images came from. It’s kind of amazing how many people here don’t know anything about the practice or history of art beyond what has been discussed on this forum. Hilarious really.
Exactly! I've been taking a night class in traditional painting techniques and am being taught through copying well known artists...I'm currently on my 3rd masterpiece rip off Same goes for the introduction to Art & Design course I'm on with a tutor from St Martins, you're shown images by well known artists and designers within whatever discipline you're studying that week before making your own interpretation. It's called inspiration and it's everywhere including newspaper illustration And a lot of the reason old masters didn’t use photographs or source images is because they DIDN’T EXIST. They had to have models pose for hours with a metal grid in front of them to help them paint more realistically, which is where the modern practice of gridding source images came from. It’s kind of amazing how many people here don’t know anything about the practice or history of art beyond what has been discussed on this forum. Hilarious really. Yes I've been using the grid in my painting class. Funnily enough I have my first ever life drawing class later today. I've prepared by watching YouTube tutorials and repeating "the lightest dark is darker than the darkest light." |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by jimbofatz on Jul 8, 2019 2:15:31 GMT 1, The only reason this is of relevance is because it was a popular argument in the past that 3Ds style is to different to Banksy's for them to be the same person (especially the pieces offered on the major sites like POW. They never offered any of his popculture wall hangers for the shoe collector. Though he certainly was making them). So it is important to note that BANKSY imagery and style uses well known famous images. He's not some hit maker of original very pop ideas/it's all borrowed imagery that's the banksy model and his style. Doesn't mean it all sucks just means its not a reach. Also they "both" need to learn how to do feet for those discussing style.
The only reason this is of relevance is because it was a popular argument in the past that 3Ds style is to different to Banksy's for them to be the same person (especially the pieces offered on the major sites like POW. They never offered any of his popculture wall hangers for the shoe collector. Though he certainly was making them). So it is important to note that BANKSY imagery and style uses well known famous images. He's not some hit maker of original very pop ideas/it's all borrowed imagery that's the banksy model and his style. Doesn't mean it all sucks just means its not a reach. Also they "both" need to learn how to do feet for those discussing style.
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by brycepen on Aug 1, 2019 9:31:36 GMT 1, The only reason this is of relevance is because it was a popular argument in the past that 3Ds style is to different to Banksy's for them to be the same person (especially the pieces offered on the major sites like POW. They never offered any of his popculture wall hangers for the shoe collector. Though he certainly was making them). So it is important to note that BANKSY imagery and style uses well known famous images. He's not some hit maker of original very pop ideas/it's all borrowed imagery that's the banksy model and his style. Doesn't mean it all sucks just means its not a reach. Also they "both" need to learn how to do feet for those discussing style.
I don’t get it. Feet aren’t really that hard. Banksy, if you need a lesson in foreshortening, feel free to contact me
The only reason this is of relevance is because it was a popular argument in the past that 3Ds style is to different to Banksy's for them to be the same person (especially the pieces offered on the major sites like POW. They never offered any of his popculture wall hangers for the shoe collector. Though he certainly was making them). So it is important to note that BANKSY imagery and style uses well known famous images. He's not some hit maker of original very pop ideas/it's all borrowed imagery that's the banksy model and his style. Doesn't mean it all sucks just means its not a reach. Also they "both" need to learn how to do feet for those discussing style.
I don’t get it. Feet aren’t really that hard. Banksy, if you need a lesson in foreshortening, feel free to contact me |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by moron on Aug 11, 2019 22:36:07 GMT 1, good lord, this is ridiculous. How many of you critics have ever tried to make a realistic piece of art? I would like everyone here to try making a realistic painting or print without a source image and then maybe you can have an opinion about this.
The article I posted refers to Banksy stealing not ideas as has been suggested by some on here but taking someones copyrighted artwork and re doing it as his own original artwork. It worked for Hirst so with money and PR see how it worked for Banksy too.
good lord, this is ridiculous. How many of you critics have ever tried to make a realistic piece of art? I would like everyone here to try making a realistic painting or print without a source image and then maybe you can have an opinion about this. You jest, anyone can make a realistic piece of art without a source image. The article I posted refers to Banksy stealing not ideas as has been suggested by some on here but taking someones copyrighted artwork and re doing it as his own original artwork. It worked for Hirst so with money and PR see how it worked for Banksy too. |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by Chris JL on Aug 12, 2019 0:06:08 GMT 1, 😴 [that’s the effect of reading trivialities about issues that have been understood already hundreds of years ago - entertaining reference: Ludovico Ariosto]
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by Deleted on Aug 12, 2019 10:30:45 GMT 1, good lord, this is ridiculous. How many of you critics have ever tried to make a realistic piece of art? I would like everyone here to try making a realistic painting or print without a source image and then maybe you can have an opinion about this. You jest, anyone can make a realistic piece of art without a source image. The article I posted refers to Banksy stealing not ideas as has been suggested by some on here but taking someones copyrighted artwork and re doing it as his own original artwork. It worked for Hirst so with money and PR see how it worked for Banksy too.
good lord, this is ridiculous. How many of you critics have ever tried to make a realistic piece of art? I would like everyone here to try making a realistic painting or print without a source image and then maybe you can have an opinion about this. You jest, anyone can make a realistic piece of art without a source image. The article I posted refers to Banksy stealing not ideas as has been suggested by some on here but taking someones copyrighted artwork and re doing it as his own original artwork. It worked for Hirst so with money and PR see how it worked for Banksy too. At least Banksy still does his own work, unlike Hirst and Koons, amongst others. Hire a bunch of grads to colour your dots in. |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by Coach on Aug 12, 2019 11:35:38 GMT 1, You jest, anyone can make a realistic piece of art without a source image. The article I posted refers to Banksy stealing not ideas as has been suggested by some on here but taking someones copyrighted artwork and re doing it as his own original artwork. It worked for Hirst so with money and PR see how it worked for Banksy too. At least Banksy still does his own work, unlike Hirst and Koons, amongst others. Hire a bunch of grads to colour your dots in.
It’s about having the idea. Coming up with the concept. Using assistants to put that in to practice is perfectly acceptable, and has happened since the renaissance.
Is Richard Wilson anything less of a great artist if he uses engineers and labourers to make his visions a reality? (See Turning Point for example). Or Christo and Jeanne Claud? (See Surrounded Islands for example).
You jest, anyone can make a realistic piece of art without a source image. The article I posted refers to Banksy stealing not ideas as has been suggested by some on here but taking someones copyrighted artwork and re doing it as his own original artwork. It worked for Hirst so with money and PR see how it worked for Banksy too. At least Banksy still does his own work, unlike Hirst and Koons, amongst others. Hire a bunch of grads to colour your dots in. It’s about having the idea. Coming up with the concept. Using assistants to put that in to practice is perfectly acceptable, and has happened since the renaissance. Is Richard Wilson anything less of a great artist if he uses engineers and labourers to make his visions a reality? (See Turning Point for example). Or Christo and Jeanne Claud? (See Surrounded Islands for example). |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by Chris JL on Aug 12, 2019 12:15:00 GMT 1, Fun fact: allegedly Michelangelo did almost none of the colouring of the Sistine chapel, but left that work mostly to his assistants (he hated the project to start with - he considered himself a sculptor, not a painter - and deeply disliked the paint dropping on his face...).
But if you visit, you’ll typical hear tourists making comments of the like “wow, Michelangelo’s colours are sublime!” 😊
Fun fact: allegedly Michelangelo did almost none of the colouring of the Sistine chapel, but left that work mostly to his assistants (he hated the project to start with - he considered himself a sculptor, not a painter - and deeply disliked the paint dropping on his face...).
But if you visit, you’ll typical hear tourists making comments of the like “wow, Michelangelo’s colours are sublime!” 😊
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by Deleted on Aug 13, 2019 8:24:37 GMT 1, At least Banksy still does his own work, unlike Hirst and Koons, amongst others. Hire a bunch of grads to colour your dots in. It’s about having the idea. Coming up with the concept. Using assistants to put that in to practice is perfectly acceptable, and has happened since the renaissance. Is Richard Wilson anything less of a great artist if he uses engineers and labourers to make his visions a reality? (See Turning Point for example). Or Christo and Jeanne Claud? (See Surrounded Islands for example).
At least Banksy still does his own work, unlike Hirst and Koons, amongst others. Hire a bunch of grads to colour your dots in. It’s about having the idea. Coming up with the concept. Using assistants to put that in to practice is perfectly acceptable, and has happened since the renaissance. Is Richard Wilson anything less of a great artist if he uses engineers and labourers to make his visions a reality? (See Turning Point for example). Or Christo and Jeanne Claud? (See Surrounded Islands for example). Richard Wilson is a bit different, and i wouldn't expect an artist to be proficient with a forge. I'm talking putting some paint on a canvas. Personally I wouldnt buy something expensive that the artist hasn't painted at all. Someone like Rubens would paint faces, hands etc but have apprentices do things like animals in the background, but his apprentices were the likes of van dyck. I'm talking about things like hirst's spots. That's just a production line imho. |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by moron on Aug 24, 2019 20:47:07 GMT 1, At least Banksy still does his own work, unlike Hirst and Koons, amongst others. Hire a bunch of grads to colour your dots in. It’s about having the idea. Coming up with the concept. Using assistants to put that in to practice is perfectly acceptable, and has happened since the renaissance. Is Richard Wilson anything less of a great artist if he uses engineers and labourers to make his visions a reality? (See Turning Point for example). Or Christo and Jeanne Claud? (See Surrounded Islands for example).
I'm wondering if Hirst manages Banksy and Banksy is doing with Urban art what Hirst did with Brit art.
I guess if it's OK for the likes of Banksy to blatantly steal from others as after all he says copyright is for losers and the Banksy followers cult who say everything Banksy does is so wonderful and so much better because its Banksy.
Then I wonder why JBoy got flack from POW for his version of the Banksy Choose Your Weapon art?
Banksy sends DMCA takedown notices despite what he says about copyright. lumendatabase.org/notices/16157278#
At least Banksy still does his own work, unlike Hirst and Koons, amongst others. Hire a bunch of grads to colour your dots in. It’s about having the idea. Coming up with the concept. Using assistants to put that in to practice is perfectly acceptable, and has happened since the renaissance. Is Richard Wilson anything less of a great artist if he uses engineers and labourers to make his visions a reality? (See Turning Point for example). Or Christo and Jeanne Claud? (See Surrounded Islands for example). Hirst's business or art process was from the beginning to steal from other artists and to say "fuck them" when it's pointe dout. Banksy has done his fair share of plagiarism including the text he put his name to with regard to advertising. Plus the Reni Gagnon "forgive me my sins" artwork. www.postersandprintsblog.com/postersandprintsblog/2010/3/29/banksy-bites-rene-gagnon-these-are-my-sins-print-available.html I'm wondering if Hirst manages Banksy and Banksy is doing with Urban art what Hirst did with Brit art. I guess if it's OK for the likes of Banksy to blatantly steal from others as after all he says copyright is for losers and the Banksy followers cult who say everything Banksy does is so wonderful and so much better because its Banksy. Then I wonder why JBoy got flack from POW for his version of the Banksy Choose Your Weapon art? Banksy sends DMCA takedown notices despite what he says about copyright. lumendatabase.org/notices/16157278# |
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Banksy, and how a picture tells a thousand lies, by brycepen on Nov 22, 2019 6:33:57 GMT 1, good lord, this is ridiculous. How many of you critics have ever tried to make a realistic piece of art? I would like everyone here to try making a realistic painting or print without a source image and then maybe you can have an opinion about this. You jest, anyone can make a realistic piece of art without a source image. The article I posted refers to Banksy stealing not ideas as has been suggested by some on here but taking someones copyrighted artwork and re doing it as his own original artwork. It worked for Hirst so with money and PR see how it worked for Banksy too.
You just don’t get it, sorry. Yeah, I can make up a face that looks realistic, but that’s not my idea of what makes me an artist. Sometimes I see a picture and it just strikes me, and there is something about the facial expression or the pose or whatever that is so powerful that it makes me want to find a way to capture that beauty or feeling it gave me so that others can see it too.
Other times there is just an idea I want to capture, and then I’ll find a picture that helps me do that.
And I’m realist painter. I always have been. I’m not going to try to paint imaginary things that look real just because some people think that somehow makes an artist more creative. That’s absolute nonsense.
good lord, this is ridiculous. How many of you critics have ever tried to make a realistic piece of art? I would like everyone here to try making a realistic painting or print without a source image and then maybe you can have an opinion about this. You jest, anyone can make a realistic piece of art without a source image. The article I posted refers to Banksy stealing not ideas as has been suggested by some on here but taking someones copyrighted artwork and re doing it as his own original artwork. It worked for Hirst so with money and PR see how it worked for Banksy too. You just don’t get it, sorry. Yeah, I can make up a face that looks realistic, but that’s not my idea of what makes me an artist. Sometimes I see a picture and it just strikes me, and there is something about the facial expression or the pose or whatever that is so powerful that it makes me want to find a way to capture that beauty or feeling it gave me so that others can see it too. Other times there is just an idea I want to capture, and then I’ll find a picture that helps me do that. And I’m realist painter. I always have been. I’m not going to try to paint imaginary things that look real just because some people think that somehow makes an artist more creative. That’s absolute nonsense. |
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Same goes for the introduction to Art & Design course I'm on with a tutor from St Martins, you're shown images by well known artists and designers within whatever discipline you're studying that week before making your own interpretation. It's called inspiration and it's everywhere including newspaper illustration
