lee3
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 832
๐๐ป 1,290
November 2009
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by lee3 on Mar 23, 2023 1:06:27 GMT 1, Worth noting the dims on the pair of works are not the same. Am sure someone could ask philips for photo of the signature on verso to compare too.
Banksy
Title Single Lane
Description spray paint on found street sign
248.3 x 125.1 cm (97 3/4 x 49 1/4 in)
Dated โ2011โ on the reverse. This work is accompanied by a certificate of authenticity
Medium spray paint on found street sign
Year of Work 2011
Size Height 97.8 in.; Width 49.3 in. / Height 248.3 cm.; Width 125.1 cm.
Misc. Signed
Sale of Phillips de Pury & Company London: Friday, June 29, 2012 [Lot 00228]
Contemporary Art
Estimate 50,000 - 70,000 GBP ?
(78,419 - 109,786 USD)
Sold For Bought In
Provenance Pest Control, London
Exhibition Los Angeles, The Geffen Contemporary at Moca,Art in the streets, 17 April- 8 August 2011
Here are dims noted at Heritage:
Banksy (b.1974)
Single Lane Ahead, 2011
Spray enamel on street sign
46-7/8 x 46-7/8 inches (119.0 x 119.0 cm) with metal pole attached which is 90.9 inches (238cm) high
Signed and dated on reverse: BANKSY / 2011
Worth noting the dims on the pair of works are not the same. Am sure someone could ask philips for photo of the signature on verso to compare too.
Banksy
Title Single Lane
Description spray paint on found street sign
248.3 x 125.1 cm (97 3/4 x 49 1/4 in)
Dated โ2011โ on the reverse. This work is accompanied by a certificate of authenticity
Medium spray paint on found street sign
Year of Work 2011
Size Height 97.8 in.; Width 49.3 in. / Height 248.3 cm.; Width 125.1 cm.
Misc. Signed
Sale of Phillips de Pury & Company London: Friday, June 29, 2012 [Lot 00228]
Contemporary Art
Estimate 50,000 - 70,000 GBP ?
(78,419 - 109,786 USD)
Sold For Bought In
Provenance Pest Control, London
Exhibition Los Angeles, The Geffen Contemporary at Moca,Art in the streets, 17 April- 8 August 2011
Here are dims noted at Heritage:
Banksy (b.1974)
Single Lane Ahead, 2011
Spray enamel on street sign
46-7/8 x 46-7/8 inches (119.0 x 119.0 cm) with metal pole attached which is 90.9 inches (238cm) high
Signed and dated on reverse: BANKSY / 2011
|
|
Heritage Urban
Art Auction
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 66
๐๐ป 53
June 2019
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Heritage Urban on Mar 23, 2023 2:18:43 GMT 1, Hello all,
Thank you met and cemltz and others for your questions (and PMs!)
There is nothing untoward here. Single Lane was cleaned after the Phillips auction (it went unsold, which is why it's not listed on the provenance, as is common practice across all auction houses). The owner at the time had concerns that the work was not archival or conserved up to a high standard and would not last the test of time. We feel the condition report reflects this and is accurate.
Pest Control and Banksy authorized this conservation (as is common with many other artists, works do go back to the studio), and the work was then sent back to Pest Control to be re-authenticated post-conservation. That is why the Pest Control certificate is dated more recently than the Phillips sale. The Pest Control certificate for this work is dated May 16, 2017.
The work is still as close to the artist's intention as possible. If it wasn't, it would not have been granted a PC COA a second time.
Thanks and no doubt they'll be many more questions tomorrow.
Edited: A further note, as we list in the description Warning Sign was never included in Art in the Streets. Not sure where that came from.
Hello all, Thank you met and cemltz and others for your questions (and PMs!) There is nothing untoward here. Single Lane was cleaned after the Phillips auction (it went unsold, which is why it's not listed on the provenance, as is common practice across all auction houses). The owner at the time had concerns that the work was not archival or conserved up to a high standard and would not last the test of time. We feel the condition report reflects this and is accurate. Pest Control and Banksy authorized this conservation (as is common with many other artists, works do go back to the studio), and the work was then sent back to Pest Control to be re-authenticated post-conservation. That is why the Pest Control certificate is dated more recently than the Phillips sale. The Pest Control certificate for this work is dated May 16, 2017. The work is still as close to the artist's intention as possible. If it wasn't, it would not have been granted a PC COA a second time. Thanks and no doubt they'll be many more questions tomorrow. Edited: A further note, as we list in the description Warning Sign was never included in Art in the Streets. Not sure where that came from. |
|
|
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Charlie Bronson on Mar 23, 2023 4:11:47 GMT 1, Am I understanding this correctly? The current owner bought the piece at โSale of Phillips de Pury & Company London: Friday, June 29, 2012 [Lot 00228]โ and then had the genius idea of trying to clean the sign, and in doing so completely fucked it up? I hope Iโm mistaken.
Am I understanding this correctly? The current owner bought the piece at โSale of Phillips de Pury & Company London: Friday, June 29, 2012 [Lot 00228]โ and then had the genius idea of trying to clean the sign, and in doing so completely fucked it up? I hope Iโm mistaken.
|
|
met
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 2,796
๐๐ป 6,762
June 2009
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by met on Mar 23, 2023 5:57:11 GMT 1, Hello all, Thank you met and cemltz and others for your questions (and PMs!) There is nothing untoward here. Single Lane was cleaned after the Phillips auction (it went unsold, which is why it's not listed on the provenance, as is common practice across all auction houses). The owner at the time had concerns that the work was not archival or conserved up to a high standard and would not last the test of time. We feel the condition report reflects this and is accurate. Pest Control and Banksy authorized this conservation (as is common with many other artists, works do go back to the studio), and the work was then sent back to Pest Control to be re-authenticated post-conservation. That is why the Pest Control certificate is dated more recently than the Phillips sale. The Pest Control certificate for this work is dated May 16, 2017. The work is still as close to the artist's intention as possible. If it wasn't, it would not have been granted a PC COA a second time. Thanks and no doubt they'll be many more questions tomorrow. Edited: A further note, as we list in the description Warning Sign was never included in Art in the Streets. Not sure where that came from.
Thank you for the helpful response.
The key takeaway here would be that, provided:
(a) the certificate of authenticity in your possession dated 16 May 2017 is an authentic Pest Control Office COA; and
(b) this COA corresponds to the specific piece you are selling,
then the piece itself is a genuine Banksy.
What remains confusing, however, is that the artwork exhibited at the Art in the Streets show at MOCA in 2011, and subsequently offered for sale by Phillips de Pury in 2012*, is not the same artwork as the one Heritage Auctions currently has listed for sale*.
They are clearly two separate pieces, i.e. similar but nevertheless different versions of Single Lane Ahead painted on two different street signs โ regardless of whether either or both were ever cleaned.
Hello all, Thank you met and cemltz and others for your questions (and PMs!) There is nothing untoward here. Single Lane was cleaned after the Phillips auction (it went unsold, which is why it's not listed on the provenance, as is common practice across all auction houses). The owner at the time had concerns that the work was not archival or conserved up to a high standard and would not last the test of time. We feel the condition report reflects this and is accurate. Pest Control and Banksy authorized this conservation (as is common with many other artists, works do go back to the studio), and the work was then sent back to Pest Control to be re-authenticated post-conservation. That is why the Pest Control certificate is dated more recently than the Phillips sale. The Pest Control certificate for this work is dated May 16, 2017. The work is still as close to the artist's intention as possible. If it wasn't, it would not have been granted a PC COA a second time. Thanks and no doubt they'll be many more questions tomorrow. Edited: A further note, as we list in the description Warning Sign was never included in Art in the Streets. Not sure where that came from. Thank you for the helpful response. The key takeaway here would be that, provided: (a) the certificate of authenticity in your possession dated 16 May 2017 is an authentic Pest Control Office COA; and (b) this COA corresponds to the specific piece you are selling, then the piece itself is a genuine Ban ksy. What remains confusing, however, is that the artwork exhibited at the Art in the Streets show at MOCA in 2011, and subsequently offered for sale by Phi llips de Pury in 2012 *, is not the same artwork as the one Heri tage Auctions currently has listed for sale *. They are clearly two separate pieces, i.e. similar but nevertheless different versions of Single Lane Ahead painted on two different street signs โ regardless of whether either or both were ever cleaned. |
|
silvermyn
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 1,612
๐๐ป 781
April 2008
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by silvermyn on Mar 23, 2023 12:52:05 GMT 1, Hello all, Thank you met and cemltz and others for your questions (and PMs!) There is nothing untoward here. Single Lane was cleaned after the Phillips auction (it went unsold, which is why it's not listed on the provenance, as is common practice across all auction houses). The owner at the time had concerns that the work was not archival or conserved up to a high standard and would not last the test of time. We feel the condition report reflects this and is accurate. Pest Control and Banksy authorized this conservation (as is common with many other artists, works do go back to the studio), and the work was then sent back to Pest Control to be re-authenticated post-conservation. That is why the Pest Control certificate is dated more recently than the Phillips sale. The Pest Control certificate for this work is dated May 16, 2017. The work is still as close to the artist's intention as possible. If it wasn't, it would not have been granted a PC COA a second time. Thanks and no doubt they'll be many more questions tomorrow. Edited: A further note, as we list in the description Warning Sign was never included in Art in the Streets. Not sure where that came from.
"Cleaning, preserving, and occasionally repairing works of art is known as art conservation, and the people who do this specialised work are called conservators." Cleaning, in this context, to my mind means the removal of dirt that was not part of the original piece of work. Removing dirt that was there when the piece was executed simply confirms that the owner has perminantly altered the piece. This is not conservation work done to the artwork.
You would be right in saying that concervation work (cleaning) was done to the sign itself, as a roadsign, because the cleaning removed dirt that was not originally on the sign when it was first produced. But you're not selling a roadsign, your selling a piece of urban art.
Do you know who did the "conservation" work in this instance? Was the work sent to artist's studio, or was it done by some other unconnected third party? If it didn't go back to the artist's studio, then why mention that this would be the common practice? Was the cleaning done before authorisation by PC and Banksy, or only after prior discussion and authorised by PC and Banksy? A bit more clarity in this regard may be helpful.
Hello all, Thank you met and cemltz and others for your questions (and PMs!) There is nothing untoward here. Single Lane was cleaned after the Phillips auction (it went unsold, which is why it's not listed on the provenance, as is common practice across all auction houses). The owner at the time had concerns that the work was not archival or conserved up to a high standard and would not last the test of time. We feel the condition report reflects this and is accurate. Pest Control and Banksy authorized this conservation (as is common with many other artists, works do go back to the studio), and the work was then sent back to Pest Control to be re-authenticated post-conservation. That is why the Pest Control certificate is dated more recently than the Phillips sale. The Pest Control certificate for this work is dated May 16, 2017. The work is still as close to the artist's intention as possible. If it wasn't, it would not have been granted a PC COA a second time. Thanks and no doubt they'll be many more questions tomorrow. Edited: A further note, as we list in the description Warning Sign was never included in Art in the Streets. Not sure where that came from. It's not clear to me how the damage done to this artwork by the owner at the time can be described as "conservation". "Cleaning, preserving, and occasionally repairing works of art is known as art conservation, and the people who do this specialised work are called conservators." Cleaning, in this context, to my mind means the removal of dirt that was not part of the original piece of work. Removing dirt that was there when the piece was executed simply confirms that the owner has perminantly altered the piece. This is not conservation work done to the artwork. You would be right in saying that concervation work (cleaning) was done to the sign itself, as a roadsign, because the cleaning removed dirt that was not originally on the sign when it was first produced. But you're not selling a roadsign, your selling a piece of urban art. Do you know who did the "conservation" work in this instance? Was the work sent to artist's studio, or was it done by some other unconnected third party? If it didn't go back to the artist's studio, then why mention that this would be the common practice? Was the cleaning done before authorisation by PC and Banksy, or only after prior discussion and authorised by PC and Banksy? A bit more clarity in this regard may be helpful. |
|
xixixi
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 22
๐๐ป 34
November 2022
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by xixixi on Mar 23, 2023 13:12:53 GMT 1, Hello all, Thank you met and cemltz and others for your questions (and PMs!) There is nothing untoward here. Single Lane was cleaned after the Phillips auction (it went unsold, which is why it's not listed on the provenance, as is common practice across all auction houses). The owner at the time had concerns that the work was not archival or conserved up to a high standard and would not last the test of time. We feel the condition report reflects this and is accurate. Pest Control and Banksy authorized this conservation (as is common with many other artists, works do go back to the studio), and the work was then sent back to Pest Control to be re-authenticated post-conservation. That is why the Pest Control certificate is dated more recently than the Phillips sale. The Pest Control certificate for this work is dated May 16, 2017. The work is still as close to the artist's intention as possible. If it wasn't, it would not have been granted a PC COA a second time. Thanks and no doubt they'll be many more questions tomorrow. Edited: A further note, as we list in the description Warning Sign was never included in Art in the Streets. Not sure where that came from. It's not clear to me how the damage done to this artwork by the owner at the time can be described as "conservation". "Cleaning, preserving, and occasionally repairing works of art is known as art conservation, and the people who do this specialised work are called conservators." Cleaning, in this context, to my mind means the removal of dirt that was not part of the original piece of work. Removing dirt that was there when the piece was executed simply confirms that the owner has perminantly altered the piece. This is not conservation work done to the artwork. You would be right in saying that concervation work (cleaning) was done to the sign itself, as a roadsign, because the cleaning removed dirt that was not originally on the sign when it was first produced. But you're not selling a roadsign, your selling a piece of urban art. Do you know who did the "conservation" work in this instance? Was the work sent to artist's studio, or was it done by some other unconnected third party? If it didn't go back to the artist's studio, then why mention that this would be the common practice? Was the cleaning done before authorisation by PC and Banksy, or only after prior discussion and authorised by PC and Banksy? A bit more clarity in this regard may be helpful.
Hello all, Thank you met and cemltz and others for your questions (and PMs!) There is nothing untoward here. Single Lane was cleaned after the Phillips auction (it went unsold, which is why it's not listed on the provenance, as is common practice across all auction houses). The owner at the time had concerns that the work was not archival or conserved up to a high standard and would not last the test of time. We feel the condition report reflects this and is accurate. Pest Control and Banksy authorized this conservation (as is common with many other artists, works do go back to the studio), and the work was then sent back to Pest Control to be re-authenticated post-conservation. That is why the Pest Control certificate is dated more recently than the Phillips sale. The Pest Control certificate for this work is dated May 16, 2017. The work is still as close to the artist's intention as possible. If it wasn't, it would not have been granted a PC COA a second time. Thanks and no doubt they'll be many more questions tomorrow. Edited: A further note, as we list in the description Warning Sign was never included in Art in the Streets. Not sure where that came from. It's not clear to me how the damage done to this artwork by the owner at the time can be described as "conservation". "Cleaning, preserving, and occasionally repairing works of art is known as art conservation, and the people who do this specialised work are called conservators." Cleaning, in this context, to my mind means the removal of dirt that was not part of the original piece of work. Removing dirt that was there when the piece was executed simply confirms that the owner has perminantly altered the piece. This is not conservation work done to the artwork. You would be right in saying that concervation work (cleaning) was done to the sign itself, as a roadsign, because the cleaning removed dirt that was not originally on the sign when it was first produced. But you're not selling a roadsign, your selling a piece of urban art. Do you know who did the "conservation" work in this instance? Was the work sent to artist's studio, or was it done by some other unconnected third party? If it didn't go back to the artist's studio, then why mention that this would be the common practice? Was the cleaning done before authorisation by PC and Banksy, or only after prior discussion and authorised by PC and Banksy? A bit more clarity in this regard may be helpful. It looks like the "conservationist" used high strength cellulose thinners in conjunction with a rag to "conserve" the artwork. I would have loved to have seen their face the second they realised what they done. |
|
|
|
cemltz
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 496
๐๐ป 920
October 2022
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by cemltz on Mar 23, 2023 13:35:38 GMT 1, I think we should put this one in the "Salvator Mundi" category of "conservation", no? Do click the pictures to enlarge and enjoy. There has clearly been significant paint removed and added to this piece.
Original, Christies:
Current, HA:
I think we should put this one in the "Salvator Mundi" category of "conservation", no? Do click the pictures to enlarge and enjoy. There has clearly been significant paint removed and added to this piece. Original, Christies: Current, HA: |
|
cemltz
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 496
๐๐ป 920
October 2022
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by cemltz on Mar 23, 2023 13:40:25 GMT 1, ...We feel the condition report reflects this and is accurate...
Your condition report for both pieces states: "This is consistent with the work being painted on a โfoundโ street sign taken โfrom the streetโ."
I think the feedback you are getting is that neither of these pieces are in the condition they were when "found" or taken "from the street".
...We feel the condition report reflects this and is accurate... Your condition report for both pieces states: "This is consistent with the work being painted on a โfoundโ street sign taken โfrom the streetโ." I think the feedback you are getting is that neither of these pieces are in the condition they were when "found" or taken "from the street". |
|
met
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 2,796
๐๐ป 6,762
June 2009
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by met on Mar 27, 2023 19:02:49 GMT 1, Hello all, Thank you met and cemltz and others for your questions (and PMs!) There is nothing untoward here. Single Lane was cleaned after the Phillips auction (it went unsold, which is why it's not listed on the provenance, as is common practice across all auction houses). The owner at the time had concerns that the work was not archival or conserved up to a high standard and would not last the test of time. We feel the condition report reflects this and is accurate. Pest Control and Banksy authorized this conservation (as is common with many other artists, works do go back to the studio), and the work was then sent back to Pest Control to be re-authenticated post-conservation. That is why the Pest Control certificate is dated more recently than the Phillips sale. The Pest Control certificate for this work is dated May 16, 2017. The work is still as close to the artist's intention as possible. If it wasn't, it would not have been granted a PC COA a second time. Thanks and no doubt they'll be many more questions tomorrow. Edited: A further note, as we list in the description Warning Sign was never included in Art in the Streets. Not sure where that came from. Thank you for the helpful response. The key takeaway here would be that, provided: (a) the certificate of authenticity in your possession dated 16 May 2017 is an authentic Pest Control Office COA; and (b) this COA corresponds to the specific piece you are selling, then the piece itself is a genuine Ban ksy. What remains confusing, however, is that the artwork exhibited at the Art in the Streets show at MOCA in 2011, and subsequently offered for sale by Phi llips de Pury in 2012 *, is not the same artwork as the one Heri tage Auctions currently has listed for sale *. They are clearly two separate pieces, i.e. similar but nevertheless different versions of Single Lane Ahead painted on two different street signs โ regardless of whether either or both were ever cleaned.
Heritage Urban
Any follow-up comments or update?
I assumed Heritage Auctions was spending additional time being more thorough with its own due diligence checks (better late than never) โ perhaps by liaising further with the consignor. Or reaching out to Pest Control Office, or even Phillips.
But the only change to the auction listing thus far seems to be the inclusion of a new reserve price of $300,000, pushing up the opening bid amount from the previous $150,000:
fineart.ha.com/itm/banksy-b1974-single-lane-ahead-2011spray-enamel-on-street-sign46-7-8-x-46-7-8-inches-1190-x-1190-cm-with/a/8119-66024.s
__________
As already stated, the specific piece being sold by Heritage Auctions is neither the same painting nor even the same street-sign substrate as the artwork exhibited at Art in the Streets at MOCA in 2011, and then consigned to Phillips de Pury in 2012.
This, irrespective of whether the original MOCA / Phillips de Pury artwork may have been "cleaned" at a later date.
To be clear, they are two separate pieces: different versions of Single Lane Ahead painted on two different street signs.
Supplementary point for emphasis
The above issue was expressly brought to your attention last week, after you accessed the forum once again on 23 March but then remained silent.
This was also the moment Heritage Auctions ceased being able to claim good-faith ignorance regarding the materially-inaccurate lot description reference to:
"EXHIBITED:
Art in the Streets, MOCA 2011, Los Angeles, California."
For this purpose, let's leave aside questions of integrity and professional reputation.
If the above false reference is not corrected or at least qualified prior to Thursday 30 March, and the piece actually sells on that date, it will potentially place Heritage Auctions in a delicate legal position.
The company might well expose itself to accusations of a โknowing misrepresentation of the truth or concealment of a material fact to induce another to act to his or her detrimentโ.
Hello all, Thank you met and cemltz and others for your questions (and PMs!) There is nothing untoward here. Single Lane was cleaned after the Phillips auction (it went unsold, which is why it's not listed on the provenance, as is common practice across all auction houses). The owner at the time had concerns that the work was not archival or conserved up to a high standard and would not last the test of time. We feel the condition report reflects this and is accurate. Pest Control and Banksy authorized this conservation (as is common with many other artists, works do go back to the studio), and the work was then sent back to Pest Control to be re-authenticated post-conservation. That is why the Pest Control certificate is dated more recently than the Phillips sale. The Pest Control certificate for this work is dated May 16, 2017. The work is still as close to the artist's intention as possible. If it wasn't, it would not have been granted a PC COA a second time. Thanks and no doubt they'll be many more questions tomorrow. Edited: A further note, as we list in the description Warning Sign was never included in Art in the Streets. Not sure where that came from. Thank you for the helpful response. The key takeaway here would be that, provided: (a) the certificate of authenticity in your possession dated 16 May 2017 is an authentic Pest Control Office COA; and (b) this COA corresponds to the specific piece you are selling, then the piece itself is a genuine Ban ksy. What remains confusing, however, is that the artwork exhibited at the Art in the Streets show at MOCA in 2011, and subsequently offered for sale by Phi llips de Pury in 2012 *, is not the same artwork as the one Heri tage Auctions currently has listed for sale *. They are clearly two separate pieces, i.e. similar but nevertheless different versions of Single Lane Ahead painted on two different street signs โ regardless of whether either or both were ever cleaned. Any follow-up comments or update? I assumed Heri tage Auctions was spending additional time being more thorough with its own due diligence checks (better late than never) โ perhaps by liaising further with the consignor. Or reaching out to Pest Control Office, or even Phil lips. But the only change to the auction listing thus far seems to be the inclusion of a new reserve price of $300,000, pushing up the opening bid amount from the previous $150,000: fineart.ha.com/itm/banksy-b1974-single-lane-ahead-2011spray-enamel-on-street-sign46-7-8-x-46-7-8-inches-1190-x-1190-cm-with/a/8119-66024.s__________ As already stated, the specific piece being sold by Heri tage Auctions is neither the same painting nor even the same street-sign substrate as the artwork exhibited at Art in the Streets at MOCA in 2011, and then consigned to Phil lips de Pury in 2012. This, irrespective of whether the original MOCA / Phil lips de Pury artwork may have been "cleaned" at a later date. To be clear, they are two separate pieces: different versions of Single Lane Ahead painted on two different street signs. Supplementary point for emphasisThe above issue was expressly brought to your attention last week, after you accessed the forum once again on 23 March but then remained silent. This was also the moment Heri tage Auctions ceased being able to claim good-faith ignorance regarding the materially-inaccurate lot description reference to: "EXHIBITED:
Art in the Streets, MOCA 2011, Los Angeles, California."For this purpose, let's leave aside questions of integrity and professional reputation. If the above false reference is not corrected or at least qualified prior to Thursday 30 March, and the piece actually sells on that date, it will potentially place Heri tage Auctions in a delicate legal position. The company might well expose itself to accusations of a โknowing misrepresentation of the truth or concealment of a material fact to induce another to act to his or her detrimentโ. |
|
Minecrafter
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 389
๐๐ป 125
October 2021
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Minecrafter on Mar 27, 2023 19:12:33 GMT 1, Thank you for the helpful response. The key takeaway here would be that, provided: (a) the certificate of authenticity in your possession dated 16 May 2017 is an authentic Pest Control Office COA; and (b) this COA corresponds to the specific piece you are selling, then the piece itself is a genuine Ban ksy. What remains confusing, however, is that the artwork exhibited at the Art in the Streets show at MOCA in 2011, and subsequently offered for sale by Phi llips de Pury in 2012 *, is not the same artwork as the one Heri tage Auctions currently has listed for sale *. They are clearly two separate pieces, i.e. similar but nevertheless different versions of Single Lane Ahead painted on two different street signs โ regardless of whether either or both were ever cleaned. Any follow-up comments or update? I assumed Heri tage Auctions was spending additional time being more thorough with its own due diligence checks (better late than never) โ perhaps by liaising further with the consignor. Or reaching out to Pest Control Office, or even Phil lips. But the only change to the auction listing thus far seems to be the inclusion of a new reserve price of $300,000, pushing up the opening bid amount from the previous $150,000: fineart.ha.com/itm/banksy-b1974-single-lane-ahead-2011spray-enamel-on-street-sign46-7-8-x-46-7-8-inches-1190-x-1190-cm-with/a/8119-66024.s__________ As already stated, the specific piece being sold by Heri tage Auctions is neither the same painting nor even the same street-sign substrate as the artwork exhibited at Art in the Streets at MOCA in 2011, and then consigned to Phil lips de Pury in 2012. This, irrespective of whether the original MOCA / Phil lips de Pury artwork may have been "cleaned" at a later date. To be clear, they are two separate pieces: different versions of Single Lane Ahead painted on two different street signs. Supplementary point for emphasisThe above issue was expressly brought to your attention last week, after you accessed the forum once again on 23 March but then remained silent. This was also the moment Heri tage Auctions ceased being able to claim good-faith ignorance regarding the materially-inaccurate lot description reference to: "EXHIBITED:
Art in the Streets, MOCA 2011, Los Angeles, California."For this purpose, let's leave aside questions of integrity and professional reputation. If the above false reference is not corrected or at least qualified prior to Thursday 30 March, and the piece actually sells on that date, it will potentially place Heri tage Auctions in a delicate legal position. The company might well expose itself to accusations of a โknowing misrepresentation of the truth or concealment of a material fact to induce another to act to his or her detrimentโ.
Maybe it's just the mystery of Banksy .. or drunken shenanigans... Or performance art.
Fraud doesn't exist in this forum. ๐
Thank you for the helpful response. The key takeaway here would be that, provided: (a) the certificate of authenticity in your possession dated 16 May 2017 is an authentic Pest Control Office COA; and (b) this COA corresponds to the specific piece you are selling, then the piece itself is a genuine Ban ksy. What remains confusing, however, is that the artwork exhibited at the Art in the Streets show at MOCA in 2011, and subsequently offered for sale by Phi llips de Pury in 2012 *, is not the same artwork as the one Heri tage Auctions currently has listed for sale *. They are clearly two separate pieces, i.e. similar but nevertheless different versions of Single Lane Ahead painted on two different street signs โ regardless of whether either or both were ever cleaned. Any follow-up comments or update? I assumed Heri tage Auctions was spending additional time being more thorough with its own due diligence checks (better late than never) โ perhaps by liaising further with the consignor. Or reaching out to Pest Control Office, or even Phil lips. But the only change to the auction listing thus far seems to be the inclusion of a new reserve price of $300,000, pushing up the opening bid amount from the previous $150,000: fineart.ha.com/itm/banksy-b1974-single-lane-ahead-2011spray-enamel-on-street-sign46-7-8-x-46-7-8-inches-1190-x-1190-cm-with/a/8119-66024.s__________ As already stated, the specific piece being sold by Heri tage Auctions is neither the same painting nor even the same street-sign substrate as the artwork exhibited at Art in the Streets at MOCA in 2011, and then consigned to Phil lips de Pury in 2012. This, irrespective of whether the original MOCA / Phil lips de Pury artwork may have been "cleaned" at a later date. To be clear, they are two separate pieces: different versions of Single Lane Ahead painted on two different street signs. Supplementary point for emphasisThe above issue was expressly brought to your attention last week, after you accessed the forum once again on 23 March but then remained silent. This was also the moment Heri tage Auctions ceased being able to claim good-faith ignorance regarding the materially-inaccurate lot description reference to: "EXHIBITED:
Art in the Streets, MOCA 2011, Los Angeles, California."For this purpose, let's leave aside questions of integrity and professional reputation. If the above false reference is not corrected or at least qualified prior to Thursday 30 March, and the piece actually sells on that date, it will potentially place Heri tage Auctions in a delicate legal position. The company might well expose itself to accusations of a โknowing misrepresentation of the truth or concealment of a material fact to induce another to act to his or her detrimentโ. Maybe it's just the mystery of Banksy .. or drunken shenanigans... Or performance art. Fraud doesn't exist in this forum. ๐ |
|
Heritage Urban
Art Auction
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 66
๐๐ป 53
June 2019
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Heritage Urban on Mar 28, 2023 16:16:05 GMT 1, Hi Met,
Sure happy to respond. Heritage is the only auction house that is transparent with reserves. Which is why you're seeing the $300,000 now. We allow bidding online for two weeks prior to the live auction, if the reserve is not met one week prior to the sale then the reserve is posted. We don't allow Chandelier bidding (link) as the other auction houses do.
Single Lane Ahead is the correct artwork and has a corresponding Pest Control COA. As I discussed above, conservation was performed between the Phillips sale and now. To reiterate, the work was done initially on a "found" street sign so there were small areas of dirt, grim, and oxidation (as seen in the Phillips listing), which could have caused rusting and further deterioration. Pest Control and Banksy authorized this conversation, and the work was re-authenticated post-conservation (as of 2016). I can't speak to the artist's mind on why, but some elements changed were done in this conservation process were (likely) necessary for longevity and keeping with Banksy's original intention. This work was featured in the 2011 MOCA show. I hope this helps!
Hi Met, Sure happy to respond. Heritage is the only auction house that is transparent with reserves. Which is why you're seeing the $300,000 now. We allow bidding online for two weeks prior to the live auction, if the reserve is not met one week prior to the sale then the reserve is posted. We don't allow Chandelier bidding (link) as the other auction houses do. Single Lane Ahead is the correct artwork and has a corresponding Pest Control COA. As I discussed above, conservation was performed between the Phillips sale and now. To reiterate, the work was done initially on a "found" street sign so there were small areas of dirt, grim, and oxidation (as seen in the Phillips listing), which could have caused rusting and further deterioration. Pest Control and Banksy authorized this conversation, and the work was re-authenticated post-conservation (as of 2016). I can't speak to the artist's mind on why, but some elements changed were done in this conservation process were (likely) necessary for longevity and keeping with Banksy's original intention. This work was featured in the 2011 MOCA show. I hope this helps! |
|
apprint
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 588
๐๐ป 129
January 2012
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by apprint on Mar 28, 2023 16:40:02 GMT 1, I do have and original work, and I did ask PC to do some works on it and then told me is fine. But donโt touch the image on itโฆ
I do have and original work, and I did ask PC to do some works on it and then told me is fine. But donโt touch the image on itโฆ
|
|
Bill Hicks
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 939
๐๐ป 1,143
May 2008
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Bill Hicks on Mar 28, 2023 18:32:08 GMT 1, Thank you for the helpful response. The key takeaway here would be that, provided: (a) the certificate of authenticity in your possession dated 16 May 2017 is an authentic Pest Control Office COA; and (b) this COA corresponds to the specific piece you are selling, then the piece itself is a genuine Ban ksy. What remains confusing, however, is that the artwork exhibited at the Art in the Streets show at MOCA in 2011, and subsequently offered for sale by Phi llips de Pury in 2012 *, is not the same artwork as the one Heri tage Auctions currently has listed for sale *. They are clearly two separate pieces, i.e. similar but nevertheless different versions of Single Lane Ahead painted on two different street signs โ regardless of whether either or both were ever cleaned. Any follow-up comments or update? I assumed Heri tage Auctions was spending additional time being more thorough with its own due diligence checks (better late than never) โ perhaps by liaising further with the consignor. Or reaching out to Pest Control Office, or even Phil lips. But the only change to the auction listing thus far seems to be the inclusion of a new reserve price of $300,000, pushing up the opening bid amount from the previous $150,000: fineart.ha.com/itm/banksy-b1974-single-lane-ahead-2011spray-enamel-on-street-sign46-7-8-x-46-7-8-inches-1190-x-1190-cm-with/a/8119-66024.s__________ As already stated, the specific piece being sold by Heri tage Auctions is neither the same painting nor even the same street-sign substrate as the artwork exhibited at Art in the Streets at MOCA in 2011, and then consigned to Phil lips de Pury in 2012. This, irrespective of whether the original MOCA / Phil lips de Pury artwork may have been "cleaned" at a later date. To be clear, they are two separate pieces: different versions of Single Lane Ahead painted on two different street signs. Supplementary point for emphasisThe above issue was expressly brought to your attention last week, after you accessed the forum once again on 23 March but then remained silent. This was also the moment Heri tage Auctions ceased being able to claim good-faith ignorance regarding the materially-inaccurate lot description reference to: "EXHIBITED:
Art in the Streets, MOCA 2011, Los Angeles, California."For this purpose, let's leave aside questions of integrity and professional reputation. If the above false reference is not corrected or at least qualified prior to Thursday 30 March, and the piece actually sells on that date, it will potentially place Heri tage Auctions in a delicate legal position. The company might well expose itself to accusations of a โknowing misrepresentation of the truth or concealment of a material fact to induce another to act to his or her detrimentโ.
Thank you for the helpful response. The key takeaway here would be that, provided: (a) the certificate of authenticity in your possession dated 16 May 2017 is an authentic Pest Control Office COA; and (b) this COA corresponds to the specific piece you are selling, then the piece itself is a genuine Ban ksy. What remains confusing, however, is that the artwork exhibited at the Art in the Streets show at MOCA in 2011, and subsequently offered for sale by Phi llips de Pury in 2012 *, is not the same artwork as the one Heri tage Auctions currently has listed for sale *. They are clearly two separate pieces, i.e. similar but nevertheless different versions of Single Lane Ahead painted on two different street signs โ regardless of whether either or both were ever cleaned. Any follow-up comments or update? I assumed Heri tage Auctions was spending additional time being more thorough with its own due diligence checks (better late than never) โ perhaps by liaising further with the consignor. Or reaching out to Pest Control Office, or even Phil lips. But the only change to the auction listing thus far seems to be the inclusion of a new reserve price of $300,000, pushing up the opening bid amount from the previous $150,000: fineart.ha.com/itm/banksy-b1974-single-lane-ahead-2011spray-enamel-on-street-sign46-7-8-x-46-7-8-inches-1190-x-1190-cm-with/a/8119-66024.s__________ As already stated, the specific piece being sold by Heri tage Auctions is neither the same painting nor even the same street-sign substrate as the artwork exhibited at Art in the Streets at MOCA in 2011, and then consigned to Phil lips de Pury in 2012. This, irrespective of whether the original MOCA / Phil lips de Pury artwork may have been "cleaned" at a later date. To be clear, they are two separate pieces: different versions of Single Lane Ahead painted on two different street signs. Supplementary point for emphasisThe above issue was expressly brought to your attention last week, after you accessed the forum once again on 23 March but then remained silent. This was also the moment Heri tage Auctions ceased being able to claim good-faith ignorance regarding the materially-inaccurate lot description reference to: "EXHIBITED:
Art in the Streets, MOCA 2011, Los Angeles, California."For this purpose, let's leave aside questions of integrity and professional reputation. If the above false reference is not corrected or at least qualified prior to Thursday 30 March, and the piece actually sells on that date, it will potentially place Heri tage Auctions in a delicate legal position. The company might well expose itself to accusations of a โknowing misrepresentation of the truth or concealment of a material fact to induce another to act to his or her detrimentโ. |
|
met
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 2,796
๐๐ป 6,762
June 2009
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by met on Mar 28, 2023 18:40:42 GMT 1, Hi Met, Sure happy to respond. Heritage is the only auction house that is transparent with reserves. Which is why you're seeing the $300,000 now. We allow bidding online for two weeks prior to the live auction, if the reserve is not met one week prior to the sale then the reserve is posted. We don't allow Chandelier bidding (link) as the other auction houses do. Single Lane Ahead is the correct artwork and has a corresponding Pest Control COA. As I discussed above, conservation was performed between the Phillips sale and now. To reiterate, the work was done initially on a "found" street sign so there were small areas of dirt, grim, and oxidation (as seen in the Phillips listing), which could have caused rusting and further deterioration. Pest Control and Banksy authorized this conversation, and the work was re-authenticated post-conservation (as of 2016). I can't speak to the artist's mind on why, but some elements changed were done in this conservation process were (likely) necessary for longevity and keeping with Banksy's original intention. This work was featured in the 2011 MOCA show. I hope this helps!
Thank you for this.
May I ask who actually did the conservation work?
It would also be helpful to hear whether this was arranged by the consignor.
Or, alternatively, if Pest Control Office took over the process from the outset and arranged the conservation work itself.
__________
Once again, the outstanding issue is that, contrary to what you are claiming, the piece Heritage Auctions is selling is not the same same piece that was exhibited at MOCA in 2011 and later consigned to Phillips de Pury.
Can you not see this?
Just look at the high-res image of the street sign from Phillips de Pury*, and compare it with your own images*.
To all interested members, please do not take my word for it; I am but a random stranger on the internet.
The evidence is freely available. Check for yourselves โ by making your own side-by-side, detailed comparisons of the two pieces.
They are two different paintings on two different street signs. And this should be evident to anyone who's paying attention.
Heritage Urban โ I am therefore unclear about whether you're responding:
(a) in good faith, and you are simply careless and/or lack reasonable observational skills;
(b) in bad faith, and being knowingly misleading; or
(c) somewhere in between, such as self-delusion prompted by a vested interest in the sale.
__________
The related-yet-separate point I can accept is that the piece you are selling is an authentic Banksy accompanied by a Pest Control Office COA.
If we assume genuineness, here are a couple of possible explanations for the present situation:
1. At least two Single Lane Ahead artworks were created by the artist in 2011 on different street signs as part of a series.
The MOCA / Phillips de Pury piece is one of them, and the Heritage Auctions piece is a different one.
2. Around the time of re-authentication by Pest Control Office on 16 May 2017, the original artwork was swapped by Pest Control Office and replaced with a similar but different piece which was signed and backdated โ perhaps because the artist was no longer satisfied with the quality/execution of the original and wished to improve it.
That is not inconsistent with some of Banksy's past actions.
Moreover, if official city street signs may have (somewhat inconveniently) changed in size between 2011 and 2017, point 2 also offers a plausible reason for the 6.1 cm discrepancy in width dimension between the Phillips de Pury piece (125.1 cm) and the one currently listed by Heritage Auctions (119.0 cm).
But either way, the MOCA / Phillips de Pury piece is a different painting, on a different street sign, to the one being sold by Heritage Auctions.
This would mean the provenance details and exhibition history in the Heritage Auctions listing could at best (if being truthful) state something along the lines of:
"EXHIBITED:
A different piece from the same series as this artwork was exhibited at Art in the Streets, MOCA 2011, Los Angeles, California."
Hi Met, Sure happy to respond. Heritage is the only auction house that is transparent with reserves. Which is why you're seeing the $300,000 now. We allow bidding online for two weeks prior to the live auction, if the reserve is not met one week prior to the sale then the reserve is posted. We don't allow Chandelier bidding (link) as the other auction houses do. Single Lane Ahead is the correct artwork and has a corresponding Pest Control COA. As I discussed above, conservation was performed between the Phillips sale and now. To reiterate, the work was done initially on a "found" street sign so there were small areas of dirt, grim, and oxidation (as seen in the Phillips listing), which could have caused rusting and further deterioration. Pest Control and Banksy authorized this conversation, and the work was re-authenticated post-conservation (as of 2016). I can't speak to the artist's mind on why, but some elements changed were done in this conservation process were (likely) necessary for longevity and keeping with Banksy's original intention. This work was featured in the 2011 MOCA show. I hope this helps! Thank you for this. May I ask who actually did the conservation work? It would also be helpful to hear whether this was arranged by the consignor. Or, alternatively, if Pest Control Office took over the process from the outset and arranged the conservation work itself. __________ Once again, the outstanding issue is that, contrary to what you are claiming, the piece Heri tage Auctions is selling is not the same same piece that was exhibited at MOCA in 2011 and later consigned to Phil lips de Pury. Can you not see this? Just look at the high-res image of the street sign from Phil lips de Pury *, and compare it with your own images *. To all interested members, please do not take my word for it; I am but a random stranger on the internet. The evidence is freely available. Check for yourselves โ by making your own side-by-side, detailed comparisons of the two pieces. They are two different paintings on two different street signs. And this should be evident to anyone who's paying attention. Heritage Urban โ I am therefore unclear about whether you're responding: (a) in good faith, and you are simply careless and/or lack reasonable observational skills; (b) in bad faith, and being knowingly misleading; or (c) somewhere in between, such as self-delusion prompted by a vested interest in the sale. __________ The related-yet-separate point I can accept is that the piece you are selling is an authentic Ban ksy accompanied by a Pest Control Office COA. If we assume genuineness, here are a couple of possible explanations for the present situation:1. At least two Single Lane Ahead artworks were created by the artist in 2011 on different street signs as part of a series. The MOCA / Phil lips de Pury piece is one of them, and the Heri tage Auctions piece is a different one. 2. Around the time of re-authentication by Pest Control Office on 16 May 2017, the original artwork was swapped by Pest Control Office and replaced with a similar but different piece which was signed and backdated โ perhaps because the artist was no longer satisfied with the quality/execution of the original and wished to improve it. That is not inconsistent with some of Ban ksy's past actions. Moreover, if official city street signs may have (somewhat inconveniently) changed in size between 2011 and 2017, point 2 also offers a plausible reason for the 6.1 cm discrepancy in width dimension between the Phil lips de Pury piece ( 125.1 cm) and the one currently listed by Heri tage Auctions ( 119.0 cm). But either way, the MOCA / Phil lips de Pury piece is a different painting, on a different street sign, to the one being sold by Heri tage Auctions. This would mean the provenance details and exhibition history in the Heri tage Auctions listing could at best (if being truthful) state something along the lines of: "EXHIBITED:
A different piece from the same series as this artwork was exhibited at Art in the Streets, MOCA 2011, Los Angeles, California." |
|
|
|
avec art
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 3,727
๐๐ป 3,061
March 2014
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by avec art on Mar 28, 2023 19:23:42 GMT 1, I think we need to rewind back a bit. I'm not ready to make the assumption that they're 2 different pieces. If they really are 2 different sizes, that can't easily be explained by restoration. But it is possible to measure a diamond (tipped up square) shape in different ways. It's also possible to take a wrong measurement, stranger things have happened.
On the face of it, and I haven't looked very deeply, (size aside) the restoration version of events seems plausible. The metal post has changed and screws etc, but it seems to me like it's been very heavily cleaned, and mostly repainted, albeit differently to how it looked originally.
But places where paint is lost altogether are the same areas on the original pictures. The bend to the bottom of the sign appears to still be there.
If they are not the same sign, then someone has gone to great lengths to make it look as though it is the same artefact after going through a cleaning process. But I'm not convinced this is what has happened. There may be some private scrutiny/discussion which clearly demonstrates they're different pieces, but if that is the case it needs to be brought out in the open. On the basis of what we can see in this thread I think there is not enough evidence to show that.
I think we need to rewind back a bit. I'm not ready to make the assumption that they're 2 different pieces. If they really are 2 different sizes, that can't easily be explained by restoration. But it is possible to measure a diamond (tipped up square) shape in different ways. It's also possible to take a wrong measurement, stranger things have happened.
On the face of it, and I haven't looked very deeply, (size aside) the restoration version of events seems plausible. The metal post has changed and screws etc, but it seems to me like it's been very heavily cleaned, and mostly repainted, albeit differently to how it looked originally.
But places where paint is lost altogether are the same areas on the original pictures. The bend to the bottom of the sign appears to still be there.
If they are not the same sign, then someone has gone to great lengths to make it look as though it is the same artefact after going through a cleaning process. But I'm not convinced this is what has happened. There may be some private scrutiny/discussion which clearly demonstrates they're different pieces, but if that is the case it needs to be brought out in the open. On the basis of what we can see in this thread I think there is not enough evidence to show that.
|
|
Terry Fuckwitt
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 3,600
๐๐ป 6,562
October 2019
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 28, 2023 20:29:07 GMT 1, This sign is not too dissimilar to Trigger's broom from Only fools and horses
This sign is not too dissimilar to Trigger's broom from Only fools and horses
|
|
cemltz
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 496
๐๐ป 920
October 2022
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by cemltz on Mar 28, 2023 23:31:52 GMT 1, Met,
You obviously have a lot more experience than most here, and that is respected, but Iโm not sure I see enough to say that these are definitively different pieces. I believe HAโs representation of this as โcleaningโ and โconservationโ is horse shit. At the very least significant paint has clearly been removed and (more importantly in my mid) added to the pieces. I know we are more focused on Single lane, but the complete texture and presentation of Warning Sign has been changed.
I am (by design) not close to the operations of Pest Control, but canโt help but be surprised that this is stamped as โartist approvedโ.
Met,
You obviously have a lot more experience than most here, and that is respected, but Iโm not sure I see enough to say that these are definitively different pieces. I believe HAโs representation of this as โcleaningโ and โconservationโ is horse shit. At the very least significant paint has clearly been removed and (more importantly in my mid) added to the pieces. I know we are more focused on Single lane, but the complete texture and presentation of Warning Sign has been changed.
I am (by design) not close to the operations of Pest Control, but canโt help but be surprised that this is stamped as โartist approvedโ.
|
|
esfer
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 364
๐๐ป 303
November 2019
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by esfer on Mar 29, 2023 0:03:38 GMT 1, Met, You obviously have a lot more experience than most here, and that is respected, but Iโm not sure I see enough to say that these are definitively different pieces. I believe HAโs representation of this as โcleaningโ and โconservationโ is horse shit. At the very least significant paint has clearly been removed and (more importantly in my mid) added to the pieces. I know we are more focused on Single lane, but the complete texture and presentation of Warning Sign has been changed. I am (by design) not close to the operations of Pest Control, but canโt help but be surprised that this is stamped as โartist approvedโ.
And just to be clear, the original buyer decided to clean one of them, saw how terrible that idea was, then decided to do the other?
I just can't see it.
Met, You obviously have a lot more experience than most here, and that is respected, but Iโm not sure I see enough to say that these are definitively different pieces. I believe HAโs representation of this as โcleaningโ and โconservationโ is horse shit. At the very least significant paint has clearly been removed and (more importantly in my mid) added to the pieces. I know we are more focused on Single lane, but the complete texture and presentation of Warning Sign has been changed. I am (by design) not close to the operations of Pest Control, but canโt help but be surprised that this is stamped as โartist approvedโ. I couldn't agree more. I think these are amazingly well made fakes. When you compare the individual marks, line for line, from one piece to the other, they are utterly not the same. Some lines are thicker, some are thinner, some scuffs and scratches have ceased to exist, or their sprayed line shapes have completely changed. I for one don't buy any "they've been cleaned" idea. It would take a lot more than cleaning to have this many differences between old and new images of the same piece. And just to be clear, the original buyer decided to clean one of them, saw how terrible that idea was, then decided to do the other? I just can't see it. |
|
Terry Fuckwitt
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 3,600
๐๐ป 6,562
October 2019
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 29, 2023 0:14:22 GMT 1, You only have to look at the font styles to see they are not the same
You only have to look at the font styles to see they are not the same |
|
avec art
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 3,727
๐๐ป 3,061
March 2014
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by avec art on Mar 29, 2023 0:33:49 GMT 1, Two different signs, the latter one artificially distressed to appear like the former.
Two different signs, the latter one artificially distressed to appear like the former.
|
|
jp
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 431
๐๐ป 503
September 2006
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by jp on Mar 29, 2023 1:45:22 GMT 1, You only have to look at the font styles to see they are not the same
You only have to look at the font styles to see they are not the same I didn't even look at the font. My eyes went straight to the different screws. |
|
|
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Jules Leotard on Mar 29, 2023 5:51:12 GMT 1, You only have to look at the font styles to see they are not the same
You only have to look at the font styles to see they are not the same I couldn't help, but notice this too. It is kind of like the Bulgarian Peckham Rocks on ebay... |
|
|
|
Terry Fuckwitt
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 3,600
๐๐ป 6,562
October 2019
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 29, 2023 8:17:12 GMT 1, You only have to look at the font styles to see they are not the same I couldn't help, but notice this too. It is kind of like the Bulgarian Peckham Rocks on ebay...
You only have to look at the font styles to see they are not the same I couldn't help, but notice this too. It is kind of like the Bulgarian Peckham Rocks on ebay... Really? I didn't know fake Peckham rocks existed๐ |
|
|
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Crime in the City on Mar 29, 2023 11:01:00 GMT 1, I couldn't help, but notice this too. It is kind of like the Bulgarian Peckham Rocks on ebay... Really? I didn't know fake Peckham rocks existed๐
I couldn't help, but notice this too. It is kind of like the Bulgarian Peckham Rocks on ebay... Really? I didn't know fake Peckham rocks existed๐ Plovdiv Rocks |
|
|
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Jules Leotard on Mar 29, 2023 18:28:59 GMT 1, I couldn't help, but notice this too. It is kind of like the Bulgarian Peckham Rocks on ebay... Really? I didn't know fake Peckham rocks existed๐
I couldn't help, but notice this too. It is kind of like the Bulgarian Peckham Rocks on ebay... Really? I didn't know fake Peckham rocks existed๐ Font from Bulge is fatter than "issue" font (at least to my eyes?). UK font appears to be TNR. Also, wood grain versus off-white... |
|
|
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Crime in the City on Mar 29, 2023 18:30:38 GMT 1, Really? I didn't know fake Peckham rocks existed๐ Font from Bulge is fatter than "issue" font (at least to my eyes?).
Really? I didn't know fake Peckham rocks existed๐ Font from Bulge is fatter than "issue" font (at least to my eyes?). The Bulgarians got a tan too... |
|
|
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Jules Leotard on Mar 29, 2023 18:34:00 GMT 1, Font from Bulge is fatter than "issue" font (at least to my eyes?). The Bulgarians got a tan too...
Font from Bulge is fatter than "issue" font (at least to my eyes?). The Bulgarians got a tan too... verrrrr nice price. |
|
cemltz
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 496
๐๐ป 920
October 2022
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by cemltz on Mar 29, 2023 18:44:33 GMT 1, Outside my hotel in Edinburgh: looks like Banksyโs new piece is combining Warning Sign and Single Laneโฆtaking a lot of will power to not steal it and doctor is upโฆmaybe after a few pints tonightโฆ
Outside my hotel in Edinburgh: looks like Banksyโs new piece is combining Warning Sign and Single Laneโฆtaking a lot of will power to not steal it and doctor is upโฆmaybe after a few pints tonightโฆ |
|
Terry Fuckwitt
Junior Member
๐จ๏ธ 3,600
๐๐ป 6,562
October 2019
|
Heritage Auctions ๐บ๐ฒ, by Terry Fuckwitt on Mar 29, 2023 18:48:18 GMT 1, Font from Bulge is fatter than "issue" font (at least to my eyes?). The Bulgarians got a tan too... 
Font from Bulge is fatter than "issue" font (at least to my eyes?). The Bulgarians got a tan too... Stored in non archival sleeve in a greenhouse |
|
bookends
New Member
๐จ๏ธ 374
๐๐ป 465
May 2022
|
|
|
