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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 11:51:53 GMT 1, TIME WILL TELL. HISTORY WOULD SUGGEST OTHERWISE.
TIME WILL TELL. HISTORY WOULD SUGGEST OTHERWISE.
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by drip on Aug 2, 2024 11:55:27 GMT 1, *crisis team has entered the chat*
*crisis team has entered the chat*
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 12:10:32 GMT 1, In this day and age it will of course finish him off, it's impossible to separate art from the artist. Anthony Lister and the #MeToo Movement
#MeToo Movementโs has the capacity to vindicate womenโs rights or destroy its own credibility and set back the cause of women โ a cause which should be adopted by us all.
In the late 40โs and 50โs, it was easy to accuse and black- ban so-called โCommunistsโ and โFellow Travellersโ. There were โReds under the bed.โ For hundreds of years, Lesbians and assertive women in Europe and America were denounced as witches, tortured and even burned alive. Gay people and their sexual practices were criminalised until the early to mid-eighties in Australia.
Now it is unsafe and a huge reputational risk to defend what may be unsubstantiated and under-investigated charges against a leading Australian artist, Anthony Lister or against other men, who are similarly accused, of taking sexual advantage of women.
The #MeToo movement puts itself at risk, when it rushes to judgement and invites others to do so, too. The reputations of great talents may be indelibly sullied by rookie cops who lap up the prospect of putting someone famous on trial, even when the evidence may be thin at best.
It is very easy to make claims about what went on behind closed doors and such claims are more often made against the rich or famous โ sometimes because they have something that their accusers want; mostly because such celebrities are capable of buying sexual favours and also , of exploiting their power to demand them.
It is not so easy to prove, for a variety of reasons, often including because the allegations may not be true. #MeToo can be both about giving other women the courage to come forward or dishonest and avaricious opportunists the chance to jump on a bandwagon.
If #MeToo empowers victims it is good. If it is taken over by liars or hijacked by neurotic misandrists, it will be discredited like McCarthyism and do the Womenโs Movement a great disservice, taking a few male scalps along the way โ of both the innocent and the guilty โ because to date the movement has shown neither temperance nor discernment.
Stop victimising men without proof and end ill-informed boycotts and knee-jerk vilification.
In this day and age it will of course finish him off, it's impossible to separate art from the artist. Anthony Lister and the #MeToo Movement #MeToo Movementโs has the capacity to vindicate womenโs rights or destroy its own credibility and set back the cause of women โ a cause which should be adopted by us all. In the late 40โs and 50โs, it was easy to accuse and black- ban so-called โCommunistsโ and โFellow Travellersโ. There were โReds under the bed.โ For hundreds of years, Lesbians and assertive women in Europe and America were denounced as witches, tortured and even burned alive. Gay people and their sexual practices were criminalised until the early to mid-eighties in Australia. Now it is unsafe and a huge reputational risk to defend what may be unsubstantiated and under-investigated charges against a leading Australian artist, Anthony Lister or against other men, who are similarly accused, of taking sexual advantage of women. The #MeToo movement puts itself at risk, when it rushes to judgement and invites others to do so, too. The reputations of great talents may be indelibly sullied by rookie cops who lap up the prospect of putting someone famous on trial, even when the evidence may be thin at best. It is very easy to make claims about what went on behind closed doors and such claims are more often made against the rich or famous โ sometimes because they have something that their accusers want; mostly because such celebrities are capable of buying sexual favours and also , of exploiting their power to demand them. It is not so easy to prove, for a variety of reasons, often including because the allegations may not be true. #MeToo can be both about giving other women the courage to come forward or dishonest and avaricious opportunists the chance to jump on a bandwagon. If #MeToo empowers victims it is good. If it is taken over by liars or hijacked by neurotic misandrists, it will be discredited like McCarthyism and do the Womenโs Movement a great disservice, taking a few male scalps along the way โ of both the innocent and the guilty โ because to date the movement has shown neither temperance nor discernment. Stop victimising men without proof and end ill-informed boycotts and knee-jerk vilification.
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by zacksz 123123 on Aug 2, 2024 12:29:43 GMT 1, The post of someone who has invested too much into this artist
The post of someone who has invested too much into this artist
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 12:35:21 GMT 1, This reminds me of the times my late father would walk into random pubs, shouting, "WHO WANTS A FIGHT THEN?" Typical, great roll model for a child to have. Makes a lot of sense when its unpacked like this doesn't it;โฆ
Here you are recalling yourself (as a child) watching your father walking into pubs and asking random strangers to fight him. He must've been a real tough guy, a true cultured man right? a renaissance man im sureโฆ But here you are - the son of a 'shouting fighting father', a keyboard pub brawler no doubt, behaving like your father in that good old fashioned bully type pick on the weak ones type guy, yeah? Correct me if im wrong. But you're on a art forum, not in a pub. Its such cliche Freudian psychology, I am almost embarrassed for the transparency you publicly exhibit. How is it that despite being raised by a tyrant and a brute that you somehow remain void of any spine worth of any salt at all? The fact that you latch onto the closest most safe zone Lynch mob mentality in order to feel a sense of community is a testament to the damage your father did to you.
I hope you can rise above the petty bitterness that lives deep inside you one day and grow up. Hopefully it is not too late for your children
This reminds me of the times my late father would walk into random pubs, shouting, "WHO WANTS A FIGHT THEN?" Typical, great roll model for a child to have. Makes a lot of sense when its unpacked like this doesn't it;โฆ Here you are recalling yourself (as a child) watching your father walking into pubs and asking random strangers to fight him. He must've been a real tough guy, a true cultured man right? a renaissance man im sureโฆ But here you are - the son of a 'shouting fighting father', a keyboard pub brawler no doubt, behaving like your father in that good old fashioned bully type pick on the weak ones type guy, yeah? Correct me if im wrong. But you're on a art forum, not in a pub. Its such cliche Freudian psychology, I am almost embarrassed for the transparency you publicly exhibit. How is it that despite being raised by a tyrant and a brute that you somehow remain void of any spine worth of any salt at all? The fact that you latch onto the closest most safe zone Lynch mob mentality in order to feel a sense of community is a testament to the damage your father did to you. I hope you can rise above the petty bitterness that lives deep inside you one day and grow up. Hopefully it is not too late for your children
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by Londown 01 on Aug 2, 2024 12:37:26 GMT 1, This reminds me of the times my late father would walk into random pubs, shouting, "WHO WANTS A FIGHT THEN?" Correct me if im wrong. Everything you say is wrong. It would take too much time and effort to go into details ...
This reminds me of the times my late father would walk into random pubs, shouting, "WHO WANTS A FIGHT THEN?" Correct me if im wrong. Everything you say is wrong. It would take too much time and effort to go into details ...
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 12:50:23 GMT 1, The post of someone who has invested too much into this artist Not at all. Just an art lover that can still see the ARTWORK. Focusing on negative elements of an artists personal life, either hypothetical or otherwise is not what the ARTWORK is about. If that was the case, im sure most of your favourite writers, actors, philosophers, musicians etc would have you lost for idols. Maybe time to give that Tina Turner record a dust off hey champ- lol
how old are you kids, is this an art forum or a playschool afternoon babysitters club chatroom. anybody on here even study art history pre1999? Banksyd be laughing his ass off reading y'all stupid neg try hard bully bullshit
The post of someone who has invested too much into this artist Not at all. Just an art lover that can still see the ARTWORK. Focusing on negative elements of an artists personal life, either hypothetical or otherwise is not what the ARTWORK is about. If that was the case, im sure most of your favourite writers, actors, philosophers, musicians etc would have you lost for idols. Maybe time to give that Tina Turner record a dust off hey champ- lol how old are you kids, is this an art forum or a playschool afternoon babysitters club chatroom. anybody on here even study art history pre1999? Banksyd be laughing his ass off reading y'all stupid neg try hard bully bullshit
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 12:57:28 GMT 1, cmon you can do it, we can wait. just breath and use your words. we want to hear you out. fair open dialogue. remember?โฆ like before it was just about being a haterโฆ "you can do it Peter" (insert the scene from hook when the fat black kid his trying to teach peterpan how to use his imagination again)
cmon you can do it, we can wait. just breath and use your words. we want to hear you out. fair open dialogue. remember?โฆ like before it was just about being a haterโฆ "you can do it Peter" (insert the scene from hook when the fat black kid his trying to teach peterpan how to use his imagination again)
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by Happy Shopper on Aug 2, 2024 12:58:58 GMT 1, What is the real situation with the cases against him? I thought he was going to court, but then heard no more about it. Is there a date for a trial, or anything like that??
What is the real situation with the cases against him? I thought he was going to court, but then heard no more about it. Is there a date for a trial, or anything like that??
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 12:59:11 GMT 1, Everything you say is wrong. It would take too much time and effort to go into details ... cmon you can do it, we can wait. just breath and use your words. we want to hear you out. fair open dialogue. remember?โฆ like before it was just about being a haterโฆ "you can do it Peter" (insert the scene from hook when the fat black kid is trying to teach peterpan how to use his imagination again)
Everything you say is wrong. It would take too much time and effort to go into details ... cmon you can do it, we can wait. just breath and use your words. we want to hear you out. fair open dialogue. remember?โฆ like before it was just about being a haterโฆ "you can do it Peter" (insert the scene from hook when the fat black kid is trying to teach peterpan how to use his imagination again)
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by mojo on Aug 2, 2024 12:59:50 GMT 1, Obviously by law its up to the judge to discern whether he is guilty of rape or not, not an online art forum. I believe he is charged with the sexual assault and or rape of five different women? As for the Drugs and weapons that were found in his possession along with the GBH cases that they have actual evidence of its not looking good for him really is it? I certainly wouldn't want any of my nieces anywhere near him and you definitely shouldn't get let off such serious crimes as rape and sexual assault just because you can paint pretty pictures. Why has it taken so long for this to go to court?
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Obviously by law its up to the judge to discern whether he is guilty of rape or not, not an online art forum. I believe he is charged with the sexual assault and or rape of five different women? As for the Drugs and weapons that were found in his possession along with the GBH cases that they have actual evidence of its not looking good for him really is it? I certainly wouldn't want any of my nieces anywhere near him and you definitely shouldn't get let off such serious crimes as rape and sexual assault just because you can paint pretty pictures. Why has it taken so long for this to go to court? link
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 13:01:00 GMT 1, What is the real situation with the cases against him? I thought he was going to court, but then heard no more about it. Is there a date for a trial, or anything like that?? gosh who knowsโฆ nearly 5 years and still no trialโฆ what does that even mean?
What is the real situation with the cases against him? I thought he was going to court, but then heard no more about it. Is there a date for a trial, or anything like that?? gosh who knowsโฆ nearly 5 years and still no trialโฆ what does that even mean?
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 13:11:06 GMT 1, Obviously by law its up to the judge to discern whether he is guilty of rape or not, not an online art forum. I believe he is charged with the sexual assault and or rape of five different women? As for the Drugs and weapons that were found in his possession along with the GBH cases that they have actual evidence of it'not looking good for him really is it? I certainly wouldn't want any of my nieces anywhere near him and you definitely shouldn't get let off such serious crimes as rape and sexual assault just because you can paint pretty pictures. Why has it taken so long for this to go to court? link I agree completely. gotta admit though, considering he denied all of the charges- one has to wonder; in the light of it being almost 5 years after the sensational media spectacle being splashed around the world and still no trial or convictionsโฆ when here is a man still making his ART and operating in society as a free manโฆ ,makes you wonder what roll the media played in the whole 'me-too' of it all. not to mention that at the time of his arrest; I recall wasn't that the start of covid? Makes me question certain motivations of those whom see fit to accuse someone whom at the time could have been perceived as riding well on a relative wave of success โฆ
Obviously by law its up to the judge to discern whether he is guilty of rape or not, not an online art forum. I believe he is charged with the sexual assault and or rape of five different women? As for the Drugs and weapons that were found in his possession along with the GBH cases that they have actual evidence of it'not looking good for him really is it? I certainly wouldn't want any of my nieces anywhere near him and you definitely shouldn't get let off such serious crimes as rape and sexual assault just because you can paint pretty pictures. Why has it taken so long for this to go to court? linkI agree completely. gotta admit though, considering he denied all of the charges- one has to wonder; in the light of it being almost 5 years after the sensational media spectacle being splashed around the world and still no trial or convictionsโฆ when here is a man still making his ART and operating in society as a free manโฆ ,makes you wonder what roll the media played in the whole 'me-too' of it all. not to mention that at the time of his arrest; I recall wasn't that the start of covid? Makes me question certain motivations of those whom see fit to accuse someone whom at the time could have been perceived as riding well on a relative wave of success โฆ
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 13:42:09 GMT 1, y'all haters need to take a good long look at yourselves and check your egos hey Thank you for sharing. (edit: since you liked the post, I thought I should add that I was being sarcastic) well thank you so much for clearing that up.
and here I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you actually weren't as stupid as you have just displayed. Naturally I should not have assumed your 9th grade intellect truly understood sarcasm. I apologise, it was never my intention to make 'special' people like you feel inadequate or the need to edit your posts. Just to be clear, and all sarcasm aside- I sincerely really care what you think
y'all haters need to take a good long look at yourselves and check your egos hey Thank you for sharing. (edit: since you liked the post, I thought I should add that I was being sarcastic) well thank you so much for clearing that up. and here I was giving you the benefit of the doubt by assuming you actually weren't as stupid as you have just displayed. Naturally I should not have assumed your 9th grade intellect truly understood sarcasm. I apologise, it was never my intention to make 'special' people like you feel inadequate or the need to edit your posts. Just to be clear, and all sarcasm aside- I sincerely really care what you think
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by Fluffy Pillow on Aug 2, 2024 13:53:58 GMT 1, His art is just as shitty as his rape tactics. Highly doubt you would be on an art forum supporting a suspected rapist if your wife, girlfriend, mother, sister, daughter, aunt, etc. had been raped.
His art is just as shitty as his rape tactics. Highly doubt you would be on an art forum supporting a suspected rapist if your wife, girlfriend, mother, sister, daughter, aunt, etc. had been raped.
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by mojo on Aug 2, 2024 13:57:07 GMT 1, Obviously by law its up to the judge to discern whether he is guilty of rape or not, not an online art forum. I believe he is charged with the sexual assault and or rape of five different women? As for the Drugs and weapons that were found in his possession along with the GBH cases that they have actual evidence of it'not looking good for him really is it? I certainly wouldn't want any of my nieces anywhere near him and you definitely shouldn't get let off such serious crimes as rape and sexual assault just because you can paint pretty pictures. Why has it taken so long for this to go to court? linkI agree completely. gotta admit though, considering he denied all of the charges- one has to wonder; in the light of it being almost 5 years after the sensational media spectacle being splashed around the world and still no trial or convictionsโฆ when here is a man still making his ART and operating in society as a free manโฆ ,makes you wonder what roll the media played in the whole 'me-too' of it all. not to mention that at the time of his arrest; I recall wasn't that the start of covid? Makes me question certain motivations of those whom see fit to accuse someone whom at the time could have been perceived as riding well on a relative wave of success โฆ 'Trial by media' may be the only defence he has going for his case at the moment? It's wrong to judge anyone, guilty or innocent, before a trial just to sell news, as it can totally cloud any juries perception of the truth and in many cases even the guilty can get off on the grounds that that has been the case. I hope he is now far more discerning about his conduct, particularly around women, that type of accusation never really goes away.
Obviously by law its up to the judge to discern whether he is guilty of rape or not, not an online art forum. I believe he is charged with the sexual assault and or rape of five different women? As for the Drugs and weapons that were found in his possession along with the GBH cases that they have actual evidence of it'not looking good for him really is it? I certainly wouldn't want any of my nieces anywhere near him and you definitely shouldn't get let off such serious crimes as rape and sexual assault just because you can paint pretty pictures. Why has it taken so long for this to go to court? linkI agree completely. gotta admit though, considering he denied all of the charges- one has to wonder; in the light of it being almost 5 years after the sensational media spectacle being splashed around the world and still no trial or convictionsโฆ when here is a man still making his ART and operating in society as a free manโฆ ,makes you wonder what roll the media played in the whole 'me-too' of it all. not to mention that at the time of his arrest; I recall wasn't that the start of covid? Makes me question certain motivations of those whom see fit to accuse someone whom at the time could have been perceived as riding well on a relative wave of success โฆ 'Trial by media' may be the only defence he has going for his case at the moment? It's wrong to judge anyone, guilty or innocent, before a trial just to sell news, as it can totally cloud any juries perception of the truth and in many cases even the guilty can get off on the grounds that that has been the case. I hope he is now far more discerning about his conduct, particularly around women, that type of accusation never really goes away.
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by Acme Thunderer on Aug 2, 2024 14:24:30 GMT 1, I was just reminiscing the times when the forum was clogged up with the Glastonbury thread. At least discussing some rumoured posters was better than discussing an alleged rapist.
Iโve now blocked this nobody as we are sure to get 500 more posts on the topic.
I was just reminiscing the times when the forum was clogged up with the Glastonbury thread. At least discussing some rumoured posters was better than discussing an alleged rapist.
Iโve now blocked this nobody as we are sure to get 500 more posts on the topic.
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 14:25:12 GMT 1, His art is just as shitty as his rape tactics. Highly doubt you would be on an art forum supporting a suspected rapist if your wife, girlfriend, mother, sister, daughter, aunt, etc. had been raped. dude hasn't even had his case in front of a judgeโฆ dude denies all chargesโฆ what part of that makes him a convicted rapist? are you okay dude?
this is a forum about ART remember? not sure what you mean by 'rape tactics'? but maybe time for some treatment dude. there are numbers you can call to talk to people that can help you work through your trauma hey. sorry to hear about your wife, gf, mother, sister, daughter and auntyโฆ that must be tough. if I were you; id be getting them some self defence lessons or at least a firearm licence. take care. long live democracy
His art is just as shitty as his rape tactics. Highly doubt you would be on an art forum supporting a suspected rapist if your wife, girlfriend, mother, sister, daughter, aunt, etc. had been raped. dude hasn't even had his case in front of a judgeโฆ dude denies all chargesโฆ what part of that makes him a convicted rapist? are you okay dude? this is a forum about ART remember? not sure what you mean by 'rape tactics'? but maybe time for some treatment dude. there are numbers you can call to talk to people that can help you work through your trauma hey. sorry to hear about your wife, gf, mother, sister, daughter and auntyโฆ that must be tough. if I were you; id be getting them some self defence lessons or at least a firearm licence. take care. long live democracy
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 14:27:13 GMT 1, I was just reminiscing the times when the forum was clogged up with the Glastonbury thread. At least discussing some rumoured posters was better than discussing an alleged rapist. Iโve now blocked this nobody as we are sure to get 500 more posts on the topic. freedom of speech? her today / wrong tomorrow hey...
I was just reminiscing the times when the forum was clogged up with the Glastonbury thread. At least discussing some rumoured posters was better than discussing an alleged rapist. Iโve now blocked this nobody as we are sure to get 500 more posts on the topic. freedom of speech? her today / wrong tomorrow hey...
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by STP on Aug 2, 2024 14:35:31 GMT 1, His art is just as shitty as his rape tactics. Highly doubt you would be on an art forum supporting a suspected rapist if your wife, girlfriend, mother, sister, daughter, aunt, etc. had been raped. dude hasn't even had his case in front of a judgeโฆ dude denies all chargesโฆ what part of that makes him a convicted rapist? are you okay dude? Fluffy Pillow said 'suspected', not, as you say, 'convicted'.
Can you read, dude?
His art is just as shitty as his rape tactics. Highly doubt you would be on an art forum supporting a suspected rapist if your wife, girlfriend, mother, sister, daughter, aunt, etc. had been raped. dude hasn't even had his case in front of a judgeโฆ dude denies all chargesโฆ what part of that makes him a convicted rapist? are you okay dude? Fluffy Pillow said 'suspected', not, as you say, 'convicted'.
Can you read, dude?
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by Londown 01 on Aug 2, 2024 14:48:16 GMT 1, Iโve now blocked this nobody love the silence
Iโve now blocked this nobody love the silence
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by Fluffy Pillow on Aug 2, 2024 14:53:12 GMT 1, His art is just as shitty as his rape tactics. Highly doubt you would be on an art forum supporting a suspected rapist if your wife, girlfriend, mother, sister, daughter, aunt, etc. had been raped. dude hasn't even had his case in front of a judgeโฆ dude denies all chargesโฆ what part of that makes him a convicted rapist? are you okay dude? this is a forum about ART remember? not sure what you mean by 'rape tactics'? but maybe time for some treatment dude. there are numbers you can call to talk to people that can help you work through your trauma hey. sorry to hear about your wife, gf, mother, sister, daughter and auntyโฆ that must be tough. if I were you; id be getting them some self defence lessons or at least a firearm licence. take care. long live democracy This will be my last response regarding this thread. Let us watch the trial play out. But by no means would I ever consider speaking loudy, as you have, for a suspected rapist, given the accusations. Nor will I vote for one. Be considerate, not an incel.
Insofar as the art, it is a mess.
His art is just as shitty as his rape tactics. Highly doubt you would be on an art forum supporting a suspected rapist if your wife, girlfriend, mother, sister, daughter, aunt, etc. had been raped. dude hasn't even had his case in front of a judgeโฆ dude denies all chargesโฆ what part of that makes him a convicted rapist? are you okay dude? this is a forum about ART remember? not sure what you mean by 'rape tactics'? but maybe time for some treatment dude. there are numbers you can call to talk to people that can help you work through your trauma hey. sorry to hear about your wife, gf, mother, sister, daughter and auntyโฆ that must be tough. if I were you; id be getting them some self defence lessons or at least a firearm licence. take care. long live democracy This will be my last response regarding this thread. Let us watch the trial play out. But by no means would I ever consider speaking loudy, as you have, for a suspected rapist, given the accusations. Nor will I vote for one. Be considerate, not an incel. Insofar as the art, it is a mess.
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by Acme Thunderer on Aug 2, 2024 14:53:20 GMT 1, Iโve now blocked this nobody love the silence Although, I do think the thread title reads as if he hasnโt r@ped anyone in 2024. Shame about the alleged previous years.
Iโve now blocked this nobody love the silence Although, I do think the thread title reads as if he hasnโt r@ped anyone in 2024. Shame about the alleged previous years.
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 14:53:36 GMT 1, dude hasn't even had his case in front of a judgeโฆ dude denies all chargesโฆ what part of that makes him a convicted rapist? are you okay dude? Fluffy Pillow said 'suspected', not, as you say, 'convicted'.
Can you read, dude?
hmmm and your point is?
what if your brother, son, father, friend etc was 'suspected'/'accused' of such disgusting actsโฆ?
think about that
dude hasn't even had his case in front of a judgeโฆ dude denies all chargesโฆ what part of that makes him a convicted rapist? are you okay dude? Fluffy Pillow said 'suspected', not, as you say, 'convicted'.
Can you read, dude?
hmmm and your point is? what if your brother, son, father, friend etc was 'suspected'/'accused' of such disgusting actsโฆ? think about that
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by LJCal on Aug 2, 2024 15:24:40 GMT 1, In this day and age it will of course finish him off, it's impossible to separate art from the artist. Anthony Lister and the #MeToo Movement #MeToo Movementโs has the capacity to vindicate womenโs rights or destroy its own credibility and set back the cause of women โ a cause which should be adopted by us all. In the late 40โs and 50โs, it was easy to accuse and black- ban so-called โCommunistsโ and โFellow Travellersโ. There were โReds under the bed.โ For hundreds of years, Lesbians and assertive women in Europe and America were denounced as witches, tortured and even burned alive. Gay people and their sexual practices were criminalised until the early to mid-eighties in Australia. Now it is unsafe and a huge reputational risk to defend what may be unsubstantiated and under-investigated charges against a leading Australian artist, Anthony Lister or against other men, who are similarly accused, of taking sexual advantage of women. The #MeToo movement puts itself at risk, when it rushes to judgement and invites others to do so, too. The reputations of great talents may be indelibly sullied by rookie cops who lap up the prospect of putting someone famous on trial, even when the evidence may be thin at best. It is very easy to make claims about what went on behind closed doors and such claims are more often made against the rich or famous โ sometimes because they have something that their accusers want; mostly because such celebrities are capable of buying sexual favours and also , of exploiting their power to demand them. It is not so easy to prove, for a variety of reasons, often including because the allegations may not be true. #MeToo can be both about giving other women the courage to come forward or dishonest and avaricious opportunists the chance to jump on a bandwagon. If #MeToo empowers victims it is good. If it is taken over by liars or hijacked by neurotic misandrists, it will be discredited like McCarthyism and do the Womenโs Movement a great disservice, taking a few male scalps along the way โ of both the innocent and the guilty โ because to date the movement has shown neither temperance nor discernment. Stop victimising men without proof and end ill-informed boycotts and knee-jerk vilification. I don't make the rules mate. I don't disagree with some of what you're saying, many people have been convicted in the court of public opinion only to be found innocent or certianly not the monster they were potrayed to be by the media. I think in his case there were multiple unrealted accusers and strong evidence against him so I'm not sure the reputational damage was undeserved. In a perfect world yes people should be presumed innocent until proven guilty but we live in a 24 hour media world which when it comes to the public makes it impossible. I also think art and artist should generally be seperated however that's just impossible to do in some cases where they commit particularly heinous crimes.
In this day and age it will of course finish him off, it's impossible to separate art from the artist. Anthony Lister and the #MeToo Movement #MeToo Movementโs has the capacity to vindicate womenโs rights or destroy its own credibility and set back the cause of women โ a cause which should be adopted by us all. In the late 40โs and 50โs, it was easy to accuse and black- ban so-called โCommunistsโ and โFellow Travellersโ. There were โReds under the bed.โ For hundreds of years, Lesbians and assertive women in Europe and America were denounced as witches, tortured and even burned alive. Gay people and their sexual practices were criminalised until the early to mid-eighties in Australia. Now it is unsafe and a huge reputational risk to defend what may be unsubstantiated and under-investigated charges against a leading Australian artist, Anthony Lister or against other men, who are similarly accused, of taking sexual advantage of women. The #MeToo movement puts itself at risk, when it rushes to judgement and invites others to do so, too. The reputations of great talents may be indelibly sullied by rookie cops who lap up the prospect of putting someone famous on trial, even when the evidence may be thin at best. It is very easy to make claims about what went on behind closed doors and such claims are more often made against the rich or famous โ sometimes because they have something that their accusers want; mostly because such celebrities are capable of buying sexual favours and also , of exploiting their power to demand them. It is not so easy to prove, for a variety of reasons, often including because the allegations may not be true. #MeToo can be both about giving other women the courage to come forward or dishonest and avaricious opportunists the chance to jump on a bandwagon. If #MeToo empowers victims it is good. If it is taken over by liars or hijacked by neurotic misandrists, it will be discredited like McCarthyism and do the Womenโs Movement a great disservice, taking a few male scalps along the way โ of both the innocent and the guilty โ because to date the movement has shown neither temperance nor discernment. Stop victimising men without proof and end ill-informed boycotts and knee-jerk vilification. I don't make the rules mate. I don't disagree with some of what you're saying, many people have been convicted in the court of public opinion only to be found innocent or certianly not the monster they were potrayed to be by the media. I think in his case there were multiple unrealted accusers and strong evidence against him so I'm not sure the reputational damage was undeserved. In a perfect world yes people should be presumed innocent until proven guilty but we live in a 24 hour media world which when it comes to the public makes it impossible. I also think art and artist should generally be seperated however that's just impossible to do in some cases where they commit particularly heinous crimes.
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 15:53:23 GMT 1, Anthony Lister and the #MeToo Movement #MeToo Movementโs has the capacity to vindicate womenโs rights or destroy its own credibility and set back the cause of women โ a cause which should be adopted by us all. In the late 40โs and 50โs, it was easy to accuse and black- ban so-called โCommunistsโ and โFellow Travellersโ. There were โReds under the bed.โ For hundreds of years, Lesbians and assertive women in Europe and America were denounced as witches, tortured and even burned alive. Gay people and their sexual practices were criminalised until the early to mid-eighties in Australia. Now it is unsafe and a huge reputational risk to defend what may be unsubstantiated and under-investigated charges against a leading Australian artist, Anthony Lister or against other men, who are similarly accused, of taking sexual advantage of women. The #MeToo movement puts itself at risk, when it rushes to judgement and invites others to do so, too. The reputations of great talents may be indelibly sullied by rookie cops who lap up the prospect of putting someone famous on trial, even when the evidence may be thin at best. It is very easy to make claims about what went on behind closed doors and such claims are more often made against the rich or famous โ sometimes because they have something that their accusers want; mostly because such celebrities are capable of buying sexual favours and also , of exploiting their power to demand them. It is not so easy to prove, for a variety of reasons, often including because the allegations may not be true. #MeToo can be both about giving other women the courage to come forward or dishonest and avaricious opportunists the chance to jump on a bandwagon. If #MeToo empowers victims it is good. If it is taken over by liars or hijacked by neurotic misandrists, it will be discredited like McCarthyism and do the Womenโs Movement a great disservice, taking a few male scalps along the way โ of both the innocent and the guilty โ because to date the movement has shown neither temperance nor discernment. Stop victimising men without proof and end ill-informed boycotts and knee-jerk vilification. I don't make the rules mate. I don't disagree with some of what you're saying, many people have been convicted in the court of public opinion only to be found innocent or certianly not the monster they were potrayed to be by the media. I think in his case there were multiple unrealted accusers and strong evidence against him so I'm not sure the reputational damage was undeserved. In a perfect world yes people should be presumed innocent until proven guilty but we live in a 24 hour media world which when it comes to the public makes it impossible. I also think art and artist should generally be seperated however that's just impossible to do in some cases where they commit particularly heinoes crimes. I appreciate your considered response, thanks you. I actually spent some time articulating myself in previous posts, but unfortunately they have ALL been deleted by a junior member named ( ACME THUNDERER ) It is unfortunate that civil objective conversation can be censored at the whim of a junior member here without it having to be double checked by a higher administrative personnel. At risk of sounding rude, I find it humourously ironic that such disregard for the freedom of speech and savy censoring of sensible and well thought out opinions could be executed with such zest on a forum about a subculture whom origins stem from the practice of 'street art' and graffiti.
Geez, this whole thread and the sheer audacity to have members silenced is almost worth writing a paper based on the hypocritical subject of irony only, kind off leaves the 5yr old matter in question for dead
Anthony Lister and the #MeToo Movement #MeToo Movementโs has the capacity to vindicate womenโs rights or destroy its own credibility and set back the cause of women โ a cause which should be adopted by us all. In the late 40โs and 50โs, it was easy to accuse and black- ban so-called โCommunistsโ and โFellow Travellersโ. There were โReds under the bed.โ For hundreds of years, Lesbians and assertive women in Europe and America were denounced as witches, tortured and even burned alive. Gay people and their sexual practices were criminalised until the early to mid-eighties in Australia. Now it is unsafe and a huge reputational risk to defend what may be unsubstantiated and under-investigated charges against a leading Australian artist, Anthony Lister or against other men, who are similarly accused, of taking sexual advantage of women. The #MeToo movement puts itself at risk, when it rushes to judgement and invites others to do so, too. The reputations of great talents may be indelibly sullied by rookie cops who lap up the prospect of putting someone famous on trial, even when the evidence may be thin at best. It is very easy to make claims about what went on behind closed doors and such claims are more often made against the rich or famous โ sometimes because they have something that their accusers want; mostly because such celebrities are capable of buying sexual favours and also , of exploiting their power to demand them. It is not so easy to prove, for a variety of reasons, often including because the allegations may not be true. #MeToo can be both about giving other women the courage to come forward or dishonest and avaricious opportunists the chance to jump on a bandwagon. If #MeToo empowers victims it is good. If it is taken over by liars or hijacked by neurotic misandrists, it will be discredited like McCarthyism and do the Womenโs Movement a great disservice, taking a few male scalps along the way โ of both the innocent and the guilty โ because to date the movement has shown neither temperance nor discernment. Stop victimising men without proof and end ill-informed boycotts and knee-jerk vilification. I don't make the rules mate. I don't disagree with some of what you're saying, many people have been convicted in the court of public opinion only to be found innocent or certianly not the monster they were potrayed to be by the media. I think in his case there were multiple unrealted accusers and strong evidence against him so I'm not sure the reputational damage was undeserved. In a perfect world yes people should be presumed innocent until proven guilty but we live in a 24 hour media world which when it comes to the public makes it impossible. I also think art and artist should generally be seperated however that's just impossible to do in some cases where they commit particularly heinoes crimes. I appreciate your considered response, thanks you. I actually spent some time articulating myself in previous posts, but unfortunately they have ALL been deleted by a junior member named ( ACME THUNDERER ) It is unfortunate that civil objective conversation can be censored at the whim of a junior member here without it having to be double checked by a higher administrative personnel. At risk of sounding rude, I find it humourously ironic that such disregard for the freedom of speech and savy censoring of sensible and well thought out opinions could be executed with such zest on a forum about a subculture whom origins stem from the practice of 'street art' and graffiti. Geez, this whole thread and the sheer audacity to have members silenced is almost worth writing a paper based on the hypocritical subject of irony only, kind off leaves the 5yr old matter in question for dead
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by STP on Aug 2, 2024 16:07:15 GMT 1, nobody777, do you know Lister personally?
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 16:07:52 GMT 1, Although, I do think the thread title reads as if he hasnโt r@ped anyone in 2024. Shame about the alleged previous years. Q: why?
A: you can't handle the truth.
Although, I do think the thread title reads as if he hasnโt r@ped anyone in 2024. Shame about the alleged previous years. Q: why? A: you can't handle the truth.
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by nobody777 on Aug 2, 2024 16:35:05 GMT 1, Feels like iv known him my whole life tbh. Dudes super open online & in that doco. Dudes website n YouTube etc kept pretty reg. Look, I choose to remain neutral on the matter until it's all been heard through the courts and I feel that's the least I can do for him as a longterm fan of his practice. The dude deserve the benefit of the doubt in my mind if he denies any wrong doings. 5yrs is a very long time to be waiting for a trial. Think about it...
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Feels like iv known him my whole life tbh. Dudes super open online & in that doco. Dudes website n YouTube etc kept pretty reg. Look, I choose to remain neutral on the matter until it's all been heard through the courts and I feel that's the least I can do for him as a longterm fan of his practice. The dude deserve the benefit of the doubt in my mind if he denies any wrong doings. 5yrs is a very long time to be waiting for a trial. Think about it... image storage
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Anthony Lister ๐ฆ๐บ Australian Contemporary Artist, by STP on Aug 2, 2024 16:57:42 GMT 1, Look, I choose to remain neutral on the matter until it's all been heard through the courts
Make your fucking mind up...
Look, I choose to remain neutral on the matter until it's all been heard through the courts Make your fucking mind up...
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