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A Banksy Stolen in Paris, by fr0wh3r3 on Sept 3, 2019 13:31:36 GMT 1, A work of Banksy has been stolen near the Center Pompidou in Paris. The cultural center "noted the theft" of this graffiti made "on the back of the entrance panel" of its underground parking.
The work represents a rat with a masked muzzle brandishing a pencil. The stencil appeared on June 25, 2018 and claimed the next day on the Instagram account of the artist.
A work of Banksy has been stolen near the Center Pompidou in Paris. The cultural center "noted the theft" of this graffiti made "on the back of the entrance panel" of its underground parking.
The work represents a rat with a masked muzzle brandishing a pencil. The stencil appeared on June 25, 2018 and claimed the next day on the Instagram account of the artist.
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A Banksy Stolen in Paris, by michaelk1985 on Sept 3, 2019 16:36:12 GMT 1, Who cares? Haha
Who cares? Haha
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A Banksy Stolen in Paris, by irl1 on Sept 3, 2019 16:44:19 GMT 1, About who, you?
This was real unlike you with your fakes, FO
About who, you? This was real unlike you with your fakes, FO |
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A Banksy Stolen in Paris, by Coach on Sept 3, 2019 17:14:28 GMT 1,
That’s a great way to put people off posting.
No need.
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A Banksy Stolen in Paris, by Lazarus II on Sept 3, 2019 20:20:23 GMT 1, Is michaelk1985 the same bloke that used to finish his posts with a YANK ?
Is michaelk1985 the same bloke that used to finish his posts with a YANK ?
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A Banksy Stolen in Paris, by avec art on Sept 5, 2019 9:15:42 GMT 1, Flipin' hek that was brazen, good thing it was filmed. In the centre of Paris .. surely they can be tracked down if the French police have the will to do so.
Flipin' hek that was brazen, good thing it was filmed. In the centre of Paris .. surely they can be tracked down if the French police have the will to do so.
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A Banksy Stolen in Paris, by fr0wh3r3 on Sept 5, 2019 9:40:17 GMT 1, [Off topic] Why are there so many line breaks at the end of my messages when I have not put any?
TIA
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[Off topic] Why are there so many line breaks at the end of my messages when I have not put any? TIA Edit : partially fixed
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A Banksy Stolen in Paris, by beicoblack on Sept 5, 2019 10:01:38 GMT 1, Flipin' hek that was brazen, good thing it was filmed. In the centre of Paris .. surely they can be tracked down if the French police have the will to do so.
I guess the owner of the sign (it was from a parking garage, right?) could request legal steps since its his property.
Flipin' hek that was brazen, good thing it was filmed. In the centre of Paris .. surely they can be tracked down if the French police have the will to do so. Would be really interesting to see if the police makes moves... specially in Paris. I guess the owner of the sign (it was from a parking garage, right?) could request legal steps since its his property. |
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A Banksy Stolen in Paris, by fr0wh3r3 on Sept 5, 2019 10:54:30 GMT 1, I think that the owner of the sign, is the Centre Pompidou museum that lodged a complaint.
I think that the owner of the sign, is the Centre Pompidou museum that lodged a complaint.
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A Banksy Stolen in Paris, by whyseepee on Mar 5, 2020 14:05:33 GMT 1, Here is an interesting read from today's national newspaper Le Parisien published one hour ago.
I just copy paste it here if anyone got time to translate, but in a nutshell the trial for one of the guy arrested after the steal of the Banksy's Rat close to Museum Pompidou has taken place, during which he said that the steal was done on Bansky's request and that he was not paid for that.
Thoughts ?
Banksy a-t-il commandité le vol de son «Rat au cutter» ?
Selon nos informations, un homme arrêté pour sa participation au vol au centre Georges-Pompidou affirme qu’il a été missionné par l’artiste lui-même. Entre art et loi comment considérer cette affaire ?
Envers du panneau d’entrée du parking souterrain du Centre Pompidou, situé au croisement de la rue Beaubourg et de la rue Rambuteau, depuis découpé.
Par Julien Constant et Jean-Michel Décugis
Le 5 mars 2020 à 13h28
Lundi 2 septembre 2019, 3h30, centre Georges-Pompidou à Paris. Plusieurs inconnus s'activent à l'arrière du panneau d'entrée du parking souterrain du bâtiment. Munis d'une scie circulaire, il ne leur faut que quelques minutes pour découper l'envers du panneau sur lequel a été apposée, moins d'un an plus tôt, une œuvre de Banksy, le célèbre artiste de street art.
Les images de vidéoprotection permettent de comprendre que les deux voleurs sont arrivés à bord d'un camion équipé d'une nacelle afin de pouvoir accéder à l'œuvre. Baptisée « le Rat au Cutter » et réalisée au pochoir, elle est de la main du mystérieux artiste qui en a revendiqué la paternité. L'artiste britannique, qui se plaît à garder son identité secrète, mais est un des plus côtés dans son milieu, avait frappé en juin 2018, un grand coup en disséminant une série de pochoirs, parfois très politique, dans la capitale. Huit œuvres au total revendiquées sur le compte Instagram de Banksy, dont « le Rat au cutter » accompagné de la légende suivante : cinquante ans depuis les émeutes de 1968 à Paris.
Six mois après le vol, le principal suspect mis en examen, le 7 février dernier, pour « vol d'un bien culturel du domaine public mobilier », est entendu ce vendredi par un juge. En garde à vue, cet homme de 37 ans, décrit comme gravitant dans « l'univers de la musique et du street art », a confié avoir été missionné par… l'artiste lui-même! Un improbable scénario et un coup de théâtre dans le milieu de l'art. Et si Banksy était lui-même derrière ce vol? L'hypothèse est désormais privilégiée par la justice.
Trahi par la location d'un camion nacelle
C'est grâce aux images de vidéosurveillance que les policiers du 1er district de police judiciaire (DPJ) sont remontés au suspect, via le numéro d'immatriculation du camion utilisé. Identifié, le propriétaire du véhicule est interpellé, mais assure qu'il a été victime du vol de ces plaques la nuit même de la « disparition » de l'œuvre. Il est rapidement relâché. Les enquêteurs se mettent alors sur la piste du voleur des plaques avant d'obtenir son nom et de constater que, la veille des faits, il a loué un camion nacelle en compagnie de sa compagne.
Le couple et un complice sont arrêtés dans le Val-d'Oise et en Seine-et-Marne puis placés en garde à vue à Paris. Au domicile du principal suspect, âgé de 35 ans, les policiers mettent la main sur trois œuvres susceptibles d'être attribuées à Banksy, mais point de rat soixante-huitard chevauchant un cutter. La jeune femme et le complice présumé sont rapidement mis hors de cause et relâchés. Mais pas le compagnon.
En garde à vue, Mejdi R. fait des confidences inattendues aux enquêteurs. Dans un premier temps, il assure qu'il connaît Banksy avant de confier qu'il l'a lui-même « missionné » pour ce vol, commis avec plusieurs de ses proches… Une opération pour laquelle il n'aurait pas été rémunéré. Mais le suspect reste secret sur ses liens réels avec l'artiste. Selon lui, Banksy aurait commandité cette opération après le vol d'une autre de ses œuvres, – une silhouette blanche qui semblait se recueillir –, réalisée sur la porte arrière du Bataclan, en hommage aux victimes des attentats de novembre 2015. Une version considérée comme crédible par la justice.
L'œuvre sans propriétaire peut-elle être volée ?
Depuis, Mejdi R. a recouvré la liberté après avoir été placé sous contrôle judiciaire. Mais les investigations qui se poursuivent se heurtent à plusieurs difficultés de taille. La première est l'absence de propriétaire de l'œuvre dérobée. Un vrai casse tête pour la justice. L'artiste Banksy, dont la phrase « Copyright is for losers » (NDLR : les droits de propriétés sont bons pour les perdants) est devenue célèbre n'a pas porté plainte pour le vol de son œuvre.
L'unique action en justice a été effectuée par le Centre Pompidou. Mais n'étant pas propriétaire de l'œuvre, le musée n'a porté plainte que pour dégradation du panneau sur lequel le pochoir avait été réalisé. « Œuvre ou pas, nous aurions porté plainte ne serait-ce que pour couvrir les réparations du panneau », se défend la direction du centre, qui affirme ne pas avoir été contactée depuis par la juge. Le centre avait essayé de protéger le pochoir avec une plaque de plexiglas, après une première tentative de dégradation ou de vol, en juillet 2018.
La deuxième difficulté à laquelle la justice fait face, c'est la notion même de vol. Le « street artist » ne revendique pas un droit exclusif sur sa création, mais plutôt une liberté d'expression. L'œuvre est à la merci de tout le monde qui peut s'en emparer, la retoucher, et même la dénaturer. Du coup, on peut considérer que l'œuvre de « street art » appartient à tous. Le don ou l'abandon de l'œuvre par le « street artist » implique généralement une absence de protestation de sa part en cas de destruction ou vol de l'œuvre. Or paradoxe, le voleur présumé du pochoir « le Rat au cutter » dit avoir agi sur ordre de Banksy.
Si tel est le cas, plusieurs questions se posent, à la fois juridiques et artistiques : Banksy a-t-il le droit de faire retirer son œuvre manu militari alors qu'il l'a exposée durant deux ans au public devant un musée ? L'artiste cherche-t-il à récupérer ses œuvres dans le but de les protéger ou les vendre ?
Contacté sur son compte Instagram et sur son site, l'artiste ne nous a pas répondu. « La qualification retenue à ce stade de la mise en examen de mon client n'est pas fondée, car le propriétaire d'un bien ne peut se voler lui-même, or il est intervenu à la demande de l'artiste. Il n'y a rien de pénal, je vais contester cette qualification » explique son avocat Me Antoine Vey. La défense de Mejdi R. tente actuellement de récupérer une attestation de l'artiste accréditant le fait qu'il a fait appel à lui.
Link to artcile (for subscribers only) www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/banksy-a-t-il-commandite-le-vol-de-son-rat-au-cutter-05-03-2020-8273217.php
Here is an interesting read from today's national newspaper Le Parisien published one hour ago. I just copy paste it here if anyone got time to translate, but in a nutshell the trial for one of the guy arrested after the steal of the Banksy's Rat close to Museum Pompidou has taken place, during which he said that the steal was done on Bansky's request and that he was not paid for that. Thoughts ? Banksy a-t-il commandité le vol de son «Rat au cutter» ?
Selon nos informations, un homme arrêté pour sa participation au vol au centre Georges-Pompidou affirme qu’il a été missionné par l’artiste lui-même. Entre art et loi comment considérer cette affaire ?
Envers du panneau d’entrée du parking souterrain du Centre Pompidou, situé au croisement de la rue Beaubourg et de la rue Rambuteau, depuis découpé.
Par Julien Constant et Jean-Michel Décugis
Le 5 mars 2020 à 13h28
Lundi 2 septembre 2019, 3h30, centre Georges-Pompidou à Paris. Plusieurs inconnus s'activent à l'arrière du panneau d'entrée du parking souterrain du bâtiment. Munis d'une scie circulaire, il ne leur faut que quelques minutes pour découper l'envers du panneau sur lequel a été apposée, moins d'un an plus tôt, une œuvre de Banksy, le célèbre artiste de street art.
Les images de vidéoprotection permettent de comprendre que les deux voleurs sont arrivés à bord d'un camion équipé d'une nacelle afin de pouvoir accéder à l'œuvre. Baptisée « le Rat au Cutter » et réalisée au pochoir, elle est de la main du mystérieux artiste qui en a revendiqué la paternité. L'artiste britannique, qui se plaît à garder son identité secrète, mais est un des plus côtés dans son milieu, avait frappé en juin 2018, un grand coup en disséminant une série de pochoirs, parfois très politique, dans la capitale. Huit œuvres au total revendiquées sur le compte Instagram de Banksy, dont « le Rat au cutter » accompagné de la légende suivante : cinquante ans depuis les émeutes de 1968 à Paris.
Six mois après le vol, le principal suspect mis en examen, le 7 février dernier, pour « vol d'un bien culturel du domaine public mobilier », est entendu ce vendredi par un juge. En garde à vue, cet homme de 37 ans, décrit comme gravitant dans « l'univers de la musique et du street art », a confié avoir été missionné par… l'artiste lui-même! Un improbable scénario et un coup de théâtre dans le milieu de l'art. Et si Banksy était lui-même derrière ce vol? L'hypothèse est désormais privilégiée par la justice.
Trahi par la location d'un camion nacelle
C'est grâce aux images de vidéosurveillance que les policiers du 1er district de police judiciaire (DPJ) sont remontés au suspect, via le numéro d'immatriculation du camion utilisé. Identifié, le propriétaire du véhicule est interpellé, mais assure qu'il a été victime du vol de ces plaques la nuit même de la « disparition » de l'œuvre. Il est rapidement relâché. Les enquêteurs se mettent alors sur la piste du voleur des plaques avant d'obtenir son nom et de constater que, la veille des faits, il a loué un camion nacelle en compagnie de sa compagne.
Le couple et un complice sont arrêtés dans le Val-d'Oise et en Seine-et-Marne puis placés en garde à vue à Paris. Au domicile du principal suspect, âgé de 35 ans, les policiers mettent la main sur trois œuvres susceptibles d'être attribuées à Banksy, mais point de rat soixante-huitard chevauchant un cutter. La jeune femme et le complice présumé sont rapidement mis hors de cause et relâchés. Mais pas le compagnon.
En garde à vue, Mejdi R. fait des confidences inattendues aux enquêteurs. Dans un premier temps, il assure qu'il connaît Banksy avant de confier qu'il l'a lui-même « missionné » pour ce vol, commis avec plusieurs de ses proches… Une opération pour laquelle il n'aurait pas été rémunéré. Mais le suspect reste secret sur ses liens réels avec l'artiste. Selon lui, Banksy aurait commandité cette opération après le vol d'une autre de ses œuvres, – une silhouette blanche qui semblait se recueillir –, réalisée sur la porte arrière du Bataclan, en hommage aux victimes des attentats de novembre 2015. Une version considérée comme crédible par la justice.
L'œuvre sans propriétaire peut-elle être volée ?
Depuis, Mejdi R. a recouvré la liberté après avoir été placé sous contrôle judiciaire. Mais les investigations qui se poursuivent se heurtent à plusieurs difficultés de taille. La première est l'absence de propriétaire de l'œuvre dérobée. Un vrai casse tête pour la justice. L'artiste Banksy, dont la phrase « Copyright is for losers » (NDLR : les droits de propriétés sont bons pour les perdants) est devenue célèbre n'a pas porté plainte pour le vol de son œuvre.
L'unique action en justice a été effectuée par le Centre Pompidou. Mais n'étant pas propriétaire de l'œuvre, le musée n'a porté plainte que pour dégradation du panneau sur lequel le pochoir avait été réalisé. « Œuvre ou pas, nous aurions porté plainte ne serait-ce que pour couvrir les réparations du panneau », se défend la direction du centre, qui affirme ne pas avoir été contactée depuis par la juge. Le centre avait essayé de protéger le pochoir avec une plaque de plexiglas, après une première tentative de dégradation ou de vol, en juillet 2018.
La deuxième difficulté à laquelle la justice fait face, c'est la notion même de vol. Le « street artist » ne revendique pas un droit exclusif sur sa création, mais plutôt une liberté d'expression. L'œuvre est à la merci de tout le monde qui peut s'en emparer, la retoucher, et même la dénaturer. Du coup, on peut considérer que l'œuvre de « street art » appartient à tous. Le don ou l'abandon de l'œuvre par le « street artist » implique généralement une absence de protestation de sa part en cas de destruction ou vol de l'œuvre. Or paradoxe, le voleur présumé du pochoir « le Rat au cutter » dit avoir agi sur ordre de Banksy.
Si tel est le cas, plusieurs questions se posent, à la fois juridiques et artistiques : Banksy a-t-il le droit de faire retirer son œuvre manu militari alors qu'il l'a exposée durant deux ans au public devant un musée ? L'artiste cherche-t-il à récupérer ses œuvres dans le but de les protéger ou les vendre ?
Contacté sur son compte Instagram et sur son site, l'artiste ne nous a pas répondu. « La qualification retenue à ce stade de la mise en examen de mon client n'est pas fondée, car le propriétaire d'un bien ne peut se voler lui-même, or il est intervenu à la demande de l'artiste. Il n'y a rien de pénal, je vais contester cette qualification » explique son avocat Me Antoine Vey. La défense de Mejdi R. tente actuellement de récupérer une attestation de l'artiste accréditant le fait qu'il a fait appel à lui.
Link to artcile (for subscribers only) www.leparisien.fr/faits-divers/banksy-a-t-il-commandite-le-vol-de-son-rat-au-cutter-05-03-2020-8273217.php |
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A Banksy Stolen in Paris, by skAcid on Mar 5, 2020 14:20:30 GMT 1, Did Banksy sponsor the flight (theft?  ) of his “Cutter Rat”?
According to our information, a man arrested for participating in the robbery at the Georges-Pompidou center claims that he was commissioned by the artist himself. Between art and law how to consider this case?
Towards the entrance panel of the Pompidou Center underground car park, located at the intersection of rue Beaubourg and rue Rambuteau, since cut.
By Julien Constant and Jean-Michel Décugis
March 5, 2020 at 1:28 p.m.
Monday September 2, 2019, 3:30 a.m., Center Georges-Pompidou in Paris. Several strangers are active behind the entrance sign to the underground parking lot of the building. Equipped with a circular saw, it only takes them a few minutes to cut the back of the panel on which was affixed, less than a year earlier, a work by Banksy, the famous street art artist.
The video-protection images make it possible to understand that the two thieves arrived on board a truck equipped with a nacelle in order to be able to access the work. Called "the Rat with the Cutter" and made with stencil, it is from the hand of the mysterious artist who claimed paternity. The British artist, who likes to keep his identity secret, but is one of the most popular in his community, had struck in June 2018, a great blow by disseminating a series of stencils, sometimes very political, in the capital. Eight works in total claimed on Banksy's Instagram account, including "The Rat with a cutter" accompanied by the following legend: fifty years since the riots of 1968 in Paris.
Betrayed by the rental of a bucket truck
It is thanks to the video surveillance images that the police officers of the 1st judicial police district (DPJ) went up to the suspect, via the registration number of the truck used. Identified, the owner of the vehicle was arrested, but assured that he had been the victim of the theft of these plates the very night of the “disappearance” of the work. He is quickly released. The investigators then put themselves on the track of the thief of the plates before obtaining his name and to note that, the day before the facts, he hired a bucket truck with his companion.
The couple and an accomplice are arrested in Val-d'Oise and Seine-et-Marne and then placed in police custody in Paris. At the home of the main suspect, aged 35, the police put their hands on three works likely to be attributed to Banksy, but no rat sixty-eightard riding a cutter. The young woman and the alleged accomplice are quickly exonerated and released. But not the companion.
In police custody, Mejdi R. made unexpected confidences to the investigators. At first, he assures that he knows Banksy before confiding that he himself "missioned" for this theft, committed with several of his relatives ... An operation for which he would not have been paid. But the suspect remains secret about his real links with the artist. According to him, Banksy would have sponsored this operation after the theft of another of his works, - a white silhouette which seemed to collect - carried out on the back door of the Bataclan, in homage to the victims of the attacks of November 2015. A version considered as credible by justice.
Can the work without an owner be stolen?
Mejdi R. has since been released after being placed under judicial supervision. However, the investigations that are continuing face several major difficulties. The first is the absence of the owner of the stolen work. A real headache for justice. The artist Banksy, whose phrase "Copyright is for losers" (Editor's note: property rights are good for losers) became famous did not file a complaint for the theft of his work.
The second difficulty facing justice is the very notion of theft. The "street artist" does not claim an exclusive right over his creation, but rather a freedom of expression. The work is at the mercy of everyone who can take it, retouch it, and even distort it. Suddenly, we can consider that the work of "street art" belongs to all. The donation or abandonment of the work by the "street artist" generally implies an absence of protest on his part in the event of destruction or theft of the work. Paradoxically, the alleged thief of the stencil "the Rat with the cutter" says that he acted on orders from Banksy.
If this is the case, several questions arise, both legal and artistic: does Banksy have the right to have his work manu militari withdrawn when he exhibited it for two years to the public in front of a museum? Does the artist seek to recover his works in order to protect or sell them?
Contacted on his Instagram account and on his site, the artist did not respond to us. "The qualification retained at this stage of the indictment of my client is not founded, because the owner of a property cannot steal himself, but he intervened at the request of the artist. There is nothing criminal, I will challenge this qualification ”explains his lawyer Me Antoine Vey. The defense of Mejdi R. is currently trying to recover a certificate from the artist accrediting the fact that he called on him.
Bullshit
Thanks to Google Translate 😉
Did Banksy sponsor the flight (theft? ) of his “Cutter Rat”? According to our information, a man arrested for participating in the robbery at the Georges-Pompidou center claims that he was commissioned by the artist himself. Between art and law how to consider this case? Towards the entrance panel of the Pompidou Center underground car park, located at the intersection of rue Beaubourg and rue Rambuteau, since cut. By Julien Constant and Jean-Michel Décugis March 5, 2020 at 1:28 p.m. Monday September 2, 2019, 3:30 a.m., Center Georges-Pompidou in Paris. Several strangers are active behind the entrance sign to the underground parking lot of the building. Equipped with a circular saw, it only takes them a few minutes to cut the back of the panel on which was affixed, less than a year earlier, a work by Banksy, the famous street art artist. The video-protection images make it possible to understand that the two thieves arrived on board a truck equipped with a nacelle in order to be able to access the work. Called "the Rat with the Cutter" and made with stencil, it is from the hand of the mysterious artist who claimed paternity. The British artist, who likes to keep his identity secret, but is one of the most popular in his community, had struck in June 2018, a great blow by disseminating a series of stencils, sometimes very political, in the capital. Eight works in total claimed on Banksy's Instagram account, including "The Rat with a cutter" accompanied by the following legend: fifty years since the riots of 1968 in Paris. Betrayed by the rental of a bucket truck It is thanks to the video surveillance images that the police officers of the 1st judicial police district (DPJ) went up to the suspect, via the registration number of the truck used. Identified, the owner of the vehicle was arrested, but assured that he had been the victim of the theft of these plates the very night of the “disappearance” of the work. He is quickly released. The investigators then put themselves on the track of the thief of the plates before obtaining his name and to note that, the day before the facts, he hired a bucket truck with his companion. The couple and an accomplice are arrested in Val-d'Oise and Seine-et-Marne and then placed in police custody in Paris. At the home of the main suspect, aged 35, the police put their hands on three works likely to be attributed to Banksy, but no rat sixty-eightard riding a cutter. The young woman and the alleged accomplice are quickly exonerated and released. But not the companion. In police custody, Mejdi R. made unexpected confidences to the investigators. At first, he assures that he knows Banksy before confiding that he himself "missioned" for this theft, committed with several of his relatives ... An operation for which he would not have been paid. But the suspect remains secret about his real links with the artist. According to him, Banksy would have sponsored this operation after the theft of another of his works, - a white silhouette which seemed to collect - carried out on the back door of the Bataclan, in homage to the victims of the attacks of November 2015. A version considered as credible by justice. Can the work without an owner be stolen? Mejdi R. has since been released after being placed under judicial supervision. However, the investigations that are continuing face several major difficulties. The first is the absence of the owner of the stolen work. A real headache for justice. The artist Banksy, whose phrase "Copyright is for losers" (Editor's note: property rights are good for losers) became famous did not file a complaint for the theft of his work. The second difficulty facing justice is the very notion of theft. The "street artist" does not claim an exclusive right over his creation, but rather a freedom of expression. The work is at the mercy of everyone who can take it, retouch it, and even distort it. Suddenly, we can consider that the work of "street art" belongs to all. The donation or abandonment of the work by the "street artist" generally implies an absence of protest on his part in the event of destruction or theft of the work. Paradoxically, the alleged thief of the stencil "the Rat with the cutter" says that he acted on orders from Banksy. If this is the case, several questions arise, both legal and artistic: does Banksy have the right to have his work manu militari withdrawn when he exhibited it for two years to the public in front of a museum? Does the artist seek to recover his works in order to protect or sell them? Contacted on his Instagram account and on his site, the artist did not respond to us. "The qualification retained at this stage of the indictment of my client is not founded, because the owner of a property cannot steal himself, but he intervened at the request of the artist. There is nothing criminal, I will challenge this qualification ”explains his lawyer Me Antoine Vey. The defense of Mejdi R. is currently trying to recover a certificate from the artist accrediting the fact that he called on him. Bullshit Thanks to Google Translate 😉 |
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A Banksy Stolen in Paris, by whyseepee on Mar 5, 2020 16:24:59 GMT 1, Did Banksy sponsor the flight (theft? ) of his “Cutter Rat”? According to our information, a man arrested for participating in the robbery at the Georges-Pompidou center claims that he was commissioned by the artist himself. Between art and law how to consider this case? Towards the entrance panel of the Pompidou Center underground car park, located at the intersection of rue Beaubourg and rue Rambuteau, since cut. By Julien Constant and Jean-Michel Décugis March 5, 2020 at 1:28 p.m. Monday September 2, 2019, 3:30 a.m., Center Georges-Pompidou in Paris. Several strangers are active behind the entrance sign to the underground parking lot of the building. Equipped with a circular saw, it only takes them a few minutes to cut the back of the panel on which was affixed, less than a year earlier, a work by Banksy, the famous street art artist. The video-protection images make it possible to understand that the two thieves arrived on board a truck equipped with a nacelle in order to be able to access the work. Called "the Rat with the Cutter" and made with stencil, it is from the hand of the mysterious artist who claimed paternity. The British artist, who likes to keep his identity secret, but is one of the most popular in his community, had struck in June 2018, a great blow by disseminating a series of stencils, sometimes very political, in the capital. Eight works in total claimed on Banksy's Instagram account, including "The Rat with a cutter" accompanied by the following legend: fifty years since the riots of 1968 in Paris. Betrayed by the rental of a bucket truck It is thanks to the video surveillance images that the police officers of the 1st judicial police district (DPJ) went up to the suspect, via the registration number of the truck used. Identified, the owner of the vehicle was arrested, but assured that he had been the victim of the theft of these plates the very night of the “disappearance” of the work. He is quickly released. The investigators then put themselves on the track of the thief of the plates before obtaining his name and to note that, the day before the facts, he hired a bucket truck with his companion. The couple and an accomplice are arrested in Val-d'Oise and Seine-et-Marne and then placed in police custody in Paris. At the home of the main suspect, aged 35, the police put their hands on three works likely to be attributed to Banksy, but no rat sixty-eightard riding a cutter. The young woman and the alleged accomplice are quickly exonerated and released. But not the companion. In police custody, Mejdi R. made unexpected confidences to the investigators. At first, he assures that he knows Banksy before confiding that he himself "missioned" for this theft, committed with several of his relatives ... An operation for which he would not have been paid. But the suspect remains secret about his real links with the artist. According to him, Banksy would have sponsored this operation after the theft of another of his works, - a white silhouette which seemed to collect - carried out on the back door of the Bataclan, in homage to the victims of the attacks of November 2015. A version considered as credible by justice. Can the work without an owner be stolen? Mejdi R. has since been released after being placed under judicial supervision. However, the investigations that are continuing face several major difficulties. The first is the absence of the owner of the stolen work. A real headache for justice. The artist Banksy, whose phrase "Copyright is for losers" (Editor's note: property rights are good for losers) became famous did not file a complaint for the theft of his work. The second difficulty facing justice is the very notion of theft. The "street artist" does not claim an exclusive right over his creation, but rather a freedom of expression. The work is at the mercy of everyone who can take it, retouch it, and even distort it. Suddenly, we can consider that the work of "street art" belongs to all. The donation or abandonment of the work by the "street artist" generally implies an absence of protest on his part in the event of destruction or theft of the work. Paradoxically, the alleged thief of the stencil "the Rat with the cutter" says that he acted on orders from Banksy. If this is the case, several questions arise, both legal and artistic: does Banksy have the right to have his work manu militari withdrawn when he exhibited it for two years to the public in front of a museum? Does the artist seek to recover his works in order to protect or sell them? Contacted on his Instagram account and on his site, the artist did not respond to us. "The qualification retained at this stage of the indictment of my client is not founded, because the owner of a property cannot steal himself, but he intervened at the request of the artist. There is nothing criminal, I will challenge this qualification ”explains his lawyer Me Antoine Vey. The defense of Mejdi R. is currently trying to recover a certificate from the artist accrediting the fact that he called on him. Bullshit Thanks to Google Translate 😉
Cheers, didn't expect the automated translation to be that accurate.
I tend to think the person mentioned in the article is the owner of (one of) the main street art gallery in Paris, which adds oddness to the game...
Did Banksy sponsor the flight (theft? ) of his “Cutter Rat”? According to our information, a man arrested for participating in the robbery at the Georges-Pompidou center claims that he was commissioned by the artist himself. Between art and law how to consider this case? Towards the entrance panel of the Pompidou Center underground car park, located at the intersection of rue Beaubourg and rue Rambuteau, since cut. By Julien Constant and Jean-Michel Décugis March 5, 2020 at 1:28 p.m. Monday September 2, 2019, 3:30 a.m., Center Georges-Pompidou in Paris. Several strangers are active behind the entrance sign to the underground parking lot of the building. Equipped with a circular saw, it only takes them a few minutes to cut the back of the panel on which was affixed, less than a year earlier, a work by Banksy, the famous street art artist. The video-protection images make it possible to understand that the two thieves arrived on board a truck equipped with a nacelle in order to be able to access the work. Called "the Rat with the Cutter" and made with stencil, it is from the hand of the mysterious artist who claimed paternity. The British artist, who likes to keep his identity secret, but is one of the most popular in his community, had struck in June 2018, a great blow by disseminating a series of stencils, sometimes very political, in the capital. Eight works in total claimed on Banksy's Instagram account, including "The Rat with a cutter" accompanied by the following legend: fifty years since the riots of 1968 in Paris. Betrayed by the rental of a bucket truck It is thanks to the video surveillance images that the police officers of the 1st judicial police district (DPJ) went up to the suspect, via the registration number of the truck used. Identified, the owner of the vehicle was arrested, but assured that he had been the victim of the theft of these plates the very night of the “disappearance” of the work. He is quickly released. The investigators then put themselves on the track of the thief of the plates before obtaining his name and to note that, the day before the facts, he hired a bucket truck with his companion. The couple and an accomplice are arrested in Val-d'Oise and Seine-et-Marne and then placed in police custody in Paris. At the home of the main suspect, aged 35, the police put their hands on three works likely to be attributed to Banksy, but no rat sixty-eightard riding a cutter. The young woman and the alleged accomplice are quickly exonerated and released. But not the companion. In police custody, Mejdi R. made unexpected confidences to the investigators. At first, he assures that he knows Banksy before confiding that he himself "missioned" for this theft, committed with several of his relatives ... An operation for which he would not have been paid. But the suspect remains secret about his real links with the artist. According to him, Banksy would have sponsored this operation after the theft of another of his works, - a white silhouette which seemed to collect - carried out on the back door of the Bataclan, in homage to the victims of the attacks of November 2015. A version considered as credible by justice. Can the work without an owner be stolen? Mejdi R. has since been released after being placed under judicial supervision. However, the investigations that are continuing face several major difficulties. The first is the absence of the owner of the stolen work. A real headache for justice. The artist Banksy, whose phrase "Copyright is for losers" (Editor's note: property rights are good for losers) became famous did not file a complaint for the theft of his work. The second difficulty facing justice is the very notion of theft. The "street artist" does not claim an exclusive right over his creation, but rather a freedom of expression. The work is at the mercy of everyone who can take it, retouch it, and even distort it. Suddenly, we can consider that the work of "street art" belongs to all. The donation or abandonment of the work by the "street artist" generally implies an absence of protest on his part in the event of destruction or theft of the work. Paradoxically, the alleged thief of the stencil "the Rat with the cutter" says that he acted on orders from Banksy. If this is the case, several questions arise, both legal and artistic: does Banksy have the right to have his work manu militari withdrawn when he exhibited it for two years to the public in front of a museum? Does the artist seek to recover his works in order to protect or sell them? Contacted on his Instagram account and on his site, the artist did not respond to us. "The qualification retained at this stage of the indictment of my client is not founded, because the owner of a property cannot steal himself, but he intervened at the request of the artist. There is nothing criminal, I will challenge this qualification ”explains his lawyer Me Antoine Vey. The defense of Mejdi R. is currently trying to recover a certificate from the artist accrediting the fact that he called on him. Bullshit Thanks to Google Translate 😉 Cheers, didn't expect the automated translation to be that accurate. I tend to think the person mentioned in the article is the owner of (one of) the main street art gallery in Paris, which adds oddness to the game... |
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A Banksy Stolen in Paris, by Monsieur2T on Mar 5, 2020 16:49:29 GMT 1, Did Banksy sponsor the flight (theft? ) of his “Cutter Rat”? According to our information, a man arrested for participating in the robbery at the Georges-Pompidou center claims that he was commissioned by the artist himself. Between art and law how to consider this case? Towards the entrance panel of the Pompidou Center underground car park, located at the intersection of rue Beaubourg and rue Rambuteau, since cut. By Julien Constant and Jean-Michel Décugis March 5, 2020 at 1:28 p.m. Monday September 2, 2019, 3:30 a.m., Center Georges-Pompidou in Paris. Several strangers are active behind the entrance sign to the underground parking lot of the building. Equipped with a circular saw, it only takes them a few minutes to cut the back of the panel on which was affixed, less than a year earlier, a work by Banksy, the famous street art artist. The video-protection images make it possible to understand that the two thieves arrived on board a truck equipped with a nacelle in order to be able to access the work. Called "the Rat with the Cutter" and made with stencil, it is from the hand of the mysterious artist who claimed paternity. The British artist, who likes to keep his identity secret, but is one of the most popular in his community, had struck in June 2018, a great blow by disseminating a series of stencils, sometimes very political, in the capital. Eight works in total claimed on Banksy's Instagram account, including "The Rat with a cutter" accompanied by the following legend: fifty years since the riots of 1968 in Paris. Betrayed by the rental of a bucket truck It is thanks to the video surveillance images that the police officers of the 1st judicial police district (DPJ) went up to the suspect, via the registration number of the truck used. Identified, the owner of the vehicle was arrested, but assured that he had been the victim of the theft of these plates the very night of the “disappearance” of the work. He is quickly released. The investigators then put themselves on the track of the thief of the plates before obtaining his name and to note that, the day before the facts, he hired a bucket truck with his companion. The couple and an accomplice are arrested in Val-d'Oise and Seine-et-Marne and then placed in police custody in Paris. At the home of the main suspect, aged 35, the police put their hands on three works likely to be attributed to Banksy, but no rat sixty-eightard riding a cutter. The young woman and the alleged accomplice are quickly exonerated and released. But not the companion. In police custody, Mejdi R. made unexpected confidences to the investigators. At first, he assures that he knows Banksy before confiding that he himself "missioned" for this theft, committed with several of his relatives ... An operation for which he would not have been paid. But the suspect remains secret about his real links with the artist. According to him, Banksy would have sponsored this operation after the theft of another of his works, - a white silhouette which seemed to collect - carried out on the back door of the Bataclan, in homage to the victims of the attacks of November 2015. A version considered as credible by justice. Can the work without an owner be stolen? Mejdi R. has since been released after being placed under judicial supervision. However, the investigations that are continuing face several major difficulties. The first is the absence of the owner of the stolen work. A real headache for justice. The artist Banksy, whose phrase "Copyright is for losers" (Editor's note: property rights are good for losers) became famous did not file a complaint for the theft of his work. The second difficulty facing justice is the very notion of theft. The "street artist" does not claim an exclusive right over his creation, but rather a freedom of expression. The work is at the mercy of everyone who can take it, retouch it, and even distort it. Suddenly, we can consider that the work of "street art" belongs to all. The donation or abandonment of the work by the "street artist" generally implies an absence of protest on his part in the event of destruction or theft of the work. Paradoxically, the alleged thief of the stencil "the Rat with the cutter" says that he acted on orders from Banksy. If this is the case, several questions arise, both legal and artistic: does Banksy have the right to have his work manu militari withdrawn when he exhibited it for two years to the public in front of a museum? Does the artist seek to recover his works in order to protect or sell them? Contacted on his Instagram account and on his site, the artist did not respond to us. "The qualification retained at this stage of the indictment of my client is not founded, because the owner of a property cannot steal himself, but he intervened at the request of the artist. There is nothing criminal, I will challenge this qualification ”explains his lawyer Me Antoine Vey. The defense of Mejdi R. is currently trying to recover a certificate from the artist accrediting the fact that he called on him. Bullshit Thanks to Google Translate 😉 Cheers, didn't expect the automated translation to be that accurate. I tend to think the person mentioned in the article is the owner of (one of) the main street art gallery in Paris, which adds oddness to the game...
Did Banksy sponsor the flight (theft? ) of his “Cutter Rat”? According to our information, a man arrested for participating in the robbery at the Georges-Pompidou center claims that he was commissioned by the artist himself. Between art and law how to consider this case? Towards the entrance panel of the Pompidou Center underground car park, located at the intersection of rue Beaubourg and rue Rambuteau, since cut. By Julien Constant and Jean-Michel Décugis March 5, 2020 at 1:28 p.m. Monday September 2, 2019, 3:30 a.m., Center Georges-Pompidou in Paris. Several strangers are active behind the entrance sign to the underground parking lot of the building. Equipped with a circular saw, it only takes them a few minutes to cut the back of the panel on which was affixed, less than a year earlier, a work by Banksy, the famous street art artist. The video-protection images make it possible to understand that the two thieves arrived on board a truck equipped with a nacelle in order to be able to access the work. Called "the Rat with the Cutter" and made with stencil, it is from the hand of the mysterious artist who claimed paternity. The British artist, who likes to keep his identity secret, but is one of the most popular in his community, had struck in June 2018, a great blow by disseminating a series of stencils, sometimes very political, in the capital. Eight works in total claimed on Banksy's Instagram account, including "The Rat with a cutter" accompanied by the following legend: fifty years since the riots of 1968 in Paris. Betrayed by the rental of a bucket truck It is thanks to the video surveillance images that the police officers of the 1st judicial police district (DPJ) went up to the suspect, via the registration number of the truck used. Identified, the owner of the vehicle was arrested, but assured that he had been the victim of the theft of these plates the very night of the “disappearance” of the work. He is quickly released. The investigators then put themselves on the track of the thief of the plates before obtaining his name and to note that, the day before the facts, he hired a bucket truck with his companion. The couple and an accomplice are arrested in Val-d'Oise and Seine-et-Marne and then placed in police custody in Paris. At the home of the main suspect, aged 35, the police put their hands on three works likely to be attributed to Banksy, but no rat sixty-eightard riding a cutter. The young woman and the alleged accomplice are quickly exonerated and released. But not the companion. In police custody, Mejdi R. made unexpected confidences to the investigators. At first, he assures that he knows Banksy before confiding that he himself "missioned" for this theft, committed with several of his relatives ... An operation for which he would not have been paid. But the suspect remains secret about his real links with the artist. According to him, Banksy would have sponsored this operation after the theft of another of his works, - a white silhouette which seemed to collect - carried out on the back door of the Bataclan, in homage to the victims of the attacks of November 2015. A version considered as credible by justice. Can the work without an owner be stolen? Mejdi R. has since been released after being placed under judicial supervision. However, the investigations that are continuing face several major difficulties. The first is the absence of the owner of the stolen work. A real headache for justice. The artist Banksy, whose phrase "Copyright is for losers" (Editor's note: property rights are good for losers) became famous did not file a complaint for the theft of his work. The second difficulty facing justice is the very notion of theft. The "street artist" does not claim an exclusive right over his creation, but rather a freedom of expression. The work is at the mercy of everyone who can take it, retouch it, and even distort it. Suddenly, we can consider that the work of "street art" belongs to all. The donation or abandonment of the work by the "street artist" generally implies an absence of protest on his part in the event of destruction or theft of the work. Paradoxically, the alleged thief of the stencil "the Rat with the cutter" says that he acted on orders from Banksy. If this is the case, several questions arise, both legal and artistic: does Banksy have the right to have his work manu militari withdrawn when he exhibited it for two years to the public in front of a museum? Does the artist seek to recover his works in order to protect or sell them? Contacted on his Instagram account and on his site, the artist did not respond to us. "The qualification retained at this stage of the indictment of my client is not founded, because the owner of a property cannot steal himself, but he intervened at the request of the artist. There is nothing criminal, I will challenge this qualification ”explains his lawyer Me Antoine Vey. The defense of Mejdi R. is currently trying to recover a certificate from the artist accrediting the fact that he called on him. Bullshit Thanks to Google Translate 😉 Cheers, didn't expect the automated translation to be that accurate. I tend to think the person mentioned in the article is the owner of (one of) the main street art gallery in Paris, which adds oddness to the game... If Banksy / or anyone from his team reads this message and wants to approach the Centre Pompidou PIC of this case, feel free to PM me |
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A Banksy Stolen in Paris, by sfnyc on Mar 5, 2020 22:06:04 GMT 1, Or don't contact these fools. Smart move from the thief to say he was commissioned by Banksy, the general public could be stupid enough to believe that. Seems like the police judiciaire was made a fool of here as well...
Ps: Similar name but no, its not the guy behind Galerie Itinerrance... as much as people can hate for the botched Invader release last fall
Or don't contact these fools. Smart move from the thief to say he was commissioned by Banksy, the general public could be stupid enough to believe that. Seems like the police judiciaire was made a fool of here as well...
Ps: Similar name but no, its not the guy behind Galerie Itinerrance... as much as people can hate for the botched Invader release last fall
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