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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mrmustard on Apr 11, 2008 19:51:56 GMT 1, Everyone I know that has sent a street piece for authentification with PestControl has had the same response: "We cannot be sure whether the pieces you've shown us were done by the artist Banksy or not, however as a policy anything that was created without the intention to sell does not receive a Letter of Authentication." So I am not sure why they have added that section?! Well then given the uniform responses to enquires re: authentication of street pieces, it's clear why they added that section - to weed out requests for authentication of street pieces and give them short shrift!
I guess so, but it's not always as clean cut as that is it? For example if a building etc that had a Banksy piece on was going to be demolished would it not be better to save the piece and have authentification for it rather than lose the piece forever? If that was the case (as has happened to a friend of mine) then a standard response of 'we don't want to put a name to it' seems a bit sad to me.
I have 3 'salvaged' pieces (that would have otherwise been lost forever) that people wish to sell through my gallery at the moment but I can't do that without authenticity, and PC can't give that.
Everyone I know that has sent a street piece for authentification with PestControl has had the same response: "We cannot be sure whether the pieces you've shown us were done by the artist Banksy or not, however as a policy anything that was created without the intention to sell does not receive a Letter of Authentication." So I am not sure why they have added that section?! Well then given the uniform responses to enquires re: authentication of street pieces, it's clear why they added that section - to weed out requests for authentication of street pieces and give them short shrift! I guess so, but it's not always as clean cut as that is it? For example if a building etc that had a Banksy piece on was going to be demolished would it not be better to save the piece and have authentification for it rather than lose the piece forever? If that was the case (as has happened to a friend of mine) then a standard response of 'we don't want to put a name to it' seems a bit sad to me. I have 3 'salvaged' pieces (that would have otherwise been lost forever) that people wish to sell through my gallery at the moment but I can't do that without authenticity, and PC can't give that. |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by savilerogue on Apr 11, 2008 19:54:12 GMT 1, I guess so, but it's not always as clean cut as that is it? For example if a building etc that had a Banksy piece on was going to be demolished would it not be better to save the piece and have authentification for it rather than lose the piece forever? If that was the case (as has happened to a friend of mine) then a standard response of 'we don't want to put a name to it' seems a bit sad to me.
I disagree, I still think it wouldn't be appropriate even in those circumstances. Street art by its very nature is ephemeral.
I guess so, but it's not always as clean cut as that is it? For example if a building etc that had a Banksy piece on was going to be demolished would it not be better to save the piece and have authentification for it rather than lose the piece forever? If that was the case (as has happened to a friend of mine) then a standard response of 'we don't want to put a name to it' seems a bit sad to me. I disagree, I still think it wouldn't be appropriate even in those circumstances. Street art by its very nature is ephemeral. |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mrmustard on Apr 11, 2008 20:00:03 GMT 1, I guess so, but it's not always as clean cut as that is it? For example if a building etc that had a Banksy piece on was going to be demolished would it not be better to save the piece and have authentification for it rather than lose the piece forever? If that was the case (as has happened to a friend of mine) then a standard response of 'we don't want to put a name to it' seems a bit sad to me. I disagree, I still think it wouldn't be appropriate even in those circumstances. Street art by its very nature is ephemeral.
I agree with you in that respect but I can see both sides and simply don't like to see art destroyed - even if it was displayed in an environment where this was always a possibility...
I guess so, but it's not always as clean cut as that is it? For example if a building etc that had a Banksy piece on was going to be demolished would it not be better to save the piece and have authentification for it rather than lose the piece forever? If that was the case (as has happened to a friend of mine) then a standard response of 'we don't want to put a name to it' seems a bit sad to me. I disagree, I still think it wouldn't be appropriate even in those circumstances. Street art by its very nature is ephemeral. I agree with you in that respect but I can see both sides and simply don't like to see art destroyed - even if it was displayed in an environment where this was always a possibility... |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Hoops on Apr 11, 2008 20:32:20 GMT 1, Why not just save the peice and keep it for yourself , You didnt pay for it so the cost to you is zero............You dont have to sell it to appreciate it, and if you love it then you dont need proof.........You only need proof if you want to sell it on
Why not just save the peice and keep it for yourself , You didnt pay for it so the cost to you is zero............You dont have to sell it to appreciate it, and if you love it then you dont need proof.........You only need proof if you want to sell it on
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by funyoung on Apr 11, 2008 20:33:07 GMT 1, I have 3 'salvaged' pieces (that would have otherwise been lost forever) that people wish to sell through my gallery at the moment but I can't do that without authenticity, and PC can't give that.
Can i ask why you can't sell them? Would they not be sold on their artistic merits alone? Admittedly you couldn't say they were done by banksy but does that matter?
Or do you have to take account of Artists Resale Tax?
I think I'm probably missing something.
I have 3 'salvaged' pieces (that would have otherwise been lost forever) that people wish to sell through my gallery at the moment but I can't do that without authenticity, and PC can't give that. Can i ask why you can't sell them? Would they not be sold on their artistic merits alone? Admittedly you couldn't say they were done by banksy but does that matter? Or do you have to take account of Artists Resale Tax? I think I'm probably missing something. |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mrmustard on Apr 11, 2008 21:39:20 GMT 1, The point with these pieces is they wouldnt still be on the street - they would have been rotting in a landfill site or at a builders dump. Otherwise we wouldnt consider exhibiting them. I agree street art should be left where it is unless its going to be destroyed.
The point with these pieces is they wouldnt still be on the street - they would have been rotting in a landfill site or at a builders dump. Otherwise we wouldnt consider exhibiting them. I agree street art should be left where it is unless its going to be destroyed.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by loucastel on Apr 11, 2008 21:39:44 GMT 1, There is no resale tax as Pest Control will not say whether they are Banksy pieces or not (I assume this is due to legal reasons as afterall it could be deemed as vandalism if they agreed they are his - I know we all believe this is art not vandalism but the law sees it differently) I think you'll find it's simply because they don't want pests like you selling street pieces and/or encouraging other people to do so. Is there one person on this forum who'd rather see a street piece in a gallery rather than on the street?
And to use the excuse that it is being saved is absolute rubbish, it all boils down to money!!!
There is no resale tax as Pest Control will not say whether they are Banksy pieces or not (I assume this is due to legal reasons as afterall it could be deemed as vandalism if they agreed they are his - I know we all believe this is art not vandalism but the law sees it differently) I think you'll find it's simply because they don't want pests like you selling street pieces and/or encouraging other people to do so. Is there one person on this forum who'd rather see a street piece in a gallery rather than on the street? In all truthfulness I would prefer to see it on the street or destroyed first, rather that seeing it in some money grabbing gallery trying to sell it for big bucks, I'm sure that was never the intention of the artist, after all if it had stayed on the wall or whatever, erosion by the elements would have eventually destroyed the piece. And to use the excuse that it is being saved is absolute rubbish, it all boils down to money!!! |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by motor on Apr 11, 2008 21:41:37 GMT 1, [ Is there one person on this forum who'd rather see a street piece in a gallery rather than on the street?
I can imagine there are few-especially those who are trying to sell these 
[ Is there one person on this forum who'd rather see a street piece in a gallery rather than on the street? I can imagine there are few-especially those who are trying to sell these |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by motor on Apr 11, 2008 21:45:50 GMT 1, In all truthfulness I would prefer to see it on the street or destroyed first, rather that seeing it in some money grabbing gallery trying to sell it for big bucks, I'm sure that was never the intention of the artist, after all if it had stayed on the wall or whatever, erosion by the elements would have eventually destroyed the piece. And to use the excuse that it is being saved is absolute rubbish, it all boils down to money!!!
Well said dude.
In all truthfulness I would prefer to see it on the street or destroyed first, rather that seeing it in some money grabbing gallery trying to sell it for big bucks, I'm sure that was never the intention of the artist, after all if it had stayed on the wall or whatever, erosion by the elements would have eventually destroyed the piece. And to use the excuse that it is being saved is absolute rubbish, it all boils down to money!!! Well said dude. |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by foreman on Apr 11, 2008 21:52:57 GMT 1, I agree street art should be left where it is unless its going to be destroyed.
all street art is meant to be destroyed eventually. that is what makes it street art
I agree street art should be left where it is unless its going to be destroyed. all street art is meant to be destroyed eventually. that is what makes it street art |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mrmustard on Apr 11, 2008 21:55:12 GMT 1, OK, well it's good to get some feedback, though it's not the feedback I expected as I assumed people would want to see this stuff. So we will have a rethink and probably just stick with selling the prints...
OK, well it's good to get some feedback, though it's not the feedback I expected as I assumed people would want to see this stuff. So we will have a rethink and probably just stick with selling the prints...
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by felix on Apr 11, 2008 22:01:03 GMT 1, I think that if stuff is 'saved' from being destroyed it should be donated to a non-profit gallery for the nation to see, not just sold for profit to some speculator who bungs it in storage and sells it for millions in years to come.
So yes, I think some street art should be preserved for our children to see in the Tate, anyone seen Children of Men ;D (terrible film)
I think that if stuff is 'saved' from being destroyed it should be donated to a non-profit gallery for the nation to see, not just sold for profit to some speculator who bungs it in storage and sells it for millions in years to come.
So yes, I think some street art should be preserved for our children to see in the Tate, anyone seen Children of Men ;D (terrible film)
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by rosstierney on Apr 11, 2008 22:29:16 GMT 1, reading threads like this & 'The Art Of The Duck..On The Street' make me mad
all who say they wouldn't claim a removable piece of street art, especially from an established artist, is 
you know it's only going to be taken by someone else so why not?
the difference between you might be that you'd keep & appreciate rather than sell but you'd still claim
if i'd have come across this before it was taken, it would of been claimed & framed
give your fingers a break & don't reply, i don't want to hear it
you're only going to sin & make the lurkers who are affraid to admit it, mad too
reading threads like this & 'The Art Of The Duck..On The Street' make me mad all who say they wouldn't claim a removable piece of street art, especially from an established artist, is you know it's only going to be taken by someone else so why not? the difference between you might be that you'd keep & appreciate rather than sell but you'd still claim if i'd have come across this before it was taken, it would of been claimed & framed give your fingers a break & don't reply, i don't want to hear it you're only going to sin & make the lurkers who are affraid to admit it, mad too |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by kingleopald on Apr 11, 2008 22:53:41 GMT 1, I have 3 'salvaged' pieces (that would have otherwise been lost forever) that people wish to sell through my gallery at the moment but I can't do that without authenticity, and PC can't give that. Would rather they had been lost forever than see you and your grubby mates make a profit. 3 cheers for PC.
I have 3 'salvaged' pieces (that would have otherwise been lost forever) that people wish to sell through my gallery at the moment but I can't do that without authenticity, and PC can't give that. Would rather they had been lost forever than see you and your grubby mates make a profit. 3 cheers for PC. |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by thinkbank on Apr 11, 2008 23:06:03 GMT 1, does that mean if you '''aquire'' a street piece you can now get it authenticated???
surely this will encourage theft?
does that mean if you '''aquire'' a street piece you can now get it authenticated???
surely this will encourage theft?
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by rosstierney on Apr 11, 2008 23:16:15 GMT 1, does that mean if you '''aquire'' a street piece you can now get it authenticated??? surely this will encourage theft?
read the thread
does that mean if you '''aquire'' a street piece you can now get it authenticated??? surely this will encourage theft? read the thread |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by jB on Apr 11, 2008 23:47:21 GMT 1, im actually looking to get three u/s banksy's authenticated...i sent it to both POW and Pest control...we'll see which one is quicker
I was torn as to where I shouldve sent it since they are just u/s editions
im actually looking to get three u/s banksy's authenticated...i sent it to both POW and Pest control...we'll see which one is quicker
I was torn as to where I shouldve sent it since they are just u/s editions
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mrmustard on Apr 12, 2008 8:17:04 GMT 1, I have 3 'salvaged' pieces (that would have otherwise been lost forever) that people wish to sell through my gallery at the moment but I can't do that without authenticity, and PC can't give that. Would rather they had been lost forever than see you and your grubby mates make a profit. 3 cheers for PC. Ok, you have an opinion, but less of the insults yeah? Everyone has assumed these pieces are going to make profit for people concerned where as a large proportion of any money made would have been going to charity and local youth art groups/projects. My gallery is not a slick, pristine money making venture it's a place where I show my own work and work by up and coming local artists. We make a small profit to cover costs and keep the roof over our heads. Being called pests, grubby, greedy etc is simply not true. Urban art is a new thing we have looked into as so many people contact us asking to show work with us, but if this is the attitude of the urban/street art buyer then it's a market I would prefer to stay away from as a lot of the attitudes of people on here has been very unfair and negative.
I have 3 'salvaged' pieces (that would have otherwise been lost forever) that people wish to sell through my gallery at the moment but I can't do that without authenticity, and PC can't give that. Would rather they had been lost forever than see you and your grubby mates make a profit. 3 cheers for PC. Ok, you have an opinion, but less of the insults yeah? Everyone has assumed these pieces are going to make profit for people concerned where as a large proportion of any money made would have been going to charity and local youth art groups/projects. My gallery is not a slick, pristine money making venture it's a place where I show my own work and work by up and coming local artists. We make a small profit to cover costs and keep the roof over our heads. Being called pests, grubby, greedy etc is simply not true. Urban art is a new thing we have looked into as so many people contact us asking to show work with us, but if this is the attitude of the urban/street art buyer then it's a market I would prefer to stay away from as a lot of the attitudes of people on here has been very unfair and negative. |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 12, 2008 8:54:37 GMT 1, jB, PC are doing originals only for the timebeing and POW the prints . You're actually better of this way as there is a fee for PC authentication, which may seem high for u/s prints while any amount is a snippet these days for varification of a Mr B original!!! UNLESS IT'S A FAKE!!! ;D  
mrmustard, I for one have no problem with your aproach, but i do agree with other members to an extent. The policy of not offerring COA for pieces not meant for sale will hopefully (some chance!!!) discourage some from removing street pieces from their setting or indeed sections of walls that don't belong to them. However in practice we all accept people will remove whatever is removable, whether we like it or not. You seem to be disappointed that you won't get a guaranteed premium that would come with a PC COA!! Who can blame you? But please remember the artist did not get paid or commissioned to produce these works or do so for you or anyone else to sell on. In that instance, you only need to cover your retrieval costs after which you're looking at 100% profit, so it does seem a little selfish (no offence intended) to pine on this forum for lost potential revenues. I really don't see what sort of empathy you were hoping for from street art enthusiasts who believe in many cases that it should rot or be painted over rather than sold.
Whilst I don't hate you for "salvaging" these works or indeed selling them, I think you should reconsider your reason for posting and what response you were expecting. Just a friendly suggestion, but even a turd with Banksy DNA on it is an attraction these days!! Why not have these wonderful pieces on display in your gallery as a draw to help you sell all the other work? You would possibly be better off in the long run!!! Plus you're using them to promote all these "up and comers" and your own art - How often do fledglings get the chance to use the pull of the biggest name out there to get exposure and sales? I think you're doing these artists an injustice (and yourself)!! Sounds like a hell of an opportunity to me! Plus, no doubt some wealthy collector will some day walk in and offer a stupid sum you can't turn down eventually anyway, so who the hell cares? I think I make sense, even if you think I'm a raving nutter!
jB, PC are doing originals only for the timebeing and POW the prints . You're actually better of this way as there is a fee for PC authentication, which may seem high for u/s prints while any amount is a snippet these days for varification of a Mr B original!!! UNLESS IT'S A FAKE!!! ;D mrmustard, I for one have no problem with your aproach, but i do agree with other members to an extent. The policy of not offerring COA for pieces not meant for sale will hopefully (some chance!!!) discourage some from removing street pieces from their setting or indeed sections of walls that don't belong to them. However in practice we all accept people will remove whatever is removable, whether we like it or not. You seem to be disappointed that you won't get a guaranteed premium that would come with a PC COA!! Who can blame you? But please remember the artist did not get paid or commissioned to produce these works or do so for you or anyone else to sell on. In that instance, you only need to cover your retrieval costs after which you're looking at 100% profit, so it does seem a little selfish (no offence intended) to pine on this forum for lost potential revenues. I really don't see what sort of empathy you were hoping for from street art enthusiasts who believe in many cases that it should rot or be painted over rather than sold. Whilst I don't hate you for "salvaging" these works or indeed selling them, I think you should reconsider your reason for posting and what response you were expecting. Just a friendly suggestion, but even a turd with Banksy DNA on it is an attraction these days!! Why not have these wonderful pieces on display in your gallery as a draw to help you sell all the other work? You would possibly be better off in the long run!!! Plus you're using them to promote all these "up and comers" and your own art - How often do fledglings get the chance to use the pull of the biggest name out there to get exposure and sales? I think you're doing these artists an injustice (and yourself)!! Sounds like a hell of an opportunity to me! Plus, no doubt some wealthy collector will some day walk in and offer a stupid sum you can't turn down eventually anyway, so who the hell cares? I think I make sense, even if you think I'm a raving nutter!
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mrmustard on Apr 12, 2008 11:32:17 GMT 1, You make sence heavyconsumer and thats what we have decided to do - display the street art pieces and only offer the prints for sale. Thanks for your friendly and helpful advise.
You make sence heavyconsumer and thats what we have decided to do - display the street art pieces and only offer the prints for sale. Thanks for your friendly and helpful advise.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by medicjones on Apr 13, 2008 21:01:15 GMT 1, Hi - has anyone got any further information on this service? The website is a bit bare but I see that they've authenticated for Bonhams. Who runs it and how much do they charge? Cheers
Hi - has anyone got any further information on this service? The website is a bit bare but I see that they've authenticated for Bonhams. Who runs it and how much do they charge? Cheers
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by fastrack on Apr 13, 2008 21:06:32 GMT 1, i think you'll find there is another thread about this further down.
i think you'll find there is another thread about this further down.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Graffiti Prints on Apr 16, 2008 14:51:14 GMT 1, who is pest control and who has set up how does it work etc
sorry if this has been asked before i just never heard of it.
cheers
who is pest control and who has set up how does it work etc
sorry if this has been asked before i just never heard of it.
cheers
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Young Squire on Apr 16, 2008 14:58:35 GMT 1, who is pest control and who has set up how does it work etc sorry if this has been asked before i just never heard of it. cheers
Banksy Authentication:
www.pestcontroloffice.com/AuthForm.asp
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Graffiti Prints on Apr 16, 2008 15:02:51 GMT 1, yeah just done it on some pieces i have wondered a while on now, so who authicates them the man himself!!!
yeah just done it on some pieces i have wondered a while on now, so who authicates them the man himself!!!
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Young Squire on Apr 16, 2008 15:08:11 GMT 1, yeah just done it on some pieces i have wondered a while on now, so who authicates them the man himself!!!
Tiny gnomes for all know! Doubt "the man" does though, seems unlikely.
yeah just done it on some pieces i have wondered a while on now, so who authicates them the man himself!!! Tiny gnomes for all know! Doubt "the man" does though, seems unlikely. |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by leader999 on Apr 18, 2008 6:13:37 GMT 1, So Has anyone had a reply from them? if so whats the deal? do they charge? i have now submitted some photo's of a couple of my Banksy's, which i know are the real deal but i was curious as to how they do their job. I was told that some one would be in touch. Can anyone shed some more light on the subject?
Cheers.
So Has anyone had a reply from them? if so whats the deal? do they charge? i have now submitted some photo's of a couple of my Banksy's, which i know are the real deal but i was curious as to how they do their job. I was told that some one would be in touch. Can anyone shed some more light on the subject?
Cheers.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Heavyconsumer on Apr 18, 2008 8:02:29 GMT 1, PC are looking to focus on originals and may redirect you to POW, will be interesting to find out. They definitely do charge something for the service at PC, not sure how much though.
PC are looking to focus on originals and may redirect you to POW, will be interesting to find out. They definitely do charge something for the service at PC, not sure how much though.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by leader999 on Apr 18, 2008 8:37:25 GMT 1, PC are looking to focus on originals and may redirect you to POW, will be interesting to find out. They definitely do charge something for the service at PC, not sure how much though.
When you say originals are you meaning canvas's? mine are original from limited 600 edition runs..but they are not signed.
PC are looking to focus on originals and may redirect you to POW, will be interesting to find out. They definitely do charge something for the service at PC, not sure how much though. When you say originals are you meaning canvas's? mine are original from limited 600 edition runs..but they are not signed. |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by BME on Apr 18, 2008 8:55:36 GMT 1, PC are looking to focus on originals and may redirect you to POW, will be interesting to find out. They definitely do charge something for the service at PC, not sure how much though. When you say originals are you meaning canvas's? mine are original from limited 600 edition runs..but they are not signed.
Mate, I think that you have prints rather than originals. Originals, in this context, means canvases, sculptures and the like...
PC are looking to focus on originals and may redirect you to POW, will be interesting to find out. They definitely do charge something for the service at PC, not sure how much though. When you say originals are you meaning canvas's? mine are original from limited 600 edition runs..but they are not signed. Mate, I think that you have prints rather than originals. Originals, in this context, means canvases, sculptures and the like... |
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