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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 15:56:07 GMT 1, Only once, youre the second one ive heard of
Only once, youre the second one ive heard of
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by bonesy on Dec 22, 2014 17:22:39 GMT 1, This must go back to them producing more prints than they needed, the backdoor prints. If an edition of 400 actually had only 400 prints produced (plus the 5% APs or whatever) this wouldn't happen. Produce extra prints, have them lying around the shop, number them as they were sold them this stuff is bound to happen. I used to bitch about this regularly on here- the integrity of the edition should have come before replacing damaged prints (months after it was in the owners possession in a couple cases). I personally would rather a typical print without the pencil scratch letters by someone that wasn't the artist. Just sayin.....
This must go back to them producing more prints than they needed, the backdoor prints. If an edition of 400 actually had only 400 prints produced (plus the 5% APs or whatever) this wouldn't happen. Produce extra prints, have them lying around the shop, number them as they were sold them this stuff is bound to happen. I used to bitch about this regularly on here- the integrity of the edition should have come before replacing damaged prints (months after it was in the owners possession in a couple cases). I personally would rather a typical print without the pencil scratch letters by someone that wasn't the artist. Just sayin.....
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by kimble on Dec 22, 2014 17:26:29 GMT 1, Something similar happened with CWSB.
Something similar happened with CWSB.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on Dec 22, 2014 17:48:06 GMT 1, I think in the early days their record keeping was piss poor, so as prints started to arrive for authentication they used PC to correct their records. They used to provide a spare from low down in the edition numbers which they kept for any duplication but I guess that these have been used / sold.
I think in the early days their record keeping was piss poor, so as prints started to arrive for authentication they used PC to correct their records. They used to provide a spare from low down in the edition numbers which they kept for any duplication but I guess that these have been used / sold.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by lucky7 on Dec 23, 2014 8:27:58 GMT 1, This must go back to them producing more prints than they needed, the backdoor prints. If an edition of 400 actually had only 400 prints produced (plus the 5% APs or whatever) this wouldn't happen. Produce extra prints, have them lying around the shop, number them as they were sold them this stuff is bound to happen. I used to b**ch about this regularly on here- the integrity of the edition should have come before replacing damaged prints (months after it was in the owners possession in a couple cases). I personally would rather a typical print without the pencil scratch letters by someone that wasn't the artist. Just sayin..... Maybe in this case IT WAS the artist. How would anyone know?
This must go back to them producing more prints than they needed, the backdoor prints. If an edition of 400 actually had only 400 prints produced (plus the 5% APs or whatever) this wouldn't happen. Produce extra prints, have them lying around the shop, number them as they were sold them this stuff is bound to happen. I used to b**ch about this regularly on here- the integrity of the edition should have come before replacing damaged prints (months after it was in the owners possession in a couple cases). I personally would rather a typical print without the pencil scratch letters by someone that wasn't the artist. Just sayin..... Maybe in this case IT WAS the artist. How would anyone know?
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by craigf on Dec 23, 2014 9:43:16 GMT 1, I personally would rather a typical print without the pencil scratch letters by someone that wasn't the artist. The artist didn't number all the prints even back in the day
I personally would rather a typical print without the pencil scratch letters by someone that wasn't the artist. The artist didn't number all the prints even back in the day
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by thomasmer on Dec 23, 2014 10:11:26 GMT 1, Welcome to the start of a total shit storm, so many were double numbered and flogged for a quick bit of cash or out of laziness, I had two Love Rats with the same number, and a friend had a duplicate Gangsta Rat number the same as mine, its pretty comon.
Welcome to the start of a total shit storm, so many were double numbered and flogged for a quick bit of cash or out of laziness, I had two Love Rats with the same number, and a friend had a duplicate Gangsta Rat number the same as mine, its pretty comon.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by thomasmer on Dec 23, 2014 10:12:31 GMT 1, Anyone ever remember walking into the old POW and seeing the stacks of over prints, hundreds of sold out editions piled up everywhere in those dirty racks.
Anyone ever remember walking into the old POW and seeing the stacks of over prints, hundreds of sold out editions piled up everywhere in those dirty racks.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Quinnster on Dec 23, 2014 10:37:05 GMT 1, A family member just got a Napalm framed and the stamp and number are on the top right hand side and upside down.... They are original owners direct from POW.
A family member just got a Napalm framed and the stamp and number are on the top right hand side and upside down.... They are original owners direct from POW.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on Dec 23, 2014 10:40:45 GMT 1, A family member just got a Napalm framed and the stamp and number are on the top right hand side and upside down.... They are original owners direct from POW. Ha I'd like that!
A family member just got a Napalm framed and the stamp and number are on the top right hand side and upside down.... They are original owners direct from POW. Ha I'd like that!
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Quinnster on Dec 23, 2014 10:43:14 GMT 1, A family member just got a Napalm framed and the stamp and number are on the top right hand side and upside down.... They are original owners direct from POW. Ha I'd like that!
The Napalm I had was double stamped both very faint... One on the left and one on the right...
A family member just got a Napalm framed and the stamp and number are on the top right hand side and upside down.... They are original owners direct from POW. Ha I'd like that! The Napalm I had was double stamped both very faint... One on the left and one on the right...
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by bonesy on Dec 23, 2014 10:50:30 GMT 1, I personally would rather a typical print without the pencil scratch letters by someone that wasn't the artist. The artist didn't number all the prints even back in the day
I'm saying I wouldn't want a POW employee adding letters and numbers to my print 10 years after production anymore than I would want my next door neighbor to do it. Original numbering of the edition aside.
I personally would rather a typical print without the pencil scratch letters by someone that wasn't the artist. The artist didn't number all the prints even back in the day I'm saying I wouldn't want a POW employee adding letters and numbers to my print 10 years after production anymore than I would want my next door neighbor to do it. Original numbering of the edition aside.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by alexdb on Dec 23, 2014 10:57:12 GMT 1, The artist didn't number all the prints even back in the day I'm saying I wouldn't want a POW employee adding letters and numbers to my print 10 years after production anymore than I would want my next door neighbor to do it. Original numbering of the edition aside. But I think that is wishful thinking Bonesy. I understand your point and kinda agree but I am quit sure that PC does arrange all this and that the artist isn't even aware and just let them handle these 'administrative' issues.
The artist didn't number all the prints even back in the day I'm saying I wouldn't want a POW employee adding letters and numbers to my print 10 years after production anymore than I would want my next door neighbor to do it. Original numbering of the edition aside. But I think that is wishful thinking Bonesy. I understand your point and kinda agree but I am quit sure that PC does arrange all this and that the artist isn't even aware and just let them handle these 'administrative' issues.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by thomasmer on Dec 23, 2014 11:01:38 GMT 1, Starts getting silly when no one knows how many double, or even triple numbers there are out there.
Starts getting silly when no one knows how many double, or even triple numbers there are out there.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Dice on Dec 23, 2014 11:39:12 GMT 1, The artist didn't number all the prints even back in the day I'm saying I wouldn't want a POW employee adding letters and numbers to my print 10 years after production anymore than I would want my next door neighbor to do it. Original numbering of the edition aside.
I can say that they did it very neatly and banksy didn't number them back in the day anyway. It's really strange though as there is absolutely no trace of the old number you'd expect to see something
The artist didn't number all the prints even back in the day I'm saying I wouldn't want a POW employee adding letters and numbers to my print 10 years after production anymore than I would want my next door neighbor to do it. Original numbering of the edition aside. I can say that they did it very neatly and banksy didn't number them back in the day anyway. It's really strange though as there is absolutely no trace of the old number you'd expect to see something
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Poster Bob on Dec 23, 2014 11:45:04 GMT 1, I'm saying I wouldn't want a POW employee adding letters and numbers to my print 10 years after production anymore than I would want my next door neighbor to do it. Original numbering of the edition aside. I can say that they did it very neatly and banksy didn't number them back in the day anyway. It's really strange though as there is absolutely no trace of the old number you'd expect to see something That'd leave me to believe that the print they returned was not the print initially purchased
I'm saying I wouldn't want a POW employee adding letters and numbers to my print 10 years after production anymore than I would want my next door neighbor to do it. Original numbering of the edition aside. I can say that they did it very neatly and banksy didn't number them back in the day anyway. It's really strange though as there is absolutely no trace of the old number you'd expect to see something That'd leave me to believe that the print they returned was not the print initially purchased
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by craigf on Dec 23, 2014 11:47:45 GMT 1, I'm saying I wouldn't want a POW employee adding letters and numbers to my print 10 years after production anymore than I would want my next door neighbor to do it. Original numbering of the edition aside. The renumbering would be by Pest Control rather than POW (I do understand what you are getting at, but at the end of the day PC are amending issues from the past)
I'm saying I wouldn't want a POW employee adding letters and numbers to my print 10 years after production anymore than I would want my next door neighbor to do it. Original numbering of the edition aside. The renumbering would be by Pest Control rather than POW (I do understand what you are getting at, but at the end of the day PC are amending issues from the past)
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Ruggs on Dec 23, 2014 12:24:53 GMT 1, Very interesting thread.
Very interesting thread.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by alittle on Dec 23, 2014 13:28:18 GMT 1, You have to wonder whether they had numbering issues in the beginning due to poor record keeping, or whether they have erroneously issued COAs to fake prints bearing the same number.
You have to wonder whether they had numbering issues in the beginning due to poor record keeping, or whether they have erroneously issued COAs to fake prints bearing the same number.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Quinnster on Dec 23, 2014 15:30:50 GMT 1, You have to wonder whether they had numbering issues in the beginning due to poor record keeping, or whether they have erroneously issued COAs to fake prints bearing the same number.
Who knows but they are large editions and it's only due to the value that it's become important now...
You have to wonder whether they had numbering issues in the beginning due to poor record keeping, or whether they have erroneously issued COAs to fake prints bearing the same number. Who knows but they are large editions and it's only due to the value that it's become important now...
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by bonesy on Dec 23, 2014 18:05:07 GMT 1, My gripe is that they brought this issue on themselves. They sold limited edition items, even charged a premium for the signed version, but in reality they had very little respect for the edition they were selling. i think they have some a good job cleaning up their own mess but sometimes the solution is to add letters and numbers to the edition years after the fact? Not cool, completely avoidable, and a problem they brought upon themselves. In theory the numbers of a limited edition run should only decline as time goes on, with POW some of these editions have grown by assigning new numbers- that shouldn't even be possible.
My gripe is that they brought this issue on themselves. They sold limited edition items, even charged a premium for the signed version, but in reality they had very little respect for the edition they were selling. i think they have some a good job cleaning up their own mess but sometimes the solution is to add letters and numbers to the edition years after the fact? Not cool, completely avoidable, and a problem they brought upon themselves. In theory the numbers of a limited edition run should only decline as time goes on, with POW some of these editions have grown by assigning new numbers- that shouldn't even be possible.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Dice on Dec 23, 2014 18:13:12 GMT 1, My gripe is that they brought this issue on themselves. They sold limited edition items, even charged a premium for the signed version, but in reality they had very little respect for the edition they were selling. i think they have some a good job cleaning up their own mess but sometimes the solution is to add letters and numbers to the edition years after the fact? Not cool, completely avoidable, and a problem they brought upon themselves. In theory the numbers of a limited edition run should only decline as time goes on, with POW some of these editions have grown by assigning new numbers- that shouldn't even be possible.
It's easy to say now, 11 years later. At the time I get the impression that it was all just mates having a laugh and knocking some prints out. Im really not surprised the numbers all got messed up and as above it didn't matter at the time, only matters now as they are so valuable.
My gripe is that they brought this issue on themselves. They sold limited edition items, even charged a premium for the signed version, but in reality they had very little respect for the edition they were selling. i think they have some a good job cleaning up their own mess but sometimes the solution is to add letters and numbers to the edition years after the fact? Not cool, completely avoidable, and a problem they brought upon themselves. In theory the numbers of a limited edition run should only decline as time goes on, with POW some of these editions have grown by assigning new numbers- that shouldn't even be possible. It's easy to say now, 11 years later. At the time I get the impression that it was all just mates having a laugh and knocking some prints out. Im really not surprised the numbers all got messed up and as above it didn't matter at the time, only matters now as they are so valuable.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by bjornca on Dec 23, 2014 19:13:48 GMT 1, It's not like this problem isn't still prevalent with other artists. In the last year I received a print from an edition of only 50 from an artist that matched the number of another forumer (realized after they posted a pic) - simple mistake I was told, as they transposed numbers...
It's not like this problem isn't still prevalent with other artists. In the last year I received a print from an edition of only 50 from an artist that matched the number of another forumer (realized after they posted a pic) - simple mistake I was told, as they transposed numbers...
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by ABC on Dec 26, 2014 10:52:35 GMT 1, It certainly does not make it an AP, and DN, whats all that about? equals admission of cockup. That said at least you have COA.
It certainly does not make it an AP, and DN, whats all that about? equals admission of cockup. That said at least you have COA.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Fairxat on Dec 26, 2014 11:06:27 GMT 1, It certainly does not make it an AP, and DN, whats all that about? equals admission of cockup. That said at least you have COA.
And makes your previously reg edt print more valuable by an extra 3k being an ap now ;-)
It certainly does not make it an AP, and DN, whats all that about? equals admission of cockup. That said at least you have COA. And makes your previously reg edt print more valuable by an extra 3k being an ap now ;-)
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on Dec 26, 2014 11:11:57 GMT 1, It certainly does not make it an AP, and DN, whats all that about? equals admission of cockup. That said at least you have COA. Tis a cock up but seeing as PC are the official authentication body and the coa says AP it will be considered an AP by the market, are the extended AP versions of liita, hc, LN etc any different? 69 LN APs which are no different to the signed edition doesnt make much sense, the best APs for me are the ones that vary in format/colour etc from the standard signed edition. I cant really see another way pc could have handled this tbh
It certainly does not make it an AP, and DN, whats all that about? equals admission of cockup. That said at least you have COA. Tis a cock up but seeing as PC are the official authentication body and the coa says AP it will be considered an AP by the market, are the extended AP versions of liita, hc, LN etc any different? 69 LN APs which are no different to the signed edition doesnt make much sense, the best APs for me are the ones that vary in format/colour etc from the standard signed edition. I cant really see another way pc could have handled this tbh
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by .dappy on Dec 26, 2014 11:38:49 GMT 1, ... he's got a Banksy 1/1 ...
... he's got a Banksy 1/1 ...
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by ABC on Dec 26, 2014 12:27:02 GMT 1, It certainly does not make it an AP, and DN, whats all that about? equals admission of cockup. That said at least you have COA. Tis a cock up but seeing as PC are the official authentication body and the coa says AP it will be considered an AP by the market, are the extended AP versions of liita, hc, LN etc any different? 69 LN APs which are no different to the signed edition doesnt make much sense, the best APs for me are the ones that vary in format/colour etc from the standard signed edition. I cant really see another way pc could have handled this tbh
The whole point of a PP/AP is surely for experimentation, and tuning to get the final run accepted and agreed by the artist, hence the different colourways,slight style change etc. Printers will always produce an extra percentage for errors as more cost effective to print more than not enough, these are normally signed when the run is being signed. I too love the Banksy APs, especially the colourways we don't often see; however, Sticking AP on a print years after they realise they cocked up is not an AP IMO. Then again what do I know.
It certainly does not make it an AP, and DN, whats all that about? equals admission of cockup. That said at least you have COA. Tis a cock up but seeing as PC are the official authentication body and the coa says AP it will be considered an AP by the market, are the extended AP versions of liita, hc, LN etc any different? 69 LN APs which are no different to the signed edition doesnt make much sense, the best APs for me are the ones that vary in format/colour etc from the standard signed edition. I cant really see another way pc could have handled this tbh The whole point of a PP/AP is surely for experimentation, and tuning to get the final run accepted and agreed by the artist, hence the different colourways,slight style change etc. Printers will always produce an extra percentage for errors as more cost effective to print more than not enough, these are normally signed when the run is being signed. I too love the Banksy APs, especially the colourways we don't often see; however, Sticking AP on a print years after they realise they cocked up is not an AP IMO. Then again what do I know.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by mouser on Dec 26, 2014 12:41:07 GMT 1, I had a weston that was a double number, was asked to send it to POW, they destryed my one and provided another with an unissued number ( a number in their database not previously assigned to a print) a rare case i was told as they had confirmation that the number was available. Long ago though, now probably i possible as everything is sold out and registered etc.
I had a weston that was a double number, was asked to send it to POW, they destryed my one and provided another with an unissued number ( a number in their database not previously assigned to a print) a rare case i was told as they had confirmation that the number was available. Long ago though, now probably i possible as everything is sold out and registered etc.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by ABC on Dec 26, 2014 13:12:14 GMT 1, It's an interesting one as I for one have never applied for COA. I have original receipts but maybe should now look into it.
It's an interesting one as I for one have never applied for COA. I have original receipts but maybe should now look into it.
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