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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by londonfx on Jan 20, 2015 14:56:15 GMT 1, I didn't know where to go. So emailing PC was the logical route
I didn't know where to go. So emailing PC was the logical route
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by WILLYBKLN on Jan 20, 2015 15:31:32 GMT 1, I didn't know where to go. So emailing PC was the logical route  no hate there.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by londonfx on Jan 20, 2015 16:51:28 GMT 1, When in doubt pest control have all the answers
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by 2badmice on Feb 23, 2015 18:11:19 GMT 1, Anyone else had trouble with PC, mine was/is that I have a BME bought 2006 from a guy who bought it from PYMCA when they were in Scrutton Street. I have the original invoice from them but......as was usual in those days, there is no print number.
So, I go to PC with it to get the COA but it is refused on account that they do not like the way the number is written (it is pretty shit I have to admit), they did not say the print was fake nor did they stamp it with the 'NOT BY BANKSY' stamp on the back, but would not give the COA.
I am not too worried by this, it was bought as a present for the wife and it stays on the wall. But I was just wondering if anyone else had had a similar problem?
I have no problem if it is a legitimate (?) fake and would accept the 'NOT BY BANKSY' stamp to be put on it but.....when they will not tell me if the number I have has been used before, so it could well be just a badly/untidy/changed number but completely legitimate.
Your thoughts people.
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Anyone else had trouble with PC, mine was/is that I have a BME bought 2006 from a guy who bought it from PYMCA when they were in Scrutton Street. I have the original invoice from them but......as was usual in those days, there is no print number.
So, I go to PC with it to get the COA but it is refused on account that they do not like the way the number is written (it is pretty shit I have to admit), they did not say the print was fake nor did they stamp it with the 'NOT BY BANKSY' stamp on the back, but would not give the COA.
I am not too worried by this, it was bought as a present for the wife and it stays on the wall. But I was just wondering if anyone else had had a similar problem?
I have no problem if it is a legitimate (?) fake and would accept the 'NOT BY BANKSY' stamp to be put on it but.....when they will not tell me if the number I have has been used before, so it could well be just a badly/untidy/changed number but completely legitimate.
Your thoughts people.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by WILLYBKLN on Feb 23, 2015 18:23:42 GMT 1, Did they ask you to send it in? Maybe that can help resolve things...?
Did they ask you to send it in? Maybe that can help resolve things...?
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by 2badmice on Feb 23, 2015 18:42:20 GMT 1, I took it there and left it for over two weeks, while they checked it out.
I took it there and left it for over two weeks, while they checked it out.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by WILLYBKLN on Feb 23, 2015 18:47:06 GMT 1, wow interesting... I'd surely want a COA even if it's on the wall today, who knows where life goes tomorrow, etc.
wow interesting... I'd surely want a COA even if it's on the wall today, who knows where life goes tomorrow, etc.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Black Apple Art on Feb 23, 2015 19:00:23 GMT 1, Strange for them to leave it in limbo so to speak. Possibly gather your facts and paperwork ect again and resubmit. I have heard of several cases where it took few rounds to get things sorted. On another note, PC has really stepped up their game recently as far as replies and turnaround times.
Strange for them to leave it in limbo so to speak. Possibly gather your facts and paperwork ect again and resubmit. I have heard of several cases where it took few rounds to get things sorted. On another note, PC has really stepped up their game recently as far as replies and turnaround times.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by 2badmice on Feb 23, 2015 19:15:52 GMT 1, Well I am happy to keep it as it is, but I may try again sometime in the future: either the number has been used elsewhere or not that is the conundrum of this. PC wouldn't confirm. So they have left this one in limbo as you say.
I don't know what else I can do so far as proof of purchase is concerned, I have the receipt but they say no number on it and the receipt is worthless.
Well I am happy to keep it as it is, but I may try again sometime in the future: either the number has been used elsewhere or not that is the conundrum of this. PC wouldn't confirm. So they have left this one in limbo as you say.
I don't know what else I can do so far as proof of purchase is concerned, I have the receipt but they say no number on it and the receipt is worthless.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 19:19:31 GMT 1, I have the original invoice from them but......as was usual in those days, there is no print number. So, I go to PC with it to get the COA but it is refused on account that they do not like the way the number is written (it is pretty s**t I have to admit), they did not say the print was fake nor did they stamp it with the 'NOT BY BANKSY' stamp on the back, but would not give the COA.
Also this thread might help: urbanartassociation.com/thread/21039
I have the original invoice from them but......as was usual in those days, there is no print number. So, I go to PC with it to get the COA but it is refused on account that they do not like the way the number is written (it is pretty s**t I have to admit), they did not say the print was fake nor did they stamp it with the 'NOT BY BANKSY' stamp on the back, but would not give the COA. I'm a little lost, it sounds like this sucks though. So they didn't write the print number on your invoice, but that doesn't seem to be the reason why PC won't authenticate the print. Are PYMCA completely gone, or can they help you out by providing further documentation? Also this thread might help: urbanartassociation.com/thread/21039 |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by 2badmice on Feb 23, 2015 19:19:32 GMT 1, Stamp'Not by Banksy' yes there is and a sweet thing it is as well....that is unless they put it on one of your previously loved prints!!
Stamp'Not by Banksy' yes there is and a sweet thing it is as well....that is unless they put it on one of your previously loved prints!!
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by 2badmice on Feb 23, 2015 19:23:20 GMT 1, Oh I think the problem I have is the dodgy looking number....rather than the lack of receipt. I would show you it but......
Well that would give that number away!!
Oh I think the problem I have is the dodgy looking number....rather than the lack of receipt. I would show you it but......
Well that would give that number away!!
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by 2badmice on Feb 23, 2015 20:12:54 GMT 1, I have the original invoice from them but......as was usual in those days, there is no print number. So, I go to PC with it to get the COA but it is refused on account that they do not like the way the number is written (it is pretty s**t I have to admit), they did not say the print was fake nor did they stamp it with the 'NOT BY BANKSY' stamp on the back, but would not give the COA. I'm a little lost, it sounds like this sucks though. So they didn't write the print number on your invoice, but that doesn't seem to be the reason why PC won't authenticate the print. Are PYMCA completely gone, or can they help you out by providing further documentation? Also this thread might help: urbanartassociation.com/thread/21039
POW didn't keep that well a record: on a recent GR I asked for a COA for I was told the number had been used and I had the wrong number, it was only by me showing proof I had bought the print from POW that they accepted it, how....anybody's guess? So are there two GR out there with the same number?
I have the original invoice from them but......as was usual in those days, there is no print number. So, I go to PC with it to get the COA but it is refused on account that they do not like the way the number is written (it is pretty s**t I have to admit), they did not say the print was fake nor did they stamp it with the 'NOT BY BANKSY' stamp on the back, but would not give the COA. I'm a little lost, it sounds like this sucks though. So they didn't write the print number on your invoice, but that doesn't seem to be the reason why PC won't authenticate the print. Are PYMCA completely gone, or can they help you out by providing further documentation? Also this thread might help: urbanartassociation.com/thread/21039Hmmm... I think that thread may be a little old. POW didn't keep that well a record: on a recent GR I asked for a COA for I was told the number had been used and I had the wrong number, it was only by me showing proof I had bought the print from POW that they accepted it, how....anybody's guess? So are there two GR out there with the same number? |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 20:15:47 GMT 1, Did they produce a print with a dodgy looking number and then thought that they should issue another one with a nicely written number and forgot all about the one with the dodgy looking number?
Cannot PC just say if the number is unique?
Did they produce a print with a dodgy looking number and then thought that they should issue another one with a nicely written number and forgot all about the one with the dodgy looking number?
Cannot PC just say if the number is unique?
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 20:16:49 GMT 1, problem is , the lack of control for these £30 prints back in the day. theres 500+ of these produced assuming that the numbering was correct and no duplicatoion etc- thats a pretty low bar for consistancy to be honest- i wouldnt trust PYMCA/ POW to have kept on top of this at the time- maybe the usual numberer was pissed that day or got the cleaner to do a batch
i think your problem is ( from POW perspective) possibility maybe someone numbering up a then widely available back door
problem is , the lack of control for these £30 prints back in the day. theres 500+ of these produced assuming that the numbering was correct and no duplicatoion etc- thats a pretty low bar for consistancy to be honest- i wouldnt trust PYMCA/ POW to have kept on top of this at the time- maybe the usual numberer was pissed that day or got the cleaner to do a batch
i think your problem is ( from POW perspective) possibility maybe someone numbering up a then widely available back door
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 20:20:17 GMT 1, I am surprised they kept records, they cannot have imagined those early prints changing hands for ridiculous amounts they do today.
I am surprised they kept records, they cannot have imagined those early prints changing hands for ridiculous amounts they do today.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 20:22:20 GMT 1, they did, but sure is was pretty much written down eg 25 to green leaf, 30 to ..etc etc - not a massive amount of detail
possibility that as the record was digitized by a temp or intern monkey, stuff sorta got most/ was wrong
they did, but sure is was pretty much written down eg 25 to green leaf, 30 to ..etc etc - not a massive amount of detail
possibility that as the record was digitized by a temp or intern monkey, stuff sorta got most/ was wrong
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on Feb 23, 2015 20:27:00 GMT 1, I'm a little lost, it sounds like this sucks though. So they didn't write the print number on your invoice, but that doesn't seem to be the reason why PC won't authenticate the print. Are PYMCA completely gone, or can they help you out by providing further documentation?
www.schudio.co.uk/portfolio_item/33/2
I'm a little lost, it sounds like this sucks though. So they didn't write the print number on your invoice, but that doesn't seem to be the reason why PC won't authenticate the print. Are PYMCA completely gone, or can they help you out by providing further documentation? Yup, gone. www.schudio.co.uk/portfolio_item/33/2 |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by 2badmice on Feb 23, 2015 20:30:00 GMT 1, Did they produce a print with a dodgy looking number and then thought that they should issue another one with a nicely written number and forgot all about the one with the dodgy looking number? Cannot PC just say if the number is unique?
Personally the only prints I have never had trouble with so far as PC are concerned are the one's I bought direct and had the email confirmation of payment. Even then I had trouble with a GR.
If the value get's to be any higher I may think that it would be worth legally challenging them to prove it isn't genuine....at the moment it stays on the wall and so far as I am concerned is legit.
Did they produce a print with a dodgy looking number and then thought that they should issue another one with a nicely written number and forgot all about the one with the dodgy looking number? Cannot PC just say if the number is unique? No they don't want to do that, they will not confirm it has been used or not. They obviously believe it is a Banksy or can't prove it isn't or they would have brought out the red stamp....they don't let you have the print back without the red stamp if it is fake. Personally the only prints I have never had trouble with so far as PC are concerned are the one's I bought direct and had the email confirmation of payment. Even then I had trouble with a GR. If the value get's to be any higher I may think that it would be worth legally challenging them to prove it isn't genuine....at the moment it stays on the wall and so far as I am concerned is legit. |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by 2badmice on Feb 23, 2015 20:43:59 GMT 1, problem is , the lack of control for these £30 prints back in the day. theres 500+ of these produced assuming that the numbering was correct and no duplicatoion etc- thats a pretty low bar for consistancy to be honest- i wouldnt trust PYMCA/ POW to have kept on top of this at the time- maybe the usual numberer was pissed that day or got the cleaner to do a batch i think your problem is ( from POW perspective) possibility maybe someone numbering up a then widely available back door
problem is , the lack of control for these £30 prints back in the day. theres 500+ of these produced assuming that the numbering was correct and no duplicatoion etc- thats a pretty low bar for consistancy to be honest- i wouldnt trust PYMCA/ POW to have kept on top of this at the time- maybe the usual numberer was pissed that day or got the cleaner to do a batch i think your problem is ( from POW perspective) possibility maybe someone numbering up a then widely available back door Your last point may make sense if I didn't have the original receipt, would you give away your original receipt to authenticate a back door print....hmmm..maybe! But then you would have a problem with the original surely? |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by SW20 on Feb 23, 2015 23:35:24 GMT 1, Mmm you have an original reciept but there is nothing on it that ties the print to the reciept. Eg if the print is a fake/back door but the reciept is not.
Note. Not saying that is the case but it is a possibility as you are not the original purchaser. Likewise they know I s one of there's but the number is not correct and that it is either a backdoor sold as a real one or the real one/backdoor one of the same number has actually been COA'd. They can only really have one piece per number. So they know it's there's but will just not recognize it.
Just some thoughts not saying they are correct
Mmm you have an original reciept but there is nothing on it that ties the print to the reciept. Eg if the print is a fake/back door but the reciept is not.
Note. Not saying that is the case but it is a possibility as you are not the original purchaser. Likewise they know I s one of there's but the number is not correct and that it is either a backdoor sold as a real one or the real one/backdoor one of the same number has actually been COA'd. They can only really have one piece per number. So they know it's there's but will just not recognize it.
Just some thoughts not saying they are correct
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by 2badmice on Feb 24, 2015 0:26:36 GMT 1, Do they stamp 'Not By Banksy' on back door prints? If so then why didn't they do that to mine?
I have a conundrum....PC do not say it is fake but then again they do not say it is not!!
Do they stamp 'Not By Banksy' on back door prints? If so then why didn't they do that to mine?
I have a conundrum....PC do not say it is fake but then again they do not say it is not!!
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Sweetcorn on Feb 24, 2015 0:36:20 GMT 1, No coa = 
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Unica on Feb 24, 2015 1:38:17 GMT 1, Thats a real shame, especially as the original owner of the print with the receipt. Not your fault the number was badly written and not noted on the receipt.
I suppose it just makes it even more important when buying on the secondary market to make sure the print has a COA or great provenance.
Sorry this happened but I suppose they are taking precautions as they probably are concerned the print is a backdoor that has been numbered as they can't tie the print to the receipt and the number must be unclear.
Thats a real shame, especially as the original owner of the print with the receipt. Not your fault the number was badly written and not noted on the receipt.
I suppose it just makes it even more important when buying on the secondary market to make sure the print has a COA or great provenance.
Sorry this happened but I suppose they are taking precautions as they probably are concerned the print is a backdoor that has been numbered as they can't tie the print to the receipt and the number must be unclear.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Dave on Feb 24, 2015 4:58:46 GMT 1, Do they stamp 'Not By Banksy' on back door prints? If so then why didn't they do that to mine? I have a conundrum....PC do not say it is fake but then again they do not say it is not!!
That would be cool to have a backdoor print with the Not by Banksy stamped across the front. I'd display it.
Do they stamp 'Not By Banksy' on back door prints? If so then why didn't they do that to mine? I have a conundrum....PC do not say it is fake but then again they do not say it is not!! That would be cool to have a backdoor print with the Not by Banksy stamped across the front. I'd display it. |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on Feb 24, 2015 5:42:40 GMT 1, Do they stamp 'Not By Banksy' on back door prints? If so then why didn't they do that to mine? I have a conundrum....PC do not say it is fake but then again they do not say it is not!! That would be cool to have a backdoor print with the Not by Banksy stamped across the front. I'd display it.
Do they stamp 'Not By Banksy' on back door prints? If so then why didn't they do that to mine? I have a conundrum....PC do not say it is fake but then again they do not say it is not!! That would be cool to have a backdoor print with the Not by Banksy stamped across the front. I'd display it. better than a "real backdoor print" IMO |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by 2badmice on Feb 25, 2015 23:56:16 GMT 1, They stamp it on the back......
Oh and it must definitely by Banksy as they did not stamp it!!! That is the point.
PC do not let you have a dodgy print back unless you agree to have it stamped, they did not stamp mine and gave it back but said they couldn't give a COA because the number looked as though it was tampered with.
So has anyone taken in a backdoor print and come out without it being stamped, if so then they are effectively stating it is by Banksy but not a numbered print.
Which is mine? Fake, backdoor or just badly numbered.....if they told me the number was allocated it would make sense... probably then a backdoor print, but they won't.
They stamp it on the back......
Oh and it must definitely by Banksy as they did not stamp it!!! That is the point.
PC do not let you have a dodgy print back unless you agree to have it stamped, they did not stamp mine and gave it back but said they couldn't give a COA because the number looked as though it was tampered with.
So has anyone taken in a backdoor print and come out without it being stamped, if so then they are effectively stating it is by Banksy but not a numbered print.
Which is mine? Fake, backdoor or just badly numbered.....if they told me the number was allocated it would make sense... probably then a backdoor print, but they won't.
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by astrobboy on Feb 26, 2015 0:48:43 GMT 1, So has anyone taken in a backdoor print and come out without it being stamped, if so then they are effectively stating it is by Banksy but not a numbered print.
Or they are unsure and dont want to say either way
So has anyone taken in a backdoor print and come out without it being stamped, if so then they are effectively stating it is by Banksy but not a numbered print. Or they are unsure and dont want to say either way |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 22:19:02 GMT 1, Stamp'Not by Banksy' yes there is and a sweet thing it is as well....that is unless they put it on one of your previously loved prints!!
I thought they kept the print and destroyed them as fake prints are not ment to be on the market.
Stamp'Not by Banksy' yes there is and a sweet thing it is as well....that is unless they put it on one of your previously loved prints!! Wait whut?... POW Stamps "Not by Banksy" On the back of prints if they are fakes? I thought they kept the print and destroyed them as fake prints are not ment to be on the market. |
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Pest Control COA • Banksy Print Authentication, by seqret on Feb 26, 2015 23:24:21 GMT 1, Stamp'Not by Banksy' yes there is and a sweet thing it is as well....that is unless they put it on one of your previously loved prints!! Wait whut?... POW Stamps "Not by Banksy" On the back of prints if they are fakes? I thought they kept the print and destroyed them as fake prints are not ment to be on the market.
I guess you can't keep or destroy what doesn't belong to you hence the stamp?
Stamp'Not by Banksy' yes there is and a sweet thing it is as well....that is unless they put it on one of your previously loved prints!! Wait whut?... POW Stamps "Not by Banksy" On the back of prints if they are fakes? I thought they kept the print and destroyed them as fake prints are not ment to be on the market. I guess you can't keep or destroy what doesn't belong to you hence the stamp? |
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