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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by loui on May 25, 2024 23:26:48 GMT 1, I thougt the site of Pestcontrol was pestcontroloffice.com. Just saw there is also pestcontroloffice.org Is it one and the same or is the latter not legit ๐ค It's usual for organisations to buy several domain suffices to protect their business from other purporting to be them. Usually you'd put a redirect onto all the secondary ones so the website user was directed to the primary domain, in this case the .com I don't think the .org here is fraudulent, but their web team have missed the obvious step.
They arent the same. The .org is from 2021 and registered in Norway while the .com is registered in Hertfordshire. 
I thougt the site of Pestcontrol was pestcontroloffice.com. Just saw there is also pestcontroloffice.org Is it one and the same or is the latter not legit ๐ค It's usual for organisations to buy several domain suffices to protect their business from other purporting to be them. Usually you'd put a redirect onto all the secondary ones so the website user was directed to the primary domain, in this case the .com I don't think the .org here is fraudulent, but their web team have missed the obvious step. Have been checking the who is and donโt think pestcontrol office.org is legit. They arent the same. The .org is from 2021 and registered in Norway while the .com is registered in Hertfordshire. |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by The Greased Piglet on May 26, 2024 0:23:07 GMT 1, I sent Pest Control 2 Change of Ownership requests back in Aug 2020. They replied (for both pieces) in Jan 2021 to request additional info (images of edition number, signature and photo ID next to edition number) and confirmation from me and the seller of the ownership change. And we sent everything back to them within the week. A few days later I got a reply from Pest Control for one of the 2 pieces to say "we will be in touch regarding this request once all of our due diligence checks are complete", but no reply about the other piece. It's now more than 3 years since the original Change of Ownership for both pieces, and I've followed them up several times, as has the sellers, and I've tried from different email accounts (gmail etc) but still no reply. Is this normal? Does anyone have any advice? Should I be concerned if/when I want to sell one of these? Thanks for any advice you can share! Still no response from Pest Control. I've sent a couple more polite emails to them since my post above. Does anyone have any suggestions? Presumably they have a legal obligation here since I paid them 2x ยฃ24 and they've not delivered the service I've paid for. Really shitty. It properly puts me off buying any more Banksy work. Unless they come good on this. Nearly 4 years now. I'm close to giving up  PS: I've already tried sending from another address (gmail) just incase for some reason my messages have been going to spam. But still no response.
I sent Pest Control 2 Change of Ownership requests back in Aug 2020. They replied (for both pieces) in Jan 2021 to request additional info (images of edition number, signature and photo ID next to edition number) and confirmation from me and the seller of the ownership change. And we sent everything back to them within the week. A few days later I got a reply from Pest Control for one of the 2 pieces to say "we will be in touch regarding this request once all of our due diligence checks are complete", but no reply about the other piece. It's now more than 3 years since the original Change of Ownership for both pieces, and I've followed them up several times, as has the sellers, and I've tried from different email accounts (gmail etc) but still no reply. Is this normal? Does anyone have any advice? Should I be concerned if/when I want to sell one of these? Thanks for any advice you can share! Still no response from Pest Control. I've sent a couple more polite emails to them since my post above. Does anyone have any suggestions? Presumably they have a legal obligation here since I paid them 2x ยฃ24 and they've not delivered the service I've paid for. Really shitty. It properly puts me off buying any more Banksy work. Unless they come good on this. Nearly 4 years now. I'm close to giving up PS: I've already tried sending from another address (gmail) just incase for some reason my messages have been going to spam. But still no response. There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund. |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on May 26, 2024 8:22:40 GMT 1, I don't think Pest control office understand what they're up against. They will never have a complete system. It won't eventually just all line up.
If any of the staff understood the market they would know achieving complete provenance is going to be impossible for the majority of works. Many works were flipped regularly, sometimes multiple times in a year. Some works could have been resold 10-20 times over the years as prices increased. I've seen works resold multiple times in 1 year.
Contact details will have changed for many in the contact chain, some will have died, some won't go out of their way to help the new PC for various reasons.
A relatively small percentage had works changed into their names when purchasing secondary over the years. Largely there was no point as the chances were that most would be resold in the not too distant future.
So what happens next. Will people be waiting 6/7 years? Indefinitely? Seems likely if they can't authenticate outside of provenance chain.
The majority still have old coas. I would be very reluctant sending an old coa in for a new one, the old ones perfectly fine. At least you have one and you'll be able to try and sell your Banksy if needed.
Many didn't want PC knowing if they were selling and stipulated that to the buyer.
PC and the coa should bring confidence. The coa concept is clever, like the old deeds to a house, that's why the coa was championed but it only works if PC works. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper that can be copied like most other coas, relatively useless.
Ultimately they're pissing in the wind.
I don't think Pest control office understand what they're up against. They will never have a complete system. It won't eventually just all line up.
If any of the staff understood the market they would know achieving complete provenance is going to be impossible for the majority of works. Many works were flipped regularly, sometimes multiple times in a year. Some works could have been resold 10-20 times over the years as prices increased. I've seen works resold multiple times in 1 year.
Contact details will have changed for many in the contact chain, some will have died, some won't go out of their way to help the new PC for various reasons.
A relatively small percentage had works changed into their names when purchasing secondary over the years. Largely there was no point as the chances were that most would be resold in the not too distant future.
So what happens next. Will people be waiting 6/7 years? Indefinitely? Seems likely if they can't authenticate outside of provenance chain.
The majority still have old coas. I would be very reluctant sending an old coa in for a new one, the old ones perfectly fine. At least you have one and you'll be able to try and sell your Banksy if needed.
Many didn't want PC knowing if they were selling and stipulated that to the buyer.
PC and the coa should bring confidence. The coa concept is clever, like the old deeds to a house, that's why the coa was championed but it only works if PC works. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper that can be copied like most other coas, relatively useless.
Ultimately they're pissing in the wind.
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by lukas01 on May 26, 2024 8:51:03 GMT 1, It's usual for organisations to buy several domain suffices to protect their business from other purporting to be them. Usually you'd put a redirect onto all the secondary.... Have been checking the who is and donโt think pestcontrol office.org is legit. They arent the same. The .org is from 2021....
At this point, send an email to Banksy Pest Control and see what they reply.
Maybe you have found the problem and the situation of many can be fixed.
Indeed, if some send their requests to a company that is not the right one, they will never be able to get a comprehensive answer.
On this occasion, tell them if they also have a low-priced print for us mere mortals.๐
It's usual for organisations to buy several domain suffices to protect their business from other purporting to be them. Usually you'd put a redirect onto all the secondary.... Have been checking the who is and donโt think pestcontrol office.org is legit. They arent the same. The .org is from 2021.... At this point, send an email to Banksy Pest Control and see what they reply. Maybe you have found the problem and the situation of many can be fixed. Indeed, if some send their requests to a company that is not the right one, they will never be able to get a comprehensive answer. On this occasion, tell them if they also have a low-priced print for us mere mortals.๐ |
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loui
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by loui on May 26, 2024 13:01:28 GMT 1, Have been checking the who is and donโt think pestcontrol office.org is legit. They arent the same. The .org is from 2021.... At this point, send an email to Banksy Pest Control and see what they reply. Maybe you have found the problem and the situation of many can be fixed. Indeed, if some send their requests to a company that is not the right one, they will never be able to get a comprehensive answer. On this occasion, tell them if they also have a low-priced print for us mere mortals.๐
Have been checking the who is and donโt think pestcontrol office.org is legit. They arent the same. The .org is from 2021.... At this point, send an email to Banksy Pest Control and see what they reply. Maybe you have found the problem and the situation of many can be fixed. Indeed, if some send their requests to a company that is not the right one, they will never be able to get a comprehensive answer. On this occasion, tell them if they also have a low-priced print for us mere mortals.๐ POW was providing the prints and they stopped printing a while ago. I can recommend WestCountryPrince, since Lroy loves the works and he is one who knows what is the good stuff. Pestcontrol is on here so they will know by now. |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by lukas01 on May 26, 2024 17:40:18 GMT 1, At this point, send an email to Banksy Pest Control and see what they reply. Maybe you have found the problem and the situation of many can be fixed. Indeed, if some send their requests to a company that is not the right one, they will never be able to get a comprehensive answer. On this occasion, tell them if they also have a low-priced print for us mere mortals.๐ POW was providing the prints and they stopped printing a while ago. I can recommend WestCountryPrince, since Lroy loves the works and he is one who knows what is the good stuff. Pestcontrol is on here so they will know by now.
If it's not by Banksy there's no pleasure in buying them. If I have to buy something like this even if there is nothing original then I have to spend very little.
I'm talking about very little money and they should be good quality canvases.
Otherwise it's better to print something at home and hang it on the wall.
Anyway thanks for the advice. ๐
*I believe the PestControl staff has more to do than read our prayers.
At this point, send an email to Banksy Pest Control and see what they reply. Maybe you have found the problem and the situation of many can be fixed. Indeed, if some send their requests to a company that is not the right one, they will never be able to get a comprehensive answer. On this occasion, tell them if they also have a low-priced print for us mere mortals.๐ POW was providing the prints and they stopped printing a while ago. I can recommend WestCountryPrince, since Lroy loves the works and he is one who knows what is the good stuff. Pestcontrol is on here so they will know by now. If it's not by Banksy there's no pleasure in buying them. If I have to buy something like this even if there is nothing original then I have to spend very little. I'm talking about very little money and they should be good quality canvases. Otherwise it's better to print something at home and hang it on the wall. Anyway thanks for the advice. ๐ *I believe the PestControl staff has more to do than read our prayers. |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by Javier on May 27, 2024 19:08:31 GMT 1, I don't think Pest control office understand what they're up against. They will never have a complete system. It won't eventually just all line up. If any of the staff understood the market they would know achieving complete provenance is going to be impossible for the majority of works. Many works were flipped regularly, sometimes multiple times in a year. Some works could have been resold 10-20 times over the years as prices increased. I've seen works resold multiple times in 1 year. Contact details will have changed for many in the contact chain, some will have died, some won't go out of their way to help the new PC for various reasons. A relatively small percentage had works changed into their names when purchasing secondary over the years. Largely there was no point as the chances were that most would be resold in the not too distant future. So what happens next. Will people be waiting 6/7 years? Indefinitely? Seems likely if they can't authenticate outside of provenance chain. The majority still have old coas. I would be very reluctant sending an old coa in for a new one, the old ones perfectly fine. At least you have one and you'll be able to try and sell your Banksy if needed. Many didn't want PC knowing if they were selling and stipulated that to the buyer. PC and the coa should bring confidence. The coa concept is clever, like the old deeds to a house, that's why the coa was championed but it only works if PC works. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper that can be copied like most other coas, relatively useless. Ultimately they're pissing in the wind.
This is too much. There are COAโs from GDP that still havenโt been sent.
Almost five years from purchaseโฆ
I don't think Pest control office understand what they're up against. They will never have a complete system. It won't eventually just all line up. If any of the staff understood the market they would know achieving complete provenance is going to be impossible for the majority of works. Many works were flipped regularly, sometimes multiple times in a year. Some works could have been resold 10-20 times over the years as prices increased. I've seen works resold multiple times in 1 year. Contact details will have changed for many in the contact chain, some will have died, some won't go out of their way to help the new PC for various reasons. A relatively small percentage had works changed into their names when purchasing secondary over the years. Largely there was no point as the chances were that most would be resold in the not too distant future. So what happens next. Will people be waiting 6/7 years? Indefinitely? Seems likely if they can't authenticate outside of provenance chain. The majority still have old coas. I would be very reluctant sending an old coa in for a new one, the old ones perfectly fine. At least you have one and you'll be able to try and sell your Banksy if needed. Many didn't want PC knowing if they were selling and stipulated that to the buyer. PC and the coa should bring confidence. The coa concept is clever, like the old deeds to a house, that's why the coa was championed but it only works if PC works. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper that can be copied like most other coas, relatively useless. Ultimately they're pissing in the wind. This is too much. There are COAโs from GDP that still havenโt been sent. Almost five years from purchaseโฆ |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on May 28, 2024 7:26:06 GMT 1, I don't think Pest control office understand what they're up against. They will never have a complete system. It won't eventually just all line up. If any of the staff understood the market they would know achieving complete provenance is going to be impossible for the majority of works. Many works were flipped regularly, sometimes multiple times in a year. Some works could have been resold 10-20 times over the years as prices increased. I've seen works resold multiple times in 1 year. Contact details will have changed for many in the contact chain, some will have died, some won't go out of their way to help the new PC for various reasons. A relatively small percentage had works changed into their names when purchasing secondary over the years. Largely there was no point as the chances were that most would be resold in the not too distant future. So what happens next. Will people be waiting 6/7 years? Indefinitely? Seems likely if they can't authenticate outside of provenance chain. The majority still have old coas. I would be very reluctant sending an old coa in for a new one, the old ones perfectly fine. At least you have one and you'll be able to try and sell your Banksy if needed. Many didn't want PC knowing if they were selling and stipulated that to the buyer. PC and the coa should bring confidence. The coa concept is clever, like the old deeds to a house, that's why the coa was championed but it only works if PC works. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper that can be copied like most other coas, relatively useless. Ultimately they're pissing in the wind. This is too much. There are COAโs from GDP that still havenโt been sent. Almost five years from purchaseโฆ
Everyone's at their mercy(for now). No guarantees of anything whatsoever when it comes to Pest Control Office Ltd.
The printer for many of the early works has been refused coas for his printers proofs. Museum pieces, being the very first print of many of the artists iconic images. The reason for refusal to issue him coas is that it's no longer company policy to issue coas for printers proofs. And yet they've issued coas for plenty of PPs created at later dates. The irony is his prints have rock solid, indisputable provenance.
So they're effectively backdating a newly created company policy to the very beginning, because they feel they can get away with it.
I don't think Pest control office understand what they're up against. They will never have a complete system. It won't eventually just all line up. If any of the staff understood the market they would know achieving complete provenance is going to be impossible for the majority of works. Many works were flipped regularly, sometimes multiple times in a year. Some works could have been resold 10-20 times over the years as prices increased. I've seen works resold multiple times in 1 year. Contact details will have changed for many in the contact chain, some will have died, some won't go out of their way to help the new PC for various reasons. A relatively small percentage had works changed into their names when purchasing secondary over the years. Largely there was no point as the chances were that most would be resold in the not too distant future. So what happens next. Will people be waiting 6/7 years? Indefinitely? Seems likely if they can't authenticate outside of provenance chain. The majority still have old coas. I would be very reluctant sending an old coa in for a new one, the old ones perfectly fine. At least you have one and you'll be able to try and sell your Banksy if needed. Many didn't want PC knowing if they were selling and stipulated that to the buyer. PC and the coa should bring confidence. The coa concept is clever, like the old deeds to a house, that's why the coa was championed but it only works if PC works. Otherwise it's just a piece of paper that can be copied like most other coas, relatively useless. Ultimately they're pissing in the wind. This is too much. There are COAโs from GDP that still havenโt been sent. Almost five years from purchaseโฆ I feel for anyone left hanging, not knowing if/when they'll get a coa/response. But at least they still have hope to cling on to. There is cases of completely legitimate works that won't be issued a Coa as the paper provenance of 20 years isn't complete. Everyone's at their mercy(for now). No guarantees of anything whatsoever when it comes to Pest Control Office Ltd. The printer for many of the early works has been refused coas for his printers proofs. Museum pieces, being the very first print of many of the artists iconic images. The reason for refusal to issue him coas is that it's no longer company policy to issue coas for printers proofs. And yet they've issued coas for plenty of PPs created at later dates. The irony is his prints have rock solid, indisputable provenance. So they're effectively backdating a newly created company policy to the very beginning, because they feel they can get away with it. |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by radnatic on May 28, 2024 7:55:31 GMT 1, Yes, Iยดm still waiting. So far the bill hasn't even come.
Yes, Iยดm still waiting. So far the bill hasn't even come. |
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loui
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by loui on May 28, 2024 8:40:29 GMT 1, This is too much. There are COAโs from GDP that still havenโt been sent. Almost five years from purchaseโฆ The printer for many of the early works has been refused coas for his printers proofs. Museum pieces, being the very first print of many of the artists iconic images. The reason for refusal to issue him coas is that it's no longer company policy to issue coas for printers proofs. And yet they've issued coas for plenty of PPs created at later dates. The irony is his prints have rock solid, indisputable provenance.
This is too much. There are COAโs from GDP that still havenโt been sent. Almost five years from purchaseโฆ The printer for many of the early works has been refused coas for his printers proofs. Museum pieces, being the very first print of many of the artists iconic images. The reason for refusal to issue him coas is that it's no longer company policy to issue coas for printers proofs. And yet they've issued coas for plenty of PPs created at later dates. The irony is his prints have rock solid, indisputable provenance. What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coaโs to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here. |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by Reader on May 28, 2024 10:02:21 GMT 1, The printer for many of the early works has been refused coas for his printers proofs. Museum pieces, being the very first print of many of the artists iconic images. The reason for refusal to issue him coas is that it's no longer company policy to issue coas for printers proofs. And yet they've issued coas for plenty of PPs created at later dates. The irony is his prints have rock solid, indisputable provenance. What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coaโs to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here.
The printer for many of the early works has been refused coas for his printers proofs. Museum pieces, being the very first print of many of the artists iconic images. The reason for refusal to issue him coas is that it's no longer company policy to issue coas for printers proofs. And yet they've issued coas for plenty of PPs created at later dates. The irony is his prints have rock solid, indisputable provenance. What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coaโs to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here. I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure. |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by sevrin on May 28, 2024 10:19:36 GMT 1, If only..................
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on May 28, 2024 10:33:10 GMT 1, What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coaโs to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here. I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure.
Legally sound? How Banksy
The printer never applied for coas before, it's a brand new policy blanketing PPs. That's absolutely fine but the policy can only be enforced from the point of creation, it can't be backdated and used as an excuse, 20 years later.
2006 Barely Legal PP prints get coas, 2009 No Ball Games PPs get coas etc etc. More recent prints get coas but GWB, Barcode etc don't?
You understand that the coa is what is deemed to make a Banksy print valuable?
So a rare print, the first of their kinds, of some of the most iconic images, with rock solid provenance should be sold for a fraction of their value after 20 years and that seems fair?
It's a bit of a slap in face to say the least.
Decent guy too, doesn't deserve that at all.
What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coaโs to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here. I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure. PPs have been issued for works created since.The policy is new. The artist was told in person he was looking to get coas, the artist said that's fine just contact PC. Legally sound? How Banksy The printer never applied for coas before, it's a brand new policy blanketing PPs. That's absolutely fine but the policy can only be enforced from the point of creation, it can't be backdated and used as an excuse, 20 years later. 2006 Barely Legal PP prints get coas, 2009 No Ball Games PPs get coas etc etc. More recent prints get coas but GWB, Barcode etc don't? You understand that the coa is what is deemed to make a Banksy print valuable? So a rare print, the first of their kinds, of some of the most iconic images, with rock solid provenance should be sold for a fraction of their value after 20 years and that seems fair? It's a bit of a slap in face to say the least. Decent guy too, doesn't deserve that at all. |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by Reader on May 28, 2024 13:10:53 GMT 1, No disrespect, but if he's the printer, he got paid for a job, this included keeping a couple of PP's for the archive. PP's of those you mention would be worth hundreds of thousands of pounds, if not millions depending on how many. I'd suggest offering them to an institution or selling them back to the artist for an agreed sum. At some point in the future PC certification won't be necessary, signature and provenance will suffice, as it does with all other artists bar a few. So his grandkids should probably do ok.
On the issue of COA ethics for PP's, I guess it depends who receives them. Like AP's they can be used as a form of currency for jobs done, an artists way of saying thanks, the COA would be a "thanks again". Not everyone warrants the same treatment. So I guess this would be a case by case basis, some deserving, some not. If it's in PC's hands, then I guess it would also be a business decision. And business ethics, for the most, certainly in the art world, is a contradiction in terms.
No disrespect, but if he's the printer, he got paid for a job, this included keeping a couple of PP's for the archive. PP's of those you mention would be worth hundreds of thousands of pounds, if not millions depending on how many. I'd suggest offering them to an institution or selling them back to the artist for an agreed sum. At some point in the future PC certification won't be necessary, signature and provenance will suffice, as it does with all other artists bar a few. So his grandkids should probably do ok.
On the issue of COA ethics for PP's, I guess it depends who receives them. Like AP's they can be used as a form of currency for jobs done, an artists way of saying thanks, the COA would be a "thanks again". Not everyone warrants the same treatment. So I guess this would be a case by case basis, some deserving, some not. If it's in PC's hands, then I guess it would also be a business decision. And business ethics, for the most, certainly in the art world, is a contradiction in terms.
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on May 28, 2024 13:46:31 GMT 1, No disrespect, but if he's the printer, he got paid for a job, this included keeping a couple of PP's for the archive. PP's of those you mention would be worth hundreds of thousands of pounds, if not millions depending on how many. I'd suggest offering them to an institution or selling them back to the artist for an agreed sum. At some point in the future PC certification won't be necessary, signature and provenance will suffice, as it does with all other artists bar a few. So his grandkids should probably do ok. On the issue of COA ethics for PP's, I guess it depends who receives them. Like AP's they can be used as a form of currency for jobs done, an artists way of saying thanks, the COA would be a "thanks again". Not everyone warrants the same treatment. So I guess this would be a case by case basis, some deserving, some not. If it's in PC's hands, then I guess it would also be a business decision. And business ethics, for the most, certainly in the art world, is a contradiction in terms.
It shouldn't be the case though ie they'll achieve their true value someday in the future but not now, because the new PC says so. If he'd applied for coas pre new staff, he'd have got coas no problem.
I guess the same advise goes to those who have legitimate prints but PC refused coas due to incomplete provenance trail or other reasons. Sit tight for unknown timescale and wait for PC to close.
It's not ideal.
No disrespect, but if he's the printer, he got paid for a job, this included keeping a couple of PP's for the archive. PP's of those you mention would be worth hundreds of thousands of pounds, if not millions depending on how many. I'd suggest offering them to an institution or selling them back to the artist for an agreed sum. At some point in the future PC certification won't be necessary, signature and provenance will suffice, as it does with all other artists bar a few. So his grandkids should probably do ok. On the issue of COA ethics for PP's, I guess it depends who receives them. Like AP's they can be used as a form of currency for jobs done, an artists way of saying thanks, the COA would be a "thanks again". Not everyone warrants the same treatment. So I guess this would be a case by case basis, some deserving, some not. If it's in PC's hands, then I guess it would also be a business decision. And business ethics, for the most, certainly in the art world, is a contradiction in terms. I understand PPs and I agree with a lot of what you've said. I have explained it would be best holding until PC collapse/cease operating as normal practice re provenance will kick in and they'll then achieve their real value. It shouldn't be the case though ie they'll achieve their true value someday in the future but not now, because the new PC says so. If he'd applied for coas pre new staff, he'd have got coas no problem. I guess the same advise goes to those who have legitimate prints but PC refused coas due to incomplete provenance trail or other reasons. Sit tight for unknown timescale and wait for PC to close. It's not ideal. |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by STP on May 28, 2024 14:01:45 GMT 1, I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure. The printer never applied for coas before, it's a brand new policy blanketing PPs. That's absolutely fine but the policy can only be enforced from the point of creation, it can't be backdated and used as an excuse, 20 years later. 2006 Barely Legal PP prints get coas, 2009 No Ball Games PPs get coas etc etc. More recent prints get coas but GWB, Barcode etc don't? You understand that the coa is what is deemed to make a Banksy print valuable?
I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure. The printer never applied for coas before, it's a brand new policy blanketing PPs. That's absolutely fine but the policy can only be enforced from the point of creation, it can't be backdated and used as an excuse, 20 years later. 2006 Barely Legal PP prints get coas, 2009 No Ball Games PPs get coas etc etc. More recent prints get coas but GWB, Barcode etc don't? You understand that the coa is what is deemed to make a Banksy print valuable? Are the prints in question annotated and editioned as PP's? |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on May 28, 2024 15:17:19 GMT 1, The printer never applied for coas before, it's a brand new policy blanketing PPs. That's absolutely fine but the policy can only be enforced from the point of creation, it can't be backdated and used as an excuse, 20 years later. 2006 Barely Legal PP prints get coas, 2009 No Ball Games PPs get coas etc etc. More recent prints get coas but GWB, Barcode etc don't? You understand that the coa is what is deemed to make a Banksy print valuable? Are the prints in question annotated and editioned as PP's?
The printer never applied for coas before, it's a brand new policy blanketing PPs. That's absolutely fine but the policy can only be enforced from the point of creation, it can't be backdated and used as an excuse, 20 years later. 2006 Barely Legal PP prints get coas, 2009 No Ball Games PPs get coas etc etc. More recent prints get coas but GWB, Barcode etc don't? You understand that the coa is what is deemed to make a Banksy print valuable? Are the prints in question annotated and editioned as PP's? Yes annotated PP and signed |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by loui on May 28, 2024 19:13:34 GMT 1, What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coaโs to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here. I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure.
What are you saying? Is this a matter of PestControl not applying coaโs to people for what reason? People they have fallen out with? I find it very hard to believe that someone like Mark Howard Stephens would engage in questionable business practices. I really wonder what is going on here. I doubt very much this issue would reach Mark Howard Stephens. PP's aren't produced for sale but for testing and archive. If PP's have received COA's in the past this would have been at the discretion of the artist. I guess they then initiated a blanket "no" for PP's. Legally sound I'm sure. This issue may not reach Mark Stephens but his name is on the list of people working for pestcontroloffice. I can't believe he still would want to attach his name to an organisation that more and more people find dubious ๐คจ |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by mono on May 30, 2024 10:15:31 GMT 1, Still no response from Pest Control. I've sent a couple more polite emails to them since my post above. Does anyone have any suggestions? Presumably they have a legal obligation here since I paid them 2x ยฃ24 and they've not delivered the service I've paid for. Really shitty. It properly puts me off buying any more Banksy work. Unless they come good on this. Nearly 4 years now. I'm close to giving up PS: I've already tried sending from another address (gmail) just incase for some reason my messages have been going to spam. But still no response. There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund.
Thanks for the tip ๐
They finally replied and confirmed change of ownership on both pieces.
Interestingly they said they'd already confirmed in 2021 but I rechecked and didn't see any such message, so perhaps they've been having email issues.
Very professional and apologetic response, so I'm happy with the outcome.
Still no response from Pest Control. I've sent a couple more polite emails to them since my post above. Does anyone have any suggestions? Presumably they have a legal obligation here since I paid them 2x ยฃ24 and they've not delivered the service I've paid for. Really shitty. It properly puts me off buying any more Banksy work. Unless they come good on this. Nearly 4 years now. I'm close to giving up PS: I've already tried sending from another address (gmail) just incase for some reason my messages have been going to spam. But still no response. There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund. Thanks for the tip ๐ They finally replied and confirmed change of ownership on both pieces. Interestingly they said they'd already confirmed in 2021 but I rechecked and didn't see any such message, so perhaps they've been having email issues. Very professional and apologetic response, so I'm happy with the outcome. |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by The Greased Piglet on May 30, 2024 10:48:53 GMT 1, There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund. Thanks for the tip ๐ They finally replied and confirmed change of ownership on both pieces. Interestingly they said they'd already confirmed in 2021 but I rechecked and didn't see any such message, so perhaps they've been having email issues. Very professional and apologetic response, so I'm happy with the outcome.
There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund. Thanks for the tip ๐ They finally replied and confirmed change of ownership on both pieces. Interestingly they said they'd already confirmed in 2021 but I rechecked and didn't see any such message, so perhaps they've been having email issues. Very professional and apologetic response, so I'm happy with the outcome. Thatโs good to hear. Iโve heard that a few people are getting somewhere so hopefully theyโre sorting things out. |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by Deleted on May 30, 2024 14:38:16 GMT 1, There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund. Thanks for the tip ๐ They finally replied and confirmed change of ownership on both pieces. Interestingly they said they'd already confirmed in 2021 but I rechecked and didn't see any such message, so perhaps they've been having email issues. Very professional and apologetic response, so I'm happy with the outcome.
UAA could be useful to PC. The sheer volume of emails they have to sieve through won't be easy from posters and Di tenners to commercial coa works and everything in between.
Perhaps for anyone in a similar position to mono it could be worth posting basic details ie applied for signed CND coa Feb 20th 2020 with a follow up emails on x and y. Then sending a highlight email on the day of the post. That could help PC pinpoint and help with more urgent situations. Easy for them to keep a wandering eye on one thread.
There have been specific cases in recent times that I've highlighted to PC and after several years and many emails, the person received an email directly within a day or 2. Could be coincidence as well of course.
Certainly good for everyone to hear more positive stories.
There's no real need to do this, if the try before you buy service functioned then maybe. I wouldn't waste your energy, I'd just send a letter before action if you've already paid, asking them to confirm the change of ownership or give you a refund. Thanks for the tip ๐ They finally replied and confirmed change of ownership on both pieces. Interestingly they said they'd already confirmed in 2021 but I rechecked and didn't see any such message, so perhaps they've been having email issues. Very professional and apologetic response, so I'm happy with the outcome. Yes that is good to hear. It could be coincidence but could also suggest PCs attention was drawn to the thread/post and with the info given they were able to react and help more quickly. Went from someone potentially not being interested in future involvement to someone happy and content. UAA could be useful to PC. The sheer volume of emails they have to sieve through won't be easy from posters and Di tenners to commercial coa works and everything in between. Perhaps for anyone in a similar position to mono it could be worth posting basic details ie applied for signed CND coa Feb 20th 2020 with a follow up emails on x and y. Then sending a highlight email on the day of the post. That could help PC pinpoint and help with more urgent situations. Easy for them to keep a wandering eye on one thread. There have been specific cases in recent times that I've highlighted to PC and after several years and many emails, the person received an email directly within a day or 2. Could be coincidence as well of course. Certainly good for everyone to hear more positive stories. |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by Rubys on Oct 5, 2024 10:09:06 GMT 1, These guys really need to get their shit together.
I really donโt understand how it takes this long.
Sent the COA request May 23
Feb 24 got a email requesting more photos
July 24 Authenticated and payment made.
3 months later still nothingโฆ. :/
These guys really need to get their shit together.
I really donโt understand how it takes this long.
Sent the COA request May 23
Feb 24 got a email requesting more photos
July 24 Authenticated and payment made.
3 months later still nothingโฆ. :/
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by cools on Oct 6, 2024 4:10:13 GMT 1, I'm almost a year in waiting now...
I'm almost a year in waiting now...
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by nipper on Oct 6, 2024 11:54:21 GMT 1, I'm almost a year in waiting now...
I guess I should chase but hadnโt been looking to sell.
I'm almost a year in waiting now... Iโm at 2 years for one and 1 year for four others. I guess I should chase but hadnโt been looking to sell. |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by hdduyddfj on Oct 6, 2024 17:34:45 GMT 1, These guys really need to get their shit together. I really donโt understand how it takes this long. Sent the COA request May 23 Feb 24 got a email requesting more photos July 24 Authenticated and payment made. 3 months later still nothingโฆ. :/
Best thing people can do as far I can see, if they want a quicker service, is to stop contacting PC at all unless it's absolutely necessary and you're in a position you need to sell. They appear to be very understaffed to be able to deal with the volume of emails/requests and haven't been able to create a system yet that's efficient enough for these employees/this number of employees to be able to cope.
Might be helpful to have a priority button on the PC site with clear instructions on situations it can be used. A system of some sort to prioritise rather than having to look at every email. Especially when there could be 5-10 emails from each person waiting any longer periods.
If someone's in real need of help there really should be a way to get help quicker, otherwise it's an uncomfortable unknown time in limbo.
These guys really need to get their shit together. I really donโt understand how it takes this long. Sent the COA request May 23 Feb 24 got a email requesting more photos July 24 Authenticated and payment made. 3 months later still nothingโฆ. :/ It's a bugger if you're waiting on a coa to sell, amplified in a declining market. Good that it's authenticated and payments made. If you're not planning to sell in the near future then you can relax, it will come eventually. Best thing people can do as far I can see, if they want a quicker service, is to stop contacting PC at all unless it's absolutely necessary and you're in a position you need to sell. They appear to be very understaffed to be able to deal with the volume of emails/requests and haven't been able to create a system yet that's efficient enough for these employees/this number of employees to be able to cope. Might be helpful to have a priority button on the PC site with clear instructions on situations it can be used. A system of some sort to prioritise rather than having to look at every email. Especially when there could be 5-10 emails from each person waiting any longer periods. If someone's in real need of help there really should be a way to get help quicker, otherwise it's an uncomfortable unknown time in limbo. |
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by cools on Oct 7, 2024 3:24:59 GMT 1, Same, same. Not selling any time soon (or don't expect to) so not bugging them about it. I think I sent one follow-up email 6 months after they acknowledged receipt, documentation, etc.
Is what it is, I guess.
Same, same. Not selling any time soon (or don't expect to) so not bugging them about it. I think I sent one follow-up email 6 months after they acknowledged receipt, documentation, etc.
Is what it is, I guess.
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by withnail69 on Oct 7, 2024 11:46:12 GMT 1, 3 months is nothing. You've got a very very long wait ahead of you. We gave up and my friend did as well. He had been waiting 3 years. The only way to get a COA seemed to be to sell them. We then pay for the privilege of 'Pest control day!' YAY.. Where they come into the auction house at a day of their choosing it would seem.. (Put back from July to September. Literally the week before the start of the auction so COA's weren't optained in time for the start of the auction). They verify the work at a cost and issue a new COA to the auction house to go with the print for sale.. This seemed to be the only way to get any form of action or reply out of PC. Despite a few small works I am now relieved of my Banksy's (in more ways than one). Just pray you don't end up dealing with the stolen art registry then things get really fun (they claimed that our print bought directly from POW could have been stolen from a house in 2004 (value of print ยฃ150) and sold back to POW and then resold on to us lol.. and they wanted us to pay money to these fraudulent liars in order to sell our own print! Urrgghhh glad to see the back of it all.
3 months is nothing. You've got a very very long wait ahead of you. We gave up and my friend did as well. He had been waiting 3 years. The only way to get a COA seemed to be to sell them. We then pay for the privilege of 'Pest control day!' YAY.. Where they come into the auction house at a day of their choosing it would seem.. (Put back from July to September. Literally the week before the start of the auction so COA's weren't optained in time for the start of the auction). They verify the work at a cost and issue a new COA to the auction house to go with the print for sale.. This seemed to be the only way to get any form of action or reply out of PC. Despite a few small works I am now relieved of my Banksy's (in more ways than one). Just pray you don't end up dealing with the stolen art registry then things get really fun (they claimed that our print bought directly from POW could have been stolen from a house in 2004 (value of print ยฃ150) and sold back to POW and then resold on to us lol.. and they wanted us to pay money to these fraudulent liars in order to sell our own print! Urrgghhh glad to see the back of it all.
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by ughmarco on Oct 29, 2024 1:06:21 GMT 1, Hi Friends, I recently purchased a Banksy with PC COA,
I was told to register as new owner. I was wondering if you guys did that and is it necessary? Do I really wanna pay the fee and maybe not hear back, wait a year?
Any advice is more than appreciated
Hi Friends, I recently purchased a Banksy with PC COA,
I was told to register as new owner. I was wondering if you guys did that and is it necessary? Do I really wanna pay the fee and maybe not hear back, wait a year?
Any advice is more than appreciated
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Pest Control COA โข Banksy Print Authentication, by hdduyddfj on Oct 29, 2024 6:55:45 GMT 1, What's the point in paying a fee to register as the new owner, you already own it. As long as the provenance is solid and seller trusted you're fine.
The vast majority of Banksys aren't registered under current owners name.
In theory if all Banksys ever created were registered under the correct owners name and PC has capable staff in place, functioning/communicating in a reasonable way, then it would be a rock solid system. Anyone buying could quickly check with PC if it's legit/stolen simply by emailing with the sellers name and print details, PC could then confirm with the owner they're selling and then confirm with buyer it's safe to move forward. Good luck waiting for a reply, buyers will probably get bored and buy something else.
Unfortunately PCs communication/system is terrible and many don't want the headache of having to wait for/deal with them.
It's a waste of time/money/energy.
On one hand PC are attempting (poorly) to create a bullet proof system but simultaneously tearing it apart. Fine sharing unredacted details if it's a trusted dealer/individual but private sellers shouldn't share this info to just anyone showing interest. It's a blueprint for creating fakes.
PC and the coa used to be something admired, very clever, it brought a different level of confidence.Shame to see something potentially so good become so disastrous and wreckless.
What's the point in paying a fee to register as the new owner, you already own it. As long as the provenance is solid and seller trusted you're fine.
The vast majority of Banksys aren't registered under current owners name.
In theory if all Banksys ever created were registered under the correct owners name and PC has capable staff in place, functioning/communicating in a reasonable way, then it would be a rock solid system. Anyone buying could quickly check with PC if it's legit/stolen simply by emailing with the sellers name and print details, PC could then confirm with the owner they're selling and then confirm with buyer it's safe to move forward. Good luck waiting for a reply, buyers will probably get bored and buy something else.
Unfortunately PCs communication/system is terrible and many don't want the headache of having to wait for/deal with them.
It's a waste of time/money/energy.
On one hand PC are attempting (poorly) to create a bullet proof system but simultaneously tearing it apart. Fine sharing unredacted details if it's a trusted dealer/individual but private sellers shouldn't share this info to just anyone showing interest. It's a blueprint for creating fakes.
PC and the coa used to be something admired, very clever, it brought a different level of confidence.Shame to see something potentially so good become so disastrous and wreckless.
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