Easy-Z
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Easy-Z on Oct 6, 2019 23:15:20 GMT 1, Full Colour Black (https://fullcolourblack.com) as we all know is the postcard company at the supposed root of Banksy starting the GDP (https://grossdomesticproduct.com/).
I figured it would be good to have a separate post for discussing this, to not get buried in the GDP thread.
But it just doesn't add up (as does little often in the smoke and mirrors of Banksy).
FCB states Banksy's claims to be untrue:
www.facebook.com/notes/full-colour-black/public-statement-release/2557627524344258/
Though it is a refusal at the claims, it seems to be a harsh lash out towards someone who's coat tails they are riding.
Furthermore, they seem to be an awfully small company for Banksy to go after. Especially when there are so many Pranksy's out there. Certainly WCP, Not Banksy, Not not Banksy, The Real Not Banksy, and Mrs. Banksy are cashing in the same or more that a postcard company. Are some of those members of team Banksy and secretly given the ok? Is FCB on the ok list and brought into this for hype all the way around?
Or is there more?
I decided to reach out to FCB directly myself. Amazing quick reply time considering the level of hate mail and orders they must be getting. So far a pretty civil conversation.
Of course there is the debate of should a company use the imagery of an artist, and what is and not considered public domain. We can discuss that here as well.
Let's share here what we find out in the coming days.
Full Colour Black (https://fullcolourblack.com) as we all know is the postcard company at the supposed root of Banksy starting the GDP (https://grossdomesticproduct.com/). I figured it would be good to have a separate post for discussing this, to not get buried in the GDP thread. But it just doesn't add up (as does little often in the smoke and mirrors of Banksy). FCB states Banksy's claims to be untrue: www.facebook.com/notes/full-colour-black/public-statement-release/2557627524344258/Though it is a refusal at the claims, it seems to be a harsh lash out towards someone who's coat tails they are riding. Furthermore, they seem to be an awfully small company for Banksy to go after. Especially when there are so many Pranksy's out there. Certainly WCP, Not Banksy, Not not Banksy, The Real Not Banksy, and Mrs. Banksy are cashing in the same or more that a postcard company. Are some of those members of team Banksy and secretly given the ok? Is FCB on the ok list and brought into this for hype all the way around? Or is there more? I decided to reach out to FCB directly myself. Amazing quick reply time considering the level of hate mail and orders they must be getting. So far a pretty civil conversation. Of course there is the debate of should a company use the imagery of an artist, and what is and not considered public domain. We can discuss that here as well. Let's share here what we find out in the coming days. |
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jp
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by jp on Oct 6, 2019 23:28:46 GMT 1, The use of imagery is not the issue. The card company has been doing that for a long time now. It's this, as was posted by @manty100
"Aaron Wood, a lawyer from Keystone Law representing Full Colour Black, confirmed the greetings card company had made an application for a declaration of invalidity against a Banksy EU trademark."
That means they are trying to take Banksy's trademark right from under the artist, so they can make what they want with impunity, and license banksy products to other companies (and they are already doing this I believe with the Japanese company Medicom). *That* is the real issue here.
The use of imagery is not the issue. The card company has been doing that for a long time now. It's this, as was posted by @manty100
"Aaron Wood, a lawyer from Keystone Law representing Full Colour Black, confirmed the greetings card company had made an application for a declaration of invalidity against a Banksy EU trademark."
That means they are trying to take Banksy's trademark right from under the artist, so they can make what they want with impunity, and license banksy products to other companies (and they are already doing this I believe with the Japanese company Medicom). *That* is the real issue here.
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Coach on Oct 6, 2019 23:34:24 GMT 1, Also, is he โgoing afterโ them?
Has he pursued any claim against them? I wasnโt aware of any. Heโs simply taking positive steps to protect himself. A defensive action, not an aggressive one.
Also, is he โgoing afterโ them?
Has he pursued any claim against them? I wasnโt aware of any. Heโs simply taking positive steps to protect himself. A defensive action, not an aggressive one.
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Easy-Z
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Easy-Z on Oct 6, 2019 23:37:19 GMT 1, The use of imagery is not the issue. The card company has been doing that for a long time now. It's this, as was posted by @manty100 "Aaron Wood, a lawyer from Keystone Law representing Full Colour Black, confirmed the greetings card company had made an application for a declaration of invalidity against a Banksy EU trademark." That means they are trying to take Banksy's trademark right from under the artist, so they can make what they want with impunity, and license banksy products to other companies (and they are already doing this I believe with the Japanese company Medicom). *That* is the real issue here.
And if they truly are trying to trade make his name, then of course it is beyond ridiculous. However, why not quietly go after them? Announcing this being the purpose of GDP has only made the postcard company a household name amongst Banksy fans..... Which in turn, like it or not will boost their sales.
The use of imagery is not the issue. The card company has been doing that for a long time now. It's this, as was posted by @manty100 "Aaron Wood, a lawyer from Keystone Law representing Full Colour Black, confirmed the greetings card company had made an application for a declaration of invalidity against a Banksy EU trademark." That means they are trying to take Banksy's trademark right from under the artist, so they can make what they want with impunity, and license banksy products to other companies (and they are already doing this I believe with the Japanese company Medicom). *That* is the real issue here. I have seen a few posts on that as well. Is it confirmed? If so, what is the point of the rebuttal from FCB? And if they truly are trying to trade make his name, then of course it is beyond ridiculous. However, why not quietly go after them? Announcing this being the purpose of GDP has only made the postcard company a household name amongst Banksy fans..... Which in turn, like it or not will boost their sales. |
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Easy-Z
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Easy-Z on Oct 6, 2019 23:38:26 GMT 1, Also, is he โgoing afterโ them? Has he pursued any claim against them? I wasnโt aware of any. Heโs simply taking positive steps to protect himself. A defensive action, not an aggressive one.
Also, is he โgoing afterโ them? Has he pursued any claim against them? I wasnโt aware of any. Heโs simply taking positive steps to protect himself. A defensive action, not an aggressive one. Fair enough, and perhaps I picked the wrong wording. See my last comment on JPs post. |
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Easy-Z on Oct 6, 2019 23:39:43 GMT 1, BIG DISCLAIMER.....
I am not endorsing anything about FCB. Rather opening and furthering the discussion.
BIG DISCLAIMER.....
I am not endorsing anything about FCB. Rather opening and furthering the discussion.
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Easy-Z
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Easy-Z on Oct 7, 2019 1:03:41 GMT 1, They are a lot more than a "greeting card company". They own Brandilised, which has been selling Banksy images to various companies for quite a long time (Mighty Jaxx for figures, Eleven Paris for shirts, etc.).
And wondered about how any company gets away with such a clear use of others work.
it is all ironic with how much Banksy has taken from Blek and recycled themes.
But street art is not the same as resale of someone else work.
They are a lot more than a "greeting card company". They own Brandilised, which has been selling Banksy images to various companies for quite a long time (Mighty Jaxx for figures, Eleven Paris for shirts, etc.). I have seen the Eleven Paris shirts at Saks 5th Ave factory outlet store..... And wondered about how any company gets away with such a clear use of others work. it is all ironic with how much Banksy has taken from Blek and recycled themes. But street art is not the same as resale of someone else work. |
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jp
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by jp on Oct 7, 2019 1:06:51 GMT 1,
"For us the best evidence that Full Colour Black has Banksy's OK, is the apparent lack of any public complaint from Banksy. Not proof per se, but suggestive evidence of an official connection, be it license or tacit approval. With Banksy merch (other than prints), that seems to be as 'official' as it gets."
Wow. These are some cheeky feckers.
"For us the best evidence that Full Colour Black has Banksy's OK, is the apparent lack of any public complaint from Banksy. Not proof per se, but suggestive evidence of an official connection, be it license or tacit approval. With Banksy merch (other than prints), that seems to be as 'official' as it gets." Wow. These are some cheeky feckers. |
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by rockbeer on Oct 7, 2019 1:10:20 GMT 1, However, why not quietly go after them?
He has apparently been advised that the best way to defend his trademark is to use it. That means producing and selling goods under it - so a shop of some description is a necessity.
I havenโt seen GDP go after anyone specific. Theyโve mentioned no names to my knowledge - itโs the media who has done that, and FCB seem to have jumped in with a refutation of Banksyโs claims even though Banksy, again to the best of my knowledge, has made no claims specifically about FCB. Everything Iโve seen has just referred to a greetings card company.
From The Guardian, October 1st:
However, why not quietly go after them? He has apparently been advised that the best way to defend his trademark is to use it. That means producing and selling goods under it - so a shop of some description is a necessity. I havenโt seen GDP go after anyone specific. Theyโve mentioned no names to my knowledge - itโs the media who has done that, and FCB seem to have jumped in with a refutation of Banksyโs claims even though Banksy, again to the best of my knowledge, has made no claims specifically about FCB. Everything Iโve seen has just referred to a greetings card company. From The Guardian, October 1st: |
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by jimbofatz on Oct 7, 2019 2:19:14 GMT 1, I hope Tony the Tiger sues thes**t out of Banksy for damaging their brand and stealing their imagery. I want to see a fair fight Kellogs vs Banksy.
Banksy is counting on the fact that Tony the Tiger would never show up to court in person to defend himself.
This board is right mental.
I hope Tony the Tiger sues thes**t out of Banksy for damaging their brand and stealing their imagery. I want to see a fair fight Kellogs vs Banksy.
Banksy is counting on the fact that Tony the Tiger would never show up to court in person to defend himself.
This board is right mental.
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Monsieur2T on Oct 16, 2019 10:43:40 GMT 1, Enjoy ;-)
Enjoy ;-) |
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by jimmyjam on Jan 24, 2020 4:42:53 GMT 1, Banksy Be@rbrick?
Wasnt GDP for trademark purposes... Iโm guessing Banksy isnโt announcing his collaboration with them but seems like heโs allowing his images to be sold with medicom items.
Banksy Be@rbrick? Wasnt GDP for trademark purposes... Iโm guessing Banksy isnโt announcing his collaboration with them but seems like heโs allowing his images to be sold with medicom items. |
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Knowss on Jan 24, 2020 4:51:04 GMT 1, They seem to be associated with Brandalism so I doubt it's a collab
They seem to be associated with Brandalism so I doubt it's a collab
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by jimmyjam on Jan 24, 2020 5:02:34 GMT 1, They seem to be associated with Brandalism so I doubt it's a collab
I still donโt get Brandalism... is it or is it not Banksy side company allowing other companies to use his images. It seems like heโs not complaining about a big company like medicom using his images to sell items. Iโm guessing they are paying Banksy something to use his work.
They seem to be associated with Brandalism so I doubt it's a collab I still donโt get Brandalism... is it or is it not Banksy side company allowing other companies to use his images. It seems like heโs not complaining about a big company like medicom using his images to sell items. Iโm guessing they are paying Banksy something to use his work. |
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by pfffffffffft on Jan 24, 2020 5:20:43 GMT 1, They seem to be associated with Brandalism so I doubt it's a collab I still donโt get Brandalism... is it or is it not Banksy side company allowing other companies to use his images. It seems like heโs not complaining about a big company like medicom using his images to sell items. Iโm guessing they are paying the Banksy something to use his work.
Brandalism is Full Colour Black.
Full Colour Black is suing Banksy to try and steal his trademark.
Full Colour Black issued unauthorized licenses to Medicom.
It's likely, as part of those licenses, Full Colour Black have asserted they have legal rights to the images they license and assume full legal responsibility.
Full Colour Black are a bunch of complete and total dirtbags.
This is also why we can't have nice things.
They seem to be associated with Brandalism so I doubt it's a collab I still donโt get Brandalism... is it or is it not Banksy side company allowing other companies to use his images. It seems like heโs not complaining about a big company like medicom using his images to sell items. Iโm guessing they are paying the Banksy something to use his work. Brandalism is Full Colour Black. Full Colour Black is suing Banksy to try and steal his trademark. Full Colour Black issued unauthorized licenses to Medicom. It's likely, as part of those licenses, Full Colour Black have asserted they have legal rights to the images they license and assume full legal responsibility. Full Colour Black are a bunch of complete and total dirtbags. This is also why we can't have nice things. |
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Knowss on Jan 24, 2020 6:01:58 GMT 1, That looks sloppy as well
That looks sloppy as well
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by magman on Jan 24, 2020 7:30:11 GMT 1, They seem to be associated with Brandalism so I doubt it's a collab I still donโt get Brandalism... is it or is it not Banksy side company allowing other companies to use his images. It seems like heโs not complaining about a big company like medicom using his images to sell items. Iโm guessing they are paying Banksy something to use his work.
Do they make copyโs of these in China like fake KAWS? Are the real ones or fake ones worth anything? Worth collecting?
They seem to be associated with Brandalism so I doubt it's a collab I still donโt get Brandalism... is it or is it not Banksy side company allowing other companies to use his images. It seems like heโs not complaining about a big company like medicom using his images to sell items. Iโm guessing they are paying Banksy something to use his work. Do they make copyโs of these in China like fake KAWS? Are the real ones or fake ones worth anything? Worth collecting? |
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Daniel Silk on Jan 24, 2020 7:46:06 GMT 1, Terrible design, I mean how many seconds of thought went into making a pieces like that? Did they just google search Banksy and used the first image they found. Yeah, just copy and repeat it all over they thing, job done ๐คช
Terrible design, I mean how many seconds of thought went into making a pieces like that? Did they just google search Banksy and used the first image they found. Yeah, just copy and repeat it all over they thing, job done ๐คช
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d.r. perseus
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by d.r. perseus on Jan 24, 2020 17:06:45 GMT 1, Terrible design, I mean how many seconds of thought went into making a pieces like that? Did they just google search Banksy and used the first image they found. Yeah, just copy and repeat it all over they thing, job done ๐คช
Pretty much true with regard to all bearbricks
Terrible design, I mean how many seconds of thought went into making a pieces like that? Did they just google search Banksy and used the first image they found. Yeah, just copy and repeat it all over they thing, job done ๐คช Pretty much true with regard to all bearbricks |
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Happy Shopper on Jan 24, 2020 17:13:23 GMT 1, Same as greetings cards, calendars and other unofficial stuff , they're fairly safe if they use photos of street pieces.
Although I think claiming the image is a "logo" is what Banksy is trying to do with GDP to stop this type of thing.
Same as greetings cards, calendars and other unofficial stuff , they're fairly safe if they use photos of street pieces.
Although I think claiming the image is a "logo" is what Banksy is trying to do with GDP to stop this type of thing.
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Lroy on Jan 24, 2020 20:45:08 GMT 1, Terrible design, I mean how many seconds of thought went into making a pieces like that? Did they just google search Banksy and used the first image they found. Yeah, just copy and repeat it all over they thing, job done ๐คช
Yeps it looks like kitchen dishes or wallpapers..
This grey .. this image stuck on a bear brick ..
Bit vulgar innit ? Or Iโm wrong ?
Terrible design, I mean how many seconds of thought went into making a pieces like that? Did they just google search Banksy and used the first image they found. Yeah, just copy and repeat it all over they thing, job done ๐คช Yeps it looks like kitchen dishes or wallpapers.. This grey .. this image stuck on a bear brick .. Bit vulgar innit ? Or Iโm wrong ? |
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amnasia
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by amnasia on Jan 25, 2020 18:35:01 GMT 1, It actualy couldn't get any worse...
It actualy couldn't get any worse...
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brockin123
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by brockin123 on Jan 26, 2020 0:08:28 GMT 1, I agree with all other comments.
I also bet they sell a ton of them.
I agree with all other comments.
I also bet they sell a ton of them.
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sgolby
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by sgolby on Apr 16, 2021 3:39:31 GMT 1, Well ladies and gents, it seems Medicom is finally stating the true collaborators on their Banksy figures:
I believe this is the first time they are not claiming that these are a collaboration with Banksy, or Brandalism, but actually with the company that Banksy & co sued a while back for stealing his images.
I am not sure, but I believe this is the first time Medicom is stating that these were done with Full Color Black, the official banksy copycats.
TO BE CLEAR THIS IS HIJACKED, COURT SANCTIONED THEFT OF BANKSY'S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.
Well ladies and gents, it seems Medicom is finally stating the true collaborators on their Banksy figures: I believe this is the first time they are not claiming that these are a collaboration with Banksy, or Brandalism, but actually with the company that Banksy & co sued a while back for stealing his images. I am not sure, but I believe this is the first time Medicom is stating that these were done with Full Color Black, the official banksy copycats. TO BE CLEAR THIS IS HIJACKED, COURT SANCTIONED THEFT OF BANKSY'S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. |
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Flowed 3D on Apr 16, 2021 3:51:18 GMT 1, Actually the packaging for this included full colour black on it. And weirdly enough Brandaslism is a full colour black site which organizes licensing for these guys using Banksy images. Total IP theft.
Happily when they made these moulds they did them in China. And China doesn't protect IP so if you want one, and they are cool looking IMO, head on over to etsy and for a couple hundred pounds you can get a great knock off. And a knock off of stolen IP seems very "Banksy" to me. I have LIITA and Balloons Girl as knock offs of stolen designs.
Actually the packaging for this included full colour black on it. And weirdly enough Brandaslism is a full colour black site which organizes licensing for these guys using Banksy images. Total IP theft.
Happily when they made these moulds they did them in China. And China doesn't protect IP so if you want one, and they are cool looking IMO, head on over to etsy and for a couple hundred pounds you can get a great knock off. And a knock off of stolen IP seems very "Banksy" to me. I have LIITA and Balloons Girl as knock offs of stolen designs.
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sgolby
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by sgolby on Apr 16, 2021 3:59:29 GMT 1, If i were going to buy a bootleg I would just buy a WCP LIITA for a fraction of the price. Thatโs me though.
As for IP, Banksy lost in court so no matter where they are made, FCB is off the legal hook. Legal Thievery.
If i were going to buy a bootleg I would just buy a WCP LIITA for a fraction of the price. Thatโs me though.
As for IP, Banksy lost in court so no matter where they are made, FCB is off the legal hook. Legal Thievery.
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Flowed 3D on Apr 16, 2021 4:03:23 GMT 1, I have a WCP LIITA too.
It is legal thievery and ridiculous. Shame on Medicom for partnering with those thieves. and I wish Banksy would release something like it to stuff it down their throats.
I have a WCP LIITA too.
It is legal thievery and ridiculous. Shame on Medicom for partnering with those thieves. and I wish Banksy would release something like it to stuff it down their throats.
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by vethar on Apr 16, 2021 4:10:04 GMT 1, I feel like I saw these on Aliexpress for really cheap
I feel like I saw these on Aliexpress for really cheap
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by Inknart on Apr 16, 2021 4:17:41 GMT 1, Well ladies and gents, it seems Medicom is finally stating the true collaborators on their Banksy figures: I believe this is the first time they are not claiming that these are a collaboration with Banksy, or Brandalism, but actually with the company that Banksy & co sued a while back for stealing his images. I am not sure, but I believe this is the first time Medicom is stating that these were done with Full Color Black, the official banksy copycats. TO BE CLEAR THIS IS HIJACKED, COURT SANCTIONED THEFT OF BANKSY'S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY.
Well ladies and gents, it seems Medicom is finally stating the true collaborators on their Banksy figures: I believe this is the first time they are not claiming that these are a collaboration with Banksy, or Brandalism, but actually with the company that Banksy & co sued a while back for stealing his images. I am not sure, but I believe this is the first time Medicom is stating that these were done with Full Color Black, the official banksy copycats. TO BE CLEAR THIS IS HIJACKED, COURT SANCTIONED THEFT OF BANKSY'S INTELLECTUAL PROPERTY. These seems more like advertising than coming clean. Brining attention to there broader spectrum of knockoff's that are being licensed by companies like Medicom. It's really terrible. |
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sgolby
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Brandalised โข Full Colour Black, by sgolby on Apr 16, 2021 4:26:41 GMT 1, Agreed, however in the past they have claimed these were collaborations with banksy, then with a company named brandalism. At least saying it is full color black, banksy fans will know that this is being made with the enemy.
Agreed, however in the past they have claimed these were collaborations with banksy, then with a company named brandalism. At least saying it is full color black, banksy fans will know that this is being made with the enemy.
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