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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Atelier on Jan 13, 2022 19:56:41 GMT 1, Please elaborate. might save some people wasting a lot of money. As i said i've seen hundreds of these being printed.
- Paper stock - color and thickness - this is an off yellow cheap newsprint stock. Paper is specific so try to
get detail pics of the stock and how the black ink sits on that stock.
- Look at the blackness of the ink of the Rat and the tiny splatters, these are generally consistent.
"off" blacks or missing or noticeably different splatters are signs of fakes.
- One good way to identify fakes are from the back. The printing process created a crude embossing and
warping of the paper around the shape of the rat. This exact look is harder to fake.
- Sizing has been reported to be slightly varied but in general around 504mm (19 7/8 inches) x 384mm (15 3/16 inches)
Pics for reference. One is of my own rat but thanks to whoever provided me these other pics. I forget now.
I hope helpful to anyone about to throw money away to all the rats that have been pumped out on ebay.
Still feel these are a great buy if you can get a real one as all that differentiates these from other unsigned Banksy prints is there being no edition number or Pest Control COA however in 50 years time probably won't mean much. Warhol has a ton of prints out there much like the rat that became very collectible. Do not plan on selling mine anytime soon so I do not care on the (lack of) value, they look really cool if well framed and on the wall.
Please elaborate. might save some people wasting a lot of money. As i said i've seen hundreds of these being printed. There is not a failsafe way to tell a fake, easiest way is to directly compare in person to an original however there are signs that can help you. I'm sure there are other posts on here that do a better job of describing how to spot an original GDP Rat but here are things to look out for: - Paper stock - color and thickness - this is an off yellow cheap newsprint stock. Paper is specific so try to get detail pics of the stock and how the black ink sits on that stock. - Look at the blackness of the ink of the Rat and the tiny splatters, these are generally consistent. "off" blacks or missing or noticeably different splatters are signs of fakes. - One good way to identify fakes are from the back. The printing process created a crude embossing and warping of the paper around the shape of the rat. This exact look is harder to fake. - Sizing has been reported to be slightly varied but in general around 504mm (19 7/8 inches) x 384mm (15 3/16 inches) Pics for reference. One is of my own rat but thanks to whoever provided me these other pics. I forget now. I hope helpful to anyone about to throw money away to all the rats that have been pumped out on ebay. Still feel these are a great buy if you can get a real one as all that differentiates these from other unsigned Banksy prints is there being no edition number or Pest Control COA however in 50 years time probably won't mean much. Warhol has a ton of prints out there much like the rat that became very collectible. Do not plan on selling mine anytime soon so I do not care on the (lack of) value, they look really cool if well framed and on the wall. |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by sandinista on Jan 14, 2022 13:43:51 GMT 1, It's printed on newsprint which every screen printer uses on every print they do. They print on this ahead of printing onto expensive paper. Its pretty much the same stuff wherever you go so you can't differentiate the paper. It will all go yellow eventually. Regarding the black you can get differences in the original related to pressure, screen flooding, amount of medium mixed in etc so again not a definitive. Re the specs etc, you only need an hi res pic or an original to create a positive exactly the same so image if not definitive either and even the real ones could have some smudges, extra flecks etc.
It's printed on newsprint which every screen printer uses on every print they do. They print on this ahead of printing onto expensive paper. Its pretty much the same stuff wherever you go so you can't differentiate the paper. It will all go yellow eventually. Regarding the black you can get differences in the original related to pressure, screen flooding, amount of medium mixed in etc so again not a definitive. Re the specs etc, you only need an hi res pic or an original to create a positive exactly the same so image if not definitive either and even the real ones could have some smudges, extra flecks etc.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Atelier on Jan 15, 2022 0:27:34 GMT 1, It's printed on newsprint which every screen printer uses on every print they do. They print on this ahead of printing onto expensive paper. Its pretty much the same stuff wherever you go so you can't differentiate the paper. It will all go yellow eventually. Regarding the black you can get differences in the original related to pressure, screen flooding, amount of medium mixed in etc so again not a definitive. Re the specs etc, you only need an hi res pic or an original to create a positive exactly the same so image if not definitive either and even the real ones could have some smudges, extra flecks etc.
I've seen fakes and they are easy to spot. There were not 10's of thousands of these given out so unless there is a good provenance story too, my guess the majority on ebay are fake. Any seller selling multiples on ebay 2 years on is questionable. Best approach would be to buy from a trusted seller on this platform.
It's printed on newsprint which every screen printer uses on every print they do. They print on this ahead of printing onto expensive paper. Its pretty much the same stuff wherever you go so you can't differentiate the paper. It will all go yellow eventually. Regarding the black you can get differences in the original related to pressure, screen flooding, amount of medium mixed in etc so again not a definitive. Re the specs etc, you only need an hi res pic or an original to create a positive exactly the same so image if not definitive either and even the real ones could have some smudges, extra flecks etc. Ummm. Trying to be helpful here. I've seen fakes and they are easy to spot. There were not 10's of thousands of these given out so unless there is a good provenance story too, my guess the majority on ebay are fake. Any seller selling multiples on ebay 2 years on is questionable. Best approach would be to buy from a trusted seller on this platform. |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by iamzero on Jan 15, 2022 11:04:46 GMT 1, I have more than two… so again this isn’t definitive advice.
I have more than two… so again this isn’t definitive advice.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Fairxat on Jan 15, 2022 11:27:58 GMT 1, Hardly anyone wanted these when they were £100 on eBay while the event was on, as soon as they skyrocketed, the mad rush to seek
Hardly anyone wanted these when they were £100 on eBay while the event was on, as soon as they skyrocketed, the mad rush to seek
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by avec art on Jan 15, 2022 12:07:31 GMT 1, We can expect this happening.. but really disappointed to hear that the person is a member of this forum!
I concur, this one looked very fake. If the seller is on here, I hope they will find reason to change their ways
We can expect this happening.. but really disappointed to hear that the person is a member of this forum!
I concur, this one looked very fake. If the seller is on here, I hope they will find reason to change their ways
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by samfrost on Jan 15, 2022 20:36:37 GMT 1, I have more than two… so again this isn’t definitive advice.
Ditto. For those of us across the pond, fleabay was the only way to get one. I was fortunate enough to acquire a couple as well in the immediate chaos and confusion of the initial "drop".
I have more than two… so again this isn’t definitive advice. Ditto. For those of us across the pond, fleabay was the only way to get one. I was fortunate enough to acquire a couple as well in the immediate chaos and confusion of the initial "drop". |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by theartemotion on Feb 5, 2022 17:29:50 GMT 1, ***SOLD***
***SOLD***
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by theartemotion on Feb 9, 2022 17:25:56 GMT 1, GDP RAT PRICE DROP TO £1,700
GDP RAT PRICE DROP TO £1,700
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by The Greased Piglet on Feb 9, 2022 22:56:11 GMT 1, These are a grand max
These are a grand max
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Modern Rembrandt on Feb 9, 2022 23:10:10 GMT 1, I really want one of these, but this seems expensive?
Don’t get me wrong, not trying to derail the post.
I’m just curious what the general consensus is regarding pricing?
I really want one of these, but this seems expensive?
Don’t get me wrong, not trying to derail the post.
I’m just curious what the general consensus is regarding pricing?
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by iamzero on Feb 9, 2022 23:27:31 GMT 1, There are sellers that are gonna have regrets at selling these prints especially at these prices.
There are sellers that are gonna have regrets at selling these prints especially at these prices.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by theartemotion on Feb 12, 2022 13:18:10 GMT 1, I really want one of these, but this seems expensive? Don’t get me wrong, not trying to derail the post. I’m just curious what the general consensus is regarding pricing?
I really want one of these, but this seems expensive? Don’t get me wrong, not trying to derail the post. I’m just curious what the general consensus is regarding pricing? I recognise these have flat lined at the moment on price (the usual peaks and troughs). Looking at the market 1,700 looks fair, what do others think? I'm always willing to negotiate within reason if someone really wants to close a deal. So make me an offer peeps! |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by theartemotion on Feb 12, 2022 21:25:49 GMT 1, Would be a bargain at that price buddy.
Would be a bargain at that price buddy. |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by The Greased Piglet on Feb 13, 2022 12:38:48 GMT 1, Would be a bargain at that price buddy.
Would be a bargain at that price buddy. Not really |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by The Greased Piglet on Feb 13, 2022 12:39:35 GMT 1, As I said a grand max
As I said a grand max
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by jjplay on Feb 13, 2022 13:46:45 GMT 1, You missed the one sold on ebay on 11 Jan for £1499.
You missed the one sold on ebay on 11 Jan for £1499.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by inefficiency of on Feb 13, 2022 14:36:18 GMT 1, You missed the one sold on ebay on 11 Jan for £1499.
But that wouldn’t help their agenda 🙄
Like someone else said, peaks and troughs, as with all other Banksy ephemeral items. If only considering this within its monetary value, I feel these will easily be more valuable in the future. The recent spate of awful fraudulent copies of all posters have certainly had an impact, but still some lovey entry pieces for collectors.
You missed the one sold on ebay on 11 Jan for £1499. But that wouldn’t help their agenda 🙄 Like someone else said, peaks and troughs, as with all other Banksy ephemeral items. If only considering this within its monetary value, I feel these will easily be more valuable in the future. The recent spate of awful fraudulent copies of all posters have certainly had an impact, but still some lovey entry pieces for collectors. |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by iamzero on Feb 13, 2022 16:26:04 GMT 1, These items that can not be verified with pest control but are genuine Banksy releases will have their day. Places like Castle Gallery that have a good client list and trust Andy to spot a fake will be able to buy with confidence. Time will tell.
These items that can not be verified with pest control but are genuine Banksy releases will have their day. Places like Castle Gallery that have a good client list and trust Andy to spot a fake will be able to buy with confidence. Time will tell.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by The Greased Piglet on Feb 13, 2022 18:02:29 GMT 1, You missed the one sold on ebay on 11 Jan for £1499. But that wouldn’t help their agenda 🙄 Like someone else said, peaks and troughs, as with all other Banksy ephemeral items. If only considering this within its monetary value, I feel these will easily be more valuable in the future. The recent spate of awful fraudulent copies of all posters have certainly had an impact, but still some lovey entry pieces for collectors.
You missed the one sold on ebay on 11 Jan for £1499. But that wouldn’t help their agenda 🙄 Like someone else said, peaks and troughs, as with all other Banksy ephemeral items. If only considering this within its monetary value, I feel these will easily be more valuable in the future. The recent spate of awful fraudulent copies of all posters have certainly had an impact, but still some lovey entry pieces for collectors. That's clearly an outlier, there are plenty of mugs out there but I'd hope people on this board were a little more savvy. And I have no agenda I was selling these for £2-2.5k during the peak and still have 4 in my portfolio so if anything I should be saying £1,700 is a bargain, I just don't believe people should get mugged off on this board if people want to over charge go to ebay or setup a gallery. |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by theartemotion on Feb 13, 2022 18:26:36 GMT 1, But that wouldn’t help their agenda 🙄 Like someone else said, peaks and troughs, as with all other Banksy ephemeral items. If only considering this within its monetary value, I feel these will easily be more valuable in the future. The recent spate of awful fraudulent copies of all posters have certainly had an impact, but still some lovey entry pieces for collectors. That's clearly an outlier, there are plenty of mugs out there but I'd hope people on this board were a little more savvy. And I have no agenda I was selling these for £2-2.5k during the peak and still have 4 in my portfolio so if anything I should be saying £1,700 is a bargain, I just don't believe people should get mugged off on this board if people want to over charge go to ebay or setup a gallery.
I've had a number of offers with screenshots sent to me of ebay auctions showing sales at 500 600 etc etc, the key piece of information they leave out here is that they are all in absolutely shocking condition (rips, tears, stains and crippled to death) and or being shipped from other side of the world. One would argue based on the condition they are worth nothing let alone £500, moral of the story peeps it is all relative. So please no more £500/ £600 offers with ebay screenshots, just go and buy it on ebay instead :-)
But that wouldn’t help their agenda 🙄 Like someone else said, peaks and troughs, as with all other Banksy ephemeral items. If only considering this within its monetary value, I feel these will easily be more valuable in the future. The recent spate of awful fraudulent copies of all posters have certainly had an impact, but still some lovey entry pieces for collectors. That's clearly an outlier, there are plenty of mugs out there but I'd hope people on this board were a little more savvy. And I have no agenda I was selling these for £2-2.5k during the peak and still have 4 in my portfolio so if anything I should be saying £1,700 is a bargain, I just don't believe people should get mugged off on this board if people want to over charge go to ebay or setup a gallery. you state you don't have an agenda, you say that you was trading these for double the price during the peak and you still have 4 in your portfolio and yet are adamant that they are worth 1k max. I don't know about anyone else my fellow members but something doesn't add up here with this chap....smells a bit ratty! I've had a number of offers with screenshots sent to me of ebay auctions showing sales at 500 600 etc etc, the key piece of information they leave out here is that they are all in absolutely shocking condition (rips, tears, stains and crippled to death) and or being shipped from other side of the world. One would argue based on the condition they are worth nothing let alone £500, moral of the story peeps it is all relative. So please no more £500/ £600 offers with ebay screenshots, just go and buy it on ebay instead :-) |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by The Greased Piglet on Feb 13, 2022 23:28:52 GMT 1, That's clearly an outlier, there are plenty of mugs out there but I'd hope people on this board were a little more savvy. And I have no agenda I was selling these for £2-2.5k during the peak and still have 4 in my portfolio so if anything I should be saying £1,700 is a bargain, I just don't believe people should get mugged off on this board if people want to over charge go to ebay or setup a gallery. you state you don't have an agenda, you say that you was trading these for double the price during the peak and you still have 4 in your portfolio and yet are adamant that they are worth 1k max. I don't know about anyone else my fellow members but something doesn't add up here with this chap....smells a bit ratty! I've had a number of offers with screenshots sent to me of ebay auctions showing sales at 500 600 etc etc, they key piece of information they leave out here is that they are all in absolutely shocking condition (rips, tears, stains and crippled to death) and or being shipped from other side of the world. One would argue based on the condition they are worth nothing let alone £500, moral of the story peeps it is all relative. So please no more £500/ £600 offers with ebay screenshots, just go and buy it on ebay instead :-)
That's clearly an outlier, there are plenty of mugs out there but I'd hope people on this board were a little more savvy. And I have no agenda I was selling these for £2-2.5k during the peak and still have 4 in my portfolio so if anything I should be saying £1,700 is a bargain, I just don't believe people should get mugged off on this board if people want to over charge go to ebay or setup a gallery. you state you don't have an agenda, you say that you was trading these for double the price during the peak and you still have 4 in your portfolio and yet are adamant that they are worth 1k max. I don't know about anyone else my fellow members but something doesn't add up here with this chap....smells a bit ratty! I've had a number of offers with screenshots sent to me of ebay auctions showing sales at 500 600 etc etc, they key piece of information they leave out here is that they are all in absolutely shocking condition (rips, tears, stains and crippled to death) and or being shipped from other side of the world. One would argue based on the condition they are worth nothing let alone £500, moral of the story peeps it is all relative. So please no more £500/ £600 offers with ebay screenshots, just go and buy it on ebay instead :-) Believe what you want to believe mate, but the fact it's hasn't sold in a year is proof enough that your pricing is way off, if it were worth near what you want people would make offers and you'd have sold it by now. If youre so confident it's worth more put it up for a £1 auction on ebay and post the link. |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by esimpson on Feb 22, 2022 11:38:55 GMT 1, So many fake ones on Ebay. It's insane people are buying these !
So many fake ones on Ebay. It's insane people are buying these !
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by esimpson on Feb 22, 2022 11:43:14 GMT 1, Some GDP print are easy to spot as being fake and is still being sold 600£ (or more..) , that's insane.
Some GDP print are easy to spot as being fake and is still being sold 600£ (or more..) , that's insane.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by esimpson on Feb 22, 2022 11:46:20 GMT 1, For how much ?
For how much ?
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by esimpson on Feb 22, 2022 11:55:31 GMT 1, Hi !
Usually from 1K to 2K in this forum. Sometimes less (I managed to get some for less from people that had few but refused to give the parking ticket with it, because they had other print to sell).
Hi !
Usually from 1K to 2K in this forum. Sometimes less (I managed to get some for less from people that had few but refused to give the parking ticket with it, because they had other print to sell).
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by iamzero on Feb 22, 2022 12:16:21 GMT 1, I’m still not sure why some parking ticket provenance is relevant to these. I have genuine prints but went on the train with my Oyster card.
I’m still not sure why some parking ticket provenance is relevant to these. I have genuine prints but went on the train with my Oyster card.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by avec art on Feb 22, 2022 13:04:45 GMT 1,
Just a word of caution to someone looking to buy one of these. I am NOT 100% sure of the authenticity of this Rat print.
Some aspects to it look good, but personally I'd want to see some more photos.
Just a word of caution to someone looking to buy one of these. I am NOT 100% sure of the authenticity of this Rat print.
Some aspects to it look good, but personally I'd want to see some more photos.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Babyford on Feb 22, 2022 13:10:22 GMT 1,
Just a word of caution to someone looking to buy one of these. I am NOT 100% sure of the authenticity of this Rat print.
Some aspects to it look good, but personally I'd want to see some more photos.
 - It's my partners ebay account
Any questions get in touch
Just a word of caution to someone looking to buy one of these. I am NOT 100% sure of the authenticity of this Rat print.
Some aspects to it look good, but personally I'd want to see some more photos.
I can vouch its genuine as I took the photos - It's my partners ebay account Any questions get in touch |
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- It's my partners ebay account 
