ecomwizard
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by ecomwizard on Jan 29, 2023 21:34:40 GMT 1, Weekend bump.
Weekend bump.
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avec art
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by avec art on Jan 29, 2023 22:14:24 GMT 1, Sorry to chime in this way, but I'll speak my mind from what I know and there were numerous threads about this in the past. The wrinkles that you should be able to see on the back are NOT a result of the condition of the print but as as result of the screen printing process.
When the thin paper is screen printed on, the ink/ paint medium then dries, as it dries it tightens the paper and this is what causes them. This was one indicative way of telling if it has been screen printed or not.
The photo of the back in this regard is not particularly clear.
Sorry to chime in this way, but I'll speak my mind from what I know and there were numerous threads about this in the past. The wrinkles that you should be able to see on the back are NOT a result of the condition of the print but as as result of the screen printing process.
When the thin paper is screen printed on, the ink/ paint medium then dries, as it dries it tightens the paper and this is what causes them. This was one indicative way of telling if it has been screen printed or not.
The photo of the back in this regard is not particularly clear.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Happy Shopper on Jan 29, 2023 22:47:18 GMT 1, Sorry to chime in this way, but I'll speak my mind from what I know and there were numerous threads about this in the past. The wrinkles that you should be able to see on the back are NOT a result of the condition of the print but as as result of the screen printing process. When the thin paper is screen printed on, the ink/ paint medium then dries, as it dries it tightens the paper and this is what causes them. This was one indicative way of telling if it has been screen printed or not. The photo of the back in this regard is not particularly clear.
It also depends how thick the ink is.
More ink, more creases in the paper.
I picked up my 2 rats from the shop myself and they have hardly any creases at all. Maybe the end of the run with less ink in the screen.
Sorry to chime in this way, but I'll speak my mind from what I know and there were numerous threads about this in the past. The wrinkles that you should be able to see on the back are NOT a result of the condition of the print but as as result of the screen printing process. When the thin paper is screen printed on, the ink/ paint medium then dries, as it dries it tightens the paper and this is what causes them. This was one indicative way of telling if it has been screen printed or not. The photo of the back in this regard is not particularly clear. It also depends how thick the ink is. More ink, more creases in the paper. I picked up my 2 rats from the shop myself and they have hardly any creases at all. Maybe the end of the run with less ink in the screen. |
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avec art
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by avec art on Jan 29, 2023 23:39:47 GMT 1, Fair enough, and cheers for saying so because I didn't want to spoil a thread, and I'm pretty sure wizard is a decent sort, but as I've given approval to other rats, which were wrinkly on the back, I wanted to make the point for balance.
Fair enough, and cheers for saying so because I didn't want to spoil a thread, and I'm pretty sure wizard is a decent sort, but as I've given approval to other rats, which were wrinkly on the back, I wanted to make the point for balance.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Atelier on Jan 30, 2023 1:30:56 GMT 1, How much are good condition GDP Rats worth lately?
How much are good condition GDP Rats worth lately?
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Atelier on Jan 30, 2023 1:42:21 GMT 1, Here's mine framed by Fine art Solutions in LA. I was not keen on them mounting the piece onto board
The blacks are very black
Here's mine framed by Fine art Solutions in LA. I was not keen on them mounting the piece onto board The blacks are very black |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by esfer on Jan 30, 2023 1:59:12 GMT 1, Here's mine framed by Fine art Solutions in LA. I was not keen on them mounting the piece onto board The blacks are very black
Here's mine framed by Fine art Solutions in LA. I was not keen on them mounting the piece onto board The blacks are very black When you say "not keen" does this mean they did so without your OK? I would be livid if this happened to me! It does look great though. Can't argue with the outcome. |
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ecomwizard
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by ecomwizard on Jan 30, 2023 3:13:49 GMT 1, Here's mine framed by Fine art Solutions in LA. I was not keen on them mounting the piece onto board The blacks are very black 
Here's mine framed by Fine art Solutions in LA. I was not keen on them mounting the piece onto board The blacks are very black Wow, looks really great! Maybe I'll keep it and get it framed. |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by iamzero on Jan 30, 2023 7:34:34 GMT 1, Has anyone come up with a figure on how many of these are out in the wild yet?
Has anyone come up with a figure on how many of these are out in the wild yet?
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by kfroms on Jan 30, 2023 11:27:05 GMT 1, Here's mine framed by Fine art Solutions in LA. I was not keen on them mounting the piece onto board The blacks are very black
My framer advised to basically leave as is with all creases etc and not try to flatten it.
GLWTS
Here's mine framed by Fine art Solutions in LA. I was not keen on them mounting the piece onto board The blacks are very black Similar to mine! My framer advised to basically leave as is with all creases etc and not try to flatten it. GLWTS |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Martin M on Jan 30, 2023 13:35:27 GMT 1, Mines full of wrinkles!
Mines full of wrinkles! |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by inefficiency of on Jan 30, 2023 13:49:10 GMT 1, Mines full of wrinkles!
Iโve not framed mine yet as was worried it would wrinkle and sun stainโฆ but actuallyโฆ I really like how it looks anyway! Might be the next thing on my frame list.
Mines full of wrinkles! Iโve not framed mine yet as was worried it would wrinkle and sun stainโฆ but actuallyโฆ I really like how it looks anyway! Might be the next thing on my frame list. |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Peterpan 2nd on Jan 30, 2023 15:56:33 GMT 1, The wrinkles wouldn't bother me at all - they are part of this print/it's story. Really nice print, glws
The wrinkles wouldn't bother me at all - they are part of this print/it's story. Really nice print, glws
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Atelier
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Atelier on Jan 31, 2023 13:36:56 GMT 1, Here's mine framed by Fine art Solutions in LA. I was not keen on them mounting the piece onto board The blacks are very black When you say "not keen" does this mean they did so without your OK? I would be livid if this happened to me! It does look great though. Can't argue with the outcome.
Here's mine framed by Fine art Solutions in LA. I was not keen on them mounting the piece onto board The blacks are very black When you say "not keen" does this mean they did so without your OK? I would be livid if this happened to me! It does look great though. Can't argue with the outcome. A lot of framers suggested to me dry mounting. I said no way. There is someone on the forum who did a very nice framing in Paris. They mounted the rat and flowers which gets rid of the newsprint ripples but IMO that is problematic if you do decide to resell. |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Couch Tado on May 6, 2023 16:28:19 GMT 1, Flattened, framed, and preserved (hopefully)
http://instagram.com/p/Cr5-WcxsrjC
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Complex iCom on Jul 16, 2023 17:24:02 GMT 1, Hello Forumites!
NEW. I have added images of the reverse sides of the prints, which as you can see are very flat. The reason they are flat and not wavy (due to moisture when originally printed) is because I have had them flattened by Graham Bignell a well known Banksy restorer in London. A bit more about that below.
Here are some very clean and flat Banksy GDP pieces for sale.
These prints are slightly different than usual. I had Graham Bignell put them through a conservation process of washing, humidification and pressing to improve the lasting brightness of the paper and flatten them. It was very time consuming but if you like these prints flat then it's worth doing.
The process was rather (bloomin) expensive, but I think worth doing, especially if it prolongs the life of the prints.
As usual please DM me any questions, or ask for more images. Happy to share Bignellโs invoice with buyers.
I am not sure of todayโs market value of these, I based them roughly on the low end of Ebay prices, but have also included my conservation costs. Can send internationally.
Cheers
Iain
Rat A. SOLD
Is perfect.
ยฃ1,000
Rat B. SOLD
Has two very light marks on it, so this one will be marked down in price.
ยฃ800
Flower Thrower. SOLD
Super clean, bright and flat.
ยฃ1,100
Crisis as Usual.
Sadly has some stains at the top (I didnโt do it!) Graham Bignell couldnโt get them out nor another restorer, I tried! A border could frame out the stains, and the size of the print could be exactly the same as Banksy's in Croydon.
Open to offers on this one. ยฃ1,100
Rat A.
Reverse of Rat A.
Rat B. 
Reverse of Rat B.
Flower Thrower.
Reverse of Flower Thrower.
Crisis as usual. 
Reverse of Crisis as Usual.
Size guide.
Framing suggestion of Crisis. Framed so the visible area is approximately the same framing as Banksy did in Croydon. 
Hello Forumites!
NEW. I have added images of the reverse sides of the prints, which as you can see are very flat. The reason they are flat and not wavy (due to moisture when originally printed) is because I have had them flattened by Graham Bignell a well known Banksy restorer in London. A bit more about that below.
Here are some very clean and flat Banksy GDP pieces for sale. These prints are slightly different than usual. I had Graham Bignell put them through a conservation process of washing, humidification and pressing to improve the lasting brightness of the paper and flatten them. It was very time consuming but if you like these prints flat then it's worth doing. The process was rather (bloomin) expensive, but I think worth doing, especially if it prolongs the life of the prints. As usual please DM me any questions, or ask for more images. Happy to share Bignellโs invoice with buyers. I am not sure of todayโs market value of these, I based them roughly on the low end of Ebay prices, but have also included my conservation costs. Can send internationally. Cheers Iain Rat A. SOLD Is perfect. ยฃ1,000 Rat B. SOLD Has two very light marks on it, so this one will be marked down in price. ยฃ800 Flower Thrower. SOLD Super clean, bright and flat. ยฃ1,100 Crisis as Usual. Sadly has some stains at the top (I didnโt do it!) Graham Bignell couldnโt get them out nor another restorer, I tried! A border could frame out the stains, and the size of the print could be exactly the same as Banksy's in Croydon. Open to offers on this one. ยฃ1,100
Rat A. Reverse of Rat A. Rat B. Reverse of Rat B. Flower Thrower. Reverse of Flower Thrower. Crisis as usual. Reverse of Crisis as Usual. Size guide. Framing suggestion of Crisis. Framed so the visible area is approximately the same framing as Banksy did in Croydon. |
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Dutch Art Collector on Jul 16, 2023 17:25:32 GMT 1, You can better take pictures of the back. Then we can see if these are legit.
You can better take pictures of the back. Then we can see if these are legit.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by inefficiency of on Jul 16, 2023 17:36:38 GMT 1, I have No idea about washing, or humidification processes but these look lovely.
I canโt decide if I love the crisp perfect look or the natural aging look better, as I love both.
But GLWTS.
I have No idea about washing, or humidification processes but these look lovely.
I canโt decide if I love the crisp perfect look or the natural aging look better, as I love both.
But GLWTS.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Complex iCom on Jul 16, 2023 17:37:29 GMT 1, Yes, I can post some images of the reverse of the prints.
Yes, I can post some images of the reverse of the prints.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Complex iCom on Jul 17, 2023 17:11:39 GMT 1, I have added images of the reverse sides of the prints, which as you can see are very flat.
The reason they are flat and not wavy (due to moisture when originally printed) is because I have had them flattened by Graham Bignell a well known Banksy restorer in London.
Cheers Iain
I have added images of the reverse sides of the prints, which as you can see are very flat.
The reason they are flat and not wavy (due to moisture when originally printed) is because I have had them flattened by Graham Bignell a well known Banksy restorer in London.
Cheers Iain
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Dutch Art Collector on Jul 17, 2023 17:20:00 GMT 1, I can tell my viewing the back that these are not legit. These are fake.
I can tell my viewing the back that these are not legit. These are fake.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Dutch Art Collector on Jul 17, 2023 17:22:41 GMT 1, This is how legit ones look likes at the back.
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avec art
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by avec art on Jul 17, 2023 17:45:42 GMT 1, he saying they've been professionally flattened by Bignell. That's why you don't see the reverse looking like they usually do.
he saying they've been professionally flattened by Bignell. That's why you don't see the reverse looking like they usually do.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Complex iCom on Jul 17, 2023 17:51:42 GMT 1, These certainly are not fake. In fact I bought two from Forum members.
They have been FLATTENED as I have made clear, and at great expense!
A lot of members know that I've worked with some very significant artists in our beloved streetart world, and I've been a collector for decades. I have a book published about my work with friends of Banksy!
So why would I peddle fakes? And why would I spend nearly ยฃ1,500 restoring them? Are you suggesting Graham Bignell restores fakes too?
THEY HAVE BEEN FLATTENED!!
I'll will find the unrestored images, just for you, ok?
These certainly are not fake. In fact I bought two from Forum members. They have been FLATTENED as I have made clear, and at great expense! A lot of members know that I've worked with some very significant artists in our beloved streetart world, and I've been a collector for decades. I have a book published about my work with friends of Banksy! So why would I peddle fakes? And why would I spend nearly ยฃ1,500 restoring them? Are you suggesting Graham Bignell restores fakes too? THEY HAVE BEEN FLATTENED!!
I'll will find the unrestored images, just for you, ok?
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by compound on Jul 17, 2023 18:14:36 GMT 1, Another thread with facts from authority โthese are fakeโ.
ffs
Another thread with facts from authority โthese are fakeโ.
ffs
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by bookends on Jul 17, 2023 18:21:15 GMT 1, Why bother going through all that time and expense when all you were going to do is sell them ? pretty dumb move....
Why bother going through all that time and expense when all you were going to do is sell them ? pretty dumb move....
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by Complex iCom on Jul 17, 2023 19:43:25 GMT 1, Here are the images of the prints before I had them flattened by Graham Bignell.
As you can see they look exactly as they should. Very wavy and rippled.
We know why they are wavy as some very knowledgable screenprinters have actually explained the process on the Forum.
As another poster said, some people love the waves, and see that as part of the process and charm, others like them flattened, some have even mounted them permanently on board.
I like them flat and Graham Bignell did a great job.
I wasnโt going to sell them, but life gets in the way when youโre making plans.
Here are the images of the prints before I had them flattened by Graham Bignell. As you can see they look exactly as they should. Very wavy and rippled. We know why they are wavy as some very knowledgable screenprinters have actually explained the process on the Forum. As another poster said, some people love the waves, and see that as part of the process and charm, others like them flattened, some have even mounted them permanently on board. I like them flat and Graham Bignell did a great job. I wasnโt going to sell them, but life gets in the way when youโre making plans.
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by bookends on Jul 17, 2023 19:54:57 GMT 1, They do look much better and never doubted they are genuine just thought it was a lot of hard work just to sell on ! GLWTS
They do look much better and never doubted they are genuine just thought it was a lot of hard work just to sell on ! GLWTS
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Banksy RAT Print, Gross Domestic Product , by inefficiency of on Jul 17, 2023 20:32:45 GMT 1, I can tell my viewing the back that these are not legit. These are fake.
Due diligence is needed when buying anything if any larger sum of money, but I think you need to question this method as holding any value in this instance.
I can tell my viewing the back that these are not legit. These are fake. Did you even read any of his post before even considering your reply and assumption? Ridiculous to use the ripples as a benchmark for authenticity with the process he has used for flattening his prints. Due diligence is needed when buying anything if any larger sum of money, but I think you need to question this method as holding any value in this instance. |
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