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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by carly on Oct 17, 2019 22:39:39 GMT 1, Thought it might be worth starting a thread where people can upload hi res images of GDP posters. It doesn’t need to be full shots but rather close up images of the finer details such as spray splatter etc. This could be a useful resource in spotting and combating fakes. We only need a few images of each print. Once each print has been documented please don’t add more, let’s keep it as condensed as possible. Anyone who thinks it would be useful and wants to get involved please feel free.
Thought it might be worth starting a thread where people can upload hi res images of GDP posters. It doesn’t need to be full shots but rather close up images of the finer details such as spray splatter etc. This could be a useful resource in spotting and combating fakes. We only need a few images of each print. Once each print has been documented please don’t add more, let’s keep it as condensed as possible. Anyone who thinks it would be useful and wants to get involved please feel free.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by Icesay on Oct 17, 2019 22:47:01 GMT 1, Thought it might be worth starting a thread where people can upload hi res images of GDP posters. It doesn’t need to be full shots but rather close up images of the finer details such as spray splatter etc. This could be a useful resource in spotting and combating fakes. We only need a few images of each print. Once each print has been documented please don’t add more, let’s keep it as condensed as possible. Anyone who thinks it would be useful and wants to get involved please feel free.
Sounds more like a way to give fakers full details! Bad idea.
Thought it might be worth starting a thread where people can upload hi res images of GDP posters. It doesn’t need to be full shots but rather close up images of the finer details such as spray splatter etc. This could be a useful resource in spotting and combating fakes. We only need a few images of each print. Once each print has been documented please don’t add more, let’s keep it as condensed as possible. Anyone who thinks it would be useful and wants to get involved please feel free. Sounds more like a way to give fakers full details! Bad idea.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by carly on Oct 17, 2019 22:53:05 GMT 1, Thought it might be worth starting a thread where people can upload hi res images of GDP posters. It doesn’t need to be full shots but rather close up images of the finer details such as spray splatter etc. This could be a useful resource in spotting and combating fakes. We only need a few images of each print. Once each print has been documented please don’t add more, let’s keep it as condensed as possible. Anyone who thinks it would be useful and wants to get involved please feel free. Sounds more like a way to give fakers full details! Bad idea. that’s why I stated not full images just close up shots of the details. And with respect I think a faker might start by getting an original to copy first. Even with the original in hand a perfect copy would be impossible i posted about this in a previous comment if your interested it might be worth a read.
Thought it might be worth starting a thread where people can upload hi res images of GDP posters. It doesn’t need to be full shots but rather close up images of the finer details such as spray splatter etc. This could be a useful resource in spotting and combating fakes. We only need a few images of each print. Once each print has been documented please don’t add more, let’s keep it as condensed as possible. Anyone who thinks it would be useful and wants to get involved please feel free. Sounds more like a way to give fakers full details! Bad idea. that’s why I stated not full images just close up shots of the details. And with respect I think a faker might start by getting an original to copy first. Even with the original in hand a perfect copy would be impossible i posted about this in a previous comment if your interested it might be worth a read.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by avec art on Oct 17, 2019 22:57:07 GMT 1, I agree, it could be a useful resource. As has been pointed out by a few people already, that although these can be copied, a 'perfect' fake is near to impossible. But in some cases it may require close inspection and a keen eye.
I agree, it could be a useful resource. As has been pointed out by a few people already, that although these can be copied, a 'perfect' fake is near to impossible. But in some cases it may require close inspection and a keen eye.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by bonesy on Oct 18, 2019 2:07:33 GMT 1, These are an awesome keepsake for peeps that received one in line but I don’t really get why someone would buy off eBay for their wall, the images aren’t really a full message. I guess Crisis more than the others but that’s the worst one IMO .02....
These are an awesome keepsake for peeps that received one in line but I don’t really get why someone would buy off eBay for their wall, the images aren’t really a full message. I guess Crisis more than the others but that’s the worst one IMO .02....
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by carly on Oct 18, 2019 2:31:37 GMT 1, These are an awesome keepsake for peeps that received one in line but I don’t really get why someone would buy off eBay for their wall, the images aren’t really a full message. I guess Crisis more than the others but that’s the worst one IMO .02.... For some people it will be thier only chance to own a banksy screenprint. The flowers are pulled from the same actual screen as the liita triptych basically registration prints. And as you say at the moment it's an incomplete image but you never know that might not always be the case.
These are an awesome keepsake for peeps that received one in line but I don’t really get why someone would buy off eBay for their wall, the images aren’t really a full message. I guess Crisis more than the others but that’s the worst one IMO .02.... For some people it will be thier only chance to own a banksy screenprint. The flowers are pulled from the same actual screen as the liita triptych basically registration prints. And as you say at the moment it's an incomplete image but you never know that might not always be the case.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by Tax and Shipping on Oct 18, 2019 7:06:09 GMT 1, Here's a few of the rats - I've taken some of the reverse which I think really gives you an idea of the paper weight - the ink application leaves a dent that almost looks like embossing debossing.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by kwatis on Oct 18, 2019 12:26:46 GMT 1, Seeing the back of the rat print, it's definitely a screenprint. What looks like a debossing effect is buckling/warping in the paper from the moisture in water-based ink. It's absorbed into the thin paper and causes expansion/contraction at the edges where printed area meets unprinted area. This is hardly noticeable on most prints on somewhat heavy stock but on thin butcher papers and stock that is lighter than the typical 80 lb stock that your desktop printer uses it becomes very noticeable. It also explains why each clock is different. Banksy smears the black printed ink of the rat to create a kind of monotype effect that becomes the grey areas of the rat on the clocks.
Seeing the back of the rat print, it's definitely a screenprint. What looks like a debossing effect is buckling/warping in the paper from the moisture in water-based ink. It's absorbed into the thin paper and causes expansion/contraction at the edges where printed area meets unprinted area. This is hardly noticeable on most prints on somewhat heavy stock but on thin butcher papers and stock that is lighter than the typical 80 lb stock that your desktop printer uses it becomes very noticeable. It also explains why each clock is different. Banksy smears the black printed ink of the rat to create a kind of monotype effect that becomes the grey areas of the rat on the clocks.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by avec art on Oct 18, 2019 12:34:38 GMT 1, nice post kwatis it's enjoyable to read when I see people have proper knowledge of screen printing. I've screen printed onto tracing paper before and it is pretty much disastrous for the reasons you pointed out.
nice post kwatis it's enjoyable to read when I see people have proper knowledge of screen printing. I've screen printed onto tracing paper before and it is pretty much disastrous for the reasons you pointed out.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by kwatis on Oct 18, 2019 12:38:44 GMT 1, nice post kwatis it's enjoyable to read when I see people have proper knowledge of screen printing. I've screen printed onto tracing paper before and it is pretty much disastrous for the reasons you pointed out. Yeah printing on tracing paper is the worst. It's really anything that has cellulose and/or super thin that buckles/warps.
nice post kwatis it's enjoyable to read when I see people have proper knowledge of screen printing. I've screen printed onto tracing paper before and it is pretty much disastrous for the reasons you pointed out. Yeah printing on tracing paper is the worst. It's really anything that has cellulose and/or super thin that buckles/warps.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by Majestic on Oct 18, 2019 12:39:55 GMT 1, I hear so many people still referring to these as posters - couldn't be further from the truth.
These are true prints from the hands of a master - cherish them!
I hear so many people still referring to these as posters - couldn't be further from the truth.
These are true prints from the hands of a master - cherish them!
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by iamzero on Oct 18, 2019 12:48:17 GMT 1, I bet the drunk woman I saw using her Flowers print as lightsaber is probably gonna regret that decision.
I bet the drunk woman I saw using her Flowers print as lightsaber is probably gonna regret that decision.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by iamzero on Oct 18, 2019 16:45:07 GMT 1, I bet the drunk woman I saw using her Flowers print as lightsaber is probably gonna regret that decision. I bet she doesnt give a fuck not everyone turns in to a quivering fool
She was definitely quivering from something.
I bet the drunk woman I saw using her Flowers print as lightsaber is probably gonna regret that decision. I bet she doesnt give a fuck not everyone turns in to a quivering fool She was definitely quivering from something.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by trap door on Oct 18, 2019 16:55:05 GMT 1, These are SCREENPRINTS of iconic images, from source, from BANKSY. Dreadful paper considering they were mostly in the hands of kids in the rain and rolled up so every dent is multiplied by 10 but I’m really surprised how these are seen as mere posters in collectors eyes. It’s clever and fun and self sabotaging, typical Banksy. Framed up these are art, just embrace the crudity of the paper! Anybody have ideas about the ‘extra’ shading in this print of mine, looks as if the rat design has been edited subtly over time.
These are SCREENPRINTS of iconic images, from source, from BANKSY. Dreadful paper considering they were mostly in the hands of kids in the rain and rolled up so every dent is multiplied by 10 but I’m really surprised how these are seen as mere posters in collectors eyes. It’s clever and fun and self sabotaging, typical Banksy. Framed up these are art, just embrace the crudity of the paper! Anybody have ideas about the ‘extra’ shading in this print of mine, looks as if the rat design has been edited subtly over time.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by sleazus1slord on Oct 18, 2019 17:07:01 GMT 1, Live in the US and haven't laid eyes on any of these but from the hi res pics they are def screen prints on paster (almost like crate paper or light gloss newsprint) paper. MBW had a ton of them floating around after his 2010 show in LA and I had a few of the signed ones. Looks exactly the same.
Live in the US and haven't laid eyes on any of these but from the hi res pics they are def screen prints on paster (almost like crate paper or light gloss newsprint) paper. MBW had a ton of them floating around after his 2010 show in LA and I had a few of the signed ones. Looks exactly the same.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by sleazus1slord on Oct 18, 2019 17:11:01 GMT 1, From the thrower description on GDP site-
"This is Banksy’s first experiment with a new technique for making prints - spray the stencil onto processing film and expose the result directly onto a silk screen. This avoids photography or computer manipulation and creates a super accurate analogue representation of gestural mark making. In other words - looks pretty dope."
Isn't a leap in logic to assume these are printed using the same process - looks pretty dope indeed
From the thrower description on GDP site-
"This is Banksy’s first experiment with a new technique for making prints - spray the stencil onto processing film and expose the result directly onto a silk screen. This avoids photography or computer manipulation and creates a super accurate analogue representation of gestural mark making. In other words - looks pretty dope."
Isn't a leap in logic to assume these are printed using the same process - looks pretty dope indeed
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by trap door on Oct 18, 2019 17:16:06 GMT 1, Having kids young finally paid off and we got the full set on Sunday. These threw me at first cos screen printed curves are blocky/pixelated if you look closely but these prints aren’t. Thanks for the quote ☝️
Having kids young finally paid off and we got the full set on Sunday. These threw me at first cos screen printed curves are blocky/pixelated if you look closely but these prints aren’t. Thanks for the quote ☝️
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 17:41:56 GMT 1, These are an awesome keepsake for peeps that received one in line but I don’t really get why someone would buy off eBay for their wall, the images aren’t really a full message. I guess Crisis more than the others but that’s the worst one IMO .02....
I bought one, really like it, collectors collect stuff, its all part of the deal
I am shit at getting stuff primary, so was cheap, bought, frame ordered, sorted
These are an awesome keepsake for peeps that received one in line but I don’t really get why someone would buy off eBay for their wall, the images aren’t really a full message. I guess Crisis more than the others but that’s the worst one IMO .02.... I bought one, really like it, collectors collect stuff, its all part of the deal I am shit at getting stuff primary, so was cheap, bought, frame ordered, sorted
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by Deleted on Oct 18, 2019 17:42:53 GMT 1, I bet the drunk woman I saw using her Flowers print as lightsaber is probably gonna regret that decision. I bet she doesnt give a fuck not everyone turns in to a quivering fool
The art of foreplay
I bet the drunk woman I saw using her Flowers print as lightsaber is probably gonna regret that decision. I bet she doesnt give a fuck not everyone turns in to a quivering fool The art of foreplay
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by kwatis on Oct 18, 2019 19:14:51 GMT 1, These are SCREENPRINTS of iconic images, from source, from BANKSY. Dreadful paper considering they were mostly in the hands of kids in the rain and rolled up so every dent is multiplied by 10 but I’m really surprised how these are seen as mere posters in collectors eyes. It’s clever and fun and self sabotaging, typical Banksy. Framed up these are art, just embrace the crudity of the paper! Anybody have ideas about the ‘extra’ shading in this print of mine, looks as if the rat design has been edited subtly over time. It looks like bleed out residual/ghosting or water/solvent residual/ghosting. Ink bleed out can come from too much ink being forced thru the screen and bleeding out on the paper. The ink then gets on the underside of the screen and transfers to each subsequent print, slowly dissipating as the ink residue decreases and/or dries out, unless it's cleaned immediately. Similarly if it's water/solvent.
These are SCREENPRINTS of iconic images, from source, from BANKSY. Dreadful paper considering they were mostly in the hands of kids in the rain and rolled up so every dent is multiplied by 10 but I’m really surprised how these are seen as mere posters in collectors eyes. It’s clever and fun and self sabotaging, typical Banksy. Framed up these are art, just embrace the crudity of the paper! Anybody have ideas about the ‘extra’ shading in this print of mine, looks as if the rat design has been edited subtly over time. It looks like bleed out residual/ghosting or water/solvent residual/ghosting. Ink bleed out can come from too much ink being forced thru the screen and bleeding out on the paper. The ink then gets on the underside of the screen and transfers to each subsequent print, slowly dissipating as the ink residue decreases and/or dries out, unless it's cleaned immediately. Similarly if it's water/solvent.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by cosmic on Oct 21, 2019 11:08:14 GMT 1, Can someone please pm me the weight of this screen print and gsm of the paper please Trying to work out if i have a fake Thanks
Can someone please pm me the weight of this screen print and gsm of the paper please Trying to work out if i have a fake Thanks
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by carly on Oct 21, 2019 11:12:32 GMT 1, Can someone please pm me the weight of this screen print and gsm of the paper please Trying to work out if i have a fake Thanks I will add some detailed images for you to cross check
Can someone please pm me the weight of this screen print and gsm of the paper please Trying to work out if i have a fake Thanks I will add some detailed images for you to cross check
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by cosmic on Oct 21, 2019 11:30:19 GMT 1, Can someone please pm me the weight of this screen print and gsm of the paper please Trying to work out if i have a fake Thanks I will add some detailed images for you to cross check I pmd you Thanks
Can someone please pm me the weight of this screen print and gsm of the paper please Trying to work out if i have a fake Thanks I will add some detailed images for you to cross check I pmd you Thanks
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 20:04:04 GMT 1, Waving (hello!) from where the thin paper was tightly rolled. i'm talking about the lines 1 mm apart in this photo not the creases it maybe just a digital photo error and not on the actual paper looks fake to me
Waving (hello!) from where the thin paper was tightly rolled. i'm talking about the lines 1 mm apart in this photo not the creases it maybe just a digital photo error and not on the actual paper looks fake to me
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by iamzero on Oct 21, 2019 20:05:54 GMT 1, Doesn’t look like the right paper for the majority of prints I’ve seen but who knows... could be a special one.
Doesn’t look like the right paper for the majority of prints I’ve seen but who knows... could be a special one.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by iamzero on Oct 21, 2019 20:09:55 GMT 1, Those images look fine. I think these prints will be hard to counterfeit and those selling for a quick profit are likely to regret it in the future.
Those images look fine. I think these prints will be hard to counterfeit and those selling for a quick profit are likely to regret it in the future.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by tab1 on Oct 21, 2019 20:40:19 GMT 1, Those images look fine. I think these prints will be hard to counterfeit and those selling for a quick profit are likely to regret it in the future. They are not banksy fans , £200-400 is still a weeks wages for some , turning up for 5 mins for a free print to gain that much they are laughing and the kids 6 months -year pocket money in an instant . two years time the mint ones will be highly sought , seen some advertised with drawing Paul Insect in !😵🙈 edit: put P I n s and Paul insect auto corrected🤔😆
Those images look fine. I think these prints will be hard to counterfeit and those selling for a quick profit are likely to regret it in the future. They are not banksy fans , £200-400 is still a weeks wages for some , turning up for 5 mins for a free print to gain that much they are laughing and the kids 6 months -year pocket money in an instant . two years time the mint ones will be highly sought , seen some advertised with drawing Paul Insect in !😵🙈 edit: put P I n s and Paul insect auto corrected🤔😆
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by iamzero on Oct 21, 2019 20:48:26 GMT 1, I completely agree dude and am not judging anyone for selling and would do exactly the same if I needed to pay a bill but I still think anyone selling will look back and wished they hadn’t. Selling an unsigned Banksy screenprint edition for £200... are you nuts! I am however selling a Unsigned Rude Farmer to pay a slightly damp flat roof bill... I’ll create a thread for it.
I completely agree dude and am not judging anyone for selling and would do exactly the same if I needed to pay a bill but I still think anyone selling will look back and wished they hadn’t. Selling an unsigned Banksy screenprint edition for £200... are you nuts! I am however selling a Unsigned Rude Farmer to pay a slightly damp flat roof bill... I’ll create a thread for it.
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Banksy Rat, Flower Thrower, Crisis hi res images, by Deleted on Oct 21, 2019 20:50:54 GMT 1, I completely agree dude and am not judging anyone for selling and would do exactly the same if I needed to pay a bill but I still think anyone selling will look back and wished they hadn’t. Selling an unsigned Banksy screenprint edition for £200... are you nuts! I am however selling a Unsigned Rude Farmer to pay a slightly damp flat roof bill... I’ll create a thread for it. agree with you here deano. Be worth a few Bob in a few years time them rats and flowers from GDP.
I completely agree dude and am not judging anyone for selling and would do exactly the same if I needed to pay a bill but I still think anyone selling will look back and wished they hadn’t. Selling an unsigned Banksy screenprint edition for £200... are you nuts! I am however selling a Unsigned Rude Farmer to pay a slightly damp flat roof bill... I’ll create a thread for it. agree with you here deano. Be worth a few Bob in a few years time them rats and flowers from GDP.
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