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Pejac • H2O Print, by benjamayn on Dec 5, 2019 18:55:27 GMT 1, I just made the donation to get the postcard, it will look good framed.
I just made the donation to get the postcard, it will look good framed.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by eye like on Dec 5, 2019 19:01:11 GMT 1, Love the image. Back on form after Yin-Yang.
I also like the fact the COA is only issued 6 months later, and its one entry per person unlike Forest.
Love the image. Back on form after Yin-Yang.
I also like the fact the COA is only issued 6 months later, and its one entry per person unlike Forest.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 19:07:18 GMT 1, Not really the same thing, is it? You can't be alive in the 21st century and have zero environmental impact. But if your whole ethos is that the planet is in trouble and all your art carries that message, there is kind of a responsibility not to add to that. Would fewer people enter without the postcard? There are legalities to running a "lottery". In this case there is no technical lottery, everyone is purchasing a product. They are then choosing from the purchase list to buy the edition. If there was no "purchase to enter" than everyone and their grandma will enter with multiple accounts, encourage flipping etc. This is smart - and its for charity.
I still think his methodology is hypocritical, but I'm not judging anyone for entering his lottery. My criticism is of him for not practicing what he preaches.
Not really the same thing, is it? You can't be alive in the 21st century and have zero environmental impact. But if your whole ethos is that the planet is in trouble and all your art carries that message, there is kind of a responsibility not to add to that. Would fewer people enter without the postcard? There are legalities to running a "lottery". In this case there is no technical lottery, everyone is purchasing a product. They are then choosing from the purchase list to buy the edition. If there was no "purchase to enter" than everyone and their grandma will enter with multiple accounts, encourage flipping etc. This is smart - and its for charity. I can't pretend to have any knowledge of lottery or raffle laws in Spain, but lotteries for art happen (GDP just did one) and he does expressly call this a lottery on his website. I still think his methodology is hypocritical, but I'm not judging anyone for entering his lottery. My criticism is of him for not practicing what he preaches. |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Inknart on Dec 5, 2019 19:26:05 GMT 1, There are legalities to running a "lottery". In this case there is no technical lottery, everyone is purchasing a product. They are then choosing from the purchase list to buy the edition. If there was no "purchase to enter" than everyone and their grandma will enter with multiple accounts, encourage flipping etc. This is smart - and its for charity. I can't pretend to have any knowledge of lottery or raffle laws in Spain, but lotteries for art happen (GDP just did one) and he does expressly call this a lottery on his website. I still think his methodology is hypocritical, but I'm not judging anyone for entering his lottery. My criticism is of him for not practicing what he preaches. bio degradable wooden shipping crates...
Pejac seems like someone who found a niche with his artistic direction, but does he really actually care about the environment if he cannot be arsed with trying to find a way to stop wasting what his art dictates
Will add that i do like how on the open edition and this he adds a little HF/Stamp. Maybe less of the containers go to landfills.
Maybe they're made of recycled products? But doubtful.
There are legalities to running a "lottery". In this case there is no technical lottery, everyone is purchasing a product. They are then choosing from the purchase list to buy the edition. If there was no "purchase to enter" than everyone and their grandma will enter with multiple accounts, encourage flipping etc. This is smart - and its for charity. I can't pretend to have any knowledge of lottery or raffle laws in Spain, but lotteries for art happen (GDP just did one) and he does expressly call this a lottery on his website. I still think his methodology is hypocritical, but I'm not judging anyone for entering his lottery. My criticism is of him for not practicing what he preaches. I like his giant bio degradable wooden shipping crates... Pejac seems like someone who found a niche with his artistic direction, but does he really actually care about the environment if he cannot be arsed with trying to find a way to stop wasting what his art dictates Will add that i do like how on the open edition and this he adds a little HF/Stamp. Maybe less of the containers go to landfills. Maybe they're made of recycled products? But doubtful. |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by pgm on Dec 5, 2019 19:26:35 GMT 1, It's a lovely print and as always a strong message. (Plus as someone already wrote, I can't resist astronauts). Expensive but beautiful
It's a lovely print and as always a strong message. (Plus as someone already wrote, I can't resist astronauts). Expensive but beautiful
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Winks on Dec 5, 2019 19:36:07 GMT 1, Has he ever painted anything that is not miserable.
Smacks of arrogance to me, expecting people to cough up €20 to charity when he trousers €140,000.
Has he ever painted anything that is not miserable.
Smacks of arrogance to me, expecting people to cough up €20 to charity when he trousers €140,000.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Lroy on Dec 5, 2019 19:38:31 GMT 1, H2O Run of 100 copies 97 x 69 cm (38,2 x 27,17 inch) 2 colors hand-pulled photopolymer with pencil hand-finishing Hahnemühle white 300gr Signed and numbered by the artist COA (to be issued 6 months after the purchase) Packed in custom made wooden crate 1.400€ (Shipping and taxes not included) THIS LIMITED EDITION IS AVAILABLE VIA LOTTERY SYSTEM WHICH IS ACTIVE STARTING NOW, UNTIL 6 PM (CET) OF DECEMBER 6TH EXCLUSIVELY VIA PEJAC.ES ![]()  sube foto
Funny how is times.. I remember paying 300 euros via my phone at the swimming pool, for my Pejac -this is still one of the best - ... it was easy to grab it ;-) : thanks Pejac for this great opportunity ! I would never can afford one by now !
H2O Run of 100 copies 97 x 69 cm (38,2 x 27,17 inch) 2 colors hand-pulled photopolymer with pencil hand-finishing Hahnemühle white 300gr Signed and numbered by the artist COA (to be issued 6 months after the purchase) Packed in custom made wooden crate 1.400€ (Shipping and taxes not included) THIS LIMITED EDITION IS AVAILABLE VIA LOTTERY SYSTEM WHICH IS ACTIVE STARTING NOW, UNTIL 6 PM (CET) OF DECEMBER 6TH EXCLUSIVELY VIA PEJAC.ES ![]() sube fotoFunny how is times.. I remember paying 300 euros via my phone at the swimming pool, for my Pejac -this is still one of the best - ... it was easy to grab it ;-) : thanks Pejac for this great opportunity ! I would never can afford one by now ! |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by .dappy on Dec 5, 2019 19:38:59 GMT 1, Having to pay for the lottery is a good way to discourage people from gaming it and entering a ton of times too. It's a good way to game everyone who enters because you know the whole run is not available. You do not know what the actual odds are. How many are for sale? 50? If that? You're pissing your money away. If you want to donate €20 just donate it.
... this ...
Having to pay for the lottery is a good way to discourage people from gaming it and entering a ton of times too. It's a good way to game everyone who enters because you know the whole run is not available. You do not know what the actual odds are. How many are for sale? 50? If that? You're pissing your money away. If you want to donate €20 just donate it. ... this ... |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by beicoblack on Dec 5, 2019 19:48:00 GMT 1, Nice! I just bought a 30 EUR postcard.
Nice! I just bought a 30 EUR postcard.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Inknart on Dec 5, 2019 19:50:21 GMT 1, It's a good way to game everyone who enters because you know the whole run is not available. You do not know what the actual odds are. How many are for sale? 50? If that? You're pissing your money away. If you want to donate €20 just donate it. ... this ...
It would be atrocious to advertise it as an edition of 100 and only sell 50 , while deceiving the general public and having them spend money to enter, charity contribution or not.
It should be 100% legitimate in this instance. If it's just a free lottery where GP sells only 30% fine, but holding back prints for VIP's ect and asking this of the general population would be unacceptable.
It's a good way to game everyone who enters because you know the whole run is not available. You do not know what the actual odds are. How many are for sale? 50? If that? You're pissing your money away. If you want to donate €20 just donate it. ... this ... It would be atrocious to advertise it as an edition of 100 and only sell 50 , while deceiving the general public and having them spend money to enter, charity contribution or not. It should be 100% legitimate in this instance. If it's just a free lottery where GP sells only 30% fine, but holding back prints for VIP's ect and asking this of the general population would be unacceptable. |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Deleted on Dec 5, 2019 19:51:27 GMT 1, Has he ever painted anything that is not miserable. Smacks of arrogance to me, expecting people to cough up €20 to charity when he trousers €140,000.
Has he ever painted anything that is not miserable. Smacks of arrogance to me, expecting people to cough up €20 to charity when he trousers €140,000. Plus whatever's left from the €10 postage charge (actual postage cost about half that). |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by hellfo on Dec 5, 2019 19:54:04 GMT 1, It seems to me very expensive. With that price I could buy, i.e., a Murakami, more or less. I don't think pejac is so much closer in terms of quality and impact as other artist with similar prices.
It seems to me very expensive. With that price I could buy, i.e., a Murakami, more or less. I don't think pejac is so much closer in terms of quality and impact as other artist with similar prices.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by elberto77 on Dec 5, 2019 20:03:11 GMT 1, You get a miniprint for your donation to charity of an image you must like or you wouldn’t buy a ticket. Don’t see anything wrong with that. Is it a lottery? Probably not for most of the edition but prefer this, even if I don’t get one, to losing out to bots and finding half the edition on ebay the next day at 4 times the price. For me they could even make it 2 years for the COA to discourage flipping even more.
You get a miniprint for your donation to charity of an image you must like or you wouldn’t buy a ticket. Don’t see anything wrong with that. Is it a lottery? Probably not for most of the edition but prefer this, even if I don’t get one, to losing out to bots and finding half the edition on ebay the next day at 4 times the price. For me they could even make it 2 years for the COA to discourage flipping even more.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by case on Dec 5, 2019 20:06:37 GMT 1, Isn't this an old image? It looks very familiar. Hasn't this been around for years?
It's from the Paris show?
Isn't this an old image? It looks very familiar. Hasn't this been around for years? It's from the Paris show? |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by love on Dec 5, 2019 20:08:52 GMT 1, Finally, slow motion and pianos are back! Buy buy buy
Finally, slow motion and pianos are back! Buy buy buy
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Pejac • H2O Print, by case on Dec 5, 2019 20:10:07 GMT 1, Finally haters are back. Bye, bye, bye.
Finally haters are back. Bye, bye, bye.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Jeezuz Jones Snr on Dec 5, 2019 20:14:08 GMT 1, I do like it but not that’s a lot of money. Rather keep the money for a nice original 👍
I do like it but not that’s a lot of money. Rather keep the money for a nice original 👍
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Pejac • H2O Print, by gd79 on Dec 5, 2019 20:14:11 GMT 1, What does he mean with taxes? Is it vat included?
That was my read
So 1400
+ VAT of 280
+ Shipping of let's say 120
1700
What does he mean with taxes? Is it vat included? That was my read So 1400 + VAT of 280 + Shipping of let's say 120 1700 |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by duggyfresh on Dec 5, 2019 20:16:52 GMT 1, Its a really nice print but its expensive, so I will be happy with a postcard to hang with my aforest one
Its a really nice print but its expensive, so I will be happy with a postcard to hang with my aforest one
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Punk Hammer 66 on Dec 5, 2019 20:18:06 GMT 1, You get a miniprint for your donation to charity of an image you must like or you wouldn’t buy a ticket. Don’t see anything wrong with that. Is it a lottery? Probably not for most of the edition but prefer this, even if I don’t get one, to losing out to bots and finding half the edition on ebay the next day at 4 times the price. For me they could even make it 2 years for the COA to discourage flipping even more.
Couldn’t agree more
Flippers will have to sit tight for 6months for once it’s them that won’t like it
You get a miniprint for your donation to charity of an image you must like or you wouldn’t buy a ticket. Don’t see anything wrong with that. Is it a lottery? Probably not for most of the edition but prefer this, even if I don’t get one, to losing out to bots and finding half the edition on ebay the next day at 4 times the price. For me they could even make it 2 years for the COA to discourage flipping even more. Couldn’t agree more Flippers will have to sit tight for 6months for once it’s them that won’t like it |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by Cool User Name on Dec 5, 2019 20:31:40 GMT 1, I like it and if picked in the lottery will buy it but would prefer it was a bit cheaper without the fancy box
I like it and if picked in the lottery will buy it but would prefer it was a bit cheaper without the fancy box
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Pejac • H2O Print, by settingson on Dec 5, 2019 20:33:23 GMT 1, Can't justify the expenditure on the full print even if I won but I like the image so I'm happy to enter and get the postcard. Actually I think if I were to spend on a full sized Pejac then this would be one of my first choices, think it's a well executed print. All down to personal taste though.
Can't justify the expenditure on the full print even if I won but I like the image so I'm happy to enter and get the postcard. Actually I think if I were to spend on a full sized Pejac then this would be one of my first choices, think it's a well executed print. All down to personal taste though.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by sfnyc on Dec 5, 2019 21:02:01 GMT 1, Was about to cart a ticket, but then realized they charge VAT to US buyers - wtf? This is more disrespect, incompetence or simply fraudulent behavior as they are asking non EU customers to pay a tax that they will not have to pay.
Also, don't lotteries have to follow certain legal requirements in Europe? He s opening himself to a lawsuit from disgruntled non winners for sure. Good job Max, nice management...
Again, sale execution nowhere near in par with the artistic execution
Was about to cart a ticket, but then realized they charge VAT to US buyers - wtf? This is more disrespect, incompetence or simply fraudulent behavior as they are asking non EU customers to pay a tax that they will not have to pay.
Also, don't lotteries have to follow certain legal requirements in Europe? He s opening himself to a lawsuit from disgruntled non winners for sure. Good job Max, nice management...
Again, sale execution nowhere near in par with the artistic execution
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Pejac • H2O Print, by GMA on Dec 5, 2019 21:13:35 GMT 1, Love this image, have been hoping he would release this as an edition. High price tag though, will have to see how it goes and decide at the time, if I get an opportunity. But entered at least to help with the charity and for the mini print.
Love this image, have been hoping he would release this as an edition. High price tag though, will have to see how it goes and decide at the time, if I get an opportunity. But entered at least to help with the charity and for the mini print.
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Pejac • H2O Print, by qest on Dec 5, 2019 21:14:25 GMT 1, Was about to cart a ticket, but then realized they charge VAT to US buyers - wtf? This is more disrespect, incompetence or simply fraudulent behavior as they are asking non EU customers to pay a tax that they will not have to pay. Also, don't lotteries have to follow certain legal requirements in Europe? He s opening himself to a lawsuit from disgruntled non winners for sure. Good job Max, nice management... Again, sale execution nowhere near in par with the artistic execution
 If you cart the ticket and enter your US address, the VAT will disappear.
Was about to cart a ticket, but then realized they charge VAT to US buyers - wtf? This is more disrespect, incompetence or simply fraudulent behavior as they are asking non EU customers to pay a tax that they will not have to pay. Also, don't lotteries have to follow certain legal requirements in Europe? He s opening himself to a lawsuit from disgruntled non winners for sure. Good job Max, nice management... Again, sale execution nowhere near in par with the artistic execution If you cart the ticket and enter your US address, the VAT will disappear. |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by hellfo on Dec 5, 2019 21:21:40 GMT 1, What does he mean with taxes? Is it vat included? That was my read So 1400 + VAT of 280 + Shipping of let's say 120 1700
1800.
ok, thank you for the explanation. I'm going to grab the postcard, but the print is too much for me.
What does he mean with taxes? Is it vat included? That was my read So 1400 + VAT of 280 + Shipping of let's say 120 1700 1800. ok, thank you for the explanation. I'm going to grab the postcard, but the print is too much for me. |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by thos on Dec 5, 2019 21:22:12 GMT 1, Was about to cart a ticket, but then realized they charge VAT to US buyers - wtf? This is more disrespect, incompetence or simply fraudulent behavior as they are asking non EU customers to pay a tax that they will not have to pay. Also, don't lotteries have to follow certain legal requirements in Europe? He s opening himself to a lawsuit from disgruntled non winners for sure. Good job Max, nice management... Again, sale execution nowhere near in par with the artistic execution If you cart the ticket and enter your US address, the VAT will disappear.
Grand total incl shipping and handling to the US = €33.25
Was about to cart a ticket, but then realized they charge VAT to US buyers - wtf? This is more disrespect, incompetence or simply fraudulent behavior as they are asking non EU customers to pay a tax that they will not have to pay. Also, don't lotteries have to follow certain legal requirements in Europe? He s opening himself to a lawsuit from disgruntled non winners for sure. Good job Max, nice management... Again, sale execution nowhere near in par with the artistic execution If you cart the ticket and enter your US address, the VAT will disappear. Yup. I didn't even realize it until now (after having already made my purchase). Grand total incl shipping and handling to the US = €33.25 |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by beicoblack on Dec 5, 2019 21:35:46 GMT 1, If you cart the ticket and enter your US address, the VAT will disappear. Yup. I didn't even realize it until now (after having already made my purchase). Grand total incl shipping and handling to the US = €33.25
If you cart the ticket and enter your US address, the VAT will disappear. Yup. I didn't even realize it until now (after having already made my purchase). Grand total incl shipping and handling to the US = €33.25 No VAT for me. Based in Switzerland, also non EU. |
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Pejac • H2O Print, by sfnyc on Dec 5, 2019 21:39:07 GMT 1, Cool thanks for the VAT update
Cool thanks for the VAT update
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Pejac • H2O Print, by gd79 on Dec 5, 2019 22:00:18 GMT 1, That was my read So 1400 + VAT of 280 + Shipping of let's say 120 1700 1800. ok, thank you for the explanation. I'm going to grab the postcard, but the print is too much for me.
Bugger me. I do maths for a living. Weak.
That was my read So 1400 + VAT of 280 + Shipping of let's say 120 1700 1800. ok, thank you for the explanation. I'm going to grab the postcard, but the print is too much for me. Bugger me. I do maths for a living. Weak. |
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If you cart the ticket and enter your US address, the VAT will disappear.
